CTTE : 50th Anniversary bosxet : is anything being released ??

[Twinarchers]

After the blu ray version what else do they have?? I could have used more isolated tracks instead of the needle drops tracks. I do hope for more blu rays in the future. Or maybe 4ks. Hard to keep up.

[Homemade Parachute]

Well, now that the topic has been completely misdirected, we can talk at least a little bit about David Foster Wallace's "Democracy, English, and the Wars over Usage" (https://harpers.org/wp-content/uploa...04-0070913.pdf), where he juggles the different goals of the grammar descriptivists and prescriptivists, before ultimately settling on

Probably the most attractive thing' about A Dictionary of Modern American Usage's Ethical Appeal, though, is Garner's scrupulous consideration' of the reader's concern about his (or her) own linguistic authority and rhetorical persona and ability to convince an Audience that he cares. Again and again, Garner frames his prescriptions in rhetorical terms, e.g.: "To the writer or speaker for whom credibility is important, it's a good idea to avoid distracting any readers or listeners."

I.e., while descriptivists indeed may be more interested in how people are currently using language, they haven't been able to deal with the full implications of it, and but so while you may use "could of", and can certainly find prior examples of it, it can also become a distraction to the argument you're trying to make, and so just like MW above says, you're better to avoid it, not because it's wrong, but because some of your audience will be distracted and perhaps take you less seriously, for no benefit.

(Not that DFW didn't have any verbal tics of his own or anything…)

[Ash Armstrong]

Not exactly

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whats-worse-than-coulda

it can be used as language is changing

As the entry on the site you link concludes:

"Our usage guide, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage, addresses this matter in some detail and provides a stark assessment: “you had better avoid it in your own writing.”

But you hadn't actually read it, had you, for if you had you might have paused long enough to perceive the substance of it?

[michelforest]

I could of swore Steve had the master tapes of going for the one or maybe Chris did

I'd be very much surprised. Master tapes belong to the record label and must be handed over as soon as recording is complete. Maybe Steve has copies (probably on stereo tape) of the original masters. But if it's not the original multitrack, there's nothing to be done with them.

Anybody knows if the additional material on the 2003 remaster comes from the source tape or from a copy? That would be a clue. (Maybe the info is in the booklet, but I don't have it in front of me right now.)

It's a shame if the original multitrack is lost, because of all the Yes albums, GFTO is the one that would benefit the most from a Wilson remix. This is a very badly mixed album.

[michelforest]

Oh yeah, I heard about the fire.

I know the tapes for GFTO are supposed to be missing, as it was considered for the Steven Wilson treatment but they couldn't find the tapes. That was a bummer! As to the other two albums, I had not heard that, but I would not be surprised. Henry, have you heard that about those two albums?

It is remarkable that record companies could be such poor stewards of something. I've long through it grossly unfair that they hold the rights to the material (I'm totally with Fripp on that one) and yet they turn around and just disregard it. I mean, anyone can have a fire, so I'm not judging them on that, but not to take care of product they own, even to the extent of knowing where it is? Sheesh. Of course, a lot of this stems from earlier times, before they realized they could keep rereleasing old recordings (especially in big deluxe box sets) to keep a permanent tap into the wallets of aging fans.... I'm sure there are many instances now where label execs are kicking themselves for these lost opportunities.

It's not just record companies. Here's something crazy: in the 70's, professional videotape used to record TV shows was very expensive. The BBC, in order to save money, decided at one point to erase the videos of the entire series of Monty Python Flying Circus. But someone tipped off Terry Gilliam and he managed to buy the tapes from the BBC. If he hadn't done that, one of the greatest TV series of all time would have disappeared! Can you imagine??

Here's another anecdote: in the early seventies, Impulse records decided to get rid of all the unreleased material in its vaults. They only kept the masters of the music released on LP. They literally threw away hours of unreleased material from, among others, John Coltrane. Hours and hours of priceless music from one of the greatest musicians of the 20th century went down the drain. However, John Coltrane usually asked the engineer at his sessions to make a "reference" copy of the master on stereo (or mono) tape, so he could listen to what he had recorded that day later on at home. Coltrane hang on to at least some of the tapes, which is why later on, some of the music presumed lost became available. But I bet the people at Impulse deeply regret throwing away the original tapes. At least Columbia didn't do that with Miles Davis.

[rabin105]

'could have'.
It's 'could have'!

Not exactly

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whats-worse-than-coulda

it can be used as language is changing

[Ash Armstrong]

I could of swore Steve had the master tapes of going for the one or maybe Chris did

'could have'.
It's 'could have'!

[rabin105]

I could of swore Steve had the master tapes of going for the one or maybe Chris did

[Olorin]

Not just Yes. Record companies are notoriously incompetent when it comes to taking of their master tapes. You'd think that they would be careful, but it's often not the case.

You may have heard of the 2008 fire that destroyed a huge batch of priceless master recordings. If not, you may want to read this. Careful. it's very sad:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/m...ecordings.html

In 1978, Atlantic records lots thousands of reels of unreleased material by Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, Ray Charles, etc. when the warehouse where they were stored caught fire.

As for Yes, aren't the master tapes for "Going for the One", "Tormato" and "Drama" missing?

Oh yeah, I heard about the fire.

I know the tapes for GFTO are supposed to be missing, as it was considered for the Steven Wilson treatment but they couldn't find the tapes. That was a bummer! As to the other two albums, I had not heard that, but I would not be surprised. Henry, have you heard that about those two albums?

It is remarkable that record companies could be such poor stewards of something. I've long through it grossly unfair that they hold the rights to the material (I'm totally with Fripp on that one) and yet they turn around and just disregard it. I mean, anyone can have a fire, so I'm not judging them on that, but not to take care of product they own, even to the extent of knowing where it is? Sheesh. Of course, a lot of this stems from earlier times, before they realized they could keep rereleasing old recordings (especially in big deluxe box sets) to keep a permanent tap into the wallets of aging fans.... I'm sure there are many instances now where label execs are kicking themselves for these lost opportunities.

[michelforest]

I’d guess certainly they would’ve filmed the whole show, and trimmed out what they didn’t want in the final product. Presumably all the source recordings still exist but on the other hand, things get lost and Yes recordings haven’t always seemed to have the most reliable stewards.

Not just Yes. Record companies are notoriously incompetent when it comes to taking of their master tapes. You'd think that they would be careful, but it's often not the case.

You may have heard of the 2008 fire that destroyed a huge batch of priceless master recordings. If not, you may want to read this. Careful. it's very sad:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/m...ecordings.html

In 1978, Atlantic records lots thousands of reels of unreleased material by Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, Ray Charles, etc. when the warehouse where they were stored caught fire.

As for Yes, aren't the master tapes for "Going for the One", "Tormato" and "Drama" missing?

[Ash Armstrong]

Polystyrene Prayer Squares? 😉

Arriving UFO frisbees...

[Gilly Goodness]

Well *something* has to fill up all the space in the Jonbox…

Polystyrene Prayer Squares? 😉

[Homemade Parachute]

That'll be blank CDs and empty boxes then.

Well *something* has to fill up all the space in the Jonbox…

[madbear]

I'd still like a GOOD 90125 or Big Generator release.

That'll be blank CDs and empty boxes then. Or possibly an EP with all the Owner remixes on

[Olorin]

I’d guess certainly they would’ve filmed the whole show, and trimmed out what they didn’t want in the final product. Presumably all the source recordings still exist but on the other hand, things get lost and Yes recordings haven’t always seemed to have the most reliable stewards.