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  • Frumious B
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    So lots of new developments…

    David Tennant and Catherine Tate are coming back. The rumor is that Jodie Whittaker is going to regenerate into Tennant who will regenerate into Ncuti Gatwa after three specials with Gatwa taking over for the next full series of the show. Folks are freaking out, but I trust RTD. Anniversary specials wouldn’t seem like a great spot to try to launch a new Doctor so it’s smart to use the most popular new series Doctor. However, I’m glad they announced Gatwa first so that it is clear to fans that Tennant is not returning permanently.

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  • Grey Wolf
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    Sing along!



    All of time and space
    Is a happy place
    with the Sixth Doctor Who
    Last edited by Grey Wolf; 05-22-2022, 07:43 AM.

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  • downbyariver
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    I really only got into the show when it relaunched circa 2005. My favorite doctor is Christopher Eccleston. I basically like all the modern incarnations from that point on, which is now the last 17 years or so, if you can believe it.

    Still, even though I only rarely like kicking back and watching old school (pre-2005) Doctor Who (When I say rarely, I mean rarely as in sometimes I do enjoy it, not a euphemism for never), I was very pleased when they explicitly connected it all as canon for the newer stuff on-screen. There was some question when they first relaunched as to whether they were completely starting over, or if this was simply the 9th doctor and everything counted. I like that they decided to explicitly count the old doctors, including the one from the telemovie. I feel like it adds depth and history to the proceedings, and doesn't really limit them much. It's like a zero cost add of possibility and continuity. There aren't many stories you could tell with a rebooted "first doctor" that you can't tell with a doctor who's been around forever (There are remarkably few details about his/her/their life and times that can't sort of be recontexted on the fly to allow for whatever you want to do with the addition of a throwaway line or two explaining it.), but there are stories you wouldn't be able to tell with a new doctor who was the first doctor in a fresh universe.

    Part of the greatness of these old franchises is that you can do stuff like have a recap at the beginning of an episode that says "50 years ago on Doctor Who" or "50 years ago on Star Trek" (Something both have done at least once each) with old clips setting up a new episode the way other shows might say "Last week on [show name]".
    Last edited by downbyariver; 05-11-2022, 01:46 PM.

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  • downbyariver
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    I'm not familiar with the new doctor's prior body of work as an actor, but I trust that he'll do a fine job.

    I kept joking with people the last couple years that casting a woman was not nearly as dramatic a step as casting a Scotsman as the doctor, and here they are with their second Scotsmen out of the last three doctors. Oh, and he's also black.

    I kid, but I do like the gender and ethnic diversity.

    I'm about to talk about the show itself, including storylines and revelations from everything except the most recently air special, which I haven't seen yet.

    So, SPOILERS FOR ALREADY AIRED EPISODES (EXCEPT THE MOST RECENT ONE) BELOW.

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    Though I'm sure it was controversial in Who fandom, when the doctor was revealed to have not been originally from Gallifrey, with the Time Lords being a result of the people on the planet he wound up on eventually incorporating his genetics into who they were (Originally, the doctor could regenerate, but they couldn't.) and then retconning their own history so as to reflect a false narrative that they'd always been able to regenerate and had some sort of manifest destiny type claim over time and space (predicated on that falsehood), I was blown away. I thought it was a really bold decision, and something I honestly didn't see coming, but which could be said to in retrospect have had a clue or two dropped*,

    They further revealed that the doctors we've known have all come after a mind wipe, essentially, and that there were a lot of previous regenerations that the doctor has no memory of. They even showed one of them- a black woman (Technically, the earliest black person and the first woman we've seen in terms of the internal chronology of the doctor to date, even though she wasn't ever the doctor we followed the adventures of on-screen).

    The doctor sort of opted not to restore his memories by throwing them into the heart of the TARDIS and asking her to keep them somewhere the doctor wouldn't be able to find them unless and until they were needed. It'd be nice to either have the doctor get those memories restored (With the viewing audience getting the highlights), or having him/her/they find out organically what he/she/they were up to before the person we know as the first doctor appeared on our television screens, what prompted the doctor to agree to have his/her/their memory erased (Or did he/she/they agree?), etc..

    If throwing the memories down what is only a small step away from literally qualifying as a memory hole was part of a plan for the doctor to need the memories sometime soon and have them resurface, cool. However, my concern is that it was the show's way of dropping the storyline or putting it off, and that we'll neither see it in the literally one special we have left from the current show runner or anything from the new show runner. It doesn't seem like RTD's type of plot line (And, of course, it's entirely possible that his type of plot line or not, he'll just opt to pick up stuff from his first run and go with that), but this was a real shocking reveal and a very important storyline. I'd like to see something done with it.

    I mean, I guess it could be revealed as some sort of elaborate subterfuge, but if that's the case, explore that, and tell us who the doctor who preceded his mindwipe, who definitely seemed to have the doctor's personality, mannerisms, toys, and TARDIS really is.

    I feel like they could bring a lot of interesting stuff from the past of the series into it if they decided to cast the newish status quo as accurate. For example, for decades now, people involved with the show have been trying to explain away, or simply dismiss as somehow not counting, the line in the 1996 telemovie where the doctor says his mother was from earth. Now, in retrospect, it could be that the doctor's mother was from earth (Obviously with an alien father of some sort), and that the reason he only mentioned it once, is that because he didn't consciously remember it- it was only in confusion of a recent regeneration that the memory surfaced in fragmentary form for just long enough for him to spit it out. That would also provide an in-canon explanation for why he's always hanging around earth so much with human companions- that it's a subconscious kinship and protectiveness because he's a native, even though he didn't know it. The TARDIS might even know it and keep spitting him out there for that reason. Maybe his mother used to wear a scarf and had a weakness for Jelly Babies candy.
    Last edited by downbyariver; 05-12-2022, 12:28 PM.

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  • Frumious B
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    Originally posted by Chris2210 View Post
    The last time I followed it Tom Baker was the doctor. They should have guested him on this last series. I can just hear it: “M’[Time]Lord, you have a woman’s policebox “. Could have been magical.
    Tom Baker did make a guest appearance a few years back.

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  • Soundwaveseeker
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    Coincidently I've been in a Who kick this past week or so and grabbed some dvds off the shelf - a few of the Peter Davison ones and a Sylvester McCoy. Got at least something from the first 7 Doctors. I couldn't tell you my favorite, they all are different. I might want to watch a Jon Pertwee one, haven't seen one in a while. Colin Baker - underrated. Tom Baker was probably the most known Doctor here in the US, prior to the Doctor Who resurgence in the 2000's. But I remember the other ones being aired back in the 80's too.

    Just haven't plunged into any of the newer (post 1989) Doctors, I'm still catching up with the original wave. Nothing against any of the newer ones, just haven't got time to jump down that rabbit hole. I'm probably missing good stuff, but I'll stick to the old ones for now.

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  • Yorkshire Square
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    Originally posted by Chris2210 View Post
    The last time I followed it Tom Baker was the doctor. They should have guested him on this last series. I can just hear it: “M’[Time]Lord, you have a woman’s policebox “. Could have been magical.
    Opinion differs on the matter... 😉

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  • Chris2210
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    The last time I followed it Tom Baker was the doctor. They should have guested him on this last series. I can just hear it: “M’[Time]Lord, you have a woman’s policebox “. Could have been magical.

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  • RelayerI
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    Originally posted by Yorkshire Square View Post
    Any other fans out there? Thoughts on the new Doctor?

    I've found the last couple of regenerations hard going, mainly due the quality of writing. I think Capaldi was a bad choice, but Whitaker could have been better with stronger material.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61371123
    Big fan. Big Finish buyer here !

    I liked Capaldi.

    Jodie made some bad acting choices,which direction should have eliminated. The gurning to the camera was a no brainer.

    Pretty much all of the rest of the problems apart from the costume (which I think she had input in) were dialogue (Fam ?) script and plot related.

    I've found things to like in Jodie's run but got two episodes into Flux and can't seem to raise any interest to watch the rest. Glad to see Chibnall move on.

    I think RTD is a crappy scifi writer but a great character writer and a good showrunner. I get the impression he'll be overseeing a larger Whoniverse of spin-offs soon after the relaunch so the less writing he contributes the better.

    If he does a good job I think this could be a very good time to be a Who fan.
    Last edited by RelayerI; 05-11-2022, 10:20 AM.

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  • Gilly Goodness
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    Originally posted by Grey Wolf View Post

    It's such a bloodbath sometimes. Maybe Barnaby and Jones* from Midsomer Murders need to investigate this Doctor person. Lock them up and save a lot of lives.

    * or whoever is the DS these days, I've lost track.


    Nick Hendrix plays Jamie Winter.

    Season 23 greenlit.

    Holly "dishy" Willoughby to cameo.



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    Winter: "So why did The Doctor slay all the old people
    of Midsomer Malham?"

    Barnaby: " Love. Sargent. The oldest motive there is."

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  • Grey Wolf
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    I stopped after a few episodes with Whittaker because of the writing, I was losing interest during Capaldi's run anyway. Liked the actors, didn't like the writing and all the deaths. Killing people was always part of the show, it just seems like it got so much grimmer.

    It's such a bloodbath sometimes. Maybe Barnaby and Jones* from Midsomer Murders need to investigate this Doctor person. Lock them up and save a lot of lives.

    * or whoever is the DS these days, I've lost track.


    P.S. Good luck to the new guy, hope they write better stories.
    Last edited by Grey Wolf; 05-10-2022, 04:52 PM.

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  • Gilly Goodness
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    Some critics felt a gender-blind written Whittaker failed to grasp the opportunity of a female doctor.

    Will a colour blind doctor do the same?

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  • Frumious B
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    And Capaldi was my favorite new series Doctor.

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  • Frumious B
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    Chibnall has been awful so no way to go except up. I trust RTD and based on the clips I’ve seen of Gatwa he is a talented, vibrant and quirky actor. I think he can bring the energy and hopefully some otherworldly alienness too.

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  • Ash Armstrong
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    I gave up watching at some point early in Malcolm Tucker's tenure. He wasn't in the role that long though, was he?
    I saw the beginning of Jodie Whittaker's Who, and there were so many companions, and the writing was really poor, as was much of the acting, that I failed to finish the episode.
    My favourite Doctor was Jon Pertwee.

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