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  • Gtkgasman
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    Originally posted by Yorkshire Square View Post
    Statins? ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
    Itโ€™s Americans ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ

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  • Gtkgasman
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    Originally posted by downbyariver View Post

    I'm aware that Canada is a country on the North American continent, yes.

    However, people from the United States use "Americans" as a shorthand for identifying people of their nationality or citizenship, the way people from France call themselves "French". There is no other word in the English language that can be used as an alternative, like "Unitedstatesian" (Which I just made up seconds ago for illustrative purposes).

    So, collaqually, it would be rare for people from the United States to refer to Canadians as Americans, because then we'd have no word to refer to ourselves with.

    I can't say that I've conducted an extensive survey of what Canadians refer to themselves as, but I would imagine it is "Canadians", if only to distinguish themselves from the more populous country to their south that there is always some worry may swallow them up culturally, and for the sake of clarity when dealing with people from the United States or abroad who they don't want to assume that they are from the US.

    I would say in those instances where one wants to be inclusive of both Canadians and citizens of the United States, along with Mexico, one would say "North Americans" rather than just "Americans", again for clarity.

    I think you're technically right, but common usage, at least where I come from, is different. It would be interesting to see a poll of British or EU folks and whether they mean to include Canadians when they say Americans or not.
    Donโ€™t waste your breath on that Bozo.

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  • Yorkshire Square
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    Statins? ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†

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  • Soundwaveseeker
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    'United States Of America' is simply a collection of states within the American continents united as one country. The term 'American' stems from colonial times and used to differentiate between those from the Old world and those born in or who had moved to the New world. After independence, we stuck with 'Americans' as what we call ourselves. Too late to come up with something else, eh. There is no other word to refer to ourselves as. So in the US we call Canadians Canadians, Mexicans are Mexicans and people from in between those two countries as Americans, even though it's all within the Americas. The whole western hemisphere is The Americas, but were the one country within it that just goes by 'United States of' - kind of like a football team named after their city as opposed to having a name like The Eagles or something.

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  • downbyariver
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    Originally posted by Yorkshire Square View Post
    You do know that Canada is a country in America, no?
    I'm aware that Canada is a country on the North American continent, yes.

    However, people from the United States use "Americans" as a shorthand for identifying people of their nationality or citizenship, the way people from France call themselves "French". There is no other word in the English language that can be used as an alternative, like "Unitedstatesian" (Which I just made up seconds ago for illustrative purposes).

    So, collaqually, it would be rare for people from the United States to refer to Canadians as Americans, because then we'd have no word to refer to ourselves with.

    I can't say that I've conducted an extensive survey of what Canadians refer to themselves as, but I would imagine it is "Canadians", if only to distinguish themselves from the more populous country to their south that there is always some worry may swallow them up culturally, and for the sake of clarity when dealing with people from the United States or abroad who they don't want to assume that they are from the US.

    I would say in those instances where one wants to be inclusive of both Canadians and citizens of the United States, along with Mexico, one would say "North Americans" rather than just "Americans", again for clarity.

    I think you're technically right, but common usage, at least where I come from, is different. It would be interesting to see a poll of British or EU folks and whether they mean to include Canadians when they say Americans or not.

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  • Soundwaveseeker
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    Not aware of a version of Wildest Dreams with a supposedly different version of the title track tacked on at the end. I have a copy of the original 1987 version on Atlantic records (their only album for the label) with 8 tracks. Maybe they meant to put on a live version or something and someone effed up and put the regular version there again. Or maybe there never was meant to be a track 9, is it listed? I'll have to look into that.

    I voted Styx for the same reason, though Saga is high on my list. No, probably not A1 first tier, just a couple of groups I like and have all the albums from. I assume Styx can be a gateway drug band to more bolder outfits like Yes. Seen Styx live and they do a good show. Saga I've never seen and probably never will unless I fly over to Germany. However, I am seeing the ProgJect Ultimate Prog Rock Experience prog tribute show which features Saga singer Michael Sadler as well as Jonathan Mover (GTR) and Ryo Okumoto (Spocks Beard). I'm happy about that.

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  • Yorkshire Square
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    Originally posted by downbyariver View Post

    This is the Saga you're looking for-

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_(band)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_(band)#Studio_albums

    Biggest hit:





    The Saga in question actually hails from Canada.



    I don't have that album, but it is a Saga album.
    Thanks. Slightly better than what I listened to, but not much.

    You do know that Canada is a country in America, no?

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  • downbyariver
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    Anyhow, I voted for Styx because they are basically iconic in the US and I have all their albums. I have a feeling it'd be the other way around had I grown up on Canadian radio, though, and it may be the other way around for me anyway eventually as I very slowly continue to accumulate Saga albums and eventually the "what was on classic rock radio when I was growing up" gap fades into the ether as time passes and the bands get on more equal footing in my collection in terms of volume and times listened to. Neither of these groups are tier 1A for me, but both have songs and albums to recommend- and both are groups I wouldn't mind seeing open for Yes (One of them even has, and the other has done Cruise to the Edge with Yes, so they almost have. I didn't go to that tour and I've never been out to sea, so I didn't get to see either of them with Yes, but I imagine some people here have.).
    Last edited by downbyariver; 03-06-2022, 12:16 PM.

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  • downbyariver
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    This seems like the best thread for this question.

    My copy of Saga's 1987 album, Wildest Dreams has the title track appearing as both track 3, running 4:58, and track 9, running 4:59. Track three is the canonical placement and runtime.

    Typically, since the second iteration of the track is tacked on to the end of the album (Which otherwise runs 8 tracks), I would assume track 9 to be a differentiated version like a "single version", "extended version", "demo version", "alternate lyric version", "acoustic version", or somesuch. I can not figure out any difference between the music on these two tracks.

    Does anyone have a version of Wildest Dreams with an extra version of the title track and, if so, do you have any idea what the difference is between it and track 3?
    Last edited by downbyariver; 03-06-2022, 12:17 PM.

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  • downbyariver
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    Originally posted by Yorkshire Square View Post
    Well Saga proved a little more difficult. There are a lot of acts called Saga
    This is the Saga you're looking for-

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_(band)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_(band)#Studio_albums

    Biggest hit:



    and not all of them American rock bands
    The Saga in question actually hails from Canada.

    Anyway, I found an album called Sagacity
    I don't have that album, but it is a Saga album.

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  • Gtkgasman
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    Originally posted by Yorkshire Square View Post

    Sorry, my apologies. I didn't realise this was your own private thread where no-one was allowed to call out your personal whack-off ideas.

    Of course the Allied victory had nothing to do with French, Polish, Indian, Russian, Chinese or British soldiers and everything to do with a few Yanks who arrived long after the match had actually started...
    Nope. Just expressing my point of view. You can say whatever you like. And Iโ€™ll do the same.

    And you keep thinking that about the war and Cold War thereafter, if it makes you feel better to demean the Americans who fought for you. Hope that makes you real proud.

    you put up the pic of an American with a Russian and North Korean. Not me. Hope that makes you feel real good about yourself, real funny guy at these times. Idiocy.
    Last edited by Gtkgasman; 03-06-2022, 09:53 AM.

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  • Yorkshire Square
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    Well Saga proved a little more difficult. There are a lot of acts called Saga and not all of them American rock bands, viz:

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    Anyway, I found an album called Sagacity and another one with the same logo, but I can't remember what it was called.

    They were both pretty rubbish.

    I deem this match a tie!

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  • Yorkshire Square
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    Originally posted by Gtkgasman View Post

    Yup. I know you are not fond of us โ€œcrazy Americansโ€ as you so politely put it anyway.

    And I donโ€™t particularly like your new picture. If it wasnt for the USA you would be waiting in line for your borscht and coffee, or goosestepping to get your morning paper. Iโ€™d rather you just said thanks and be on your way.
    Sorry, my apologies. I didn't realise this was your own private thread where no-one was allowed to call out your personal whack-off ideas.

    Of course the Allied victory had nothing to do with French, Polish, Indian, Russian, Chinese or British soldiers and everything to do with a few Yanks who arrived long after the match had actually started...

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  • Gtkgasman
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    Originally posted by Yorkshire Square View Post

    Really??? ๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜’
    Yup. I know you are not fond of us โ€œcrazy Americansโ€ as you so politely put it anyway.

    And I donโ€™t particularly like your new picture. If it wasnt for the USA you would be waiting in line for your borscht and coffee, or goosestepping to get your morning paper. Iโ€™d rather you just said thanks and be on your way.
    Last edited by Gtkgasman; 03-06-2022, 06:13 AM.

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  • Yorkshire Square
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    Originally posted by Gtkgasman View Post
    Enjoy... your freedoms, which the USA had happily saved and provided for you...
    Really??? ๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜’

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