Squire says Davison will be a writer on the next yes album

[Frumious B]

Google Amanda Palmer and Kickstarter and prepare to be amazed at how much money she raised for the recording and promotion of her upcoming album.

[Mr. Holland]

I think they'd begun writing the new GH album before Davison joined Yes. The band said last month that Davison recently finished recording all his vocal parts for their new album.

Henry

Thanks for the update Henry. That still means Davison was busey with other things then Yes and a new Yes album......

[prem895]

I truely belive theres not much gas left in the Yes Plane.

[enoesque]

Google Amanda Palmer and Kickstarter and prepare to be amazed at how much money she raised for the recording and promotion of her upcoming album.

I know Amanda. I used to work for her. Her Kickstarter story begins with a much clearer understanding about how to use and exploit the internet to her benefit. She is very proactive about social networking and knowing how to reach her fanbase. She was able to raise that kind of funding because of the way she established the trust and loyaltiy of her fans. You can't just start a Kickstarter and expect to get that kind of money. Amanda has a great deal more experience in making that kind of thing work for her and she's absolutely brilliant at reaching her audience. There are very few artist that can touch people like that.

[RelayerI]

I truely belive theres not much gas left in the Yes Plane.

Possibly not, but it could be a glider, not a plane - with enough hot air from us it could soar for ages...

[Frumious B]

I know Amanda. I used to work for her. Her Kickstarter story begins with a much clearer understanding about how to use and exploit the internet to her benefit. She is very proactive about social networking and knowing how to reach her fanbase. She was able to raise that kind of funding because of the way she established the trust and loyaltiy of her fans. You can't just start a Kickstarter and expect to get that kind of money. Amanda has a great deal more experience in making that kind of thing work for her and she's absolutely brilliant at reaching her audience. There are very few artist that can touch people like that.

She's amazingly talented and she has two huge fans in this house who are really looking forward to her new album.

[Ceasar's Palace]

Possibly not, but it could be a glider, not a plane - with enough hot air from us it could soar for ages...

Puts those Roger Dean gliders in a new perspective...

[Micah68]

I truely belive theres not much gas left in the Yes Plane.

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Why ? are your trying to build a cheap plastic replica in China to put in my cracker

[RelayerI]

Puts those Roger Dean gliders in a new perspective...

I was going to post one of those, but couldn't be bothered with all the fiddling around !

Just given Glass Hammers Cor Cordium it's first spin while cleaning the cooker (joy) and am HUGELY impressed with Jon D. It's a good album ant they can certainly play. Whilst they are influenced slightly too much by early Yes in places (I'm not much of a fan of the pre The Yes Album style) I've got to say there were places where the vocals brought me out in an enormous grin - he is SO the man for the job !

[Micah68]

I was going to post one of those, but couldn't be bothered with all the fiddling around !

Just given Glass Hammers Cor Cordium it's first spin while cleaning the cooker (joy) and am HUGELY impressed with Jon D. It's a good album ant they can certainly play. Whilst they are influenced slightly too much by early Yes in places (I'm not much of a fan of the pre The Yes Album style) I've got to say there were places where the vocals brought me out in an enormous grin - he is SO the man for the job !

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[Rabin105]

Davison Squire Howe White and Downes.. an album by them would be very cool i think

[bondegezou]

Except there is a near zero percent chance of Yes selling 500K from a new release. It's more like 150K tops vs 50K. Barring some kind of external and nigh unforeseeable event creating buzz around the band, the R&RHoF, a high profile soundtrack appearance or a namecheck from someone with pop culture influence, their fan base is not going to grow. It seems to me that the thing to do would be to consolidate and maximize the revenue stream from the fans who are left.

Fans normally castigate bands for trying to "maximize the revenue stream from the fans". Isn't that a common complaint made by those who think Yes shouldn't have carried on without Anderson? Maybe Yes won't attract any new fans, but maybe striving to get new fans and not just focusing on maximising profit will give us better music.

As for your numbers... well, Fly from Here had sold about 100k (worldwide) earlier this year. Survival and Other Stories, as a comparison of an album without much promotional push from the small label it's on, sold somewhere very approximately around 10k, I believe.

Henry

[carlmarx38]

[QUOTE=bondegezou;2355001]Fans normally castigate bands for trying to "maximize the revenue stream from the fans". Isn't that a common complaint made by those who think Yes shouldn't have carried on without Anderson? Maybe Yes won't attract any new fans, but maybe striving to get new fans and not just focusing on maximising profit will give us better music.

As for your numbers... well, Fly from Here had sold about 100k (worldwide) earlier this year. Survival and Other Stories, as a comparison of an album without much promotional push from the small label it's on, sold somewhere very approximately around 10k, I believe.

That's amazing, but I'm not surprised....I watched the Billboard 200 listings when FFH first came out, and I remember it only
entered the charts at #39 or something, then was GONE entirely from the 200 within like 3 weeks ! I read somewhere, PROG
magazine or something, that ASIA's Omega actually sold better than FFH ! Hey Henry, I don't know where you get your numbers
from, but could you post the sales figures for other YES abums, if you have accurate data ?

As far as I know, the big DROP-OFF in YES sales and popularity happened with TALK. I read somewhere that UNION had
sold like 750,000 or something, and then they dropped to like 200,000 or something with TALK.....and as we all know, they
never really recovered from that point on !

[Mr. Holland]

That's amazing, but I'm not surprised....I watched the Billboard 200 listings when FFH first came out, and I remember it only
entered the charts at #39 or something, then was GONE entirely from the 200 within like 3 weeks ! I read somewhere, PROG
magazine or something, that ASIA's Omega actually sold better than FFH ! Hey Henry, I don't know where you get your numbers
from, but could you post the sales figures for other YES abums, if you have accurate data ?

As far as I know, the big DROP-OFF in YES sales and popularity happened with TALK. I read somewhere that UNION had
sold like 750,000 or something, and then they dropped to like 200,000 or something with TALK.....and as we all know, they
never really recovered from that point on !

Well, you're right that there was a significant drop in sales from Union to Talk. Union indeed sold 750.000 and Talk sold 300.000. But ar more significant drop in sales was between BG and Union or BG and ABWH if you like, because ABWH sold around 750.000 as well. BG however sold 3.000.0000.

I think the main reason for the drop is sales between Union and Talk was the lack of good promotion. Union got great promotion from the record company. When Talk was released record company Victory did hardly anything to promote it and went bankrupt soon after the release. Also there was a lot of confusion as to who was in the band and what was happening at the time and that did not do Yes nor the album sales any favors as well.

[Frumious B]

Fans normally castigate bands for trying to "maximize the revenue stream from the fans". Isn't that a common complaint made by those who think Yes shouldn't have carried on without Anderson? Maybe Yes won't attract any new fans, but maybe striving to get new fans and not just focusing on maximising profit will give us better music.

As for your numbers... well, Fly from Here had sold about 100k (worldwide) earlier this year. Survival and Other Stories, as a comparison of an album without much promotional push from the small label it's on, sold somewhere very approximately around 10k, I believe.

Henry

People criticize artists for doing things that they regard as sleazy and exploitive in the name of making more money, not for the act of making money. There's certainly nothing sleazy or exploitive about eliminating all those corporate middle men. That's what is called "sticking it to the man" I believe.

I think that if a little band like echolyn can make the caliber of music they make on their own, with no label support and while the band members all work day jobs to boot that a band with the fanbase, resources and experience of Yes should have absolutely no difficulty producing a quality product without a label. If anything I think that sort of approach actually represents the shining future of artistically minded music while the labels can sink into the tar pits of irrelevance. Possibly my favorite album of the century so far is Marbles by Marillion, another band that helped to pioneer the approach I'm advocating.

If FFH sold 100k then the band could end up seeing roughly the same amount of money selling 10k with no label. I'd expect they would sell significantly more than 10k.

I read an interview once with Steve Vai where he said that the thing that made him and gave him the resources and the financial freedom to do whatever he wanted wasn't recording with David Lee Roth or Whitesnake or his higher profile solo albums like Passion And Warfare, but releasing Flexable on his own way back in 1984.

[Frumious B]

Well, you're right that there was a significant drop in sales from Union to Talk. Union indeed sold 750.000 and Talk sold 300.000. But ar more significant drop in sales was between BG and Union or BG and ABWH if you like, because ABWH sold around 750.000 as well. BG however sold 3.000.0000.

I think the main reason for the drop is sales between Union and Talk was the lack of good promotion. Union got great promotion from the record company. When Talk was released record company Victory did hardly anything to promote it and went bankrupt soon after the release. Also there was a lot of confusion as to who was in the band and what was happening at the time and that did not do Yes nor the album sales any favors as well.

I don't think you can ignore bad will from fans over Union being such a poor album. A band that puts out an album like that DESERVES for their next one to sell less IMHO.

[Punj Lizard]

I don't think you can ignore bad will from fans over Union being such a poor album. A band that puts out an album like that DESERVES for their next one to sell less IMHO.

Same goes for BG.

[kirk]

Same goes for BG.

?? They'd kill for sales like BG now.

[RelayerI]

[QUOTE=Mr. Holland;2355012]When Talk was released record company Victory did hardly anything to promote it[/QUOTTrue - I found it in a second hand CD shop - and I didn't even know Yes had a new album out at the time !

[Mr. Holland]

When Talk was released record company Victory did hardly anything to promote it

True - I found it in a second hand CD shop - and I didn't even know Yes had a new album out at the time !

I got to know about it, because an at the time popular radio DJ was into Yes and always into introducing new albums from artists that rarely got airplay through playing a song of such an album. He played 'the Calling' and I remember being very surprised that it was the 90125 line-up and the others weren't there anymore.