The Implications of Evolution, Part III

[keythief]

[QUOTE=Lulu Mortice;1924171]It is now! This is for you 901235 yes!

The Difference between a Chimpanzee and a Human

This is explained in the fascinating book, The Brian that Changes Itself by Dr Norman Doidge. I recommend it to all.

The human brain has many billions more connections than a chimp's and therefore is capable of thinking more complex thoughts and doing more complex actions.

Here's the original research:
http://www.research.va.gov/news/pres...in-0401102.cfm



So there you have it. Humans are smarter than chimps because humans evolved that way.

Now as to WHY humans evolved that way....whole different debate.

Lulu, this is great stuff...I've done a bit of research on gene expression and so as to the "why" we evolved this way, it seems that environment, that is, plant and animal life, bacterial and climatic conditions, etc... all influence gene expression. This is a valid bit of evidence to support Darwins theory of natural selection...those who are capable of evolving biologically to withstand the changing bacterial and environmental conditions are the species that will survive.

As the planet evolves, the microorganisms are the first to respond to this change, all other life forms follow suit...for better or worse. Fortunately for humans, science has given us a great advantage in coping with these changes, giving us the knowledge and technology to adapt more readily to our environs.

[ham]

I like it mon...
Jus' wait for it though.................................
Many have tried to be rational and sensible and failed, its a losing battle - hence mah posts at times.
Banging my head 'gainst a brick wall hurts eventually and I get a wee beelin!

[90125yes]

Researchers find surprising difference between human and chimp genomes


Despite 99% DNA similarity between humans and our nearest relative, chimpanzees, the locations of DNA swapping between chromosomes, known as recombination hotspots, are almost entirely different. The surprising finding is reported in a paper just published online in Science by Oxford University statisticians and US and Dutch geneticists.
This difference is intriguing because one of the central tenets of modern biology is that specific DNA sequences determine biological function. In most cases, when DNA sequence is highly similar between two species, the biological function of that DNA is predictably similar as well.
Recombination shapes the patterns of genetic variation in a species.It is the process by which genetic information inherited from a person’s two parents is mixed up to make one chromosome to pass on to their offspring. Chromosomes exist in pairs, with one chromosome of the pair inherited from the father, the other from the mother. At the point when sperm or eggs are made, the paired chromosomes line up and exchange pieces of DNA, recombining into a totally new, single chromosome, which is passed on to offspring.
In a previous study in Science, the Oxford team had identified many ‘hotspots’ along the human genome where this swapping of DNA is more likely to occur. Why these hotspots occur, and what triggers the swapping of DNA at those particular points, is a mystery. One theory was that the DNA code either side of hotspots controlled the activity. However, when the researchers compared chimps and humans for the new study, they were startled to find that despite being so genetically similar, the species have totally different recombination hotspots.
Professor Peter Donnelly at Oxford said: ‘If chimps and humans do not share these recombination hotspots, then it means something other than the surrounding DNA code must be controlling the process of recombination – because the surrounding DNA code in chimps and humans is pretty much identical. This means that recombination is even more mysterious than we already thought: what is controlling it, and why does it occur so often at these particular places?
‘The findings also tell us something else important: that the recombination landscape must be evolving extremely quickly. In humans and chimpanzees, the genome as a whole is very similar but the recombination hotspots totally different – so hotspots must be evolving much, much faster than the rest of the genome. That adds extra mystery to what drives these hotspots: why do they evolve so quickly?’
As well as showing the difference between human and chimpanzee recombination, the paper represents the first time that recombination hotspots have been identified in the chimpanzee genome.

[90125yes]

Originally Posted by ham

I like it mon...
Jus' wait for it though.................................
Many have tried to be rational and sensible and failed, its a losing battle - hence mah posts at times.
Banging my head 'gainst a brick wall hurts eventually and I get a wee beelin!

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good morning Ham hope your well

[ham]

I give up!!!

[90125yes]

Originally Posted by ham

I give up!!!

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[Mind Driver]

Originally Posted by Meng

Actually, I've got plenty else to do.

But I can always find time to throw insults around.

I know........but you manage to stay away from this kind of nonsense:

Originally Posted by keythief

I'm thinking that maybe all you christians should go over to your christian thread and stay out of this one so that those of us who want to discuss the implications of evolution can do so without having a friggin' bible thumped over our heads !!!!!

Mike, you are not funny or intelligent...you have shown that countless times, in fact almost every post you make shows your ignorance of science and the world we live in. Your facetious comebacks and childish "turn the other cheek" remarks are tiresome and quite frankly they are very antagonistic.

You obviously believe in jesus and god and worship the bible...fine...go to your church and have a prayer meeting with your fellow bretheren...but stay away from a thread that is discussing science, because you are seriously incapable of talking about science with any authority or even any knowledge at all.

Do us all a favor and go discuss religion in your christianity thread....cuz this has gotten just stupid.

Mod Hat on.....
Keythief - you need to edit this thread and cut out the insults. We don't tolerate it on this site.
Mod Hat off

[90125yes]

Originally Posted by keythief

I'm thinking that maybe all you christians should go over to your christian thread and stay out of this one so that those of us who want to discuss the implications of evolution can do so without having a friggin' bible thumped over our heads !!!!!

Mike, you are not funny or intelligent...you have shown that countless times, in fact almost every post you make shows your ignorance of science and the world we live in. Your facetious comebacks and childish "turn the other cheek" remarks are tiresome and quite frankly they are very antagonistic.

You obviously believe in jesus and god and worship the bible...fine...go to your church and have a prayer meeting with your fellow bretheren...but stay away from a thread that is discussing science, because you are seriously incapable of talking about science with any authority or even any knowledge at all.

Do us all a favor and go discuss religion in your christianity thread....cuz this has gotten just stupid.

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thank you

like jimmy i have sent you a PM to edit your insults


as a chrisitian i believe that God created everything and i believe that evolution is a questionable process so if you don't mind i will debate


AND the following has been suggested


Darwin's Dilemma"


http://www.darwinsdilemma.org/


and there is this

http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html


so i think i am entilted to debate this with you


thank you

[Lulu Mortice]

So far all you've done is quote the exact same research I did. I take it you agree with it, it's proof of evolution, and we're done!

[90125yes]

http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html

is proof evoluition is wrong Lulu

[Lulu Mortice]

Originally Posted by 90125yes

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because God created you and me that way

That's a view - but is it in the Bible? How does it fit in with the whole dust and rib thing?

[90125yes]

Help! I can't fly. My head is too big, and my wings are too small.

[90125yes]

Since Evolution is Wrong,
Where Did We Come From?

There is only one plausible explanation for the existence of the galaxies, stars, planets, humans, animals, all other life, matter, and energy. We were created by an infinitely intelligent, unlimited Power that man has chosen to call God. All races and people from far and diverse origins have arrived at this conclusion. The Bible explains this commonly accepted logic.

Job 12:7 "But now ask the beasts, and they will teach you; And the birds of the air, and they will tell you; 8 Or speak to the earth, and it will teach you; And the fish of the sea will explain to you. 9 Who among all these does not know That the hand of the Lord has done this, 10 In whose hand [is] the life of every living thing, And the breath of all mankind?
Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible [attributes] are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify [Him] as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Atheism (the denial of God) is a modern human belief. Artifacts in ancient burial sites reveal that humans have always believed in a life after death and a Creator God. Humans have a natural belief in God. Brainwashing by books, schools, and the major media is required to make a person atheistic.

Scientists cannot tell us why gravity exists. Scientists cannot create or destroy gravity. They can measure gravity and have developed a mathematical formula to measure gravity's strength, but they are at a loss to fully explain it. Albert Einstein came close to explaining gravity, but his "time - space" theory lacks serious scientific verification. The Bible gives the simple and correct answer. God created gravity and all other scientific constants. God keeps gravity at a constant level. He holds everything together by His infinite power.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The Heavens and Earth were created by God, but the form of the Earth was not as we see it today. It was populated with dinosaurs, apes, and all the other species we see in the ancient fossil record. The apes could walk upright, communicate, and use tools. We are not descendants of these apes as evolutionists teach. This period could have lasted for millions of years. The present mountains did not exist, and the oceans and continents were much different. The crude oil and coal were formed from vegetation and dead animal bodies deposited during this long period. It must have been a beautiful Earth with vast vegetation and enormous dinosaurs, walking around as seen in the movies, but God in His sovereignty decided to completely rearrange the Earth.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God brought a great chaos upon the Earth. The whole Earth became without form, void, and darkness was upon the whole Earth. Most or perhaps all of the life forms that lived on the original Earth were destroyed. Perhaps some of the sea creatures survived this chaotic period, because we find ancient fossils that appear to be identical to some modern species, such as sharks.
Genesis 1:3 below tells us that after the chaotic period, God started to recreate the Earth as we see it today. God first began to create a new Earth from the chaotic earth by restoring light. He raised up mountains from the depths of the sea. He moved the land masses around to rearrange the continents and oceans. We can now find the crude oil, coal, oyster shells, red horn coral, dinosaur bones, and all of the ancient fossil record located on mountain tops, far from their original location near or beneath the oceans. He changed the atmosphere. He created new species, including modern humans. This series of events is called the "Gap Theory" by many Christians and was understood by old Church fathers. Clarence Larkin's book written in the 1918, Dispensational Truth - Gods' Plan and Purpose in the Ages, has a great chapter on the gap theory. The modern "Young Earth Theory" is very young itself and was formulated about 40 years ago. The "Young Earth Theory" is not supported by the obviously true fossil record. The Gap Theory conforms perfectly to the scientific fossil record. This gap period and recreation of the Earth was the common understanding of the early Christian fathers.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. {the light from...: Heb. between the light and between the darkness} 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. {And the evening...: Heb. And the evening was, and the morning was} 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. {firmament: Heb. expansion} 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. {grass: Heb. tender grass} 12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: {the day...: Heb. between the day and between the night} 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. {to rule the day...: Heb. for the rule of the day, etc.} 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. {moving: or, creeping} {creature: Heb. soul} {fowl...: Heb. let fowl fly} {open...: Heb. face of the firmament of heaven} 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. {moveth: Heb. creepeth} 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {bearing...: Heb. seeding seed} {yielding...: Heb. seeding seed} 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. {life: Heb. a living soul} 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (KJV)
Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good.

[Lulu Mortice]

The point isn't , atheism v religion. This thread is called, The Implications of Evolution.

Evolution implies that Genesis is wrong and the world was not created in 7 x 24 hour days. There is simply too much created stuff including the earth, stars, planets, for that time period to be real.

And we are different to chimps because we evolved that way. Different evolutionary paths leading to different results. That's why we're arguing about this stuff and the chimps aren't.

[90125yes]

Originally Posted by Lulu Mortice

The point isn't , atheism v religion. This thread is called, The Implications of Evolution.

Evolution implies that Genesis is wrong and the world was not created in 7 x 24 hour days. There is simply too much created stuff including the earth, stars, planets, for that time period to be real.

And we are different to chimps because we evolved that way. Different evolutionary paths leading to different results. That's why we're arguing about this stuff and the chimps aren't.

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yes i know and i /we have to give reasons why evolution is wrong

and God has to come into the picture

[Original_Shifty]

Some of us have evolved more than others it would seem.

It seems as though the ones who think we are that much more different than chimps, are that much closer.

[Original_Shifty]

Originally Posted by 90125yes

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yes i know and i /we have to give reasons why evolution is wrong

and God has to come into the picture

I feel sorry for you, but you're still funny. You should take this on the road.

[Meng]

Originally Posted by Lulu Mortice

How does it fit in with the whole dust and rib thing?

I've never got the whole "dust and rib thing."

If God was capable of creating Man from dust, why didn't he create Woman from dust? Why did he need Adam's rib? And blimey, asleep or not, that must have really really hurt!

Why not then create many men and women, creating a solid genetic base? Surely there must have been plenty of dust? And if not, couldn't He create more dust?

Why does every picture I've seen of Adam and Eve show them as having navels?

Doesn't all add up really does it?

[Meng]

Originally Posted by Lulu Mortice

Evolution implies that Genesis is wrong and the world was not created in 7 x 24 hour days.

Actually Lu, I think it was six days. He was on a bit of a schedule - there were penalty clauses ...

I bet the last thing He created was a nice comfy chair - one of those lazy-boys - so He could put his feet up in front of the telly.

Er, which He also just created.

[Lulu Mortice]

Originally Posted by Meng

I've never got the whole "dust and rib thing."

If God was capable of creating Man from dust, why didn't he create Woman from dust? Why did he need Adam's rib? And blimey, asleep or not, that must have really really hurt!

Why not then create many men and women, creating a solid genetic base? Surely there must have been plenty of dust? And if not, couldn't He create more dust?

Why does every picture I've seen of Adam and Eve show them as having navels?

Doesn't all add up really does it?

And who were the people in the land of Nod??? Who made them and why weren't they so special?