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    Dire Straits is prog?

    Does anyone else find it weird that Dire Straits are listed as a prog band on here? The Grateful Dead too for that matter. I'll admit they have a semi prog album in Love Over Gold with a few tracks on there being very proggish and maybe one or two being full blown prog but overall I would not consider DS to be a prog band. Very good band though.
    Last edited by Soundchaser413; 03-29-2023, 04:21 PM.

    #2
    Eh. Whatever.

    Dire Straights and Grateful Dead have Proggy elements.

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      #3
      Telegraph Road? Tobacco Road?

      Long song on Love Over Gold?

      Pretty epic. Great arrangement. Will have to relisten to it. Must be 40 odd years ago?

      Fun fact: back in the 80's I helped set up the stage at an outdoor gig in Hobart, Tasmania. Luggin' speaker stacks off trucks. Etc. Went to concert later. Good fun.

      Knopfler was well regarded. Played on Gaucho by Steely Dan.


      OK. Just googled. Telegraph Road. Quite the narrative. 14 minutes long.
      Last edited by Gilly Goodness; 03-28-2023, 02:30 PM.

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        #4
        TELEGRAPH ROAD

        Quite a journey. Pioneer settlers. Churches. Law. Schools. Road built. Mining. War. Mine closes. Unemployment.

        So. No goblins and fairies. Still proggy. But a narrative arc. Great soloin'. Moody organ.

        If Bob Dylan had sex with Bruce Springsteen. And. I'm not sayin' they did but this could be their offspring. A good ride. Thought provokin'.


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          #5
          Telegraph Road is a killer song. Knopfler is a great guitarist with a very identifiable style. Love Over Gold and Making Movies were top notch albums. I’m not sure I would classify them as Prog, but Dire Straits was an excellent band.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Gilly Goodness View Post
            Telegraph Road? Tobacco Road?

            Long song on Love Over Gold?

            Pretty epic. Great arrangement. ...

            OK. Just googled. Telegraph Road. Quite the narrative. 14 minutes long.
            I didn't realize that prog was used more strictly than I had thought until maybe ten years ago. I definitely think some of Dire Straits like the great "Telegraph Gold" is near prog or influenced by prog.

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              #7
              A little prog-ish in places, or with art rock tendencies or however you want to look at it. Prog? Naw, well yeah, well maybe, probably not. Rock with more to offer? Fine band though, whatever they are. Mark Knopfler is a killer guitarist and fine songwriter. But I don't know about 'prog' as we know it these days. When I see the word 'prog', I usually think of people like Porcupine Tree .and Haken and stuff, more so than even Yes, Genesis etc. But are Dire Straits 'progressive rock' or art rock?

              Love Over Gold album with Telegraph Road is an obvious pointer in that direction. An atmospheric and engaging album. There are even some more involved moments on Brothers In Arms, despite it being such a big pop seller back in the 80's. The second half is pretty Floyd-y, especially the title track. Making Movies is another winner album.

              I give Knopfler & pals credit, they left on top and never dragged on and on with diminishing returns. They were great, and though many may clamor for a DS reunion, maybe its for the best that Knopfler won't do it. The 6 albums they did are probably enough.

              Speaking of 'prog', check out Jethro Tull's Crest Of A Knave (1987), y'know, the Grammy for Heavy Metal album. Ian Anderson has total Mark Knopfler fever on that one. If you didn't know any better, you would have thought it was Dire Straits.

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                #8
                Trevor Horn tours with a Dire Straits version without Knoppfler. Then again. Is Horn prog? Heheheheee.

                And after TeleRd came up on youtube, it followed with BrosInArms. And. Yes. His guitar sounded very Gilmouresque. Groovy. Moody. With the most unlike-rockstar voice in the biz.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gilly Goodness View Post
                  If Bob Dylan had sex with Bruce Springsteen. And. I'm not sayin' they did but this could be their offspring.
                  I'm beginning to get the sense that they may not have a mandatory sexual education cirriculum in Australia.
                  "A lot of the heavier conversations I was having with Chris toward the end were about his desire for this thing to go forward. He kept reiterating that to me. [...] He kept telling me, 'No matter what happens, Yes needs to continue moving forward and make great music. So promise me that that's something you want to do.'. And I have to keep making music. It's just what I do. [...] I'm a fan of the band and I want to see it thrive and that means new music." -Billy Sherwood

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by downbyariver View Post

                    I'm beginning to get the sense that they may not have a mandatory sexual education cirriculum in Australia.
                    Love is love, dbar. ♥️

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Gilly Goodness View Post

                      Love is love, dbar. ♥️
                      I'm a strong supporter of gay marriage, I'm just not sure two men can have *biological* offspring via sex with each other, though, that's all. . It seems likely that Bruce and Bob would have to pursue adoption.

                      I wonder if they've figured out how how to create male-male test tube babies yet who are a mix of both fathers' DNA, though. It seems like we may be close to that scientifically if it hasn't happened already.

                      I know they keep talking about cloning a wooly mammoth by essentially emptying an elephant egg (the internal kind) and sticking in the DNA of an adult male wooly mammoth, filling in gaps with elephant DNA, like Jurassic Park, but with mammoths. They say dinosaurs won't be possible because it's extremely unlikely we'll ever get enough DNA code preserved from that long ago to even get a 90% dinosaur. Woolly mammoths went extinct much more recently in geological time and are thus a more real possibility. Apparently one of big hold ups is that elephants are endangered, and they don't want to sort of divert fertile elephants to giving birth to mammoths in an attempt to bring back an extinct specifies, only to see that be the final blow in making elephants extinct. I guess they could always clone an elephant using a wooly mammoth egg if that happened, tough. Circle of life. . Point being that they could probably use a human egg without a female contributing any DNA- which would sort of be the first hurdle they'd have to clear to eventually get children with two biological fathers and no biological mother (Unless one of the fathers was trans and had female equipment- which would be a very interesting bit of Springsteen/Dylan trivia. ). Then they'd have to figure out how to splice two sets of male DNA together to put in the egg.

                      Anyhow, Bob Dylan does already have at least one son who sings, Jacob Dylan, of the Wallflowers:

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                      "A lot of the heavier conversations I was having with Chris toward the end were about his desire for this thing to go forward. He kept reiterating that to me. [...] He kept telling me, 'No matter what happens, Yes needs to continue moving forward and make great music. So promise me that that's something you want to do.'. And I have to keep making music. It's just what I do. [...] I'm a fan of the band and I want to see it thrive and that means new music." -Billy Sherwood

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                        #12
                        Quite the Pandora's box we've opened. 🤯

                        • Australian company has created a "meatball" from Woolly Mammoth DNA. No biggie. There are clubs in Siberia who bbq Mammoth meat still fresh from out of the tundra. About the size of a rock melon. Can't vouch for the taste. Would I eat it? Would I what!!!


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                        • the DNA strands that determine sex aren't that many. From my limited understandin'. How that would all work with 2 males I have no idea. ???

                        • Tasmanian tiger is close to de-extinctin' with enough original DNA left from pickled specimens. Fetus I think. Has to be born through a numbat. Closest relative and DNA match to the thylacene.


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                        • there is scientific and political will in Russia to reintroduce Mammoths for their seed dispersal via manure. Plus. Somethin' for the wolves to eat.
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                          #13
                          If Dire Straits are prog, I'm William Shakespeare.

                          My brother had all their records when we were young. Drove me up the bloody wall. I'd get my owm back with Tangerine Dream and ELP... 🤣

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Soundchaser413 View Post
                            Does anyone else find it weird that Dire Straits are listed as a prog band on here? The Grateful Dead too for that matter. I'll admit they have a semi prog album in Love Over Gold with a few tracks onthere being very proggish and maybe one or two being full blown prog but overall I would not consider DS to be a prog band. Very good band though.
                            I find it very strange! Dire Straits is a kind of ugly country music (it's my opinion).

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                              #15
                              Dire Straits are canonically categorized as "album rock, classic rock, mellow gold, rock, soft rock​" here: https://everynoise.com/artistprofile...tFUFjGjMZBMt6T . Our favourite 3 letter band is similarly categorized as "art rock, symphonic rock, progressive rock, album rock, classic rock, jazz fusion, rock​", so there's some overlap, for sure. I don't make the rules.

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