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    The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    ... according to the latest issue of Classic Rock magazine that is (in chronological order):

    Freak Out - Frank Zappa
    The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
    The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
    Procol Harum - S/T
    Pink Floyd - The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
    Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed
    The Nice - The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack
    King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King
    Fairport Convention - Liege & Lief
    Soft Machine - Volume Two
    Curved Air - Air Conditioning
    Van der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other
    Magma - S/T
    Barclay James Harvest - Once Again
    Jethro Tull - Aqualung
    Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
    E.L.P. - Tarkus
    Focus - Moving Waves
    Yes - Fragile
    Genesis - Foxtrot
    Gentle Giant - Octopus
    Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
    Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
    Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds Of Fire
    Genesis - Selling England By The Pound
    E.L.P. - Brain Salad Surgery
    Gong - Angel's Egg
    Rick Wakeman - Journey To The Centre Of The Earth
    Supertramp - Crime Of The Century
    E.L.O. - Eldorado
    Kraftwerk - Autobahn
    Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time
    Renaissance - Scheherazade
    Camel - Moonmadness
    Alan Parsons - Tales Of Mystery And Imagination
    Kansas - Leftoverture
    Peter Gabriel - First
    Rush - A Farewell To Kings
    Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
    Asia - S/T
    Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
    Yes - 90125
    Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
    Dream Theater - When Dream And Day Unite
    Radiohead - OK Computer
    Opeth - Blackwater Park
    The Mars Volta - Deloused In The Comatorium
    Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
    Muse - Black Holes And Revelations
    Mastodon - Crack The Skye

    Very subjective of course, but ...

    No Close To The Edge!!!!!!!??????? WTF???
    Kraftwerk, but not Tangerine Dream?
    Where's Pink Floyd's The Wall?
    No CAN??
    No Steve Hackett?
    No UK?
    Are Pet Sounds, Pepper and Piper really prog? Is 90125?

    To only have one of Yes' "big three" (when they have two of Genesis and E.L.P.) and to completely ignore the Wetton/Bruford-era Crimson are HUGE omissions.

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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    "Built prog rock"? I don't get it.

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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by Meng;1992903Are Pet Sounds, Pepper and Piper [I
    really[/I] prog? Is 90125?
    Sgt. Pepper's, yes, I can see that as leading to prog. The seques, the sound effects, were really quite ahead of their time, as is, especially, A Day in The Life.
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    hmmm...

    Pet Sounds, Pepper, and Piper were very influential to that which followed, so I can see that completely.

    No real comment on the rest... I am surprised to see Fragile over CTTE... was one really more influential than the other?
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by Roan's Lady View Post
    "Built prog rock"? I don't get it.
    "Classic Rock consulted the 'progniscenti!' - everyone from Porcupine Tree's Steven Wilson, ELP's Carl Palmer, Fairport's Dave Pegg, Ihsahn, members of Marillion, Magenta, Pallas, Mastodon, Mostly Autumn and Dream Theater to long-term prog fans like Alice Cooper - to collate the 50 albums that have defined this most esoteric of genres."

    How can you "define" the prog genre without having CTTE and either Red or Larks' Tongues??

    They'll get letters. And emails.
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by CybrKhatru View Post
    hmmm...

    Pet Sounds, Pepper, and Piper were very influential to that which followed, so I can see that completely.
    Influential, yes. Psychedelic, yes. Prog (which after all is the title of the piece), no.

    And if psychedelic/art rock and influential is allowed, where was Floyd's Meddle and Ege Bamyasi or Future Days by CAN?
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by Meng View Post
    "Classic Rock consulted the 'progniscenti!' - everyone from Porcupine Tree's Steven Wilson, ELP's Carl Palmer, Fairport's Dave Pegg, Ihsahn, members of Marillion, Magenta, Pallas, Mastodon, Mostly Autumn and Dream Theater to long-term prog fans like Alice Cooper - to collate the 50 albums that have defined this most esoteric of genres."

    How can you "define" the prog genre without having CTTE and either Red or Larks' Tongues??

    They'll get letters. And emails.
    My previous "I don't get it" comment arose from the fact that it wasn't clear to me whether this list is comprised of work which has influenced the genre or has defined it. In seeing now that it's the latter, I find quite a few on the list with which I agree, but there are some seminal recordings which are missing. Some included on the list are true headscratchers, including 90125, which hardly "defined" prog, but instead, offered a watered-down version of it, and hardly progressive at that.

    Oh well. Just the opinions of some "progniscenti" (great word) who likely offered up some of their favorites in their quest to be objective - some including their own work - what a surprise!
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    THE MARS VOLTA is so annoying

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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    renaissance ????? mediocre at best..what aboutn king crimson..red

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    Dream Theater's first album?....what about SfaM instead...their best.

    No Led Zeppelin I or II? ...or any other Zep (IV?) ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mageestout View Post
    THE MARS VOLTA is so annoying
    Oh god, I agree!!


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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    I actually would have put The Yes Album on the list if we are talking about albums that built prog. I think it was a pivotal album in the genre's history. YIND, Starship Trooper, Perpetual Change... that's the sh!t man.
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    These lists are always subjective ofcourse so there's no point in getting all worked up because such and such isn't on it. Classic rock magazine is good and so is their PROG magazine but they seem to have a definite bias towards British prog bands.

    Personally I find it pretty insulting that 90125(which I like) is on there while some of the albums that helped revive prog in the 90's such as the first two Echolyn albums, Anglagard's "hybris," Spock's Beard's "the light" and even Dream Theater's "images and words" are absent. Heck even a different and earlier Porcupine Tree album would make more sense. But as I said earlier these lists often don't make a lot of sense and are very subjective not to mention often frustrating.
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by fovman View Post
    No Led Zeppelin I or II? ...or any other Zep (IV?) ??

    Are You Experienced?
    These were regarded as progressive back when they were first released as most "underground" or "album" bands were, including the likes of Deep Purple and Black Sabbath.

    But not by today's definitions. All these bands are listed at Progarchives, but only as "proto-prog" or "prog-related."
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by Meng View Post
    These were regarded as progressive back when they were first released as most "underground" or "album" bands were, including the likes of Deep Purple and Black Sabbath.

    But not by today's definitions. All these bands are listed at Progarchives, but only as "proto-prog" or "prog-related."
    Exactly, but not in the way I think you meant it.

    I interpreted "built" prog as albums that laid the foundation, such as the aforementioned Zappa, Beatles, Beach Boys albums.

    90125, as much as I enjoy it, would not be on my list of 100 albums that "Built Prog Rock". CTTE would certainly make more sense. TfTO or Relayer would make more sense.

    i think the list is trying to be too many subjects and failing them all.
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    Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time

    If this is one of the 50 greatest wotsits of wotsit, then why can't I stroll down to my local HMV (or Virgin if you've still got 'em) Enormostore AND BUY ONE!!!???
    15 years of this pish is probably enough...

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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    i am very surprised that 90125 is in there

    where is CTTE ???

    crazy

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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    Weird list.. it's as if it STARTS with albums that influenced prog, then transitions to albums that DEFINE it, and then transitions to albums that were INFLUENCED by it...
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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    Exactly, Matt.

    I'd switch out Deadwing for Signify.

    I love Black Holes and Revelations, but I'm not sure I'd put it in the prog camp.

    The Mars Volta isn't annoying when played live. It goes way beyond that into sonic rape. Although Deloused has its moments.

    OK Computer? DEFINITELY. It's the DSOTM of Gen X/Y. If you're going to pick one Radiohead, that's the one. I might also include Kid A.

    I'd include Damnation over Blackwater Park if you're going to include Opeth. It's more proggy.

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    Re: The 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock

    I'd say The Beatles (White Album) and Abbey Road should be in this list; the former because it was a rock band using (and creating) many different styles of music ("Helter Skelter" is the original heavy metal song, IMHO), and the latter for the musical suite that takes up most of side 2.
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