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    Did Yes Stiff Moraz in the 1970's

    I was scanning some old Yes members interviews and found an interview with Moraz in 2000. Wow!

    Moraz claims in the interview that he never got paid for the 65 shows he did with Yes in the 1970's. These shows were stadium shows that were mostly sellouts of between 75,000 and 130, 000. Moraz said he was entitled to 20% of the profits and received nothing.

    Moraz goes on and says he was involved with quite a bit of the GFTO album but then when he was in Switzerland with the band working on the album he was unceremoniously fired leaving him and his infant child and the childs mother literally out in the cold with no money and freezing on the streets.

    Moraz said he had moved on and he had talked with White, Squire and even Wakeman. He also in the 1980's was involved with Bill B. on a project.

    He never mentions Anderson though other than a comment about his singing style. And he says little about Howe.

    He does mention that he had seen a couple of Yes shows including the Masterworks and the Ladder show. He had positive things to say about the Ladder.

    But what is interesting is it is clear Moraz was not invited by the band backstage or mentioned by Anderson during the shows Moraz was in attendance. And you know Moraz probably was right in front of the stage looking right at Anderson.

    This is a story that has been ignored thru the years. The only conclusion that can be drawn is Anderson and maybe Howe had Moraz fired replacing him with Wakeman

    I had heard stories decades ago that Howe did not like Moraz's playing style as he loved to go off script and play some songs with a different twist every night.

    Moraz clearly wanted the story told and did the interview in order to get the story out.

    No one connected with Yes has ever refuted the story to my best knowledge
    Last edited by alex peters; 03-15-2023, 08:03 AM.

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    Patrick was essentially kicked out during the GTFO sessions. Aside from not being paid the stories are brutal. IIRC Pat and his wife and small child were basically left financially broke in Switzerland to fend on their own while Rick was brought in to rejoin and finish the recording.

    I met Pat at the 1992 Union show in Costa Mesa. My friends and I took a bathroom break during OOALH and ran into him as we were exiting. He was wandering around looking for a bar so we located one and bought him a drink. He said he was there to see the show and when asked if he was going to join them onstage he shrugged and said "we'll see". Apparently he harbored no animosity towards the band at the time.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Yesjim View Post
      Patrick was essentially kicked out during the GTFO sessions. Aside from not being paid the stories are brutal. IIRC Pat and his wife and small child were basically left financially broke in Switzerland to fend on their own while Rick was brought in to rejoin and finish the recording.

      I met Pat at the 1992 Union show in Costa Mesa. My friends and I took a bathroom break during OOALH and ran into him as we were exiting. He was wandering around looking for a bar so we located one and bought him a drink. He said he was there to see the show and when asked if he was going to join them onstage he shrugged and said "we'll see". Apparently he harbored no animosity towards the band at the time.
      Yes. It appears he took the high road even though he was done bad. I had heard some of this but was not aware of the full scope of it.

      It certainly is a BLACK mark in the bands history. As much as I like Anderson it certainly appears he is a villain here.

      How do you stiff the keyboard player and not pay him when you are filling 65 shows with 75,000 plus

      Clearly there is a lot more here to the story.. My guess is he was asking to be paid during the Montreux sessions for GFTO and the band said FY you are out of here in the cold with no money freezing with your child and wife.

      In the interview he states he was extremely distressed at the time it happened. I would have been also. No $ out in the cold with your family

      My guess and it is just a guess is that Moraz went and saw some Yes shows later on for the purpose of staring right at Anderson 20 feet away from the front row silently saying look I am still here playing with the Moodys and by the way FY

      Horrible. No matter what you do not do that to anyone
      Last edited by alex peters; 03-15-2023, 10:03 AM.

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        #4
        Interesting. Really talented, and nice guy. Saw him a few years ago at his solo show at a NJ college. He had no problem playing Yes material, and sharing positive stories. He did a meet and greet after and stayed to say hi to everyone. I remember being on line with that keyboardist that plays sometimes with Annie Haslem. Can’t remember his name.

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          #5
          He’s got some interesting karma. He certainly had his issues with the Moody Blues too.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Enlighten View Post
            He’s got some interesting karma. He certainly had his issues with the Moody Blues too.
            Yes. They did not give him any royalties for the time he was with them. He sued the Moodys and won in court. Probably learned his lesson from the Yes experience

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              #7
              Originally posted by Yesed View Post
              Interesting. Really talented, and nice guy. Saw him a few years ago at his solo show at a NJ college. He had no problem playing Yes material, and sharing positive stories. He did a meet and greet after and stayed to say hi to everyone. I remember being on line with that keyboardist that plays sometimes with Annie Haslem. Can’t remember his name.
              Annie Haslem. What a voice. Renaissance! Loved the band

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                #8
                Originally posted by Yesed View Post
                Interesting. Really talented, and nice guy. Saw him a few years ago at his solo show at a NJ college. He had no problem playing Yes material, and sharing positive stories. He did a meet and greet after and stayed to say hi to everyone. I remember being on line with that keyboardist that plays sometimes with Annie Haslem. Can’t remember his name.
                Saw him once also do a solo show. 200 people. Small venue. Was out in the lobby later saying hello to people. You cannot mistake him for anyone else. He stands out

                He certainly has been a gentleman about being treated so poorly but he clearly at 1 point wanted the story out and he did the interview for that purpose.

                This really has been a cover up by Yes. There is a lot more to this than what has been told

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                  #9
                  I probably saw the same tour show. He was hilarious and was excited about just being married. He was on a Brooklyn NY accent kick and couldn’t stop saying Fuhgeddaboudit​! Lol.
                  Was a fun show, he had some of the music faculty come out with harp and violin and did an awesome Soon.

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                    #10
                    Peter Banks, Pat, Trevor Horn, Geoff Downes, Eddie Jobson, Benoit David and even Billy Sherwood have related stories about mistreatment by the band and management. Some are more disturbing than others yet collectively these tales demonstrate a pattern that seems to indicate there was a history of this sort of thing throughout the Yesyears.

                    Peter was in my opinion treated like s**t during and after his departure. Yes were not rich just yet however it is known that he was denied royalties and writing credits that eventually would have added up to a substantial sum. Years later while all this was still being played out with attorneys the band sent him packing again with the Union Tour incident at the LA Forum. (some say this was Howe's decision though I'm unsure of that claim). Peter fought for decades to recover his Yes pay day. We know how that all turned out.

                    Trevor relates a story that claims he and Geoff were handed a small amount of cash and asked to sign documents without reading them on an airplane at the end of the Drama tour with the promise there would be more coming. Apparently there was not. He also claims he was never paid for his work on Drama... But I suppose that might have been settled with the 90125 and BG production and song writing credits.

                    Jobson, well, he has stated his side of the story recently and wow, it's certainly dismal. Same with Benoit who revealed some harsh treatment in a very recent article.

                    And then there is Billy. He was kept on the sidelines on and off for many years. When the band needed him he would be summoned to help with many projects and then turned away when unneeded. His stories about the being let go after The Ladder tour are heart-breaking. Amazes me when considering the role he has wound up playing in the present day Yes.

                    Seems all these traits began to accelerate around '76/'77 when the band and Brian Lane discovered Jon had emptied the Yes coffers to spend all of it on his ridiculously lavish lifestyle. Story goes that he gave up almost all of his profits from the In The Round tours as compensation for his mis-steps. Brian kept adding dates and a second leg so Jon could pay up. From that point forward there seemed to be an exponential increase in unsavory behavior with the ranks of the band and management. I know the entertainment world operates in this fashion, but it always seemed sad that the magic cosmic love and peace hippie band I grew up loving did not always jive with the reality of the people behind it all.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Yesjim View Post
                      Peter Banks, Pat, Trevor Horn, Geoff Downes, Eddie Jobson, Benoit David and even Billy Sherwood have related stories about mistreatment by the band and management. Some are more disturbing than others yet collectively these tales demonstrate a pattern that seems to indicate there was a history of this sort of thing throughout the Yesyears.

                      Peter was in my opinion treated like s**t during and after his departure. Yes were not rich just yet however it is known that he was denied royalties and writing credits that eventually would have added up to a substantial sum. Years later while all this was still being played out with attorneys the band sent him packing again with the Union Tour incident at the LA Forum. (some say this was Howe's decision though I'm unsure of that claim). Peter fought for decades to recover his Yes pay day. We know how that all turned out.

                      Trevor relates a story that claims he and Geoff were handed a small amount of cash and asked to sign documents without reading them on an airplane at the end of the Drama tour with the promise there would be more coming. Apparently there was not. He also claims he was never paid for his work on Drama... But I suppose that might have been settled with the 90125 and BG production and song writing credits.

                      Jobson, well, he has stated his side of the story recently and wow, it's certainly dismal. Same with Benoit who revealed some harsh treatment in a very recent article.

                      And then there is Billy. He was kept on the sidelines on and off for many years. When the band needed him he would be summoned to help with many projects and then turned away when unneeded. His stories about the being let go after The Ladder tour are heart-breaking. Amazes me when considering the role he has wound up playing in the present day Yes.

                      Seems all these traits began to accelerate around '76/'77 when the band and Brian Lane discovered Jon had emptied the Yes coffers to spend all of it on his ridiculously lavish lifestyle. Story goes that he gave up almost all of his profits from the In The Round tours as compensation for his mis-steps. Brian kept adding dates and a second leg so Jon could pay up. From that point forward there seemed to be an exponential increase in unsavory behavior with the ranks of the band and management. I know the entertainment world operates in this fashion, but it always seemed sad that the magic cosmic love and peace hippie band I grew up loving did not always jive with the reality of the people behind it all.
                      Yes. But everyone in the band was living HIGH ON THE HOG. Moraz talked about all Yes members pulling up in their Rolls or Bentleys when he got the call to audition. They all lived in castles.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Enlighten View Post
                        He’s got some interesting karma. He certainly had his issues with the Moody Blues too.
                        And first responders
                        Not on Yes' payroll.

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                          #13
                          Hopefully at some point Patrick was paid. IMO it was Brian Lane who was largely behind the terrible treatment of ex-members but the band went along with it, perhaps knowingly and perhaps not fully grasping what was going on. I don’t think any of them paid much attention to the business side of things as long as they were making money.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JMKUSA View Post
                            Hopefully at some point Patrick was paid. IMO it was Brian Lane who was largely behind the terrible treatment of ex-members but the band went along with it, perhaps knowingly and perhaps not fully grasping what was going on. I don’t think any of them paid much attention to the business side of things as long as they were making money.
                            No. He was not paid. He said so in 2000 25 years later.

                            No. I do not buy the Brian Lane is responsible.

                            To pass it all off to Lane is to try to pass the buck

                            How can you kick him out the cold with no money with his child and wife?

                            Sorry. This is cruel and it is ALL on the band

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                              Here's a little something for AP.

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