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    A Few Minor Site Changes to Consider

    I thought I'd throw a few things out there for John to consider if the appropriate options exist to make these changes or enable these features on the site and he likes the changes proposed.

    Since they essentially would be reversions to the behavior of some previous versions of vbulletin, I thought they might still exist as options or extensions for site administrators to try if they want to.

    Obviously, John should only pursue them if they seem like a good idea to them. It's his site, and I can get used to the new way it works pretty fast. This is some pretty sweet software. I'm just mentioning these ideaa because doing things the old way might be easier on people coming over from the old Yesfans or elsewhere on the web that does things the same way.

    I try to boil down each suggestion to something concrete that can be stated in one sentence, which I put at the bottom of each number and bold.

    If anyone skips to that and it doesn't make sense, though, or it's not clear why I'd suggest it, that's why I wrote all that stuff above it- to explain. I figure being very specific might also help if there is some sort of forum for vbulletin site owners or support system and they aren't sure what John is getting at if he can't find an option and asks if it exists the simple way without much luck.


    1. Commenting vs. quoting. Henry and I noticed on another thread that if a user clicks "comment" and types a message, it appears in unquotable text right below what it is replying to instead of at the bottom of the thread, which differs from the way other options work.

    So, imagine a thread of 20 posts. If I want to reply to post #3, my comment goes right under post #3 and above the rest of the thread (In this hypothetical, that's above 17 posts), can not be quoted, and is labeled as post "3.1" in the thread. The person I am replying to might get a notification (And *perhaps* someone checking for my latest posts through my profile or who clicks the "follow" button- I'm not sure on that point), and someone browsing the thread for the first time and reading from the beginning might read it, but people who've already read the the first 10 or 20 posts would probably never see it.

    If, on the other hand, I click "quote" or just type in the text box at the bottom of the page in the same hypothetical thread of 20 posts, my new post becomes post #21 instead of #3.1, and goes where everyone looking for new posts in the thread will see it .

    I think what the user expects is generally the behavior described in the last paragraph that comes from quoting or replying in the box and not what happens when they hit "comment" and are probably mostly also in the habit of looking at the bottom of the thread for new content.

    If the comment button weren't there, it might be easier to avoid confusion or users picking an option they did not attend. On the other hand, there may be advantages to allowing it that would become more apparent once everyone gets used to it- It just isn't my thing so far.

    So, tangible idea: Turn off the "comment" feature on posts. Only allow standard replies with quotes, standard replies without quotes, and whatever else (if there is anything) that go to the bottom of the thread when posted.

    2.
    This may be a situation where there is a way to do what I am asking about with site settings as they are currently and I just haven't figured it out yet.

    However, as things stand, I don't see a way to multi-quote.

    Multi-quote is where there was a button under each post and you could go down a thread clicking it for every post you wanted to quote.

    Eventually, you'd hit another button, and get a box to type in that included all the posts you intended to reply to in it.

    As things stand, it appears unless one wants to do things manually, there is no Graphical User Interface Option to multi-quote. The average user replying to two separate posts in the same thread would thus wind up making a separate post in reply to each individual post he/she/they reply to even one after the other in the same thread.

    It's not a big deal to have to do separate posts, it might even be better, in some respects. However, multi-quote did tend to create an easy way to remember the stuff I intended to reply to by marking posts as aide read a thread, instead of having to remember or reread to try to find the second or third post.

    Tangible suggestion: Enable multi-quote.

    3. On the old site, there were several themes users could choose from that world dictate the color scheme and the artwork (At least 1 or two of themes used fan art) the site as viewed while they were logged in.

    I read somewhere that more recent versions of Vbulletin Connect has full theming support and that Vbulletin Cloud has partial theming support (It wasn't immediately clear to me what partial is missing relative to full).

    Old Yesfans had "VBR4 Default Style" (which despite the name was clearly modified for a more Yes-like look than regular VabR. This could become "Old Yesfans theme" or "Yesfans Classic theme on the new Yesfans, as the current theme would be the default for anyone who doesn't select an option.), "Yesred2" (Which went it's own direction complete with a cool silloute of a DJ in a Yes short spinning tunes, and various holiday or seasonal scenes.

    I don't know if those themes would be things that Tim could share (If he wants to) that this site could adopt by just uploading them and making them user options, or if the different versions of the software would make them incompatible.

    Alternately, or in addition to, that, there is a possibility that VB has some free standard themes for owners to add as site options like a dark theme.

    There's no problem with the current theme, I'm just thinking options are good. Some people probably change which theme they are using every so often just for some variety, like people switch PC wallpaper every so often.

    Tangible suggestion: Consider adding some theme options.
    Last edited by downbyariver; 11-23-2021, 02:14 PM.
    "A lot of the heavier conversations I was having with Chris toward the end were about his desire for this thing to go forward. He kept reiterating that to me. [...] He kept telling me, 'No matter what happens, Yes needs to continue moving forward and make great music. So promise me that that's something you want to do.'. And I have to keep making music. It's just what I do. [...] I'm a fan of the band and I want to see it thrive and that means new music." -Billy Sherwood

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    Hey downbyariver

    Thank you for the suggestions

    So I disabled commenting and in the new version of vBulletin the multi-quote works a bit different

    You have to hit "Quote" on every post you want to quote and then "Post Reply" at the very top. Then your multiple quotes get inserted in your reply

    Let's try it and see if it works

    And for the themes, there are already some themes at the bottom you can switch them as you like

    I can't really match the old site, but I am working on creating some new themes with different colors

    "We all gotta climb mountains!" - Jon Anderson 2003

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      #3
      Maybe it's just me, but, every time I want my signature to display I have to go into my User Settings and access it, save it (even though I've made no actual changes) and back out - in order for it to show up in my posts, even though I have it enabled to display all the time. For anyone else who does have theirs enabled, does it show up on each post?
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        #4
        Originally posted by John Vehadija View Post
        So I disabled commenting
        Thanks!

        and in the new version of vBulletin the multi-quote works a bit different

        You have to hit "Quote" on every post you want to quote and then "Post Reply" at the very top. Then your multiple quotes get inserted in your reply

        Let's try it and see if it works
        Looks good. I think it was just a matter of being told how to do it. Now that I know, it seems very convenient.

        And for the themes, there are already some themes at the bottom you can switch them as you like

        I can't really match the old site, but I am working on creating some new themes with different colors
        Right now, I see two theme options: "Gradient" and "Default Style". I don't think themes are that big of a deal. I'm fine with what we have. I just thought in the long run, people might enjoy having choices, which sounds like something you're working on.
        "A lot of the heavier conversations I was having with Chris toward the end were about his desire for this thing to go forward. He kept reiterating that to me. [...] He kept telling me, 'No matter what happens, Yes needs to continue moving forward and make great music. So promise me that that's something you want to do.'. And I have to keep making music. It's just what I do. [...] I'm a fan of the band and I want to see it thrive and that means new music." -Billy Sherwood

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          #5
          Hey, so I din't know you don't see them, now I enabled everything available, hope you'll find one you like
          "We all gotta climb mountains!" - Jon Anderson 2003

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            #6
            I quite liked the “comment” feature. A quick and easy way just to say “Well said”, or “I agree”

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              #7
              It did seem a bit redundant, maybe we can live without it
              "We all gotta climb mountains!" - Jon Anderson 2003

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                #8
                At one time, Tim's Yesfans had several available skins, all fan designed, and one could pick amongst them.

                Also, as time went on, Tim decided that there was too much "old" stuff and summarily shit-canned hundreds of old posts and dozens of old threads. A shame, really, and a lot of folks were pretty upset at the loss.

                The same thing will be happening now . . . years of fascinating information will simply vanish, like the lyrics at the end of To Be Over, or eyewitness accounts of concerts and encounters from members now deceased.

                Malcolm's and Henry's insights will all be gone. Well, Henry's still here, and can tell the stories again, but we all know it's rarely as good as the first time the stories are told.

                I copied up a couple of threads I started (A Beginner's Guide to Classical Music, which I've started sharing now on a Classical Music site, and a Beatles' Cover Songs thread). But all the fun, the memories, will be gone. Sad Preacher, TrueYouTrueMe Gary, even Nina's love of Wakey.

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                  #9
                  It might just be my out-of-date brower (Chrome Version 67.0.3396.87), but it seems that some of the editing functions aren't "live", that is, I cannot make selected text bold or italicized.

                  Does the Font and Size work? I doesn't appear so. Emoticons? 😀 Yes! Color? Yes!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Inveryes View Post
                    I quite liked the “comment” feature. A quick and easy way just to say “Well said”, or “I agree”
                    There is a "Like" button underneath each post. Maybe it could serve the purpose you describe.
                    "A lot of the heavier conversations I was having with Chris toward the end were about his desire for this thing to go forward. He kept reiterating that to me. [...] He kept telling me, 'No matter what happens, Yes needs to continue moving forward and make great music. So promise me that that's something you want to do.'. And I have to keep making music. It's just what I do. [...] I'm a fan of the band and I want to see it thrive and that means new music." -Billy Sherwood

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by pianozach View Post
                      The same thing will be happening now . . . years of fascinating information will simply vanish, like the lyrics at the end of To Be Over, or eyewitness accounts of concerts and encounters from members now deceased.

                      Malcolm's and Henry's insights will all be gone. Well, Henry's still here, and can tell the stories again, but we all know it's rarely as good as the first time the stories are told.

                      I copied up a couple of threads I started (A Beginner's Guide to Classical Music, which I've started sharing now on a Classical Music site, and a Beatles' Cover Songs thread). But all the fun, the memories, will be gone. Sad Preacher, TrueYouTrueMe Gary, even Nina's love of Wakey.
                      We will probably be able to find things on the Wayback Machine - maybe not all of it, but a good chunk.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by pianozach View Post
                        At one time, Tim's Yesfans had several available skins, all fan designed, and one could pick amongst them.

                        Also, as time went on, Tim decided that there was too much "old" stuff and summarily shit-canned hundreds of old posts and dozens of old threads. A shame, really, and a lot of folks were pretty upset at the loss.

                        The same thing will be happening now . . . years of fascinating information will simply vanish, like the lyrics at the end of To Be Over, or eyewitness accounts of concerts and encounters from members now deceased.
                        I would suggest that anyone attempting to catalog and archive the "important stuff" by hand on Tim's site, after preserving whatever it is that they want to preserve for their own reasons, consider finding everything they can that Geoff Downes and Billy Sherwood posted there that hasn't been deleted. That's probably what's going to be of the most general interest to the folks who join this site or other Yes communities in the years to follow the old Yesfans closing it's doors.

                        Billy Sherwood in particular posted a lot of interesting stuff about his first tenure with the band.
                        Last edited by downbyariver; 11-25-2021, 10:05 PM.
                        "A lot of the heavier conversations I was having with Chris toward the end were about his desire for this thing to go forward. He kept reiterating that to me. [...] He kept telling me, 'No matter what happens, Yes needs to continue moving forward and make great music. So promise me that that's something you want to do.'. And I have to keep making music. It's just what I do. [...] I'm a fan of the band and I want to see it thrive and that means new music." -Billy Sherwood

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by luna65 View Post
                          Maybe it's just me, but, every time I want my signature to display I have to go into my User Settings and access it, save it (even though I've made no actual changes) and back out - in order for it to show up in my posts, even though I have it enabled to display all the time. For anyone else who does have theirs enabled, does it show up on each post?
                          Hi Luna how do you update a signature on this site?
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                            #14
                            I habitually use whatever function shows the most recent posts and threads posted in, most recent at the top. I do this on several boards.

                            I'd say over 75% of my use/interactions come from that "What's New / New Posts" button.

                            Do we have one here, or could we have one ?

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                              #15
                              You can try New Topics under the FORUM
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