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    Originally posted by alex peters View Post

    Relax Mr. Somis Sound. MR. luvyesmusic said Anderson went into the hospital for 3 or 4 days after the Philly show. I said he was mistaken as Jon did 3 shows in the next 5 days after the Philly show and then another show that month in March and then 3 days in a row on April 8, 9, and 10 in California in 3 different cities .

    He was mistaken. The post you reference is basically all factual.. No conspiracy theory.. Just alot of coincidence


    The rest of what you are saying is all hearsay hearsay hearsay
    Jon was very ill for a long time. There is no disputing that. That is a fact, whether you want to believe it or not. Again, I have been a breath a way from Jon on a few occasions, and front row many others. I listened to and observed the man. I was in tune with his singing. I watched when he was in bad shape, and when he was recovering/improving on subsequent recordings. I listened to, felt his pain, when he told the audience what he went through.

    What I actually wrote was my timeline was vague ( it has been quite a while ) and it would be nice to go back and look at some of the old posts and threads on the old YES-fans com. ( I'm pretty sure there were some cancelled shows and posts about them by folks who were suppose to go)had tickets ). I actually wrote that he went into the hospital a day or two after the Philly show. Then about four days later, he spent three or four days in the hospital.

    Did I get actual updates on his hospitalizations and surgery/surgeries from Paul, Janee, Deborah, Jade or Damion? Of course not. Folks shared what was known. or appropriate to share. Of course actual details were sparse because it was really none of our buisness, say for missed shows, and then even then.

    Going back and revisiting things like the tour, Jon's illness, or anything for that matter is wasted energy. Like someone told me recently, he couldn't be in two places in history at once. ( Can you be two places at once in the now. You certainly can. I once was so relaxed leading and winning a motorcycle race, that I actually had an out of body experience, where I came up out of myself, watching me ride my bike and navigate the corners while I was above and behind myself-sounds like one of Jon's dimension stories, doesn't it? Truth! ) Are we privy to all actual facts when it comes to one of our favorite bands, and all the individuals involved? Absolutely not! As someone recently posted "pure speculation". What we do know it was a gamble to begin with with the size of the venues, Jon became ill, and then very ill, and the tour didn't happen.

    Look, I tend to simmer quite a bit with all the stupidity that goes on around me, and within the country, and much if the world, my wife, bad drivers, etc, etc . I can talk and explain things, Alex, but I never try to constantly butt heads. It's no good for anyone. Do I feel it's right that you were called all kinds of names, and folks felt they were entitled to on another thread/,threads? Absolutely not. I do like how you came back and wouldn't put up with any crap, but there is a time and a place Would I think twice if I had to put someone down, or hold them until authorities came back in my younger days when I was fit, trained strong, and had great reflexes? Absolutely not. But that is ALWAYS last resort. Talking, negotiating, being diplomatic, trying to put yourself in someone else's shoes, redirecting energy and coming into situations in a calm manner is always best. That goes for anyone. And if course there are times when you come across low i q., violent folks, sometimes on something where it is best to just avoid. Always evaluate situations, and safety, and do what is best.

    And when it comes to this place, which use to be full of amazing and of course really diverse good people at one time ( and it is fantastic seeing more folks show up ( Hi, Jeremy-I know I spelled it wrong it has been a very long time), and continuing reading and interacting with Arno and Erik, while fantastic, sometimes we all need to take a deep breath, or maybe a break from this place. Thanks to John, this place is still going, and will be here if folks take a break. YES and talking about YES, and all the other things here should not be about ugliness. There is more than enough of that around us to some degree, that no one can escape.

    Cheers, everyone! Thanks for being here, and thanks for those new who have joined/contributed. Nothing lasts forever, and it has been one heck of a long, and dysfunctional YES and all things YES-related ride. Everyone knows that. ;-)

    ​​​​
    Last edited by luvyesmusic; 09-23-2022, 08:31 PM.

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      Originally posted by luvyesmusic View Post

      Jon was very ill for a long time. There is no disputing that. That is a fact, whether you want to believe it or not. Again, I have been a breath a way from Jon on a few occasions, and front row many others. I listened to and observed the man. I was in tune with his singing. I watched when he was in bad shape, and when he was recovering/improving on subsequent recordings. I listened to, felt his pain, when he told the audience what he went through.

      What I actually wrote was my timeline was vague ( it has been quite a while ) and it would be nice to go back and look at some of the old posts and threads on the old YES-fans com. ( I'm pretty sure there were some cancelled shows and posts about them by folks who were suppose to go)had tickets ). I actually wrote that he went into the hospital a day or two after the Philly show. Then about four days later, he spent three or four days in the hospital.

      Did I get actual updates on his hospitalizations and surgery/surgeries from Paul, Janee, Deborah, Jade or Damion? Of course not. Folks shared what was known. or appropriate to share. Of course actual details were sparse because it was really none of our buisness, say for missed shows, and then even then.

      Going back and revisiting things like the tour, Jon's illness, or anything for that matter is wasted energy. Like someone told me recently, he couldn't be in two places in history at once. ( Can you be two places at once in the now. You certainly can. I once was so relaxed leading and winning a motorcycle race, that I actually had an out of body experience, where I came up out of myself, watching me ride my bike and navigate the corners while I was above and behind myself-sounds like one of Jon's dimension stories, doesn't it? Truth! ) Are we privy to all actual facts when it comes to one of our favorite bands, and all the individuals involved? Absolutely not! As someone recently posted "pure speculation". What we do know it was a gamble to begin with with the size of the venues, Jon became ill, and then very ill, and the tour didn't happen.

      Look, I tend to simmer quite a bit with all the stupidity that goes on around me, and within the country, and much if the world, my wife, bad drivers, etc, etc . I can talk and explain things, Alex, but I never try to constantly butt heads. It's no good for anyone. Do I feel it's right that you were called all kinds of names, and folks felt they were entitled to on another thread/,threads? Absolutely not. I do like how you came back and wouldn't put up with any crap, but there is a time and a place Would I think twice if I had to put someone down, or hold them until authorities came back in my younger days when I was fit, trained strong, and had great reflexes? Absolutely not. But that is ALWAYS last resort. Talking, negotiating, being diplomatic, trying to put yourself in someone else's shoes, redirecting energy and coming into situations in a calm manner is always best. That goes for anyone. And if course there are times when you come across low i q., violent folks, sometimes on something where it is best to just avoid. Always evaluate situations, and safety, and do what is best.

      And when it comes to this place, which use to be full of amazing and of course really diverse good people at one time ( and it is fantastic seeing more folks show up ( Hi, Jeremy-I know I spelled it wrong it has been a very long time), and continuing reading and interacting with Arno and Erik, while fantastic, sometimes we all need to take a deep breath, or maybe a break from this place. Thanks to John, this place is still going, and will be here if folks take a break. YES and talking about YES, and all the other things here should not be about ugliness. There is more than enough of that around us to some degree, that no one can escape.

      Cheers, everyone! Thanks for being here, and thanks for those new who have joined/contributed. Nothing lasts forever, and it has been one heck of a long, and dysfunctional YES and all things YES-related ride. Everyone knows that. ;-)

      ​​​​
      Your a fine chap Mr. Luvyesmusic. Your defending mine and others freedom of speech is appreciated and commendable.

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        April 1968

        I wake up to the sound of the Mill Siren going off in Skipton.
        Jon Anderson borrows £500 from the mill owner.

        February 1971.

        I watch Disco 2 in the common room of my school. Yes are on and play a piece where the intro goes on forever bah ba ba bah. I grow to like it and I buy the album take it home for the summer holiday and listen it every day. I see a Melody Maker in London with the news on the front page that Rick Wakeman is joining Yes.

        May 1975

        Front Row at Colston Hall for UK Tour. I am working for Barclays Bank. I buy Beethoven's 5th Symphony.

        July 1984

        Yes concert at Wembley. I attend with a Legal Executive who I work with in a large Financial Services Company. I am buying Sibelius Seven Symphonies. I am married for the second time.

        August 2001

        On an episodic holiday across Canada with my two children and partner I attend Yes's Symphonic Concert at Vancouver. I have my own Financial Services Business and listen to Miles Davis, Frank Sinatra and Sing in a Church Choir.

        June 2004

        Attend Yes concert with friends at Wembley and walk out, the sound is so bad up in the tiers. I am divorced and listen to Krall, Streisand, Shostakovich and Stravinsky.

        November 2009

        Attend Yes concert in Colston Hall Bristol the beginning of nine years of attending with Yes fans met on the Internet. I am heavily involved in a second career of property restoration. During this period I begin extensive travelling. I listen to Awaken at the bottom of a Glacier (Matuktucki) as the sun emerges in New Zealand and walk the deserted beaches and the backcountry with my I Pod. Very rarely listening to Yes.


        March 2018

        Fly back to England to attend the two Palladium Concerts and a fan afternoon. Completely underwhelmed, though its great to see several Yes fans I admire (more for their work than their fandom).

        The first half of the concert is the same old, same old except they played Onward live. I enjoyed the second half with Oceans.

        June 2022

        The band switch out of Relayer and opt to promote CTTE50. I give my tickets away and fly to Lombok for Scuba Diving and Mountain Climbing. When I arrive in the UK I do not do the 400 mile round trip to York but go to a revelatory performance of Richard III at the RSC Stratford. I leave the UK and fly to Switzerland and attend four concerts of the Menuhin Festival that are sensational. I fly home and as always the back ground to my day is Radio 3 interspersed with Plant /Krauss, Opera, Shakti among many.


        My point

        We change and evolve.

        Steve, Chris and Jon are/were musicians for life but when I consider how much I have changed during my life I think it’s a miracle they worked together as long as they did. That is what makes Alan, whose photo location for the GFTO cover I found a few weeks ago, so honourable he stuck at it all his professional life despite the tensions around him and tensions, which are entirely understandable.

        My only regret is I wish the guys would answer questions about why? with “come on we all change, whatever. and we have fantastic memories." and so do I.






























        Last edited by michelle johnston; 09-25-2022, 01:45 AM.

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          "Change, We Must."

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