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    Have people warmed to this album over time?

    Personally I think this album has a few songs (To Ascend, Light of the Ages and Subway Walls) that work well, but overall is still one of the worst yes albums- not a bad record per se, but for Yes' standards very low on the list. My opinion hasn't really changed since release, have any of you learned to enjoy some of the material here more over the years?
    The Definitive YES Albums

    -The Yes Album-Fragile-Close to the Edge-Tales From Topographic Oceans-
    -Relayer-Going for the One-Drama-90125-Big Generator-Union-Talk-
    -The Ladder-Magnification-Fly From Here-The Quest-

    #2
    Right after it came out, I listened to it a lot, I guess trying to will myself into liking it. I think at that time, I thought it was ok, not very Yessy and maybe more like Air Supply, but I didn't dislike it. A few weeks ago I listened to it for the first time since that era, and I was shocked. It is very, very weak, far and away the worst album in Yes' catalog, and a sorrowful swansong for the great Chris Squire. I think the only two songs on it that are halfway decent are the first and last songs. I think I've only listened to the Quest twice since I got it and haven't formed an impression yet, but it can't help but beat the phenomenally low bar set by Heaven and Earth.

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      #3
      As with all Yes albums, I only listen to the songs I like. In this case it means it’s a lovely (extended) single.

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        #4
        There is far enough great music out there to worry about this below par release. To be fair it’s not all bad the opening track and closing track as already mentioned but apart from that I struggle.

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          #5
          Never got through it initially. It was a step too beyond.
          Then one day had it playing in the background as I read Obama's autobiography "A Promised Land" and lo and behold the sea parted and I walked into a wonderland of subtle, pastoral prog. The Game was emotional. BA, TA,LoA,SW....all had their charms. Chris sings a lot . Warmed to Juano. It's more in my wheelhouse than loud,crunching "look at me, look at me" corporate Rawk'n'roll.

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            #6
            No.
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              #7
              I can't say that I have, and I've given it many chances over the years.
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                #8
                I liked around a half of it when it came out, perhaps a smidge more, and felt the same about Quest. Still do - there's a damned good album across the two of them.

                Both come above stuff like Yes, TAAW, OYE, 90125, BG, Drama and FFH on my favourites list.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by RelayerI View Post
                  I liked around a half of it when it came out, perhaps a smidge more, and felt the same about Quest. Still do - there's a damned good album across the two of them.

                  Both come above stuff like Yes, TAAW, OYE, 90125, BG, Drama and FFH on my favourites list.
                  It blows my mind when people say the first two albums are not great. To each their own, I suppose. They are solid classics in my home and get lots of play.

                  Heaven and Earth has definitely warmed up to me over time. Like some others here, I really like about half of it. The rest is ok. I would rather have it than not. Like most Yes albums, it has it’s own vibe and it makes it hard to directly compare it to any other single Yes album.

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                    #10
                    Perfectly pleasant, indifferently mixed and as dull as dishwater.

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                      #11
                      Judging from the many comments over the years I think the only way people would warm up to this album is if they put it on fire...

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                        #12
                        Never had a problem with Heaven and Earth album, but it's not without its flaws. I know it's a lesser album, but I can still enjoy it for what it is. It's a strange listen. It has a watery, wispy sound if that makes any sense. The drums are too low in the mix, production is paper-thin. Something off about the album. The songs still have the melodies and tunefulness found on all Yes albums, but perhaps a bit more in terms of emotional content. There is a wistfulness and melancholy to some of the material, like To Ascend, Believe Again and Light Of The Ages. A bittersweet vibe going on here, but not necessarily because it's the last album with Chris before he died. Lyrically at least three or four songs deal with some sort of nostalgia or looking back at more magical times. I noticed that element when I first got the album in 2014. It's the saddest Yes album.

                        The album gets a lot of stick from Yes fans, and true, it lacks the arrangements and razzle-dazzle of their best work. Very lite on the sections and bursts, but high on the melodic content. I don't find anything to actively hate here, though I do agree it is a weaker effort. But not really in the songs themselves, just the arrangements or presentation or production. Yes changes around, it's in their fabric. I guess this is the Yes soft-rock album in the same way 90125 was kinda the AOR/Journey-type album or Relayer was the fusion album. They just went for a more laid-back album that time around. I would almost call it their Yacht-rock album if it weren't so sad. Something is still off here, but still plenty to enjoy.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Soundwaveseeker View Post
                          but high on the melodic content. I don't find anything to actively hate here
                          The melodic content is the part I actively hate. O, there are melodies, obviously. But to my ears they rarely get passed nursery rhymes. Seriously, take any song from The Ladder, and they’re full of hooks and themes and sub themes, and a lot of them you haven’t heard a million times before. You rarely get that on Heaven & Earth. That’s a treasure trove of cliches. Is it that bad? Yes it is. End of rant.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by SunshipVoyager View Post
                            Perfectly pleasant, indifferently mixed and as dull as dishwater.
                            I, sadly, have to agree about it being "indifferently mixed".

                            I have a remix made by a Yesfan that brought up drums in the mix, and re-EQd the bass, and it is far more listenable.

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                              #15
                              I consider it one of the three weakest Yes albums, though unlike the other two (OYE & Union), I can at least listen to it all the way through without feeling totally pissed off by the end. The melodies and vocals are pleasant enough, but it's far too uniformly mellow and saccharine overall. The lacklustre production and arrangement choices suck the energy out of some songs that might have been more powerful otherwise. In a World of Our Own and Step Beyond are the only tracks that are terrible in their own right. Light of The Ages, Subway Walls and the acoustic version of To Ascend are pretty good. I could take or leave the rest. If you were to remix the three best tracks and combine them with The Ice Bridge, Dare to Know and Leave Well Alone, you'd have a solid album about the length of Drama with Davison on vocals.

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