ARW priority: Tour, or New Album?

[yamishogun]

Yep, even the touring cycle was less than two years.

Nope. more like 7.5 months from late 2016 to summer 2018. Over 100 shows including five in Japan and several in Europe.

[bondegezou]

So Wakeman lied about the three exchanging music files in 2010 and early 2011? Anderson lied in late 2016 that an hour's worth of music had been written? Rabin lied in late 2016 that he was writing most of the music and that the album was 1/5th finished? Rabin made up in early 2017 that there were four-long form songs ready and that he though half the album would be finished by July 2017? Pomeroy made up that ARW had recorded a lot of music by September 2017? A fan ("Tales _____??")who posted on Yes Fans made it up in 2017 or 2018 that he had heard some of the music that sounded fantastic to him? Anderson made up that they had half an album finished in September 2018? Rabin told an untruthy in the summer of 2018 that there was a lot of music in the pipeline beyond "Fragile"?

I guess all of this is possible but if so is bizarre.

I don't think they were necessarily lying -- although there are cases where Yes members have lied -- but they may have been optimistic in their statements and they have very probably been misinterpreted. When Pomeroy said "a lot", what did that mean? It could mean 50 minutes of music, it could mean 5 minutes of music. "A lot" depends on context.

I would rather go back to actual quotations than your summary. Anderson did not say they had half an album finished in Sep 2018. He said, "We're about halfway through" making an album. If an album takes 6 months to make, you are halfway through after 3 months, but you'll probably have very little of the album finished. Also, his "halfway through" comment may have been what he thought, but he was clearly wrong. They were not halfway through because no album was made.

They had "Fragile". They had some ideas. Had they developed those ideas together, I imagine they could have made a fantastic album, but they didn't. It seems those ideas never really went anywhere.

[yamishogun]

I don't think they were necessarily lying -- although there are cases where Yes members have lied -- but they may have been optimistic in their statements and they have very probably been misinterpreted. When Pomeroy said "a lot", what did that mean? It could mean 50 minutes of music, it could mean 5 minutes of music. "A lot" depends on context.

Nobody thinks Pomeroy meant just 5 or even just 10 minutes of music when he said in August or September 2017 that "there is a lot of music recorded now, and I've heard a lot of it. It's fantastic." And very few would think 50 minutes since that is a full album where Rabin had previously said he thought half the album would be recorded by July. Also, I'm pretty sure that this "fantastic" music would not have included "Fragile" since thought of later.

I would rather go back to actual quotations than your summary. Anderson did not say they had half an album finished in Sep 2018. He said, "We're about halfway through" making an album. If an album takes 6 months to make, you are halfway through after 3 months, but you'll probably have very little of the album finished. Also, his "halfway through" comment may have been what he thought, but he was clearly wrong. They were not halfway through because no album was made.

We know the ARW album wasn't on any 6 month time line since the members say that they had at least three songs written in 2011, even if it is possible that little or none of that was used in 2016 and 2017.

Rabin said he started working on the album in 2016 and that he was writing most of the music. Roine Stolt said in June 2016 that Anderson tried to describe the kind of music that Rabin was writing, and it was a little different than traditional Yes music and that "they have been working on that a long time. " Halfway through means a lot of work has gone into writing and recording but still not that close to finished.

They had "Fragile". They had some ideas. Had they developed those ideas together, I imagine they could have made a fantastic album, but they didn't. It seems those ideas never really went anywhere.

Rabin said in the SOAL interview that Wakeman's "Bolero" on The Red Planet is only a little different from the ARW version, so they had that as well. It isn't obvious that "Fragile" was intended for the album and likely wasn't. ARW had way more than that song and "some ideas."

[rabin105]

Nobody thinks Pomeroy meant just 5 or even just 10 minutes of music when he said in August or September 2017 that "there is a lot of music recorded now, and I've heard a lot of it. It's fantastic." And very few would think 50 minutes since that is a full album where Rabin had previously said he thought half the album would be recorded by July. Also, I'm pretty sure that this "fantastic" music would not have included "Fragile" since thought of later.



We know the ARW album wasn't on any 6 month time line since the members say that they had at least three songs written in 2011, even if it is possible that little or none of that was used in 2016 and 2017.

Rabin said he started working on the album in 2016 and that he was writing most of the music. Roine Stolt said in June 2016 that Anderson tried to describe the kind of music that Rabin was writing, and it was a little different than traditional Yes music and that "they have been working on that a long time. " Halfway through means a lot of work has gone into writing and recording but still not that close to finished.



Rabin said in the SOAL interview that Wakeman's "Bolero" on The Red Planet is only a little different from the ARW version, so they had that as well. It isn't obvious that "Fragile" was intended for the album and likely wasn't. ARW had way more than that song and "some ideas."

Wait now your saying you don't think Fragile would of even been on the album!

Ok let me ask this just for my own sense of whatever sanity you all think I have left.

Do you also believe that Yes (I am talking Anderson Squire Oliver Wakeman and White) had 4 topographic styled peices they were going to show off on the Close to the Edge and Back tour?

Do you believe that Jon has sitting at home full albums with Peter Banks and Trevor Rabin?

Do you think yes were working with Jack Douglas in early 2008?

look I am all for believing in lost albums trust me I am and let me be clear while i may be giving you a hard time here I would always be willing to buy you the first round and I have said I want as much yes/yes related music as possible and would love nothing more then the 5 hour ARW album (sorry cant resist)

Keep in mind all of the questions above relate to statements Anderson made in 2007/2008 (And henry Anderson Banks dates back to 06 same with Rabin Anderson Right... I just remember everyone assuming the next yes album would be ANderson Squire Wakeman White and 2-3 songs from each guitarist)

And if you believe all the above do you think we will ever hear the 4 long songs from the close to the edge and back tour

[yamishogun]

Wait now your saying you don't think Fragile would of even been on the album!

I have always said that I didn't think "Fragile" was intended for the ARW album because so different than the type of music they were describing. It doesn't match what Rabin said in early 2017:

"It's very different from anything we've done before, which we're pretty happy about, hopefully breaking new ground, soundwise." I never said it couldn't appear on an album. Wakeman said in early 2018 that there would be an EP, so a full 45 to 55 minute album wasn't working out for whatever reason(s). Then I could see them releasing "Bolero", "Fragile" and another song as an EP.

look I am all for believing in lost albums...

I don't understand how you and Henry get from A to E when the goal is to simply go from A to B.

I never said nor implied there is a lost ARW album sitting on Rabin's hard drive. We do know that there is "Fragile", a version of "Bolero" and the two minutes of intro music for the European tour, which may or may not have been intended for an album.

[Davy]

I don't think they were necessarily lying -- although there are cases where Yes members have lied -- but they may have been optimistic in their statements and they have very probably been misinterpreted.

They had "Fragile". They had some ideas. Had they developed those ideas together, I imagine they could have made a fantastic album, but they didn't. It seems those ideas never really went anywhere.

A good summary of what most of us here believe. ☺

[rabin105]

I have always said that I didn't think "Fragile" was intended for the ARW album because so different than the type of music they were describing. It doesn't match what Rabin said in early 2017:

"It's very different from anything we've done before, which we're pretty happy about, hopefully breaking new ground, soundwise." I never said it couldn't appear on an album. Wakeman said in early 2018 that there would be an EP, so a full 45 to 55 minute album wasn't working out for whatever reason(s). Then I could see them releasing "Bolero", "Fragile" and another song as an EP.



I don't understand how you and Henry get from A to E when the goal is to simply go from A to B.

I never said nor implied there is a lost ARW album sitting on Rabin's hard drive. We do know that there is "Fragile", a version of "Bolero" and the two minutes of intro music for the European tour, which may or may not have been intended for an album.

ok what are you saying?

[Dantalion Rides Again]

I have exactly the same question, I even asked it already.

[bondegezou]

I never said nor implied there is a lost ARW album sitting on Rabin's hard drive. We do know that there is "Fragile", a version of "Bolero" and the two minutes of intro music for the European tour, which may or may not have been intended for an album.

We don't know that there is an ARW version of "Bolero". Presumably, Wakeman had a demo, but is a Wakeman demo he played to Rabin and Anderson notably interesting compared to a Wakeman demo he didn't play to them? It's still just his demo.

Wakeman's more recent description of events is that he put forth "Bolero" to the group, but had soon withdrawn it for his own use.

[rabin105]

I have exactly the same question, I even asked it already.

well I am going to guess Arw has 5 hour albums and also no albums it's kind of like schrodinger's cat

[yamishogun]

A good summary of what most of us here believe. ☺

How can you possibly know what most believe? You think Pomeroy lied about a lot of music recorded? Maybe he did but then why?

[yamishogun]

We don't know that there is an ARW version of "Bolero". Presumably, Wakeman had a demo, but is a Wakeman demo he played to Rabin and Anderson notably interesting compared to a Wakeman demo he didn't play to them? It's still just his demo.
Wakeman's more recent description of events is that he put forth "Bolero" to the group, but had soon withdrawn it for his own use.

In September 2016 Rabin discussed Bolero: " Rick wrote something that is called "Bolero". I got this thing and I thought, 'Oh my God, this is... this is amazing,' and I just kind of thought of what this could be once we've all done it, Rick's on it and Jon's on it. And I sent Rick stuff, and Jon stuff." Wakeman then interrupted to praise Rabin and the quality of material Rabin and Anderson had sent, continuing, "we're all quite different". (Of course, they are all lying here....)

In March 2017 Wakeman said: " We are working on such song with the working title Bolero. This song is like stones laid across a river, a lot of different stops and steps."

So that is half a year at minimum. What Wakeman said on his SOAL interview is "when the ARW album didn't happen, I very quickly sort of brought it back."

Rabin said on his SOAL interview that The Red Planet's version is a little different than the ARW version:

Sean 7:40: I know that Rick had one that he wound up putting on his Mars album...'

Rabin 7:50 Yeah, "Bolero" is on the album - it is a great idea, which, um, I'm glad he put it on the album. It was a really great idea and yeah, I think he was right to put it on the album because it ultimately changed into something a little different, but I still think it would have landed full prog-rocky..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upsP...usicalTalkShow

[rabin105]

In September 2016 Rabin discussed Bolero: " Rick wrote something that is called "Bolero". I got this thing and I thought, 'Oh my God, this is... this is amazing,' and I just kind of thought of what this could be once we've all done it, Rick's on it and Jon's on it. And I sent Rick stuff, and Jon stuff." Wakeman then interrupted to praise Rabin and the quality of material Rabin and Anderson had sent, continuing, "we're all quite different". (Of course, they are all lying here....)

In March 2017 Wakeman said: " We are working on such song with the working title Bolero. This song is like stones laid across a river, a lot of different stops and steps."

So that is half a year at minimum. What Wakeman said on his SOAL interview is "when the ARW album didn't happen, I very quickly sort of brought it back."

Rabin said on his SOAL interview that The Red Planet's version is a little different than the ARW version:

Sean 7:40: I know that Rick had one that he wound up putting on his Mars album...'

Rabin 7:50 Yeah, "Bolero" is on the album - it is a great idea, which, um, I'm glad he put it on the album. It was a really great idea and yeah, I think he was right to put it on the album because it ultimately changed into something a little different, but I still think it would have landed full prog-rocky..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upsP...usicalTalkShow

So you are back to ARW having an album?

[yamishogun]

So you are back to ARW having an album?

Don't you have a fantasy set list you want to hear live of all Yes songs with only one vowel in the title to attend to?

[rabin105]

Don't you have a fantasy set list you want to hear live of all Yes songs with only one vowel in the title to attend to?

Just tell me what you think did Arw have 10 minutes of new music 20 30 40 an album a 5 hour album.