Where Yes should be

[enoesque]

all i know is since 2008, i have seen people of all ages at their shows, they are creating new music, and carrying yes into the future... Bravo yes, and keep the good times rolling! Bring the joy of new and classic yesmusic to ears old and new!

qfft!!!

[Sharp on Attack]

They are better off than
Genesis
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
Gentle Giant
and countless other coeval acts.
Let's rejoice instead of this.

[ragtime]

Anderson supplied the vision but not the craft, and vice versa for Howe and Squire. Unfortunately, at present that means we get sloppy and aimless Anderson stuff, and solid but predictable Yes stuff... I should probably just get used to the fact that the Yes of old is firmly in the past. I'd just like one more opportunity to be surprised and overwhelmed by something Yes produces.

That's pretty much where I've arrived too at the moment. There are some hopeful signs that something interesting could still happen next year, I'm going to wait and see.

[Mr. Holland]

This thread is one of the reasons i don't visit this forum that often any more

Why, because someone dares to question instead of purely devote? Because someones dares to be little critical, instead of only admiring?

[Mostly Harmless]

I don't doubt his shows are worth every penny - I loved the show I saw back when PG4 came out, but I would think there must be something else that keeps him in the megastar bracket. This is what I mean when I refer to credibility or gravity. His name has weight, he's a highly respected artist. He's spoken of with reverence outside his core fan group, which can't be said of Yes. Is it just the shows that create that? Maybe it is.

I happen to be a huge fan of both the Us and Up albums. And while neither was a huge commercial success, I think many in his fan base liked them as well, or at least well enough to see the shows. Believe me, the shows for those two albums were amazing. The Us tour had a stage at each end of the arena and each stage was changed a couple of times during the evening. All told, I think there were seven different stage settings for that 1 show. The Up tour featured the giant Zorb ball, mentioned by a previous poster, that PG rolled around on the stage while standing inside of it! I put both those tours in my top 3 shows of all time! After one sees a show like that, it isn't forgotten. So...the next time he comes around you go again.

And it's not just about the gimmicks, either. As I said before, I have never heard anyone leaving a PG show saying, "Man, he really didn't have a good night." He always has a good night.

[somissound]

i happen to be a huge fan of both the us and up albums. And while neither was a huge commercial success, i think many in his fan base liked them as well, or at least well enough to see the shows. Believe me, the shows for those two albums were amazing. The us tour had a stage at each end of the arena and each stage was changed a couple of times during the evening. All told, i think there were seven different stage settings for that 1 show. The up tour featured the giant zorb ball, mentioned by a previous poster, that pg rolled around on the stage while standing inside of it! I put both those tours in my top 3 shows of all time! After one sees a show like that, it isn't forgotten. So...the next time he comes around you go again.

And it's not just about the gimmicks, either. As i said before, i have never heard anyone leaving a pg show saying, "man, he really didn't have a good night." he always has a good night.

great post!

[LJG]

I'm not sure what this says... but I found Howe's new album "Time" more compelling than anything Yes has put out in quite a while.

It 1) confirmed Howe can still play. 2) Confirmed Howe can still write melodies. 3) With all the classical touches... confirmed he is still capable and interested in fusing genres and following his muse.

I look forward to Howe's work more than anything these days...

[pianozach]

I'm not sure what this says... but I found Howe's new album "Time" more compelling than anything Yes has put out in quite a while.

It 1) confirmed Howe can still play. 2) Confirmed Howe can still write melodies. 3) With all the classical touches... confirmed he is still capable and interested in fusing genres and following his muse.

I look forward to Howe's work more than anything these days...

I thought Jacaranda was top notch.

[Mr. Holland]

I thought Jacaranda was top notch.

Agreeing all the way. Also a real great showcase of what a versatile guitarplayer Rabin really is, instead of 'metal rock' notch some are just giving him

[Micah68]

Why, because someone dares to question instead of purely devote? Because someones dares to be little critical, instead of only admiring?

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Never one to fan the flames Mr Holland ?


Why should we as fans constantly try and dictate where YES should be


Just enjoy the music and the moment

[luna65]

Because that's what fans do, besides enjoying the music. We are human beings with critical capabilities and we love to expend them in the consideration of our favorite things.

They are better off than
Genesis
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
Gentle Giant
and countless other coeval acts.

Perhaps in their status as a working band but in terms of status/cultural appraisal I would seriously beg to differ.

[DREAMER]

Does anyone really think that if Yes had been as financially sucessful as Genesis or Floyd that they'd still be playing and recording today?

[Sharp on Attack]

This is a good question î

[Rabin105]

Does anyone really think that if Yes had been as financially sucessful as Genesis or Floyd that they'd still be playing and recording today?

i hope so I like yes. I like new yes music.

[Mr. Holland]

Does anyone really think that if Yes had been as financially sucessful as Genesis or Floyd that they'd still be playing and recording today?

Yeah I do and I think it would have been just as now with a core of HSW and without Anderson and Wakeman, because I believe that for HSW Yes in not only a 'job' (and I'm not saying it was for Anderson and Wakeman), but it also seems to be their (musical) life's purpose.

[bondegezou]

It's interesting that Peter Gabriel remains a huge concert draw yet his albums aren't selling much better than Yes's. At least, Gabriel's latest, New Blood, was released in 2011 and made #22 in the UK and #30 in the US, and the one before, Scratch My Back, released 2010, made #12 in the UK and #26 in the US, whereas Fly from Here (2011) made #30 in the UK and #36 in the US, not far behind.

Henry

[Mr. Holland]

It's interesting that Peter Gabriel remains a huge concert draw yet his albums aren't selling much better than Yes's. At least, Gabriel's latest, New Blood, was released in 2011 and made #22 in the UK and #30 in the US, and the one before, Scratch My Back, released 2010, made #12 in the UK and #26 in the US, whereas Fly from Here (2011) made #30 in the UK and #36 in the US, not far behind.

Henry

Sales are hard to measure by their peak chart position, those don't say a lot. An album that stays within the top 50 for ten weeks probably sells more overall then an album that peaks it's second week at no. 10, but is out of the top 100 two weeks later......so do you have any info on that comparing FFH to the latest Gabriel releases?

[RelayerI]

It's interesting that Peter Gabriel remains a huge concert draw yet his albums aren't selling much better than Yes's. At least, Gabriel's latest, New Blood, was released in 2011 and made #22 in the UK and #30 in the US, and the one before, Scratch My Back, released 2010, made #12 in the UK and #26 in the US, whereas Fly from Here (2011) made #30 in the UK and #36 in the US, not far behind.
Henry

But somehow Gabriel has managed to retain his public profile and aura since his 'big' period. Probably because as a solo artist it limits the opportunities to squabble about money, writing credits, musical direction and merchandising shares, and he has managed to keep himself in the band...

[Mostly Harmless]

It's interesting that Peter Gabriel remains a huge concert draw yet his albums aren't selling much better than Yes's......

I know this is a matter of opinion, but Gabriel's shows over the past 20 years are head and shoulders above any show I've seen from Yes in close to 30 years. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed the Yes shows that I have seen in the last 30 years. I have enjoyed a good number of them. I just think from a standpoint of value for my hard earned $$$$, I'd pick PG over Yes every time these days....even if the tickets cost twice as much.

[luna65]

It's interesting that Peter Gabriel remains a huge concert draw yet his albums aren't selling much better than Yes's.

I tend to believe this is how it works from now on: any new music an established band/artist releases will likely never generate as much revenue as a tour, in addition to back catalog and merchandise sales.