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  • kkleinschmidt
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    Around the time of the winter solstice in this part of the world the sun would not rise until after 9 AM if we stick with permanent DST which is why folks back in '74 were not happy about it as others have mentioned. My vote would be to stick with standard time or move time zones where it makes sense (Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, parts of Kentucky in my area). Actually they have been talking about switching to Central Time for many years in Indiana so this might make it happen.

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  • Esthe
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    Originally posted by downbyariver View Post

    I don't know about that, but I've heard that there's a man in it:

    Why?

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  • Imperatrix
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    I’d rather have permanent standard time than permanent DST (I absolutely abhor late sunsets), but I’ll take what I can get just as long as the knob-fiddling ends, so to speak.

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  • Old Frothingslosh
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    They tried this back in 74 and reversed due mainly to kids going to school in dark.

    In October 1974, President Gerald Ford signed legislation reversing permanent daylight saving time. Though approval of the initiative had increased during the long summer days, the prospect of another long, dark—and potentially deadly—winter led lawmakers to end the planned two-year experiment early.

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  • pianozach
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    Originally posted by downbyariver View Post
    I'm in the year round standard time camp, personally.

    Article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ings-permanent

    Excerpt:

    ". . . morning light is really healthy for the body and helps synchronize biological rhythms . . ."
    I get the logic, but I don't really agree. People all over the world have natural circadian rhythms, and the morning light is still there.

    Plenty of folks still get up a 6AM to get to work at 7. Our school is moving it's start time from 7 to 7:30 next semester.

    For many folks all that "morning light" is wasted as they don't have to start work until 9 or10 . . . they sleep through that morning light.

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  • downbyariver
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    Originally posted by Gilly Goodness View Post

    Next you're gonna tell me the moon is not made from cheese? 😂
    I don't know about that, but I've heard that there's a man in it:

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  • downbyariver
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    I'm in the year round standard time camp, personally.

    Article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ings-permanent

    Excerpt:

    The American Academy of Sleep Medicine (AASM) released a statement in response to the Senate’s move, hailing the end of clock-changing but arguing that it should be standard time, not daylight time, that is made permanent. The organization cited an earlier position statement pointing out that “daylight saving time is less aligned with human circadian biology” than standard time.

    “Permanent, year-round standard time is the best choice to most closely match our circadian sleep-wake cycle,” said the statement’s lead author, Dr M Adeel Rishi, in an accompanying release. Tinkering with our bodies’ natural rhythms could lead to “increased cardiovascular disease risk, metabolic syndrome and other health risks”, the AASM said.

    “The reason it’s called standard time is because when they came up with these time zones, they did their best to pick the time when the sun was immediately overhead at noon,” said Dr Beth Ann Malow, a neurologist and sleep expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center who recently testified before House legislators on the issue. “So the idea is that it’s most aligned with getting light when we should get light biologically.”

    Malow agrees that we should eliminate the twice-yearly changing of the clocks, which she says is associated with medical risks including heart attack and stroke. But of course, by moving the clocks forward, we’re not actually “protecting the sunshine” as the bill claims. We’re just moving it later in the day, meaning more trudging to work or school in the wintry dark.

    [...]Sleep experts are “big believers in the idea that morning light is really healthy for the body and helps synchronize biological rhythms,” Malow says. “I worry that going to permanent daylight, which is what the Senate just voted to do, is going to hurt a lot of people who really need that morning light.”

    And contrary to what I’d thought, that includes night owls like me. With the world conspiring to make us operate on a schedule tailored to earlier risers, those who have what’s known as delayed sleep phases – which are all the rage among teenagers – need the morning light to help them. “When I’ve taken care of people with delayed sleep phase, let’s say high school students, and they have to be in school at a certain time, I make sure that they get that light in the morning. We get them light boxes if they need, just to try to get them awake,” Malow says.

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  • Gilly Goodness
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    Originally posted by pianozach View Post

    There is no "extra" sunshine. They merely stole the daylight from the morning and gave it to the evening. Same amount of sunshine per day whether or not it's DST or Standard Time
    Next you're gonna tell me the moon is not made from cheese? 😂

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  • Esthe
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    Originally posted by pianozach View Post

    I hope you're joking.

    There is no "extra" sunshine. They merely stole the daylight from the morning and gave it to the evening. Same amount of sunshine per day whether or not it's DST or Standard Time
    I wonder how much money they’re paying the morning to not file a lawsuit.

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  • pianozach
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    Originally posted by Gilly Goodness View Post
    I just don't like the extra sunshine.

    It fades the curtains! 🙄
    I hope you're joking.

    There is no "extra" sunshine. They merely stole the daylight from the morning and gave it to the evening. Same amount of sunshine per day whether or not it's DST or Standard Time

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  • Imperatrix
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    Many people have no idea what this clock-switching does to someone with horrific sleep disorders and chronic illnesses. Poor G always has a terrible time with the forward/back bit.

    Ditch it, I say—and good riddance.

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  • Gtkgasman
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    Regardless of what the clocks say I would guess that the amount of daylight has been pretty consistent through time....😉

    working pretty much 6am - 6pm min for 23 years. and being on call 24/7/365 for 12 straight years .....every day was the same before getting to leave the race...

    So joking, and not joking, aside, I have no perspective. Except that i change my smoke alarm batteries on the clock changes.👍😁
    Last edited by Gtkgasman; 03-17-2022, 06:08 AM.

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  • luna65
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    If it goes into effect, we'll have Daylight Savings Time forever. Personally I prefer that.

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  • Soundwaveseeker
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    Never been a fan of daylight savings time. Who cares if there's an extra hour of sunlight/moonlight or not. Let time/sun/moon do what it does. Night is cozier anyway. Yeah, bring it on.

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  • Gilly Goodness
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    I just don't like the extra sunshine.

    It fades the curtains! 🙄

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