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    How "Pop" do you go with your Yes members?

    This thread is more geared towards the more 'poppier' elements/albums from various Yes members that you may have an ear for. How you might define "pop" or accessible may vary, but here we're talking about albums where the material is maybe shorter, catchier, more '80's', with an eye towards the radio, maybe simpler or at least not exactly trying to present itself as a big concept thing, musically or lyrically. Some Yes alumni are more apt to make such an album than others. Jon Anderson and Chris Squire may have more of a bearing on that than say, Rick Wakeman.

    However, for this thread we'll stick to solo albums or maybe a few offshoots from Yes members - reason being is that accessible material from Yes themselves has already been covered here on the site many times, so leaving out the band proper avoids "Yes were always a pop band" or "Yes sold out" or "CTTE sold millions and it's not even pop, so it's not always about..." or "I don't like Trevor Rabin" etc. That's been done. Instead, we can focus on solo albums rather than on Yes. With the band, expectations are placed a little higher. With a solo album or project, there isn't as much emphasis on living up to these as often.

    Here are some of mine:

    JON ANDERSON- IN THE CITY OF ANGELS (1988):

    I remember this released in the spring of 1988, coming off of the high of Big Generator. Hold On To Love was the single, and I do remember hearing it on the radio. And on the rock station too, where it shared space with Guns & Roses and The Who and the like. I suppose it didn't play for long. But the sound quality on this album is very high and very clear. Jumps out of the speakers. A very R&B oriented album, with Motown great Lamont Dozier co-writing a couple tracks. Throw in members of TOTO in there, and you get a very accessible album. Great production, smooth, glossy. Take out Jon's voice and stick in Mariah Carey or Taylor Dane or somebody, and....chart hit. Especially the smoother ballads on side one. But it's not all smooth jazz and L.A. pop, it's still a very Jon album. Anthemic 'Hurry Home' seems to crop up on other Jon Anderson albums like Change We Must. Sundancing and New Civilization are peppy and bright. Glass Bead Game - almost like a Big Generator leftover, you almost hear Trevor Rabin on it. And I do really love Hold On To Love.

    PATRICK MORAZ - TIME CODE (1984):

    I found this album a bit too poppy when I first heard it in 1987, I remember saying it was 'unlistenable' - those were exact words, 'unlistenable'. But I was probably suffering from 'prog-itis' and maybe wanted something more like 'The Story Of i'. I've since warmed up to it and it sounds great. Great keyboards throughout. 'Black Brains Of Positronic Africa' is such a cool instrumental, those jazzy 'boards jump out atcha. There is still an element of fusion here, though the majority of the album is vocal. No Sleep Tonight, Beyond The Pleasure and Life In The Underworld are fine enough. There is an element of cheese on here, however - something about tracks like Overload or Shakin' With A Passion almost remind me of the canned music you could have heard in one of those 'pop' shows playing at an amusement park like Six Flags in one of those amphitheaters next to the dolphin show back in the mid/late 80's. 'Puttin; On The Hitz' or something. Or 80's Scooby Doo music, don't ask. Though not one of his best, I'm not so down on it now. Love the graphic art on it.

    ESQUIRE - s/t (1987):

    Well, not exactly from Yes members completely, though there was some involvement from Chris Squire, Alan White and perhaps Trevor Horn. This is Nikki Squire's band, and it has that bright 80's sound and vibrant sonics expected of 1987. Didn't get it at the time, but later I ended up really digging this first album - probably the best of the three they sporadically did, with decade(s) long gaps in between. Side one is great. To The Rescue is a fun opener, I love how it ends, how it lingers a bit with spacey keyboards for a extra seconds. Could have gone on for a full minute or two longer as far as I'm considered. Knock Twice For Heaven - Nikki in fine voice, also too short - ends where it could have had another repeat of the chorus. Last two cuts on side one - Up Down Turnaround and Blossomtime - excellent, with great panoramic keyboards. Blossomtime is sort of the epic of the album, and to my ears reminds me of Does It Really Happen? from Drama. Nice vibe and sound. The second half isn't as strong as the first, though the track Moving Together has some magic.

    Ok, so these examples I chose are from the 80's where a lot of the more 'poppier' Yes-related solo things surfaced, but there is more accessible material from really all eras of the bands existence from members both in and out of the band when they were released.

    I like Gates Of Delirium and Heart Of The Sunrise as much as the next Yes fan, but sometimes you gotta give some love to the more song/pop/hit single-leaning stuff out there from the Yes family, regardless of cheese factor.

    What are some of the more 'commercial' sounding albums from Yes members you have an ear for?

    #2
    Originally posted by Soundwaveseeker View Post
    This thread is more geared towards the more 'poppier' elements/albums from various Yes members that you may have an ear for. How you might define "pop" or accessible may vary, but here we're talking about albums where the material is maybe shorter, catchier, more '80's', with an eye towards the radio, maybe simpler or at least not exactly trying to present itself as a big concept thing, musically or lyrically. Some Yes alumni are more apt to make such an album than others. Jon Anderson and Chris Squire may have more of a bearing on that than say, Rick Wakeman.

    However, for this thread we'll stick to solo albums or maybe a few offshoots from Yes members - reason being is that accessible material from Yes themselves has already been covered here on the site many times, so leaving out the band proper avoids "Yes were always a pop band" or "Yes sold out" or "CTTE sold millions and it's not even pop, so it's not always about..." or "I don't like Trevor Rabin" etc. That's been done. Instead, we can focus on solo albums rather than on Yes. With the band, expectations are placed a little higher. With a solo album or project, there isn't as much emphasis on living up to these as often.

    Here are some of mine:

    JON ANDERSON- IN THE CITY OF ANGELS (1988):

    I remember this released in the spring of 1988, coming off of the high of Big Generator. Hold On To Love was the single, and I do remember hearing it on the radio. And on the rock station too, where it shared space with Guns & Roses and The Who and the like. I suppose it didn't play for long. But the sound quality on this album is very high and very clear. Jumps out of the speakers. A very R&B oriented album, with Motown great Lamont Dozier co-writing a couple tracks. Throw in members of TOTO in there, and you get a very accessible album. Great production, smooth, glossy. Take out Jon's voice and stick in Mariah Carey or Taylor Dane or somebody, and....chart hit. Especially the smoother ballads on side one. But it's not all smooth jazz and L.A. pop, it's still a very Jon album. Anthemic 'Hurry Home' seems to crop up on other Jon Anderson albums like Change We Must. Sundancing and New Civilization are peppy and bright. Glass Bead Game - almost like a Big Generator leftover, you almost hear Trevor Rabin on it. And I do really love Hold On To Love.

    PATRICK MORAZ - TIME CODE (1984):

    I found this album a bit too poppy when I first heard it in 1987, I remember saying it was 'unlistenable' - those were exact words, 'unlistenable'. But I was probably suffering from 'prog-itis' and maybe wanted something more like 'The Story Of i'. I've since warmed up to it and it sounds great. Great keyboards throughout. 'Black Brains Of Positronic Africa' is such a cool instrumental, those jazzy 'boards jump out atcha. There is still an element of fusion here, though the majority of the album is vocal. No Sleep Tonight, Beyond The Pleasure and Life In The Underworld are fine enough. There is an element of cheese on here, however - something about tracks like Overload or Shakin' With A Passion almost remind me of the canned music you could have heard in one of those 'pop' shows playing at an amusement park like Six Flags in one of those amphitheaters next to the dolphin show back in the mid/late 80's. 'Puttin; On The Hitz' or something. Or 80's Scooby Doo music, don't ask. Though not one of his best, I'm not so down on it now. Love the graphic art on it.

    ESQUIRE - s/t (1987):

    Well, not exactly from Yes members completely, though there was some involvement from Chris Squire, Alan White and perhaps Trevor Horn. This is Nikki Squire's band, and it has that bright 80's sound and vibrant sonics expected of 1987. Didn't get it at the time, but later I ended up really digging this first album - probably the best of the three they sporadically did, with decade(s) long gaps in between. Side one is great. To The Rescue is a fun opener, I love how it ends, how it lingers a bit with spacey keyboards for a extra seconds. Could have gone on for a full minute or two longer as far as I'm considered. Knock Twice For Heaven - Nikki in fine voice, also too short - ends where it could have had another repeat of the chorus. Last two cuts on side one - Up Down Turnaround and Blossomtime - excellent, with great panoramic keyboards. Blossomtime is sort of the epic of the album, and to my ears reminds me of Does It Really Happen? from Drama. Nice vibe and sound. The second half isn't as strong as the first, though the track Moving Together has some magic.

    Ok, so these examples I chose are from the 80's where a lot of the more 'poppier' Yes-related solo things surfaced, but there is more accessible material from really all eras of the bands existence from members both in and out of the band when they were released.

    I like Gates Of Delirium and Heart Of The Sunrise as much as the next Yes fan, but sometimes you gotta give some love to the more song/pop/hit single-leaning stuff out there from the Yes family, regardless of cheese factor.

    What are some of the more 'commercial' sounding albums from Yes members you have an ear for?
    None really. I don't like the compromises forced upon them, and with which they have complied, when they have stepped away from being genuinely progressive.
    I listen to a lot of pop music elsewhere so I don't require the band that was once at the forefront of progressive music, a long time ago, to do that. Same thing with Genesis after Hackett and Gabriel left. Zero interest.

    I'm a big fan of Saint Etienne, T.Rex, loads of singer-songwriters (I'm seeing Suzanne Vega on Tuesday), the Beatles, the Kinks, the Carpenters, Lou Reed, Patti Smith, Bowie, Iggy Pop, Edith Piaf, Frank Sinatra, Alison Moyet, The Byrds, UB40, and god's know how much more, but I don't expect them to try and do what Yes once did 50 years ago with experimentation in form and structure and sound design.

    Sometimes the lights all shining on me, other times I can barely see.
    Lately it occurs to me what a long strange trip it’s been.

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      #3
      Loved ITCOA at the time, but haven't listened to it for maybe a decade or so.

      There are some great 'pop' moments on Steve's Grand Scheme album, Blinded By Science comes to mind.

      But I have a soft place in my musical heart for Esquire. Still play that one from time to time.

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        #4
        I dig the Esquire album quite a bit. Also, “Top Of The World (Glass Bead Game)” from City of Angels is my freakin’ jam. It foreshadows the sound of ABWH.
        “Well ain’t life grand when you finally hit it?”-David Lee Roth

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          #5
          Originally posted by Frumious B View Post
          I dig the Esquire album quite a bit. Also, “Top Of The World (Glass Bead Game)” from City of Angels is my freakin’ jam. It foreshadows the sound of ABWH.
          The Glass Bead Game is a brilliant novel, though no easy read, and it ties In The City of Angels back to Close to the Edge and the same author's Siddhartha. I believe Hesse was awarded the Nobel Lit Prize for The Glass Bead Game.
          Sometimes the lights all shining on me, other times I can barely see.
          Lately it occurs to me what a long strange trip it’s been.

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            #6
            Esquire is great. I also like Open Your Eyes (to some degree anyway) and also in the city of angels.

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              #7
              Teakbois! 😎

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                #8
                Great to see love for Esquire’s self-titled debut. It’s not “progressive,” but neither is a lot of great music.

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                  #9
                  I really like pop (and even more as I get older, for some reason), so I don't care what style Yesmen play: prog, pop, whatever, as long as it's good. The problem is that Yes has never been *that* good at pop, except on 90125. They've tried to have hits, both with Yes and on solo stuff, and they've quite succeeded.

                  In comparison, Genesis was excellent at pop which is why I like many songs from "And then there were three" up to "We Can't Dance". (One of my favorite Genesis songs is "It's Gonna Get Better" which was, according to Mike Rutherford, inspired by Michael Jackson's "Human Nature".) Genesis was always more pop than Yes anyway, even with Gabriel. There's a pop song on every Genesis record, starting with "Harold The Barrell" on "Nursery Cryme".

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kenny View Post
                    Teakbois! 😎
                    Say what you want, but it's one of the few songs on that album that I can still listen to nowadays.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ash Armstrong View Post

                      The Glass Bead Game is a brilliant novel, though no easy read, and it ties In The City of Angels back to Close to the Edge and the same author's Siddhartha. I believe Hesse was awarded the Nobel Lit Prize for The Glass Bead Game.
                      Actually, the Nobel is awarded for an entire body of work, not for one specific book.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ash Armstrong View Post

                        The Glass Bead Game is a brilliant novel, though no easy read, and it ties In The City of Angels back to Close to the Edge and the same author's Siddhartha. I believe Hesse was awarded the Nobel Lit Prize for The Glass Bead Game.
                        Did Jon Anderson read all those books by himself? Some say he read a little but Vangelis read most of it.
                        Last edited by Gilly Goodness; 02-27-2023, 07:07 PM.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by michelforest View Post

                          Say what you want, but it's one of the few songs on that album that I can still listen to nowadays.
                          Me too. Today is Tuesday. So. Crankin' it up.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by michelforest View Post

                            Actually, the Nobel is awarded for an entire body of work, not for one specific book.
                            Actually, I'm quite aware of that, but The Glass Bead Game was his last novel, in 1943, and he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1946. The novel was cited, specifically, by the Nobel Academy at the time.
                            I read my way through pretty much all of his novels in the 80s, a couple of which - Steppenwolf, Demian - I've since read again, and Siddhartha I return to quite often.
                            Sometimes the lights all shining on me, other times I can barely see.
                            Lately it occurs to me what a long strange trip it’s been.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Soundwaveseeker View Post
                              Some Yes alumni are more apt to make such an album than others. Jon Anderson and Chris Squire may have more of a bearing on that than say, Rick Wakeman.
                              Wakeman has done plenty of pop. You've got his albums like Time Machine and Rock 'n' Roll Prophet, even some of A Gallery of the Imagination. And he's played on plenty of pop records by other people (Bowie, T Rex, Wally, The Fizz...).

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