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    Authoritarians

    This seems to be a subject of interest. Let's look in to it a little.

    Google reveals the following:

    au·thor·i·tar·i·an
    /əˌTHôrəˈterēən/

    adjective
    1. favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
      "the transition from an authoritarian to a democratic regime"
    2. Similar:
      autocratic
      dictatorial
      totalitarian
      despotic
      tyrannical
      autarchic
      draconian
      absolute
      arbitrary
      oppressive
      repressive
      illiberal
      undemocratic
      antidemocratic
      disciplinarian
      domineering
      doctrinaire
      dogmatic
      overweening
      overbearing
      high-handed
      bossy
      peremptory
      imperious
      harsh
      strict
      severe
      rigid
      inflexible
      unyielding
      Opposite:
      democratic
      liberal
      lenient
      permissive
      (hmmmm...)
    3. noun
    4. an authoritarian person.
    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______

    Soooo, these authoritarians everybody is talking about seem to be in favour of strict obedience to "authorities". They apparently are not liberal or democratic. I don't know, which authorities might they want to be obedient to? Police? Military? Government? Anyone? Bueller?

    #2
    Definition one fits what Donald Trump and the domestic terrorists who attacked our capitol were trying to do on 1-6, create a transition from democracy towards authoritarianism by force of arms. The House select committee is establishing very clearly that Trump and his inner circle were aware that they lost the election when the coup was attempted, and that there was a sedicious conspiracy among some of the participants, who painstakingly prepared a plan of attack and were not simply attacking on the spur of the moment. There was no true misunderstanding about who won, or what was being attempted on that awful day.

    When we get to the second definition, we see the word autocratic offered as a bit of a synonym, which also fits Mr. Trump, who would often openly muse about wishing he had the power autocrats like Xi and Kim have, and who had a syncophantic relationship with Vladimir Putin, who is broadly acknowledged as as autocratic.

    I don't agree with the characterization of the definition as necessarily being plural. Many authoritarian regimes are built around a single leader. Some would say that a singular emphasis on loyalty to one individual over concepts like democracy and the rule of law is itself an authoritarian tendency, which again takes us to Mr. Trump.

    In fact, we see the Republican Party abandoning previously held values to support Mr. Trump and his faction's vision, going so far as to be the first major party in modern American history not to have a formal party platform in a Presidential election year, instead saying they agreed with whatever Trump said.

    It's a scary trend, and it goes beyond Trump, unfortunately. There are a lot of would-be Trumps like Ron DeSantis waiting in the wings.

    Authoritarian thinking can also be categorized as involving substituting propagandistic unreality or "alternative facts", as one Trump administration official proudly referred to her reality-challenged narrative on a particular issue, for objective reality.

    Trumpism presents a huge challenge to our democracy, our freedom, and the rule of law.
    Last edited by downbyariver; 06-11-2022, 11:42 AM.
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      #3
      These are just trigger words to a lot like, "Marxist", "Socialist", "Communist" these are the remnants of McCarthyism when every opponent was a communist spy. Then "leftist", "liberal" for anybody not giving up their freedom for being ruled by the church. And we get to "being free" which must mean that you can't feel safe anywhere in the country, can't be yourself, should be bullied if not being cast 100% by the required mold, you don't have autonomy of your body, and get fined/fired for saying anything they don't like.

      Everyone should learn these new meanings to these words.

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        #4
        Originally posted by downbyariver View Post
        Definition one fits what Donald Trump and the domestic terrorists who attacked our capitol were trying to do on 1-6, create a transition from democracy towards authoritarianism by force of arms. The House select committee is establishing very clearly that Trump and his inner circle were aware that they lost the election when the coup was attempted, and that there was a sedicious conspiracy among some of the participants, who painstakingly prepared a plan of attack and were not simply attacking on the spur of the moment. There was no true misunderstanding about who won, or what was being attempted on that awful day.

        When we get to the second definition, we see the word autocratic offered as a bit of a synonym, which also fits Mr. Trump, who would often openly muse about wishing he had the power autocrats like Xi and Kim have, and who had a syncophantic relationship with Vladimir Putin, who is broadly acknowledged as as autocratic.

        I don't agree with the characterization of the definition as necessarily being plural. Many authoritarian regimes are built around a single leader. Some would say that a singular emphasis on loyalty to one individual over concepts like democracy and the rule of law is itself an authoritarian tendency, which again takes us to Mr. Trump.

        In fact, we see the Republican Party abandoning previously held values to support Mr. Trump and his faction's vision, going so far as to be the first major party in modern American history not to have a formal party platform in a Presidential election year, instead saying they agreed with whatever Trump said.

        It's a scary trend, and it goes beyond Trump, unfortunately. There are a lot of would-be Trumps like Ron DeSantis waiting in the wings.

        Authoritiarian thinking can also be categorized as involving substituting objective reality for propogandistic unreality or "alternative facts", as one Trump administration official proudly referred to her reality-challenged narrative on a particular issue.

        Trumpism presents a huge challenge to our democracy, our freedom, and the rule of law.
        DeSantis bad you say? I guess that is why people are fleeing the liberal high taxed sewers like California and New York in the thousands every month for Florida.

        DeSantis is the best Governor in the nation.

        The House Select Committee is made up of the same lying sociopaths who made up the Russian hoax story. These clowns have no credibility and half the nation do not even pay attention to anything they say.

        The Democratic Party has weaponized the FBI and judicial system. Look at what the FBI did with Trump's trade Advisor Navarro. They arrest him at an airport and put him in handcuffs and leg irons for a misdemeanor charge for a show for the media when all they had to do was call his lawyer and he would show up at the station to be booked for not abiding by the corrupt sociopaths subpoena.

        The Democratic Party is a threat to the nation and the Republic
        .
        Last edited by alex peters; 06-12-2022, 05:21 AM.

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          #5
          I say to the Authoratarians stop censorship. Nothing other than curse words and a threat of violence should be censored.

          Allow free speech. Who is Twitter or Facebook to determine what is true and not true.

          Let people decide for themselves what the truth is. Authoratarians attempt to suppress free speech and in return they work at conforming the masses to their way of thinking.

          That is Marxism

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            #6
            "Let people decide for themselves what the truth is. Authoratarians attempt to suppress free speech and in return they work at conforming the masses to their way of thinking.

            That is Marxism"

            That is not Marxism, it is Stalinism, and is where the likes of Trump and Boris Johnson are trying to take the US and UK. Marxism is about giving the means of production etc to the workers, not bosses who cream off the profits for themselves

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              #7
              DeSantis' freedom of speech is fining/firing teachers if they tell they have or they are seen with a same sex partner. Also banning math text books. Also, also burning books.

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                #8
                Originally posted by alex peters View Post
                I say to the Authoratarians stop censorship. Nothing other than curse words and a threat of violence should be censored.

                Allow free speech. Who is Twitter or Facebook to determine what is true and not true.

                Let people decide for themselves what the truth is. Authoratarians attempt to suppress free speech and in return they work at conforming the masses to their way of thinking.

                That is Marxism
                So, again, who are the authoritarians and how are they favouring strict obedience to authority? And how is the authority an undemocratic dictatorship? Can you answer those questions, Mr. Peters? Also, DBAR never said DeSantis was bad. You interjected that.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by pjt View Post
                  DeSantis' freedom of speech is fining/firing teachers if they tell they have or they are seen with a same sex partner. Also banning math text books. Also, also burning books.
                  Yes. DeSantis does not want your critical race theory BS in school textbooks and the majority of parents don't want that crap taught to their children.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by cjreyes View Post

                    So, again, who are the authoritarians and how are they favouring strict obedience to authority? And how is the authority an undemocratic dictatorship? Can you answer those questions, Mr. Peters? Also, DBAR never said DeSantis was bad. You interjected that.
                    True DBAR never said those words but he has been critical of Trump and referenced him as bad in past posts and saying DeSantis is another Trump is well what it is.
                    Last edited by alex peters; 06-11-2022, 10:06 AM.

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                      #11
                      Koolaid drinking causes ignorance.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by alex peters View Post

                        Yes. DeSantis does not want your critical race theory BS in school textbooks and the majority of parents don't want that crap taught to their children.
                        You are lying again. The question is are you lying because you're a fanatic, or you're lying because you're actually a rational being and zhis is just your job?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by pjt View Post

                          You are lying again. The question is are you lying because you're a fanatic, or you're lying because you're actually a rational being and zhis is just your job?
                          The post of mine you referenced is true and a fact. The majority of parents do not want any CRT taught in school and DeSantis as Governor took action to eliminate that crap.

                          I am not lying. A lie in your mind is a factual statement that you do not want to believe.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by cjreyes View Post
                            Koolaid drinking causes ignorance.
                            Yes. Biden is either ignorant or demented or both

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by alex peters View Post

                              The post of mine you referenced is true and a fact. The majority of parents do not want any CRT taught in school and DeSantis as Governor took action to eliminate that crap.

                              I am not lying. A lie in your mind is a factual statement that you do not want to believe.
                              Once again, you are lying, and spreading your bullshit here as if it was your holy quest. So are you a poor impressionable simpleton, or a real garbage person who does this intentionally?

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