Konira wants Forgotten Yesterdays back too.
I use it as a research hub.
I have tried to get to the site for quite some time now but no luck.
We still have the link up but I think they are off line.
Has this been discussed? Sorry if it has.
It took alot of work and I hope it is not lost.
YesWorld should take it over I think.
I also think Yesworld should be the main source for all things Yes and they dont even come close.
They are only interested in being current and not about history it seems to me.
Konira wants Forgotten Yesterdays back too.
I use it as a research hub.
Fear not, it's not forgotten, and only temporarily gone. It will be back, new and better.
I'll use this thread as a place to keep you all updated.
Here's the story and status :
Early this year the site was getting slammed by hacks that inserted bad code into the site, causing people's computers to get infections when they visited. Whoever or whatever was doing it seemed determined, because they would use different 'entry points' into the FY code whenever we fixed the prior one. So Peter Whipple and I would have to go in and clean it up regularly, and eventually had to 'seal off' parts of the site, removing functions that were vulnerable to attack code. That worked for awhile. I continued to do regular updates and add visual/text content by FTP, and people could still at least enter reviews of concerts.
Then around May, the site's ISP, riva.net -- who actually own the FY domain name, due to an unfortunate (but at the time attractive) deal Peter made with them for free hosting -- shut down administrative access to the site; our logins no longer worked. No explanation given, no replies sent to the many email and phone inquiries made by Peter and myself.
I was still able, through a script Peter fortunately had written previously, to do a limited range of text edits , which is how I was able to add the last tour dates. But that's all. Without FTP access, administering the site became basically impossible.
Meanwhile, Peter had long been working on a new version of the site, with much more secure code, and new features, and that was ready to launch by midsummer. But we didn't want to do it knowing that the old site was still there.
We figured that come late August, when the domain expired, Peter would be able to take the domain back, and we could move forward. He was ready to do so but found, on the actual day, that the domain had been automatically re-assigned to riva.net.
Late October I was in the DC area and thought I would pay a visit to riva.net, which according to WHOIS records is based in Riva, MD. But I couldn't find an actual address beyond a PO Box. Every ISP path I traced , and every phone number 'officially' associated with riva and its related entities (e.g., ARCHAEUS.NET, ARCHAEIC.COM, SKYCOMM, INTERCACHE), was a dead end. (One phone number for turned out to be for a phone sex line). So I wasn't able to deal with riva.net directly.
When I got back, I decided to review all my FY-related correspondence. I found an old email from Elys Rand, who had been one of several people who helped Peter set up the site originally (before I signed on), and who helped me out once when there was a problem with the site. I traced Elys' ISP info from his email headers it turned out to be...riva.net. I found out from Peter that Elys had in fact been his original contact to riva. So I wrote Elys asking if he knew what was going on, and could he help us out. No reply. But within a day or two, FY went down completely, and it's still down today.
That's where we stand today. It appears to be a *good* sign that the site is gone; it would be better still if we had ownership of the forgottenyesterdays.com. Peter has written the appropriate authorities to request the domain back. In the meantime , be assured that the database was fortunately backed up before the site went down, so we can re-launch without having to re-create the data manually (which would have been impossible in the case of reviews). And that's good too.
I have suggested that if riva.net doesn't let go of the domain name, that we try a new name -- perhaps TheRemembering_dot_whatever (com,org,net, whatever is available)? What do you guys think? (Personally I always thought 'Forgotten Yesterdays' was a bit odd, since the whole point of the site is that we *aren't* letting those yesterdays be forgotten.)
When there are new developments, I'll be posting them to this thread.
Last edited by ssully; 11-24-2010 at 03:58 PM.
Thanks for the info.
Sounds like you've had a hell of a time of it.
I'd go with your idea of a re-launch with a new name.
I'm sure you'll get a few suggestions here!
Please consider donating to the site server fund!
"Do you want to cruelly and thoughtlessly wrench apart God's own United Kingdom which stood up against the Nazis in WW2 and be cast into utter darkness without heat, food or light forever and have to worship Alex Salmond like he was Kim Il-Sung? Do you? Do you? Eh? Because if you do you're just letting Hitler win. Plus your football team will still be rubbish, you'll make the Baby Jesus cry, and this little kitten will drown. And that's a fact."
Hm. I like the new name idea. I also think Endless Dream would work too. Or changing "Does It Really Happen?" to "Did It Really Happen?" But most people probably would rather have it registered with a classic lineup tune as the address, I'm sure.I have suggested that if riva.net doesn't let go of the domain name, that we try a new name -- perhaps TheRemembering_dot_whatever (com,org,net, whatever is available)? What do you guys think? (Personally I always thought 'Forgotten Yesterdays' was a bit odd, since the whole point of the site is that we *aren't* letting those yesterdays be forgotten.)
I'm hoping this all gets worked out soon, though. I loved the site and really miss it!
Hay guys try this for now
"that's just, like, your opinion, man."
Wow!! What an ordeal!!
I've been trying to get on the site for over a week. I'm really glad to see an explanation here. While I'm sorry it's gone for now, I'm happy to hear you'll more then likely get it up and running again (whether with a new name or not). I have to say I really miss it.
Thanks for the info Steven.. Wow sounds a bit more complicated than I ever imagined. It would be a shame to lose such a resource, one that Pete, and in the end yourself have put so much time and effort into. That site brought back the great Yes memories for each and every Yes fan, no matter what your favorite line-up, album, or era was/is.
Thanks again for the update!
Tom, Bert, Bill??? Which troll are you today?
"Hippies please use side door"
"It is Best To Consult Others Before Taking Unusual Actions"
I'm not sure who's more dangerous, the band or the fans.....
It is disheartening indeed to need to go through so much turmoil to maintain such a generous resource. I, too, have turned to FY on many occasions to be sure that my memory is correct before spouting off with one of those 'I was there' remarks! This compendium of knowledge all together in one place is priceless. I am eager to see the new and improved site!
I am curious, however, as to who could be inserting these hacks directly into the code? Most 'malware' seeks a wide audience. FY seems like a bit of a backwater for the enterprising virus author. Was someone targeting the site (and the fans) directly? Heavens! Who could hate us so? We're nice!
Standing in the Sun...Idiot Savant...
Something Like a Monument...
Personally I'm ok with with the name/brand "Forgotten Yesterdays".
It's a title we are all familiar with, and truth be told, I really have forgotten some of those shows, and it's good to go back, read the reviews, see the memorabilia..etc.
Good Luck with getting it back online.
Going for the One Hundred 2013.