Q: Steve Howe has no "guitar heir"...Is Yes "done" after Steve's done?

[Mr. Holland]

What the deuce has Warren Buffet ever done that is so awful? The dude is brilliant. I’m a fan. Given that I had an Apple IIe at age 12, an iPhone 13 in my pocket and an iPad Air in my hand I’m probably more of a Steve Jobs guy, but Bill Gates is alright by me too.

In my book excessive wealth is a bad thing, no matter how you turn it, no matter who has it, no matter how they got it. Buffet, Gates are part of that 1% that owe 50% of the world's wealth. It's completely crazy. Since the cosmos is always in balance, it means there are always other people paying the price for that excessive wealth, no matter how good, honest and whatever some of these billionaires might be (which is also an illusion, because nine out of ten times one of their companies somewhere is wringing out its employees).

I also don't believe in the "they worked so hard, they are such exceptional people/talents, they are such self made men". You know what research show is the greatest contributing factor to whether you end up "successful" in life? Your zipcode. Yes, where you were born, the country, the city, the neighbourhood, the street, the house and the opportunities or none opportunities that arise from that. "You're own doing" is pretty low on that list.

Wealth should be distributed much more evenly, preferably by taxes. That top 1% should pay the top percentage in taxes.

[Frumious B]

It is a great error to say that America (or Britain )have free market capitalist economies. We have a form of authoritarian corporatism where the big companies dominate because small businesses can compete due to excessive regulation.

It's not just Russian oligarchs who are the tyrants. We do have our own - notably Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros and their corporate cronies in the World Economic Forum. They, through their political puppets like Biden, want to control our lives by taking away our freedoms. They call it The Great Reset, I call it fascism.

What the deuce has Warren Buffet ever done that is so awful? The dude is brilliant. I’m a fan. Given that I had an Apple IIe at age 12, an iPhone 13 in my pocket and an iPad Air in my hand I’m probably more of a Steve Jobs guy, but Bill Gates is alright by me too.

[Frumious B]

That lots of parties are insufficiently imaginative to come up with a better slogan is not proof of a global conspiracy, Kenny.

A hundred years ago, there was a hot conspiracy theory about shadowy global financiers and their puppet politicians. We know what happened next.

Biden plagiarized a whole campaign speech from Neil Kinnock back in the 80s. So it’s not like he’s above borrowing stuff.

[bondegezou]

Joe Biden's campaign slogan


Boris Johnson at the Conservative Party conference



Britain's Liberal Democrats launch policy document



Great title for the next Yes album! 😂

That lots of parties are insufficiently imaginative to come up with a better slogan is not proof of a global conspiracy, Kenny.

A hundred years ago, there was a hot conspiracy theory about shadowy global financiers and their puppet politicians. We know what happened next.

[luvyesmusic]

Build Kenny Back Better. :-)

[Kenny]

Joe Biden's campaign slogan


Boris Johnson at the Conservative Party conference



Britain's Liberal Democrats launch policy document



Great title for the next Yes album! 😂

[Kenny]

I hope you are recovered from your illness, Kenny!



I call references to the World Economic Forum, George Soros, the "Great Reset" and "puppets" all hallmarks of a conspiracy theory. Please return to reality soon.

The Great Reset on WEF website – https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

Build Back Better on WEF website – https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...lism-heres-how

The G7

[luvyesmusic]

So it's possible that there could be a "Yes" even after Steve Howe is not part of it, but I think you'll have to search to find them at the fair. And somewhere there will be a forum where we can remember them and discuss the great albums, and then forget the subject and debate the latest political topics.

You do realize that political discussions/differences are now on most platforms are monitored, censored and silenced, so there is no true discussions, or true education of the facts, or lack there of, and then you throw in the bots, so that many folks/differing options and truths/facts are silenced. Just like in China.

YES-fans.com most likely would have died off a long time ago, except for the few who only focus on YES-music, and past and present members, without some other discussions, friendships and differing options along the way. In fact, I am really rooting for John and this play to carry on. I don't know what the numbers are, but you need more folks to join and chime in to grow the base here, and it's looking even smaller than ever here.

I would love to see more reviews of the live shows, ( and other postings and thread starters if I am being honest ) from others/newbies, which will be different from the usual suspects of this show was great, or this show sucked without Peter Banks. :-)

[luvyesmusic]

Let's face it. Not only are many members of our favorite bands retired, and/or dead, many of the fans are retired from going out, and/or dead as well.

Throw in in fixed incomes, rising prices, changing priorities, medical conditions , tour insurance and visa costs, the pandemic, aggressive procedures to attend, the pandemic, the fact that people will be scared and frightened forever, it's not looking good for many groups, shows, bookings, and promoters. We are fortunate to get what we can.

It is a changing world! However, my daughter will be going to show three in three months with her friends next week, which is a great thing to support the artists and their music she enjoys. Music still lives.

[True]

We have often referred to Wakeman's comment many years ago, in one of the Yes documentaries about there being a "Yes", long after the classic band was no more. I think it's interesting that this transition has largely happened before Wakeman's eyes (and ours). I wonder if he thought he would actually watch this transition happen, and I wonder how he feels about it.
This sort of transition is not unheard of. Today you can go and see Blood Sweat and Tears or Humble Pie now and then, who have no original members in the group - not to mention some famous acts from the 50's in name only. Also all of the bands with perhaps one classic member remaining, such as Foreigner or Three Dog Night. The thing that these acts have in common is you are more likely to see them at a fair or small theater than you would at a major venue. So it's possible that there could be a "Yes" even after Steve Howe is not part of it, but I think you'll have to search to find them at the fair. And somewhere there will be a forum where we can remember them and discuss the great albums, and then forget the subject and debate the latest political topics.

[bondegezou]

I hope you are recovered from your illness, Kenny!

It is a great error to say that America (or Britain )have free market capitalist economies. We have a form of authoritarian corporatism where the big companies dominate because small businesses can compete due to excessive regulation.

It's not just Russian oligarchs who are the tyrants. We do have our own - notably Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros and their corporate cronies in the World Economic Forum. They, through their political puppets like Biden, want to control our lives by taking away our freedoms. They call it The Great Reset, I call it fascism.

I call references to the World Economic Forum, George Soros, the "Great Reset" and "puppets" all hallmarks of a conspiracy theory. Please return to reality soon.

[Kenny]

It’s so interesting to observe a bunch of folks here get their tail feathers ruffled by my comments about capitalism and not consider the way we actually do capitalism. As if there’s only one way. I’d ask you Kenny, how free is our so called free market capitalism? How free is our so called free press, which is inextricably linked to our free market capitalism? How free has our so called democratic government been to actually enforce anti-trust laws, which were actually installed to prevent the kind of bs we’ve seen gain more traction decade after decade. Any system can move towards tyranny and authoritarianism. Take a look at the world, the new tyrants are billionaire oligarchs and we’ve got our version of that in the good old USA. Those billionaire oligarchs are calling the shots as to how our free market is actually working. You good with that?

It is a great error to say that America (or Britain )have free market capitalist economies. We have a form of authoritarian corporatism where the big companies dominate because small businesses can compete due to excessive regulation.

It's not just Russian oligarchs who are the tyrants. We do have our own - notably Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros and their corporate cronies in the World Economic Forum. They, through their political puppets like Biden, want to control our lives by taking away our freedoms. They call it The Great Reset, I call it fascism.

[Kenny]

I suggest a biography of Dmitri Shostakovich would demonstrate that music under communism was not all terrible. The Soviet and Chinese authorities at times sought to suppress rock and pop music, but not always. The Soviet prog rock band Horizont might appear to Yes fans. Music can thrive and has thrived in many contexts. Indeed, communism/Marxism is not the only alternative to capitalism, and music has thrived under all sorts of systems around the world and down through the millennia.

But my point was not to critique capitalism. It was to point out that who gets to call themselves "Yes" is part and parcel of a set of broader rules that govern society.

Illness has prevented from replying sooner.

The music under Communism was not all terrible but a lot of it was controlled by the Soviets and The Communist Party. Shostakovich was one of the Russian composers whose works were denounced (e.g. Zhdanov decree) or condemned by the authorities. Pravda was also very critical of his works. Prokofiev and others received similar treatment. It's not surprising that several Russian composers fled to the West to escape persecution and enjoy creative freedom.

It is no coincidence that rock and pop music has thrived the most in countries with relatively free economies and societies, notably America and Britain. Sadly, the woke political and cancel culture threatens, through censorship, our cultural freedoms and creative diversity. We must now conform to the authoritarian rules of the elite that has taken over our institutions and large corporations, notably Big Tech and anti-social media..

[Somis Sound]

The plan is for the Relayer tour to come to the US in 2023.

Wonder if they'll get Moraz in the mix as those keyboard parts are out of this world. Geoff didn't seem to mind jamming with Tony on the 50th... But that is good news, look forward to hearing the whole album !

[Gtkgasman]

The plan is for the Relayer tour to come to the US in 2023.

Good to hear!

On the topic- I would have no problem with the retirement of the Yes name when Steve is done…..Unless JA uses it.