Remastered Edition??

Winston TK · 02-15-2003

Does anyone out there know if a completely remastered edition of "90125" is available?

All of the copies I seem to come across are the original pressing. I know that there is a version with 2 additional tracks included (the remake of "Owner" and a Rick Wakeman song), but is this edition remastered?

Recently, I discovered a copy of "90125" with the words "Original Masters" written on the spine. What is the deal here?

This is a great album, to be sure. But the original CD transfer is definitely lacking in quality now that the technology has improved considerably over the years.

The tracks from this disc that are included on the "In A Word" boxset are so much more crisp sounding. I'd love to have this sound for the entire "90125" experience.

Can anyone help?

Thanks.

--Winston TK

RobAdams · 02-15-2003

It's very likely that Rhino/Elektra will be issuing a much improved 90125 this year.

Dragonfly · 02-16-2003

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Originally posted by RobAdams Rhino/Elektra...(re)issuing...90125 this year.

With the bonus tracks included in the re-release of the first four albums, I wonder if the re-release of 90125 will give us the full 20-minute "Cinema" (of which the officially released bit is just the ending.)

Has anyone heard it in its entirety? Do boots exist???

Dragonfly

Faceintheplace · 02-16-2003

I've always wondered if boots of Yes' "Time" exist too. I've never seen or heard one ever. I hope that the remastered 90125 has that great accapella "Leave It." I have this nightmare that since Trevor is already releasing the Cinema marterial on his own (which I thought for sure he'd hand over to Rhino) and the fact that there probably isn't recording of "Time" the bonus cuts will be those horrible remix versions of "Owner" and "Leave It."

RobAdams · 02-16-2003

I could live without the dance mixes, thanks!

I do know that the accapella LEAVE IT was issued on a various artists CD of accapella music. Don't know the title though.

yarstruly · 02-16-2003

There is also "Make it Easy" Which is of course on Yesyears...are there any other demos of songs with Chris or Trevor singing? I would love the a-capella "Leave It" on CD though...

Faceintheplace · 02-17-2003

Yeah there are a few other Cinema titles that didn't make the cut for 90125. I can't remeber all of them, but "Open The Door" was one.

RobAdams · 02-17-2003

Maybe by some amazing miracle the full version of CINEMA a/k/a TIME will be released on the Rhino/Elektra 90125 CD. I believe that every recording artist has more unreleased material than they usually admit to.

Emops · 08-28-2003

I think when the 90125 Rhino remaster comes out, 9012Live should be included as a bonus disc...but that's just me.

Martin Riley · 08-28-2003

I think 9012 Live should be totally remastered and boosted to a full 2CD set of that tour

SonicDeath10 · 09-03-2003

i am actually really really excited about the rerelease of this album. i know i know. it's not Yes, per se but it's a really good album. i hope the full version of cinema is released. wow.

TTT · 01-29-2004

Oh, don't start that "it's not YES, per se" stuff. The band accepts it as YES material. Shouldn't that be good enough?

I can't wait for the redefined, enhanced 90125. My 12" a cappella "Leave It" is sounding pretty poor these days, and has for years.

SonicDeath10 · 01-29-2004

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Originally Posted by TTT

Oh, don't start that "it's not YES, per se" stuff. The band accepts it as YES material. Shouldn't that be good enough?

I can't wait for the redefined, enhanced 90125. My 12" a cappella "Leave It" is sounding pretty poor these days, and has for years.

you're right. i posted that a long time ago. :p i suppose three members of Yes plus a great guitarist with a great sense of melody is Yes: after all, wasn't Steve a great guitarist with a great sense of melody?!

plus the first two albums didn't feature steve at all. but they're still considered Yes. why shouldn't 90125 be considered Yes? because it's not progressive? NEWS FLASH. neither were the first two albums. i've only came to realize this after listening to 90125 and big generator and realizing they're great albums. Plus isn't the meaning of progressive rock to er progress?! so yeah Yes did that. :)

Dragonfly · 01-29-2004

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Originally Posted by SonicDeath10

why shouldn't 90125 be considered Yes? because it's not progressive? NEWS FLASH. neither were the first two albums.:)

I have to disagree. The jazzier elements of the first two albums seem very Prog to me. Plus, and more importantly here, I think 90125 is progressive in many areas. The obvious evidence is found in “Changes”. The beginning and ending “clockwork” sections – written by Alan, if I’m not mistaken – are quite Prog in meter. Even "Owner of a Lonely Heart" has it's Prog moments; sure, not enough to please Prog Purists (such as myself), but I know it's much more adventurous than its New W.ave cousins. Find an 80's New W.ave compilation that includes "Owner" and listen to all of the other tracks. By comparison, "Owner of a Lonely Heart" is way progressive.

Dragonfly

What's sad is that it appears BIG GENERATOR won't also be remastered. It needs it!

SonicDeath10 · 01-29-2004

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I have to disagree. The jazzier elements of the first two albums seem very Prog to me. Plus, and more importantly here, I think 90125 is progressive in many areas. The obvious evidence is found in “Changes”. The beginning and ending “clockwork” sections – written by Alan, if I’m not mistaken – are quite Prog in meter. Even "Owner of a Lonely Heart" has it's Prog moments; sure, not enough to please Prog Purists (such as myself), but I know it's much more adventurous than its New W.ave cousins. Find an 80's New W.ave compilation that includes "Owner" and listen to all of the other tracks. By comparison, "Owner of a Lonely Heart" is way progressive.

Dragonfly

What's sad is that it appears BIG GENERATOR won't also be remastered. It needs it!

i've always thought that the first two yes albums were more psychadelic. yes there are some elements of their classic prog sound but it's restrained for the most part. and 90125 does have progressive elements yeah because for Yes it would be impossible for them not to but not as much. 90125 is pretty adventurours a lot of the time i agree. but not in a classic prog way. which doesn't matter to me.

brismike · 01-30-2004

This is what we are getting .. "Time" is not included.

YesWorld details the following bonus tracks: for 90125:

"Leave It" (single remix) (3:52)—remixed by Steve Lipson.
"Make It Easy" (6:08)—as on YesYears.
"It Can Happen" (Cinema version) (6:01)—as on YesYears.
"It's Over" (5:39)—this and the previous two tracks were recorded by Squire, White, Kaye and Rabin at Sunpark Studios (London), engineered by Nigel Luby/Trevor Rabin, produced by the band. YesWorld gives these as dating from Jan 1981, but I think that's a missprint for 1982.
"Owner of a Lonely Heart" (extended remix) (7:03)—previously unissued.
"Leave It" ('a capella' version) (3:19)—mixed by Steve Lipson.

Mike

Faceintheplace · 01-30-2004

It must be a misprint for 1982 because I remember reading that Chris and Alan were tied up with the XYZ project for most of 1981.

Jacaranda · 05-29-2004

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Originally Posted by RobAdams

Maybe by some amazing miracle the full version of CINEMA a/k/a TIME will be released on the Rhino/Elektra 90125 CD. I believe that every recording artist has more unreleased material than they usually admit to.

It would be cool to hear the full version, but it sounds like NOBODY knows where the full-length version is. Rabin said in the NFTE interview last year HE doesn't even know where the full length version is; seems kind of odd the version of the record won a Grammy and the full version fell off the face of the earth....

SonicDeath10 · 05-29-2004

maybe it's not good. although i doubt that. i mean maybe that's why rabin 'can't find it'.

frosted · 08-22-2004

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Originally Posted by Jacaranda

It would be cool to hear the full version, but it sounds like NOBODY knows where the full-length version is. Rabin said in the NFTE interview last year HE doesn't even know where the full length version is; seems kind of odd the version of the record won a Grammy and the full version fell off the face of the earth....

I read a Rabin interview where he stated that Tony Kaye and Alan White both have copies of the full length "Time" track. I sure would like one!!

02-15-2003	#1
Winston TK JR Yesfan Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Vancouver Age: 44 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 14842480	Remastered Edition?? Does anyone out there know if a completely remastered edition of "90125" is available? All of the copies I seem to come across are the original pressing. I know that there is a version with 2 additional tracks included (the remake of "Owner" and a Rick Wakeman song), but is this edition remastered? Recently, I discovered a copy of "90125" with the words "Original Masters" written on the spine. What is the deal here? This is a great album, to be sure. But the original CD transfer is definitely lacking in quality now that the technology has improved considerably over the years. The tracks from this disc that are included on the "In A Word" boxset are so much more crisp sounding. I'd love to have this sound for the entire "90125" experience. Can anyone help? Thanks. --Winston TK

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RobAdams Not Insane! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Silent Wings Of Freedom Age: 48 Posts: 6,449 Rep Power: 107374662	It's very likely that Rhino/Elektra will be issuing a much improved 90125 this year. __________________ "Paranoia- you only have to be right once to make it all worthwhile" - unknown quote from the booklet for George Carlin's "You Are All Diseased".

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Faceintheplace ...the music fits my soul Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North (Ottawa) Age: 28 Posts: 3,556 Rep Power: 107374502	I've always wondered if boots of Yes' "Time" exist too. I've never seen or heard one ever. I hope that the remastered 90125 has that great accapella "Leave It." I have this nightmare that since Trevor is already releasing the Cinema marterial on his own (which I thought for sure he'd hand over to Rhino) and the fact that there probably isn't recording of "Time" the bonus cuts will be those horrible remix versions of "Owner" and "Leave It." __________________ "Yes it's there/ you can see what you want to see..." "What a bloody waste of time this was." - Rick Wakeman "If you ever had the idea that people are terrible you can watch the news and know that you're right." - Frank Zappa

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RobAdams Not Insane! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Silent Wings Of Freedom Age: 48 Posts: 6,449 Rep Power: 107374662	I could live without the dance mixes, thanks! I do know that the accapella LEAVE IT was issued on a various artists CD of accapella music. Don't know the title though. __________________ "Paranoia- you only have to be right once to make it all worthwhile" - unknown quote from the booklet for George Carlin's "You Are All Diseased".

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yarstruly Insane Music Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Covington,GA Age: 41 Posts: 7,959 Rep Power: 107374728	There is also "Make it Easy" Which is of course on Yesyears...are there any other demos of songs with Chris or Trevor singing? I would love the a-capella "Leave It" on CD though... __________________ You Found God? If Nobody Claims Him in 30 days, He`s Yours. 10% off all Jewelry special at Raven's Mist! (Visit site for details)

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Faceintheplace ...the music fits my soul Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North (Ottawa) Age: 28 Posts: 3,556 Rep Power: 107374502	Yeah there are a few other Cinema titles that didn't make the cut for 90125. I can't remeber all of them, but "Open The Door" was one. __________________ "Yes it's there/ you can see what you want to see..." "What a bloody waste of time this was." - Rick Wakeman "If you ever had the idea that people are terrible you can watch the news and know that you're right." - Frank Zappa

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SonicDeath10 Give Love Each Day Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Marquette, Michigan Age: 28 Posts: 2,025 Rep Power: 33005126	i am actually really really excited about the rerelease of this album. i know i know. it's not Yes, per se but it's a really good album. i hope the full version of cinema is released. wow. __________________ I’m a failed poet. Maybe every novelist wants to write poetry first, finds he can’t and then tries the short story which is the most demanding form after poetry. And failing at that, only then does he take up novel writing. - William Faulkner.

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TTT earthbound/starblind Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Empire State, USA Posts: 144 Rep Power: 178	Re: Remastered Edition?? Oh, don't start that "it's not YES, per se" stuff. The band accepts it as YES material. Shouldn't that be good enough? I can't wait for the redefined, enhanced 90125. My 12" a cappella "Leave It" is sounding pretty poor these days, and has for years. __________________ my dream may be your nightmare

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brismike Mega Yesfan Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 509 Rep Power: 10737674	Re: Remastered Edition?? This is what we are getting .. "Time" is not included. YesWorld details the following bonus tracks: for 90125: "Leave It" (single remix) (3:52)—remixed by Steve Lipson. "Make It Easy" (6:08)—as on YesYears. "It Can Happen" (Cinema version) (6:01)—as on YesYears. "It's Over" (5:39)—this and the previous two tracks were recorded by Squire, White, Kaye and Rabin at Sunpark Studios (London), engineered by Nigel Luby/Trevor Rabin, produced by the band. YesWorld gives these as dating from Jan 1981, but I think that's a missprint for 1982. "Owner of a Lonely Heart" (extended remix) (7:03)—previously unissued. "Leave It" ('a capella' version) (3:19)—mixed by Steve Lipson. Mike __________________ Mike Bentley From Sunny Brisbane in the Land Downunder.

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Faceintheplace ...the music fits my soul Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North (Ottawa) Age: 28 Posts: 3,556 Rep Power: 107374502	Re: Remastered Edition?? It must be a misprint for 1982 because I remember reading that Chris and Alan were tied up with the XYZ project for most of 1981. __________________ "Yes it's there/ you can see what you want to see..." "What a bloody waste of time this was." - Rick Wakeman "If you ever had the idea that people are terrible you can watch the news and know that you're right." - Frank Zappa

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SonicDeath10 Give Love Each Day Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Marquette, Michigan Age: 28 Posts: 2,025 Rep Power: 33005126	Re: Remastered Edition?? maybe it's not good. although i doubt that. i mean maybe that's why rabin 'can't find it'. __________________ I’m a failed poet. Maybe every novelist wants to write poetry first, finds he can’t and then tries the short story which is the most demanding form after poetry. And failing at that, only then does he take up novel writing. - William Faulkner.

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