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    Flynn has flipped

    Evidently, Mike Flynn has figured out that there's no pardon coming in his Christmas stocking this year. Trump is staying true to his nature and throwing folks under the bus.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael...investigation/

    Tick, tock....








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    I'm sure ~Andy~ will be along shortly to correct you & point out that Mueller has *nothing* haha

    Tick... tock... indeed.
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    Re: Flynn has flipped

    Quote Originally Posted by DrSludge View Post
    Evidently, Mike Flynn has figured out that there's no pardon coming in his Christmas stocking this year. Trump is staying true to his nature and throwing folks under the bus.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael...investigation/

    Tick, tock....



    It is amazing how a news leak that Flynn's attorney is not sharing information with Trump's attorney means he has flipped whatever that means. Flynn is in trouble. That is all that means.

    There is nothing to this with regards to Trump. You guys believe in Santa Claus

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    Flipping Flynn, tripping Finns, it's all the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discount Ministry View Post
    Flipping Flynn, tripping Finns, it's all the same thing.
    Errol Flynn was one of Hollwood's truly great talents. If he lived today it would be tweeted that several people have come forward on social hysteria recalling incidents from thirty years prior of much lude and lascivious behaviour in a blaze of drunkeness. Sorry what Flynn are we talking about? Washington and Hollywood folklore seem like one and the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EtherReal View Post
    Errol Flynn was one of Hollwood's truly great talents. If he lived today it would be tweeted that several people have come forward on social hysteria recalling incidents from thirty years prior of much lude and lascivious behaviour in a blaze of drunkeness. Sorry what Flynn are we talking about? Washington and Hollywood folklore seem like one and the same.
    Errol would be out of a job today like Spacey. From what I have read he liked his girlfriends in their early teens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Reid View Post
    It is amazing how a news leak that Flynn's attorney is not sharing information with Trump's attorney means he has flipped whatever that means. Flynn is in trouble. That is all that means.

    There is nothing to this with regards to Trump. You guys believe in Santa Claus
    Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

    Mueller is climbing the ladder to Trump. Flynn may not be able to give Mueller DJT, but in all likelihood he can give him Donny Jr and Jared , and Jared makes the obstruction case against DJT. Jared will flip like an IHOP pancake, in the Kushner clan "family" means nothing when it comes to saving your own hide. Desperate people do desperate things, and people get desperate when they are looking at 30 years in Club Fed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSludge View Post
    Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

    Mueller is climbing the ladder to Trump. Flynn may not be able to give Mueller DJT, but in all likelihood he can give him Donny Jr and Jared , and Jared makes the obstruction case against DJT. Jared will flip like an IHOP pancake, in the Kushner clan "family" means nothing when it comes to saving your own hide. Desperate people do desperate things, and people get desperate when they are looking at 30 years in Club Fed.
    Do you have a phone connection to Mueller's office or are you just living in your fantasy world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Reid View Post
    Do you have a phone connection to Mueller's office or are you just living in your fantasy world?
    No phone connection, I just don't live in your right wing bubble where facts can't get in.

    Think back to the Starr investigation. Started out as investigating a land deal (Whitewater) and ended up with perjury in a completely unrelated case. These investigations go wherever the facts take them. One set of facts leads to another...and to another...and to another. The only way Mueller is interested in cutting a deal with Flynn is if Flynn gives up a bigger fish. They don't need to talk to Flynn to get him. They already have him for failure to disclose. If the WH is smart, they will start frisking Jared for a wire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSludge View Post
    No phone connection, I just don't live in your right wing bubble where facts can't get in.

    Think back to the Starr investigation. Started out as investigating a land deal (Whitewater) and ended up with perjury in a completely unrelated case. These investigations go wherever the facts take them. One set of facts leads to another...and to another...and to another. The only way Mueller is interested in cutting a deal with Flynn is if Flynn gives up a bigger fish. They don't need to talk to Flynn to get him. They already have him for failure to disclose. If the WH is smart, they will start frisking Jared for a wire.
    The Nixon case was not complicated. Nixon obstructed justice in the break-in at the Watergate complex. A crime was committed and Nixon obstructed. The tapes were the smoking gun. Nixon resigned before being impeached.

    The Clinton's case was not only Whitewater but the Foster suicide. One of the Clinton's partner's in the land deal Mrs. McDougal took the 5th and ultimately was jailed for not testifying after being given immunity.

    The Monica situation came about when Clinton lied about it. Having sex in the oval office with an intern 30 years younger than him exposed the President to blackmail. Bill Clinton was a mess but he ultimately was not removed from office

    In this situation where is a crime. You have to have a crime to obstruct. If Donald Trump personally phoned Putin and said give me all of Hillary's e-mails you got it is collusion with Russia but it is not a crime. Clearly this did not happen but even if it did there is no statute to prosecute. It is politically embarrassing and that is it.

    Alan Dershowitz has made this same point.

    The special prosecutor was brought in after Trump fired Comey. Flynn's problem is his pre Trump international business deals and his son has legal difficulties also. Manafort and Flynn were both fired by Trump

    Collusion is no crime and there is zero evidence of any collusion. Comey has no credibility as he violated the law by leaking something to the media through a friend of his. It also has come out Comey fixed the Hillary investigation.

    It is all noise. Trump is not going to be removed from office or resign. Some need to go get a job or a second job and get out of Mommy and Daddy's basement
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    Collusion per say during the campaign wont be easy to prove. Thats why Mueller is using the age old follow the money. Why do you think Trump made such a big deal about old real estate deals being off limits. Nothing to hide means nothing to hide.

    He has all kinds of ties to Dirty Russians and Putin. Its just a matter of time before his slimy money laundering and Russian loans are exposed. THAT's when the option to resign and go away quietly will be presented to him. Hes a pig in so many ways and the interrsts of America and Americans are last on this SoBs list.
    What's conservative about people not paying their fair share in taxes, giving tax cuts to the wealthy and constantly putting the tax burden on the shrinking middle class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeTheDesert View Post
    Collusion per say during the campaign wont be easy to prove. Thats why Mueller is using the age old follow the money. Why do you think Trump made such a big deal about old real estate deals being off limits. Nothing to hide means nothing to hide.

    He has all kinds of ties to Dirty Russians and Putin. Its just a matter of time before his slimy money laundering and Russian loans are exposed. THAT's when the option to resign and go away quietly will be presented to him. Hes a pig in so many ways and the interrsts of America and Americans are last on this SoBs list.
    Why do you suppose Mueller has almost exclusively hired prosecutors who have specialized in financial crimes??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSludge View Post
    Why do you suppose Mueller has almost exclusively hired prosecutors who have specialized in financial crimes??
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    What's conservative about people not paying their fair share in taxes, giving tax cuts to the wealthy and constantly putting the tax burden on the shrinking middle class?

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    More food for thought. He has surrounded himself with people who have dealings with Russia. Why? Old Mafia trick just like how non of the orders come from the Don? Gather together a group who all have dirty ties so no one rats out the other guy. Problem is they're exposed now. Why did Flynn ask for immunity way back in, what, Feb???? Nothing burger right?
    What's conservative about people not paying their fair share in taxes, giving tax cuts to the wealthy and constantly putting the tax burden on the shrinking middle class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Reid View Post
    Some need to go get a job or a second job and get out of Mommy and Daddy's basement
    That's the second time you have mentioned that, Andy. My folks have been dead for quite some time, and I never got a dime from their estate. All their savings went to provide comfortable end of life care for both of them. At 10K/mo...it goes quick. I've also been peeing by myself for a very long time. So knock off your stupid BS because you don't know who you are talking to.

    Clearly you are freaking out about being on the wrong side of history.

    You should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Reid View Post
    The Nixon case was not complicated. Nixon obstructed justice in the break-in at the Watergate complex. A crime was committed and Nixon obstructed. The tapes were the smoking gun. Nixon resigned before being impeached.

    The Clinton's case was not only Whitewater but the Foster suicide. One of the Clinton's partner's in the land deal Mrs. McDougal took the 5th and ultimately was jailed for not testifying after being given immunity.

    The Monica situation came about when Clinton lied about it. Having sex in the oval office with an intern 30 years younger than him exposed the President to blackmail. Bill Clinton was a mess but he ultimately was not removed from office

    In this situation where is a crime. You have to have a crime to obstruct. If Donald Trump personally phoned Putin and said give me all of Hillary's e-mails you got it is collusion with Russia but it is not a crime. Clearly this did not happen but even if it did there is no statute to prosecute. It is politically embarrassing and that is it.

    Alan Dershowitz has made this same point.

    The special prosecutor was brought in after Trump fired Comey. Flynn's problem is his pre Trump international business deals and his son has legal difficulties also. Manafort and Flynn were both fired by Trump

    Collusion is no crime and there is zero evidence of any collusion. Comey has no credibility as he violated the law by leaking something to the media through a friend of his. It also has come out Comey fixed the Hillary investigation.

    It is all noise. Trump is not going to be removed from office or resign. Some need to go get a job or a second job and get out of Mommy and Daddy's basement
    You are missing the big picture, Andy, either through your own willful crusade to remain ignorant, or through denial.

    There is plenty of evidence of obstruction of justice, intimidation of witnesses, fraud, mis-use of campaign funds, and perjury. It also appears that the Trump organization has ties to organized crime syndicates in Germany, Panama, Brazil, and, of course, Russia. That leaves open possibilities of charges of money laundering, drug trafficking, and all the other things that mafia-like organizations do.

    Trump himself even said he'd make a great mafioso in an interview. But that's just part of his bragging disorder.

    But the Obstruction of Justice charges are the most likely scenario. He's hiding something. He never did release his taxes: Why? Obviously there's something there that's either embarrassing or damning. If he had nothing to hide, he'd be as cooperative as a baby enticed with candy. But, no, he's been firing people, throwing them under the bus, and doing all he can to stop the investigation. He's thrown shade at both Sessions AND Meuller, he's insulted Comey and Kushner (wait, he insults an awful lot of people).

    He's done everything he can think of to distract from the investigation. His administration's "press conferences" are insult and lie machines. Every Monday one of his press toadies comes out to say that what he Tweeted over the weekend isn't what he meant.

    And you're right about two things:

    1. This is not like the (Nixon) Watergate investigation - it's more like the Whitewater (Clinton) investigation, which dragged on for a few years, lurching from subject to subject.

    2. Collusion is, indeed, NOT a crime.

    BUT you're incorrect about one very major thing: There doesn't have to have a crime in order to be slapped with a charge of Obstruction. Even IF Trump were squeaky clean, with NO crimes whatsoever that he might be guilty of, attempting to sabotage the investigation IS a crime.

    And that pesky collusion thing - Collusion CAN be a crime IF one is colluding to do something that is illegal. Of course, then they change the word in the charge to "Conspiracy", as in "Conspiracy to obstruct Justice", or "Conspiracy to commit election fraud" , or, in Manafort's case, one of the charges is "Conspiracy against the United States".

    The indictment charges that Manafort AND Gates ran afoul of require an underlying criminal offense against the United States — making false statements about lobbying for foreign governments, not filing reports about foreign bank accounts, and lying to investigators are all crimes against the United States government all fit the bill.
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    They got Al Capone for tax evasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Reid View Post
    Errol would be out of a job today like Spacey. From what I have read he liked his girlfriends in their early teens

    It is amazing the fantasy world some live in today. Totally detached from realty. The internet has provided this vehicle to escape. The cure is to get out and get a job. Some cases 2 jobs would be a cure. Many Americans are working 2 jobs today. There are many that need to break free of Mommy and Daddy and take the training wheels off. It never is too late to break the umbilical cord
    Spacey will be back. In American tabloids there is the rise, the fall, and then the amazing comeback or, sadly, the untimely death. My money is on a Spacey comeback. He is a world star so he doesn't need Tweet approvals from robe trollers to go to the bathroom. I like your definition of Wage Slavery though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeTheDesert View Post
    Collusion per say during the campaign wont be easy to prove. Thats why Mueller is using the age old follow the money. Why do you think Trump made such a big deal about old real estate deals being off limits. Nothing to hide means nothing to hide.

    He has all kinds of ties to Dirty Russians and Putin. Its just a matter of time before his slimy money laundering and Russian loans are exposed. THAT's when the option to resign and go away quietly will be presented to him. Hes a pig in so many ways and the interrsts of America and Americans are last on this SoBs list.
    Goodness. Dirty Russians. Imagine if someone used the word dirty Haitians. Boy would the prejudice word go up. Liberals have gone nutty today. Is it the educational system? Is it the decline of the family unit? I would hate to be Russian and you were on a jury where I was on trial. I would be guilty immediately of being a dirty Russian

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