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    Forgotten Yesterdays forgotten?

    I have tried to get to the site for quite some time now but no luck.
    We still have the link up but I think they are off line.

    Has this been discussed? Sorry if it has.

    It took alot of work and I hope it is not lost.
    YesWorld should take it over I think.
    I also think Yesworld should be the main source for all things Yes and they dont even come close.
    They are only interested in being current and not about history it seems to me.


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    Konira wants Forgotten Yesterdays back too.

    I use it as a research hub.

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    Hasn't been working for me for a few weeks unfortunately. I fear it's really forgotten now...what a great site that was.

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    Fear not, it's not forgotten, and only temporarily gone. It will be back, new and better.

    I'll use this thread as a place to keep you all updated.

    Here's the story and status :
    Early this year the site was getting slammed by hacks that inserted bad code into the site, causing people's computers to get infections when they visited. Whoever or whatever was doing it seemed determined, because they would use different 'entry points' into the FY code whenever we fixed the prior one. So Peter Whipple and I would have to go in and clean it up regularly, and eventually had to 'seal off' parts of the site, removing functions that were vulnerable to attack code. That worked for awhile. I continued to do regular updates and add visual/text content by FTP, and people could still at least enter reviews of concerts.


    Then around May, the site's ISP, riva.net -- who actually own the FY domain name, due to an unfortunate (but at the time attractive) deal Peter made with them for free hosting -- shut down administrative access to the site; our logins no longer worked. No explanation given, no replies sent to the many email and phone inquiries made by Peter and myself.

    I was still able, through a script Peter fortunately had written previously, to do a limited range of text edits , which is how I was able to add the last tour dates. But that's all. Without FTP access, administering the site became basically impossible.

    Meanwhile, Peter had long been working on a new version of the site, with much more secure code, and new features, and that was ready to launch by midsummer. But we didn't want to do it knowing that the old site was still there.


    We figured that come late August, when the domain expired, Peter would be able to take the domain back, and we could move forward. He was ready to do so but found, on the actual day, that the domain had been automatically re-assigned to riva.net.


    Late October I was in the DC area and thought I would pay a visit to riva.net, which according to WHOIS records is based in Riva, MD. But I couldn't find an actual address beyond a PO Box. Every ISP path I traced , and every phone number 'officially' associated with riva and its related entities (e.g., ARCHAEUS.NET, ARCHAEIC.COM, SKYCOMM, INTERCACHE), was a dead end. (One phone number for turned out to be for a phone sex line). So I wasn't able to deal with riva.net directly.


    When I got back, I decided to review all my FY-related correspondence. I found an old email from Elys Rand, who had been one of several people who helped Peter set up the site originally (before I signed on), and who helped me out once when there was a problem with the site. I traced Elys' ISP info from his email headers it turned out to be...riva.net. I found out from Peter that Elys had in fact been his original contact to riva. So I wrote Elys asking if he knew what was going on, and could he help us out. No reply. But within a day or two, FY went down completely, and it's still down today.


    That's where we stand today. It appears to be a *good* sign that the site is gone; it would be better still if we had ownership of the forgottenyesterdays.com. Peter has written the appropriate authorities to request the domain back. In the meantime , be assured that the database was fortunately backed up before the site went down, so we can re-launch without having to re-create the data manually (which would have been impossible in the case of reviews). And that's good too.


    I have suggested that if riva.net doesn't let go of the domain name, that we try a new name -- perhaps TheRemembering_dot_whatever (com,org,net, whatever is available)? What do you guys think? (Personally I always thought 'Forgotten Yesterdays' was a bit odd, since the whole point of the site is that we *aren't* letting those yesterdays be forgotten.)


    When there are new developments, I'll be posting them to this thread.
    Last edited by ssully; 11-24-2010 at 03:58 PM.

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    Re: Forgotten Yesterdays forgotten?

    Thanks for the info.

    Sounds like you've had a hell of a time of it.

    I'd go with your idea of a re-launch with a new name.

    I'm sure you'll get a few suggestions here!
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    Wow! What a nightmare. All the best getting things up and running again. It was/is a good site.

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    Re: Forgotten Yesterdays forgotten?

    I have suggested that if riva.net doesn't let go of the domain name, that we try a new name -- perhaps TheRemembering_dot_whatever (com,org,net, whatever is available)? What do you guys think? (Personally I always thought 'Forgotten Yesterdays' was a bit odd, since the whole point of the site is that we *aren't* letting those yesterdays be forgotten.)
    Hm. I like the new name idea. I also think Endless Dream would work too. Or changing "Does It Really Happen?" to "Did It Really Happen?" But most people probably would rather have it registered with a classic lineup tune as the address, I'm sure.

    I'm hoping this all gets worked out soon, though. I loved the site and really miss it!

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    "that's just, like, your opinion, man."


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    Wow!! What an ordeal!!

    I've been trying to get on the site for over a week. I'm really glad to see an explanation here. While I'm sorry it's gone for now, I'm happy to hear you'll more then likely get it up and running again (whether with a new name or not). I have to say I really miss it.

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    Wow what a story. Cant wait for the new site.

    How about :

    YESTOURS
    YESSTAGES PAST
    YESTOURPAGE

    Anyway I am sure we can come up with a good name for you.

    I would say screw those bastards and start over a new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssully View Post
    Fear not, it's not forgotten, and only temporarily gone. It will be back, new and better.

    I have suggested that if riva.net doesn't let go of the domain name, that we try a new name -- perhaps TheRemembering_dot_whatever (com,org,net, whatever is available)? What do you guys think? (Personally I always thought 'Forgotten Yesterdays' was a bit odd, since the whole point of the site is that we *aren't* letting those yesterdays be forgotten.)


    When there are new developments, I'll be posting them to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssully View Post
    Fear not, it's not forgotten, and only temporarily gone. It will be back, new and better.

    I'll use this thread as a place to keep you all updated.

    Here's the story and status :
    Early this year the site was getting slammed by hacks that inserted bad code into the site, causing people's computers to get infections when they visited. Whoever or whatever was doing it seemed determined, because they would use different 'entry points' into the FY code whenever we fixed the prior one. So Peter Whipple and I would have to go in and clean it up regularly, and eventually had to 'seal off' parts of the site, removing functions that were vulnerable to attack code. That worked for awhile. I continued to do regular updates and add visual/text content by FTP, and people could still at least enter reviews of concerts.


    Then around May, the site's ISP, riva.net -- who actually own the FY domain name, due to an unfortunate (but at the time attractive) deal Peter made with them for free hosting -- shut down administrative access to the site; our logins no longer worked. No explanation given, no replies sent to the many email and phone inquiries made by Peter and myself.

    I was still able, through a script Peter fortunately had written previously, to do a limited range of text edits , which is how I was able to add the last tour dates. But that's all. Without FTP access, administering the site became basically impossible.

    Meanwhile, Peter had long been working on a new version of the site, with much more secure code, and new features, and that was ready to launch by midsummer. But we didn't want to do it knowing that the old site was still there.


    We figured that come late August, when the domain expired, Peter would be able to take the domain back, and we could move forward. He was ready to do so but found, on the actual day, that the domain had been automatically re-assigned to riva.net.


    Late October I was in the DC area and thought I would pay a visit to riva.net, which according to WHOIS records is based in Riva, MD. But I couldn't find an actual address beyond a PO Box. Every ISP path I traced , and every phone number 'officially' associated with riva and its related entities (e.g., ARCHAEUS.NET, ARCHAEIC.COM, SKYCOMM, INTERCACHE), was a dead end. (One phone number for turned out to be for a phone sex line). So I wasn't able to deal with riva.net directly.


    When I got back, I decided to review all my FY-related correspondence. I found an old email from Elys Rand, who had been one of several people who helped Peter set up the site originally (before I signed on), and who helped me out once when there was a problem with the site. I traced Elys' ISP info from his email headers it turned out to be...riva.net. I found out from Peter that Elys had in fact been his original contact to riva. So I wrote Elys asking if he knew what was going on, and could he help us out. No reply. But within a day or two, FY went down completely, and it's still down today.


    That's where we stand today. It appears to be a *good* sign that the site is gone; it would be better still if we had ownership of the forgottenyesterdays.com. Peter has written the appropriate authorities to request the domain back. In the meantime , be assured that the database was fortunately backed up before the site went down, so we can re-launch without having to re-create the data manually (which would have been impossible in the case of reviews). And that's good too.


    I have suggested that if riva.net doesn't let go of the domain name, that we try a new name -- perhaps TheRemembering_dot_whatever (com,org,net, whatever is available)? What do you guys think? (Personally I always thought 'Forgotten Yesterdays' was a bit odd, since the whole point of the site is that we *aren't* letting those yesterdays be forgotten.)


    When there are new developments, I'll be posting them to this thread.
    Thanks to both you and Pete for building such a fantastic resource and for fighting to keep it alive.

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    Re: Forgotten Yesterdays forgotten?

    Thanks for the info Steven.. Wow sounds a bit more complicated than I ever imagined. It would be a shame to lose such a resource, one that Pete, and in the end yourself have put so much time and effort into. That site brought back the great Yes memories for each and every Yes fan, no matter what your favorite line-up, album, or era was/is.

    Thanks again for the update!
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    Thanks for that information - I didn't know that background.

    The Remembering sounds like a GREAT name!

    Support the site server fund!




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    It is disheartening indeed to need to go through so much turmoil to maintain such a generous resource. I, too, have turned to FY on many occasions to be sure that my memory is correct before spouting off with one of those 'I was there' remarks! This compendium of knowledge all together in one place is priceless. I am eager to see the new and improved site!

    I am curious, however, as to who could be inserting these hacks directly into the code? Most 'malware' seeks a wide audience. FY seems like a bit of a backwater for the enterprising virus author. Was someone targeting the site (and the fans) directly? Heavens! Who could hate us so? We're nice!


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    Quote Originally Posted by True Believer View Post
    Thanks for that information - I didn't know that background.

    The Remembering sounds like a GREAT name!
    ...and of course forgotten yesterdays _is_ a lyric from 'The Remembering'
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Whale View Post
    Thanks so much! I had never thought of using the Internet Archive all the times I've been trying to get to this site the past few weeks.

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    Thanks for all the "volunteer" work Steve! Any domain name is fine, as long as we can once again enjoy the awesome site....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssully View Post
    Fear not, it's not forgotten, and only temporarily gone. It will be back, new and better.

    I'll use this thread as a place to keep you all updated.

    Here's the story and status :
    Early this year the site was getting slammed by hacks that inserted bad code into the site, causing people's computers to get infections when they visited. Whoever or whatever was doing it seemed determined, because they would use different 'entry points' into the FY code whenever we fixed the prior one. So Peter Whipple and I would have to go in and clean it up regularly, and eventually had to 'seal off' parts of the site, removing functions that were vulnerable to attack code. That worked for awhile. I continued to do regular updates and add visual/text content by FTP, and people could still at least enter reviews of concerts.


    Then around May, the site's ISP, riva.net -- who actually own the FY domain name, due to an unfortunate (but at the time attractive) deal Peter made with them for free hosting -- shut down administrative access to the site; our logins no longer worked. No explanation given, no replies sent to the many email and phone inquiries made by Peter and myself.

    I was still able, through a script Peter fortunately had written previously, to do a limited range of text edits , which is how I was able to add the last tour dates. But that's all. Without FTP access, administering the site became basically impossible.

    Meanwhile, Peter had long been working on a new version of the site, with much more secure code, and new features, and that was ready to launch by midsummer. But we didn't want to do it knowing that the old site was still there.


    We figured that come late August, when the domain expired, Peter would be able to take the domain back, and we could move forward. He was ready to do so but found, on the actual day, that the domain had been automatically re-assigned to riva.net.


    Late October I was in the DC area and thought I would pay a visit to riva.net, which according to WHOIS records is based in Riva, MD. But I couldn't find an actual address beyond a PO Box. Every ISP path I traced , and every phone number 'officially' associated with riva and its related entities (e.g., ARCHAEUS.NET, ARCHAEIC.COM, SKYCOMM, INTERCACHE), was a dead end. (One phone number for turned out to be for a phone sex line). So I wasn't able to deal with riva.net directly.


    When I got back, I decided to review all my FY-related correspondence. I found an old email from Elys Rand, who had been one of several people who helped Peter set up the site originally (before I signed on), and who helped me out once when there was a problem with the site. I traced Elys' ISP info from his email headers it turned out to be...riva.net. I found out from Peter that Elys had in fact been his original contact to riva. So I wrote Elys asking if he knew what was going on, and could he help us out. No reply. But within a day or two, FY went down completely, and it's still down today.


    That's where we stand today. It appears to be a *good* sign that the site is gone; it would be better still if we had ownership of the forgottenyesterdays.com. Peter has written the appropriate authorities to request the domain back. In the meantime , be assured that the database was fortunately backed up before the site went down, so we can re-launch without having to re-create the data manually (which would have been impossible in the case of reviews). And that's good too.


    I have suggested that if riva.net doesn't let go of the domain name, that we try a new name -- perhaps TheRemembering_dot_whatever (com,org,net, whatever is available)? What do you guys think? (Personally I always thought 'Forgotten Yesterdays' was a bit odd, since the whole point of the site is that we *aren't* letting those yesterdays be forgotten.)


    When there are new developments, I'll be posting them to this thread.
    Ditto what Steve said. The site will return soon one way or another.

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    I was just trying and wondered what had happened. Yes, it is a great site. Good luck getting it back up.

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    Personally I'm ok with with the name/brand "Forgotten Yesterdays".
    It's a title we are all familiar with, and truth be told, I really have forgotten some of those shows, and it's good to go back, read the reviews, see the memorabilia..etc.

    Good Luck with getting it back online.

    Regards, Brian

    Quote Originally Posted by ssully View Post
    I have suggested that if riva.net doesn't let go of the domain name, that we try a new name -- perhaps TheRemembering_dot_whatever (com,org,net, whatever is available)? What do you guys think? (Personally I always thought 'Forgotten Yesterdays' was a bit odd, since the whole point of the site is that we *aren't* letting those yesterdays be forgotten.)
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