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03-09-2005, 06:35 AM

03-09-2005, 06:39 AM

bondegezou listed the Discography in this thread:

http://www.yesfans.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19220

I'm still just FUMING over this.

03-09-2005, 05:20 PM

Well, I still think the live version of six epics, in one release, would have been better.

zenslinger

03-09-2005, 06:54 PM

I thought Chris chose the songs on Yesshows himself.

03-09-2005, 09:03 PM

That's not what that discography says.

Either way, I cringe every time I think about it. Imagine the CD set:

Disc 1:
The Revealing - live
The Remembering - live

Disc 2:
The Ancient - live
Ritual - live

Disc 3:
Gates of Delirium - live
Awaken - live.

ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGH !!!!

cinderella

03-09-2005, 09:48 PM

ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!

ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGH !!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/N99%20Smileys/cryhug_1_.gif I think Paul needs a hug.

Earl Grey

03-09-2005, 10:08 PM

Yessongs II: I think this would be perfect for a disc and a half of the new boxed-set...

Alas, Yessongs II should've, could've, almost, and no joy there...

What really bothered me about 'Yesshows' was how they edited 'Time & A Word' from the rest of the medley. The rest of the medley was SO amazing! Yipes, the things that could have been.

:yesbird:

Suntower Asking

03-10-2005, 11:47 AM

Ok so that basically would have been the greatest release ever! lets just hope the boxed set that is coming out does well enought to warrant a second one! They should actually make three boxed sets. One of shorter songs ,one of the ten minute stuff ,and one of 20 minute material.

Too bad i dont own a record company.

tardistraveler

03-10-2005, 11:52 AM

Wow - that WOULD be an amazing set!

Perhaps they can still be encouraged to "cough up" those Tales recordings! Those of us who experienced the magic of the complete Tales live KNOW how incredible it was! ;)

Vic Anderson

03-10-2005, 12:03 PM

i wonder if they still have the tapes for the tales
cuz if they would have had them they would have put at least revealing i think

03-10-2005, 04:36 PM

On Yesshows, they included Ritual and Gates of Delirium from a Detroit show on the Solo's tour in 1976. Pat Moraz played keyboards. Ritual was like 28 minutes!

Oddly, Wakeman's participation was pretty much easy songs. Moraz's contribution was the epics (excellent job on Ritual).

betterdeadthanred

03-10-2005, 07:28 PM

Siberian Firebird

03-11-2005, 04:56 PM

About the version of Time and a Word on the as-is Yessongs, was it ever played straight into Going For the One, or does it just appear that way after it got removed from its right and proper spot in the medley?

The latter...as far as I know it never segued directly into GFTO, as it appears to on Yesshows. It suprised me to find this out, years after Yesshows came out...I thought that segue sounded pretty cool! TAAW was the first part of the big medley from the Tormato tour, that we'll finally hear in its entirety on the new box set. And a great medley it was: TAAW/Long Distance Runaround/The Fish/Perpetual Change/Soon.

CybrKhatru

03-11-2005, 05:39 PM

There is a note about Yesshows in a Discography of Yes recordings.

Here is what it said about Yesshows:

(The band could not decide between a triple-album including all of Tales From Topographic Oceans, The Gates Of Delirium & Awaken or
a double-album with some different tracks. A July 1979 release date was set, then canceled. Atlantic then took demo mixes and released this
double-album in Nov/Dec 1980.)

ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH! ALL of Tales, Gates, and Awaken all set for a 3 disc Live LP and it gets cancelled. THIS is THE BIGGEST blunder Yes/Atlantic/management/whomever has ever made.

However, what recordings did the band intend to use? Now I think we know there are recordings of Tales that the band has (or Atlantic or ??).

Cough up those Tales recordings!!!! NOW !!!

It may be futile---but I still keep hoping for a revamped 2CD Yesshows, with polished mixes and at least the rest of Tales live---since the current Yesshows fits nicely on one CD, the 2nd CD COULD have the remaining 3 TFTO tracks, and maybe one or two other tunes.

Paul, you're right though---that was a serious botch, not putting the "epic" collection out!

---Matt

BrianD

03-11-2005, 06:46 PM

I like the idea of an epic collection. I can understand why they vetoed it in 1979 - another version of Tales at that time would not have been commercially popular. But there is no excuse now.

But I think they should consider going the whole hog - add another CD that includes CTTE (say a remastered Yessongs version), Endless Dream and Mind Drive (combine the two parts from 2004)

Earl Grey

03-11-2005, 06:54 PM

...I think they should consider going the whole hog - add another CD that includes CTTE (say a remastered Yessongs version), Endless Dream and Mind Drive (combine the two parts from 2004)

I agree Brian. I imagine that the Live Box s going to be marketed to the long-time Yesheads, it's not the sort of thing most newbies would be interested in.

I think most of us don't mind paying a bit more for a HUGE, all-inclusive Live Boxed Set, full of booklets, photos, posters... Make it lavish, and don't worry about the price-tag so much.

I would personally thrill to a 10 volume set that spans YES's entire career, and in this instance, price isn't as much of an issue as content.

uRlIe:yesbird:

BrianD

03-11-2005, 07:33 PM

A Dream Live Box set would be spectacular.

The content - well we already know what could be included from the various boots and weeds - how many of them are releasable in reasonable quality is another matter.

I am sure most of us Yesheads would purchase a good quality Yes rarities live - possibly defined as any songs Yes have played on only one tour; or less than about 20 times give or take; or where the arrangement is significantly different to the original.

And as Earl says, we'd probably pay more than the usual price given our addiction.

03-11-2005, 08:36 PM

I like the idea of an epic collection. I can understand why they vetoed it in 1979 - another version of Tales at that time would not have been commercially popular...

Yesshows didn't sell well, either. That's what happens when you water things down. Perhaps the Epic Collection would have done the same, but more people would buy it now than Yesshows as it is. At least the Epic Collection had a theme. Yesshows was just a live album of various tracks.

Yes was still popular in 1979. They were still well known as a large act on the stage. No one (the crowd. Forget the critics) started complaining a lot about epics until later in the 80's and the Internet.

A Live Epic collection would have me with 3 copies. 1 LP, and probably 2 CD's (one being a Rhino remaster). 9 discs total.

As for the impending live collection, I doubt I will buy it. Too many obscurities and too many repeats.

tardistraveler

03-11-2005, 09:17 PM

I'd buy most anything LIVE they put out!

YepMan

03-12-2005, 01:49 AM

Note to Atlantic/Rhino:

Release the originally-proposed version of Yesshows and I won't have to hurt this stuffed bunny. It's all up to you now.

Scooty

03-12-2005, 02:46 AM

Note to Atlantic/Rhino:

Release the originally-proposed version of Yesshows and I won't have to hurt this stuffed bunny. It's all up to you now.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Orbert

03-12-2005, 11:13 AM

I found YesShows in a music store when it came out, and was quite surprised, as I hadn't heard that they'd released another live album. I flipped it over to check out the track list... only a double this time, well that's okay. Another triple live would've been hard to sell. To the suits, that is, not the fans.

The guy working there saw me and wandered over. I was pretty psyched, but he said "But look at the track list... they're all nothing songs. Well, 'Don't Kill the Whale' is okay."

Moron. "Gates" live? A live "Ritual" so long they had to split it across two sides? (That should've been sacrelige, but I already had ELP's Welcome Back... where they split songs twice, three times if you count "Karn Evil 9" as all one song. So it didn't bother me at all.) And "Parallels" as the opener? These weren't "nothing" songs!

I bought it, and never had a problem with it until I read one day that the cool seque from TaaW into GftO never actually happened. Until that day, it hadn't even occurred to me that a live album wasn't a pretty much genuine document of what went down. Sure, the songs may have come from different actual shows, but splicing and overdubs were unheard-of by my junior high mind. Ignorance sometimes is indeed bliss.

RobAdams

03-12-2005, 11:21 AM

I think it would be interesting if YES put out 2 seperate live releases. One with the classic line ups with Steve Howe, the other with the Cinema-Yes line up with & without Billy Sherwood.

Jackaranda

03-12-2005, 02:26 PM

I'd buy most anything LIVE they put out!

Me too.

That would have been an amazing album. Another bad decision.

The live box set will be great, but it looks like it could be a lot better also.

YepMan

03-13-2005, 04:17 AM

Me too.

That would have been an amazing album. Another bad decision.

The live box set will be great, but it looks like it could be a lot better also.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the way things go with Yes. I'm not sure as to just how much say they have over what goes into the box sets these days. Hopefully we will see expanded versions of Yessongs, Yesshows, and 9012Live.

Johntron

06-02-2005, 10:41 AM

RE:YESSHOWS... Pipe dream central

It would be VERY nice to hear those songs left out on YESSHOWS...but what about the version of THE GATES OF DELIRIUM that already blows the rest of that album away? Small mercies! Yeah! When was the last time YOU sat through the whole of TOPOGRAPHIC in one sitting....live or not?

smatt

06-02-2005, 01:12 PM

Hmm, interesting comment all..... Although I thought the mastering on this release was horrid. It also brought me to Tales! Being the youngster I am, I came to the Yes-camp in 1977. I'd never really given Tales a thought until Yesshows came out. Then I got Yesshows and Ritual jsut kicked my proverbial ass! :rocking: This forced me :lmao: to go out and buy Tales and my life was never the same.........

I believe the story behind Yesshows was that the band owed Atlantic another 2 albums under the current contract of the time. Yesshows had beenplanned but was scrapped. Chris had done much of the production work on it though. Then after Jon and Rick left, and Atalantic wanting something to release. Took what Chris had already done with Yesshows, salvaged what they could and what seemed to be most complete (obviously they were wrong :nono: ) and wham...... Yesshows.