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    #31
    It's funny - back in 2001 after OYE and The Ladder, I'd more or less given up hope we were going to get music up to the same quality as the 70s material. While it's not universally excellent, Magnification does make it into my most cherished of Yes albums, While it's not as cutting edge I think it does hold up quality wise with tracks I would not be shamed to compare with their classics.

    Shame it was such a false new dawn.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Oldie on the Goldie View Post
      ITPO is one of my all-time favorites and I always thought of it as an epic (or at least a mini-epic) so that's why I included it in my list. It certainly has the grandeur and feel of a Yes epic, if not the run time.
      Well, this thread was going for the side-longs, but I suppose we could rank mini-epics too. Yes has long songs on every album, so any ranking list for 'long' or 'mini-epics' would be like Rank All Non-Short Yes Songs and would have 50+ songs. We could do a top ten 'Mini-Epics' and keep it 9 minutes plus. I could say:

      Mini-Epix in no particular order:

      1) And You And I
      2) To Be Over
      3) Sound Chaser
      4) Starship Trooper
      5) Hear Of The Sunrise
      6) In The Presence Of
      7) Footprints
      8) Machine Messiah
      9) New Language
      10) Dreamtime

      Indeed In The Presence Of has more of the feel of an epic ('movements' for example) than say Your Is No Disgrace or Roundabout, which are more like epic long songs which also go through a lot of 'sections' too though. Actually if you think of Dreamtime and ITPO as one song - part one and part two - that actually could be kind of an epic side-long. They are paired nicely - two ten minuters - on the album, kind of a two-movement symphony, like Shubert's Unfinished Symphony. That may work.
      Last edited by Soundwaveseeker; 04-28-2022, 05:56 AM.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Soundwaveseeker View Post
        Yes has long songs on every album,
        Apart from the ambient track, the longest song on OYE is 6:16. The longest songs on the first two albums are 6:47 and 6:31.

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          #34
          When was it that longer pieces of music, by Yes or anyone else, came to categorised as 'epics', or mini-epics for that matter? Is it the internet and forums that gave rise to that designation? Never really regarded them as such myself, certainly not back in the 1970s, and I'm not attracted to dropping the longer-than-the-popular-norm pieces into such a category, particularly as it seems only their unorthodox length that sees them called that?
          No one ever did that with jazz pieces, for example... I can't see it as valid or accurate to do so, and I personally have tried to avoid doing so.

          For the record (no pun intended), I've usually regarded Tales as one piece of music in four parts. Compositionally, they were thinking of, and their thinking was constrained by, a side of an LP, or four sides of a double LP, and that's perfectly ok but it has suited my personal take on such things to regard it and listen to it as one piece of music. You'll perhaps note that I tend to refer to Yes 'songs' that are extended or long-form compositions as 'pieces' rather than songs anyway. I would call Coltrane's A Love Supreme as a song either.
          Not trying to tell anyone anything other than how they choose to see it, but I see it differently. That's all.


          Sometimes the lights all shining on me, other times I can barely see.
          Lately it occurs to me what a long strange trip it’s been.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Oldie on the Goldie View Post
            ITPO is one of my all-time favorites and I always thought of it as an epic (or at least a mini-epic) so that's why I included it in my list. It certainly has the grandeur and feel of a Yes epic, if not the run time.
            100% subjective and not at all technical on my part here, but I think the "feel" of Yes epics has less to do with length, and more to do with maybe a more narrative or cinematic quality: "Close to the Edge" and "And You And I" feel like a journey or a narrative that starts somewhere, develops, restates the theme, and concludes in a different place — you've *been* somewhere listening to those; "Siberian Khatru" doesn't, which doesn't make it any less of a song, but it doesn't feel "epic" in scope. "Awaken" feels like an epic, both musically and lyrically through restatement, "Gates of Delirium" quite literally; some of the TfTO songs maybe less so. "Soundchaser" and "To Be Over", less so as well. "In the Presence Of", absolutely, but "Mind Drive", at twice the length, not so much.

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              #36
              Seriously now, all this about mini-epics and epics and longer-than-a-regular-length-song, whatever a longer-than-a-regular-length even is, and what qualifies as an 'epic' is really all just for a thread here - basically just the question of what's your favorite song by Yes that takes up a whole side or most of a side. I didn't want to get too much into defining this or that, it was just: rank the 'epic'(called "epic" here for the sake of the thread, but I didn't coin it. Just goin' along with frequently used terminology). Whether a track is long or short or longer than another long track or whether it sounds more "epic" than another musically involved track of whatever length really has nothing to do with the quality or validity of the music, and I'm ok with myself or someone else calling a song or piece of music an 'epic' or 'mini-epic' for the sake of talking about the side-long tracks.

              Prior to the internet or rock & prog magazines I never heard the word 'epic' applied to any of these groups, I just thought of them as the long song that takes up side X of whichever album. We all know brackets and definitions and labels are not always desirable or even accurate, but for the sake of the topic, epic = song that takes up all or most of an album side. Tales can be seen as one piece, that's fine - it was written to be one work. So if one wants to count all of Topographic Oceans as an 'epic', that's fine, or one could rank the separate movements.

              As for long songs on OYE, T&W or the first album - some may consider 6 minutes to be long. My dad says anything over 3 or 4 minutes is way too long, but he's mainly into doo-wop (an excellent genre itself and worthy of a thread of its own), and stuff like that. I'm waiting for the Yes 'vignettes' album. They've done the side-long epics, how about an Abbey-Road type album of songs 45 seconds to 4 minutes long, strung-together type album? I'm for it.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Soundwaveseeker View Post

                Well, this thread was going for the side-longs, but I suppose we could rank mini-epics too. Yes has long songs on every album, so any ranking list for 'long' or 'mini-epics' would be like Rank All Non-Short Yes Songs and would have 50+ songs. We could do a top ten 'Mini-Epics' and keep it 9 minutes plus. I could say:

                Mini-Epix in no particular order:

                1) And You And I
                2) To Be Over
                3) Sound Chaser
                4) Starship Trooper
                5) Hear Of The Sunrise
                6) In The Presence Of
                7) Footprints
                8) Machine Messiah
                9) New Language
                10) Dreamtime

                Indeed In The Presence Of has more of the feel of an epic ('movements' for example) than say Your Is No Disgrace or Roundabout, which are more like epic long songs which also go through a lot of 'sections' too though. Actually if you think of Dreamtime and ITPO as one song - part one and part two - that actually could be kind of an epic side-long. They are paired nicely - two ten minuters - on the album, kind of a two-movement symphony, like Shubert's Unfinished Symphony. That may work.
                Points taken. My list of top mini-epix would be pretty close to yours.

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                  #38
                  10. Fly From Here Suite
                  9. The Remembering
                  8. Ancient
                  7. Mind Drive
                  6. The Revealing Science of God
                  5. Ritual
                  4. Endless Dream
                  3. Awaken
                  2. Close To The Edge
                  1. Gates of Delirium

                  I have to say it feels weird leaving out things like Starship Trooper, In the Presence of, Homeworld (the ladder), And You And I , Heart of the Sunrise and Sound Chaser.
                  Last edited by Soundchaser413; 04-28-2022, 05:58 PM.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by yamishogun View Post

                    Apart from the ambient track, the longest song on OYE is 6:16. The longest songs on the first two albums are 6:47 and 6:31.
                    What about Tormato, 90125 and Union? No real long songs on those either.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Soundchaser413 View Post

                      What about Tormato, 90125 and Union? No real long songs on those either.
                      That kinda was like the 7 minute era. Tormato, skip Drama, 90125, Big Generator and Union all had their longest tracks at 7 minutes and some change. All good tracks too, some of which maybe the best on the album. It's time for Yes to play On The Silent Wings of Freedom and Hearts on tour this time. I'm for it.

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                        #41
                        FWIW, which I expect to be about zero, a quick check of 10+ minute songs in the Yes studio camp reveals 16 songs, with "And You And I" just making the cutoff at 10:12, and "Gift of Love" just missing it at 9:57, for a total playing time of 4:15:00. A similar scan of 10+ minute Marillion songs in the Hogarth era alone (surprisingly, being strict with the Fish era would only add Grendel) reveals 17 songs, for a total playing time of 4:01:00. Put them together and you have the best/worst family driving playlist ever…

                        (Naturally both of these would be dwarfed by any respectable Miles Davis (68-75) or Keith Jarrett playlist, say, but so it goes…)

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                          #42
                          My ranking with a descending order would be:

                          11) "The Revealing Science of God (Dance of the Dawn)": While it's a really good song that opens the album in a perfect way, compared to the rest of the epics, it is much less structured.
                          10) "That, That Is": Another pretty good one. The first and the last movements are some of the best moments of Yes there are but the middle portions don't hold a candle to songs above it.
                          9) "The Gates of Delirium": Probably the lowest you'll see this song. And while it's definitely better than the two songs below it, I do not think that it can go higher though, while being as great as it is.
                          8) "Awaken": I don't listen to this much often but it's a pretty good ride every time. Though I'm ranking the studio versions here. But if we were talking about live versions than the ARW versions would definitely boost the song up a few places.
                          7) "Ritual (Nous Sommes Du Soleil)": Probably the song on Tales from Topographic Oceans that feels like the most band-y. Though just like "Awaken", I much prefer listening to the live versions of this song, specifically Symphonic Live and Songs from Tsongas.
                          6) "Mind Drive": I haven't heard this in quite some time but it's always a blast to listen to and definitely one of my favourite songs of the band.
                          5) "Fly From Here Suite": Yes, I'm including the songs as a suite. But I just have to because I always listen to the full suite when I want to listen to a part of it. But this and above are some of my favourites of the band so don't think that I don't like it or something.
                          4) "The Remembering (High the Memory)": I used to not like this all that much and if it was like a few months ago, this definitely would've been at the bottom of my list. But it's such a good journey that I can't put it any lower. But yeah, this song is definitely and experience.
                          3) "Close to the Edge": Yes, this is NOT number 1 as most would expect but it was once a while. And I don't even need to talk about this because you already know why everyone loves it so much.
                          2-1) "The Ancient (Giants Under the Sun)" = "Endless Dream": I know that you're gonna be like "Wha? Why do you have these two at the same line?". And my answer to that is that both of these epics are in a sense "equal" to me. And both of these represent the peak of the band for me, one with Steve and one with Rabin. Buuut, I will probably make a post talking about these two ones so the things I've said here are all you need to know.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Ash Armstrong View Post
                            When was it that longer pieces of music, by Yes or anyone else, came to categorised as 'epics', or mini-epics for that matter? Is it the internet and forums that gave rise to that designation? Never really regarded them as such myself, certainly not back in the 1970s, and I'm not attracted to dropping the longer-than-the-popular-norm pieces into such a category, particularly as it seems only their unorthodox length that sees them called that?
                            No one ever did that with jazz pieces, for example... I can't see it as valid or accurate to do so, and I personally have tried to avoid doing so.

                            For the record (no pun intended), I've usually regarded Tales as one piece of music in four parts. Compositionally, they were thinking of, and their thinking was constrained by, a side of an LP, or four sides of a double LP, and that's perfectly ok but it has suited my personal take on such things to regard it and listen to it as one piece of music. You'll perhaps note that I tend to refer to Yes 'songs' that are extended or long-form compositions as 'pieces' rather than songs anyway. I would call Coltrane's A Love Supreme as a song either.
                            Not trying to tell anyone anything other than how they choose to see it, but I see it differently. That's all.

                            The long post-big-band jazz songs are generally a tune, played twice, then everyone gets to improvise over the chords a couple of times, and then we play the tune again.

                            There's a Big Band work that qualifies as a mini-epic: In the Mood. I prefer the longer 6-1/2 minute version from Artie Shaw . . .

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Soundwaveseeker View Post

                              That kinda was like the 7 minute era. Tormato, skip Drama, 90125, Big Generator and Union all had their longest tracks at 7 minutes and some change. All good tracks too, some of which maybe the best on the album. It's time for Yes to play On The Silent Wings of Freedom and Hearts on tour this time. I'm for it.
                              That would be good. I no longer have interest in seeing the band live but I hope they do it for the fans who don't mind seeing a different Jon on stage.

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                                #45
                                for me

                                1. Endless Dream
                                2. Fly From Here
                                3. Close to the edge
                                4. Mind Drive
                                5. Revealing Science of God
                                6. Gates of Delirium
                                7. Ritual
                                8. the Gift of love: I am seeing a few others putting one mini epic in and I wanted to put Chris's last one in because it really is hauntingly beautiful
                                9. The Remembering
                                10. That That Is
                                11. The Ancient



                                I still wonder what Horizons sounds like as the fact there is a 20 minute yes epic with Squire on bass sigh

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