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    No More Politics

    Hey guys,

    As you know the Politics section was opened again on a trial basis

    but sadly I think it all turned too heavy for the site

    This is a site about music and art, not politics

    Whoever will remain here, I want them to find a positive friendly environment

    All the best

    John






    "We all gotta climb mountains!" - Jon Anderson 2003

    #2
    Hey John, as a participant in the aforementioned forum, I applaud your decision.

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      #3
      Ditto. With White Memorial, a new DBA album, Roger's 4D experience and Horn's memoir. There is plenty else to get on with.....

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        #4
        I think you made the right decision, John.

        There are plenty of other places people can go if they want to discuss politics on the Internet.

        Sometimes on a forum like this, a politics section can be a source of stress even to non-participants. People feel so strongly about things that it's hard not to jump in when someone says something objectionable, lest silence be taken as the people of the forum's general assent to whatever extreme viewpoint is initially presented, and then all the sudden if they do jump in, they are suddenly spending all this time arguing about politics and feeling stressed when all they really wanted to do was talk about music and relax. In the short to medium term, politics can generate extra traffic, but I think in the long run it drives people away and turns into a handful of people doing the Internet equivalent of yelling at each other while everyone else scatters, or at least starts having qualms about mentioning or linking to the site because they are afraid that the people they refer will think whatever political thing is going on represents them.

        We can have plenty of perfectly good arguments about Yes internal politics (I.e. bandmates who don't get along, spin-off groups that are hostile to each other both claiming to be the original, etc.). This isn't one of those bands where there is a shortage of controversy and very little to talk about.

        Plus, we're pretty good at extending talk to include some other music we enjoy as well.
        Last edited by downbyariver; 09-16-2022, 10:37 PM.
        "A lot of the heavier conversations I was having with Chris toward the end were about his desire for this thing to go forward. He kept reiterating that to me. [...] He kept telling me, 'No matter what happens, Yes needs to continue moving forward and make great music. So promise me that that's something you want to do.'. And I have to keep making music. It's just what I do. [...] I'm a fan of the band and I want to see it thrive and that means new music." -Billy Sherwood

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          #5
          Thank you
          i don’t mind anyone wanting to exchange views on any topic, but , personally, I visit music sites such as Yesfans to focus on music and take time away from other topics.
          i’ve Never opened or viewed any of the political threads here, , but I found myself searching within the settings menu to see if there was a way that I could prevent myself from seeing non-musical threads
          i expect there are unlimited sites to discuss sports/architecture/cooking/politics etc
          i mostly enjoy the Yes-related topics on Yesfans

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            #6
            Well, we will see then, if Harold Bland or whatever it's name is/was will ever post here, again. He initiated quite a few political threads, and only one was vaguely YES-related. He never commented about YES on any other topic, or anyone else's threads about YES or anything else. I have my theories, There are people who go site to site to do such things, and I believe this "troll" was here on the old site, quite a while ago.

            Had zero idea politics was going to be brought back, or that it was on a trial basis only. In the flesh, we all get along.

            I get what you are saying, John, but if YES still wasn't Touring, and making new music, and if Trevor hadn't just gotten a new hair-weave ;-), it would only be the same old as nauseum conversations about YES, to where James Bond is always brought up. gor the hundredth and one time. ;-)

            No one is going to change anyone's mind when it comes to politics. Sure,, you can inform some of what is really going on, who is who, who said what, timetables, and subjects up for legislation and rulings, etc, etc . And no, it is not a political site, but you aren't going to learn much from regular news that isn't biased, and/or ignored, or even edited to make some folks look bad, or good for that matter. One side generally gets canceled out, and that is truly unfortunate not only for the public, but actual conversations, and one even may say civility, though the subject of politics certainly often times not only turns unsavory; but uncivil as well.

            I am offended that so many folks get offended now a days. Had to laugh tonight when AOC said she was being attacked for being a female, when pressed by another Congressperson if she knew what she was actually talking about. People need to grow a set of balls and not be too compliant to the point of being compliciant. I will end the subject on that note, other than to say, I hope I didn't get anyone too upset. All good with me, No Peter Banks, No YES! :-)

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              #7
              Originally posted by luvyesmusic View Post
              Well, we will see then, if Harold Bland or whatever it's name is/was will ever post here, again. He initiated quite a few political threads, and only one was vaguely YES-related. He never commented about YES on any other topic, or anyone else's threads about YES or anything else. I have my theories, There are people who go site to site to do such things, and I believe this "troll" was here on the old site, quite a while ago.

              Had zero idea politics was going to be brought back, or that it was on a trial basis only. In the flesh, we all get along.

              I get what you are saying, John, but if YES still wasn't Touring, and making new music, and if Trevor hadn't just gotten a new hair-weave ;-), it would only be the same old as nauseum conversations about YES, to where James Bond is always brought up. gor the hundredth and one time. ;-)

              No one is going to change anyone's mind when it comes to politics. Sure,, you can inform some of what is really going on, who is who, who said what, timetables, and subjects up for legislation and rulings, etc, etc . And no, it is not a political site, but you aren't going to learn much from regular news that isn't biased, and/or ignored, or even edited to make some folks look bad, or good for that matter. One side generally gets canceled out, and that is truly unfortunate not only for the public, but actual conversations, and one even may say civility, though the subject of politics certainly often times not only turns unsavory; but uncivil as well.

              I am offended that so many folks get offended now a days. Had to laugh tonight when AOC said she was being attacked for being a female, when pressed by another Congressperson if she knew what she was actually talking about. People need to grow a set of balls and not be too compliant to the point of being compliciant. I will end the subject on that note, other than to say, I hope I didn't get anyone too upset. All good with me, No Peter Banks, No YES! :-)
              Thanks for verifying that John was definitely right in his decision. Hopefully we see no more posts like this. *rolleyes*. I apologize if all of it was just world travelling, hard working american babble.

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                #8
                Simple works best for most folks.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by luvyesmusic View Post
                  Well, we will see then, if Harold Bland or whatever it's name is/was will ever post here, again. He initiated quite a few political threads, and only one was vaguely YES-related. He never commented about YES on any other topic, or anyone else's threads about YES or anything else. I have my theories, There are people who go site to site to do such things, and I believe this "troll" was here on the old site, quite a while ago.

                  Had zero idea politics was going to be brought back, or that it was on a trial basis only. In the flesh, we all get along.

                  I get what you are saying, John, but if YES still wasn't Touring, and making new music, and if Trevor hadn't just gotten a new hair-weave ;-), it would only be the same old as nauseum conversations about YES, to where James Bond is always brought up. gor the hundredth and one time. ;-)

                  No one is going to change anyone's mind when it comes to politics. Sure,, you can inform some of what is really going on, who is who, who said what, timetables, and subjects up for legislation and rulings, etc, etc . And no, it is not a political site, but you aren't going to learn much from regular news that isn't biased, and/or ignored, or even edited to make some folks look bad, or good for that matter. One side generally gets canceled out, and that is truly unfortunate not only for the public, but actual conversations, and one even may say civility, though the subject of politics certainly often times not only turns unsavory; but uncivil as well.

                  I am offended that so many folks get offended now a days. Had to laugh tonight when AOC said she was being attacked for being a female, when pressed by another Congressperson if she knew what she was actually talking about. People need to grow a set of balls and not be too compliant to the point of being compliciant. I will end the subject on that note, other than to say, I hope I didn't get anyone too upset. All good with me, No Peter Banks, No YES! :-)
                  Yes, this Harold Bland was an interesting character. The owner here is a good and tolerate man. He can decide to do want he wants with his site. Was it a good or bad decision? It does not matter as he is footing the bill.

                  The hatred and intolerance is just an extension of what you see in the media and from the politicians. If the media and politicians became more civil the masses would also.


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                    #10
                    Originally posted by John Vehadija View Post
                    Hey guys,

                    As you know the Politics section was opened again on a trial basis

                    but sadly I think it all turned too heavy for the site

                    This is a site about music and art, not politics

                    Whoever will remain here, I want them to find a positive friendly environment

                    All the best

                    John
                    I agree, while I used the politics subforum it's better not to. But please clean up this topic too, since some are using it here to attack other members they can't any more in politics, and continue the topic here.

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                      #11
                      Well done John. On the old site I would sometimes chime in on political squabbles, and it truly does create tension on an otherwise benevolent forum. I have stayed away from those forums on this site, and it has made me feel better. I agree that the site is better off without political forums.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by pjt View Post

                        I agree, while I used the politics subforum it's better not to. But please clean up this topic too, since some are using it here to attack other members they can't any more in politics, and continue the topic here.
                        And because of people like you that can't have a rational discussion without calling people racists,klansman and other horrible names is the direct reason why this forum subject is being shut down

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by pjt View Post

                          I agree, while I used the politics subforum it's better not to. But please clean up this topic too, since some are using it here to attack other members they can't any more in politics, and continue the topic here.
                          Telling people what to do, even with a "please", is really not the American way, and why the attempt was made to found this country. Have a good day.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by roundabout View Post

                            And because of people like you that can't have a rational discussion without calling people racists,klansman and other horrible names is the direct reason why this forum subject is being shut down
                            You're just proving my point here, lol. But what do I know? I'm just a crazy far leftist, socialist, communist who needs a SHRINK.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by pjt View Post

                              I agree, while I used the politics subforum it's better not to. But please clean up this topic too, since some are using it here to attack other members they can't any more in politics, and continue the topic here.
                              I have read all the posts. I do not see where other members are being attacked. Specifics?

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