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    Originally posted by bondegezou View Post

    A label does make it so (within the structures of modern capitalism, with which you are free to disagree).
    We’re talking apples and oranges. I’m referring to the music and one could make a very compelling case that the cold, calculating strictures of capitalism have debased and degraded the music that is produced by the music industry. Thank god for independent platforms and musicians being able to release their own music.

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      Originally posted by Enlighten View Post
      We’re talking apples and oranges. I’m referring to the music and one could make a very compelling case that the cold, calculating strictures of capitalism have debased and degraded the music that is produced by the music industry. Thank god for independent platforms and musicians being able to release their own music.
      Independent platforms and musicians being able to release their own music still have to follow the same rules over who gets to use what band name. You may have an argument that capitalism hasn't been great for music. You may disagree with the rules. I just feel it's worth noting that the rules over who gets to use what band name, based on a capitalist notion that basically a band name is a resource that can be bought and sold, Absolutely Matter.

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        Originally posted by bondegezou View Post

        Independent platforms and musicians being able to release their own music still have to follow the same rules over who gets to use what band name. You may have an argument that capitalism hasn't been great for music. You may disagree with the rules. I just feel it's worth noting that the rules over who gets to use what band name, based on a capitalist notion that basically a band name is a resource that can be bought and sold, Absolutely Matter.
        But but but it’s not Jon Anderson and it’s not the 70’s so it’s not yes


        see there I have taken the usual argument skipped a few steps and put what inevitably is the final argument from no Jon no yessers so you guys don’t have to


        back to the question at hand Fernando Perdomo sounded great Sunday night

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          Originally posted by bondegezou View Post

          Independent platforms and musicians being able to release their own music still have to follow the same rules over who gets to use what band name. You may have an argument that capitalism hasn't been great for music. You may disagree with the rules. I just feel it's worth noting that the rules over who gets to use what band name, based on a capitalist notion that basically a band name is a resource that can be bought and sold, Absolutely Matter.
          The equity in a band name comes from money that fans are willing to spend. The choice is to buy an album or a ticket or to not buy one. I would argue that rock music never would have existed in the first place without capitalism.
          “Well ain’t life grand when you finally hit it?”-David Lee Roth

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            In days of yore, musicians and actors were paid in kind. Lodgin's. Chickens. Mead. The very good ones won royal patronage. The King's Men of whom Willy Waggle Dagger was one, for example.. This allowed him to devote his time completely to writin' and memorisin' thousands of lines a month. Of his and other writers. Theatre owners of which WWD was one also made money by chargin' a tiered system of tickets. So anybody could roll up for 3 hours durin' their day of servitude and expect to get a ticket. High prices for seats. Cheap prices to stand in front as a groundlin'. So from entertain' a court, the same works could be performed for the masses. You have to cover all the costs of the production, esp. Costumes and prop machinery. Amateurs still performed locally for religious festivals and special feast days.

            So unless your favourite musician wants to perform for free, you have to pay the piper. And his landlord, manager, personal assistant, PR person, masseuse, publishin' company. It has been a business for centuries.

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              I agree that Jon Anderson would try to reform Yes if Steve Howe retires. And that is so tragic.

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                Originally posted by HankCPA View Post
                I agree that Jon Anderson would try to reform Yes if Steve Howe retires. And that is so tragic.
                What would be so tragic about it?

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                  Originally posted by HankCPA View Post
                  I agree that Jon Anderson would try to reform Yes if Steve Howe retires. And that is so tragic.
                  'reform Yes' in the sense of assembling a group of musicians to play Yesmusic live, presumably, rather than a soon-to-be-78-year-old attempting to put together a viable, creative group of like-minded musicians to make new music for however long he still has? Talk sense man!

                  No one individual still living has more right to put together a band to play classic Yesmusic than Jon Anderson, and to call it Yes. No one.
                  Sometimes the lights all shining on me, other times I can barely see.
                  Lately it occurs to me what a long strange trip it’s been.

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                    The problem with Anderson just calling it Yes is that there has been a Yes touring for 14 years without him and he would want folks to know that he is in it. Something like Jon Anderson Visions of Yes sounds cooler than to me than Yes Featuring Jon Anderson or Jon Anderson’s Yes. His upcoming tour is called Yes Epics and Classics Featuring Jon Anderson. I like Visions of Yes better.
                    “Well ain’t life grand when you finally hit it?”-David Lee Roth

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                      Originally posted by Frumious B View Post
                      The problem with Anderson just calling it Yes is that there has been a Yes touring for 14 years without him and he would want folks to know that he is in it. Something like Jon Anderson Visions of Yes sounds cooler than to me than Yes Featuring Jon Anderson or Jon Anderson’s Yes. His upcoming tour is called Yes Epics and Classics Featuring Jon Anderson. I like Visions of Yes better.
                      I don't really care whether he does or not, to be honest, but he could if he chose to. But it's probably academic: after this forthcoming Band Geeks tour I'm not expecting him to be this active again. His hammock beckons...
                      Sometimes the lights all shining on me, other times I can barely see.
                      Lately it occurs to me what a long strange trip it’s been.

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                        Originally posted by Enlighten View Post

                        We’re talking apples and oranges. I’m referring to the music and one could make a very compelling case that the cold, calculating strictures of capitalism have debased and degraded the music that is produced by the music industry. Thank god for independent platforms and musicians being able to release their own music.
                        Without capitalism, there would be no music industry. Name a Communist country, or one governed by Marxists, that has had a thriving music industry. The Soviet and Chinese authorities sought to suppress rock and pop music.

                        The alternative to free market capitalism is totalitarian crap. Under socialism, music is a tool to enforce obedience and subservience to the ruling classes' authoritarian ideology and their privileged lifestyle.

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                          Originally posted by Ash Armstrong View Post

                          I don't really care whether he does or not, to be honest, but he could if he chose to. But it's probably academic: after this forthcoming Band Geeks tour I'm not expecting him to be this active again. His hammock beckons...
                          Shrug…we don’t know what his bank account looks like or what his overall health is. IMHO as long as he can sound this good singing “And You And I” there is absolutely no reason for him to stop:

                          Folks keep shuffling Anderson and Howe off the stage to retirement, but I get the sense that they are both going to keep going as long as they can until something unforeseen forces them to stop. It seems like music is just what they do. Could they be happy without it?
                          “Well ain’t life grand when you finally hit it?”-David Lee Roth

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                            Originally posted by Kenny View Post

                            Without capitalism, there would be no music industry. Name a Communist country, or one governed by Marxists, that has had a thriving music industry. The Soviet and Chinese authorities sought to suppress rock and pop music.

                            The alternative to free market capitalism is totalitarian crap. Under socialism, music is a tool to enforce obedience and subservience to the ruling classes' authoritarian ideology and their privileged lifestyle.
                            It’s so interesting to observe a bunch of folks here get their tail feathers ruffled by my comments about capitalism and not consider the way we actually do capitalism. As if there’s only one way. I’d ask you Kenny, how free is our so called free market capitalism? How free is our so called free press, which is inextricably linked to our free market capitalism? How free has our so called democratic government been to actually enforce anti-trust laws, which were actually installed to prevent the kind of bs we’ve seen gain more traction decade after decade. Any system can move towards tyranny and authoritarianism. Take a look at the world, the new tyrants are billionaire oligarchs and we’ve got our version of that in the good old USA. Those billionaire oligarchs are calling the shots as to how our free market is actually working. You good with that?

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                              Billionaires are individual people too. Silly to paint them as evil thieves or whatever. McCartney is worth $1.5 billion. I guess he’s stealing from me by continuing to sell me Beatles crap.

                              And “oh no!”…I ordered it on Amazon.
                              “Well ain’t life grand when you finally hit it?”-David Lee Roth

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                                Originally posted by Gilly Goodness View Post
                                In days of yore, musicians and actors were paid in kind. Lodgin's. Chickens. Mead. The very good ones won royal patronage. The King's Men of whom Willy Waggle Dagger was one, for example.. This allowed him to devote his time completely to writin' and memorisin' thousands of lines a month. Of his and other writers. Theatre owners of which WWD was one also made money by chargin' a tiered system of tickets. So anybody could roll up for 3 hours durin' their day of servitude and expect to get a ticket. High prices for seats. Cheap prices to stand in front as a groundlin'. So from entertain' a court, the same works could be performed for the masses. You have to cover all the costs of the production, esp. Costumes and prop machinery. Amateurs still performed locally for religious festivals and special feast days.

                                So unless your favourite musician wants to perform for free, you have to pay the piper. And his landlord, manager, personal assistant, PR person, masseuse, publishin' company. It has been a business for centuries.
                                It has been a business for millennia, not just centuries. That said, rules around intellectual property are much more recent, in particular rules saying designated songwriters get income from a song and a band name is a thing that can be owned, bought and sold.

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