Apollo revisited

[yesfan123]

any overdubs are well done imo, as I can't find any obvious spots....

that's of course very possible with good editing and mixing skills....

I remember some reviews stating that Rabin had lost some of his vocal power having been of the road for that long, I don't know if that's the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has beefed up his vocals on the official release. He sounds as good as he did in the 80s imo

[kilianltia]

any overdubs are well done imo, as I can't find any obvious spots....

that's of course very possible with good editing and mixing skills....

I remember some reviews stating that Rabin had lost some of his vocal power having been of the road for that long, I don't know if that's the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has beefed up his vocals on the official release. He sounds as good as he did in the 80s imo

When I saw them in York in 2018, Trevor's vocals were on point throughout so I don't think much work would have been needed. The real decline in Trevor's vocals only really became apparent to me at the Alan White tribute concert last year. On Apollo, I do think some of the guitar solos were re-done as often the camera cuts away from his fingers as a particularly intricate or fast bit is played and at the York show I saw he did seem to struggle with some passages. But, again, with no audience recording to compare it with there is no way of knowing for sure.

[kilianltia]

I don't know - there was a lot of treatment on Jon's vocals in the live mix itself so I might be apt to say it wasn't really fussed with.

Really?? Do you know what kind of treatments? Are you counting reverb / delay or was there actual live melodyne type effects being used?

[luna65]

I believe it was a mix of both things. There was an interview with their FOH guy at the time and he confirmed it.

[yesfan123]

I didn't know about that!


Have to say though; the fact that JA sounded phenomenal on the release, coupled with the fact that live albums often feature overdubs, should have been a clue

I would like to know more about it....tracks and enhancement are usually things that make me get of the train. If you can't cut it anymore, you should bow out imo.
Look at what's happening with Kiss these days...for the past 4 years, Paul Stanley has mimed 85% of the set

[tumnus]

good point

the audience roar that is flown in every x second is
1: obviously that of a much larger crowd (at least to my ears)
2: often obviously not in synch with a seated audience

It seems to me like they were trying to recapture that 9012live feel... when I play 'the Solos' album and it's Hold On, Live at Edmonton, that atmosphere is amazing... given the enormodome audience it kind of fits even if it might not be true! Same as Yesshows, end of Gates at Cobo Hall... that is just sublime for me

but for this it was so jarring as the audience is older and are sitting down listening to the music. I can't remember a gig where I was chatting with strangers so much beforehand there and they were all so excited and the vibe was amazing, as well as the performances. I think the dubbing was unnecessary totally as it was a lovely atmos... I can only put it down to, as i say, trying to recapture the 9012Live feel and put a stamp on them being 'the actual Yes' - though the music and performance totally stood on its own without that

Hey I even bumped into Pete Trewavas of Marillion who was there to see the show as a standard punter! I said hello and we walked back to our seats where it turned out he had gone with Ian Mosely and they were having a lads' night out. had a laugh and took a blurry selfie which i apologised profusely for.

interesting about Jon's voice... on the night he sounded great... I would still expect loads of treatment on his voice. I dont mind it with Jon, and dont think he'd need that much... as long as you get that distinctive 'timbre' to come through (that Olias of Accrington twang, if im making sense) then the unique sense of magic of Jon's voice comes through. Which is what you dont get with replacement singers (absolutely no offence or criticism intended, I listen to Buggles albums so I like Trevor Horn's own distinctive voice for example)

I saw him a couple years earlier solo at the little club under chelsea football club along with a few of you folks (I remember Malcolm strutting around in his fine Jon Anderson jacket like some sort of imperious demigod!) and his voice was lovely even in that stripped out setting... so again, its the sound and timbre of his voice that make the magic (and I feel it it was autotuned TOO heavily that timbre might disappear) Jon's voice and a fine reverb are a match made in heaven though.... which has made me think of Vangelis' 'So Long Ago, So Clear' and 'Soon' - beautiful

bottom line... If they produced that ARW LIVE album and video as a remix just with the audience noise removed, I would happily pay four times the current asking price. I'm serious, as it looks like there wont be any more. Sadly.

you know what? This has spurred me to check up on Jon tickets in london and try and get one. I didn't like Shepherds Bush as it's standing, but now the Relayer gig has been cancelled, I really really need to hear his voice live.

[tumnus]

I'm just looking at Shepherd's Bush Empire and even through the hated Ticketmaster it is nearly sold out. Amazing! Even if i cant get a ticket it is looking like this is going to be a monster gig atmosphere... so anyone who has already got a ticket I think you are going to have one of 'those' nights to remember

[luna65]

but for this it was so jarring as the audience is older and are sitting down listening to the music. I can't remember a gig where I was chatting with strangers so much beforehand there and they were all so excited and the vibe was amazing, as well as the performances. I think the dubbing was unnecessary totally as it was a lovely atmos... I can only put it down to, as i say, trying to recapture the 9012Live feel and put a stamp on them being 'the actual Yes' - though the music and performance totally stood on its own without that

Agreed. I think that's what Trevor wanted and for whatever reason he wasn't considering the fact that it was going to look and sound strange compared to the visuals. At least he did apologize for it later.

[highfell]

good point

the audience roar that is flown in every x second is
1: obviously that of a much larger crowd (at least to my ears)
2: often obviously not in synch with a seated audience

Funnily enough the lack of syncing with the video doesn’t particularly worry me per se, but what does is the fact that the audience applause isn’t natural - it is liked canned laughter, which is always dreadful.

For me it was lazy of Rabin and some what surprising as he seems to be a perfectionist. Why didn’t he get a whole range of different audience applauses and use then cleverly and in a much smarter and more realistic way?

[highfell]

I'm just looking at Shepherd's Bush Empire and even through the hated Ticketmaster it is nearly sold out. Amazing! Even if i cant get a ticket it is looking like this is going to be a monster gig atmosphere... so anyone who has already got a ticket I think you are going to have one of 'those' nights to remember

Maybe the last time ever for Jon singing Yes classics in the UK ?

I would much prefer it to be with The Geeks but oh well. For that I will need to listen to the various audience boots that will emerge from the US tour

[Grey Wolf]

Rabin isn't the only one who did the screwy audience thing. I saw a concert on PBS of groups from the 60s (or whatever, there was more than one) that had the audience suddenly cheering on and off at odd times during the songs. I had to turn the damn thing off!

[JMKUSA]

I don’t really notice the crowd noise when I listen to the album. I suppose if I had the video I’d feel differently.

What I can’t forgive Rabin for is chopping off much of Lee’s solo during the Fish.

[luna65]

What I can’t forgive Rabin for is chopping off much of Lee’s solo during the Fish.

Nor me. If nothing else it should have been in the video.

[Grey Wolf]

Is this the album we're talking about?

[Gtkgasman]

I don’t really notice the crowd noise when I listen to the album. I suppose if I had the video I’d feel differently.

What I can’t forgive Rabin for is chopping off much of Lee’s solo during the Fish.

Listened to various tunes this morning and afternoon. Along with Jon and the kids. Sort of a prep to get myself pumped up for tonite, without listening to the geeks stuff. When listening casually to the ARW show, while around the house, I hear the crowd, but it doesn’t bother me. Those shows were great and that’s what I hear.