Roger Waters responds back

[luvyesmusic]

RogerWaters has never been a stupid man. He’s English, a generation ahead who was affected more adversely by things that happened to his country , his family and the world. Someone affected and understood more about certain things than folks younger than him. Much more than just a musician or artist. You can study, you can travel and live around the world, talk to people, but unless you are of a certain age, and lived in, or fought, you can’t truly know. You think you might understand, and believe I know up to a certain point with my travels, living around the globe, and talking with thousands of people, but you don’t fully know, unless you lived it, and actually studied history, and most importantly don’t turn a blind eye, whether you realize it or not, with just bits of the truth you are offered, or have access to.

I know the previous thread was closed. To be honest, I only followed Pink Floyd and Roger Waters up through the mid 80s. But because of the last thread, and that folks are constantly being monitored by their phones and various other entities, this YouTube video of Roger Waters responding, explaining, informing, educating, and fighting back against some press and certain people, from a day, ago, showed up on my YouTube this morning.

Love him or hate him, indifferent to Roger, it is not only a fair podium for him to respond back and explain, it is interesting and informative as well, for an artist who has never been silenced ( yet ) , but passionate about world issues.

https://youtu.be/AwIZoJSrIJU

[rePete]

As he so often does, he comes across as arrogant, self-important, and egomaniacal. But he's really not wrong.

[Frumious B]

I don’t agree with all of his positions, but I do think Waters is right here. And it is a little revelatory to me how superficial and irresponsible a lot of the journalism has been, not even reporting very basic facts, such as that he is doing a character piece from a 40+ year old album during the section of his show in question.

Whatever happened to who, what, when, where, how and why?

[Gtkgasman]

I don’t agree with all of his positions, but I do think Waters is right here. And it is a little revelatory to me how superficial and irresponsible a lot of the journalism has been, not even reporting very basic facts, such as the that he is doing a character piece from a 40+ year old album during the section of his show in question.

Whatever happened to who, what, when, where, how and why?

The Bold above is thee spot on question/observation(across the board/not just this discussion). Journalism is dead. Journalistic integrity is dead. Mob rules. Drama rules.

[rePete]

Whatever happened to who, what, when, where, how and why?

It doesn't sell advertising.

[Gtkgasman]

It doesn't sell advertising.

Every time I hear a reporter on the new use the term “social media” it still makes me want to puke to this day….after years, still makes me ill.

[Yesed]

Funny, I just watched this before seeing this thread. Roger explains himself brilliantly. Simple and clear.

[Yesed]

I know the previous thread was closed. To be honest, I only followed Pink Floyd and Roger Waters up through the mid 80s. But because of the last thread, and that folks are constantly being monitored by their phones and various other entities, this YouTube video of Roger Waters responding, explaining, informing, educating, and fighting back against some press and certain people, from a day, ago, showed up on my YouTube this morning.

I was a little upset about that, I didn’t think the discussion was going bad. I hate when you’re about to make a response, you find out the thread was closed.
I think this video answered some questions for some people.

[JMKUSA]

Roger knew having the pig wear a Jewish symbol would provoke a reaction. He wanted to cause controversy. The people going after him are playing right into his hands. I find it hilarious to watch.

[True]

I think you probably meant that Roger Waters responds - not that he responds back.

[rePete]

Roger knew having the pig wear a Jewish symbol would provoke a reaction. He wanted to cause controversy. The people going after him are playing right into his hands. I find it hilarious to watch.

More recently, a lot of folks seem to think that using those symbols on stage or in art in general is somehow glorifying them. But artists have always used imagery of historical atrocities - not to glorify, but to condemn and remind people just how terrible those events were. Waters falls into the latter category. Twisting it into the opposite is just a disgusting byproduct of people's apparent need for online outrage.

[Enlighten]

The Bold above is thee spot on question/observation(across the board/not just this discussion). Journalism is dead. Journalistic integrity is dead. Mob rules. Drama rules.

It use to be that journalism was a more noble profession. It was actually a blue collar profession where reporters and beat writers didn’t remotely want to be buddy buddy with the people they were covering. Now mainstream legacy media (regardless of what end of the political spectrum you’re on) are propagandists for the hands that feed them. Fortunately, there are some very good independent journalists out there now who are putting very brave feet forward to challenge the propagandist narratives.

[Gtkgasman]

It use to be that journalism was a more noble profession. It was actually a blue collar profession where reporters and beat writers didn’t remotely want to be buddy buddy with the people they were covering. Now mainstream legacy media (regardless of what end of the political spectrum you’re on) are propagandists for the hands that feed them. Fortunately, there are some very good independent journalists out there now who are putting very brave feet forward to challenge the propagandist narratives.

Well put. The days of confirming all the facts, as was stated- the who what when where why about a story - and presenting a whole story, have gone by. Now the goal is to just get whatever bits and pieces are out fast, regardless of impact or chaos that result. No one wants to sit back, absorb what is occurring, digest it, THINK about it, and then speak.

[luna65]

It was actually a blue collar profession where reporters and beat writers didn’t remotely want to be buddy buddy with the people they were covering.

Well, and it was considered bad form if you wanted to be, because you had to maintain objectivity. But then it slowly began to change in certain quarters by the '60s.

[Enlighten]

Well, and it was considered bad form if you wanted to be, because you had to maintain objectivity. But then it slowly began to change in certain quarters by the '60s.

Amen Luna, amen.