View Full Version : To all the UnRabin fans who just can't stop with the put-downs ...
Dave Barry has a great comeback to all the women who b**ch about the toilet seat being left up: "You don't hear us guys whining when you all leave it down, do you?"
Barry's plea for symmetry in this area is humorous, but the point is well-made. Let's extend it a bit.
In every thread that the Rabin/YesWest fans start, those who do not prefer Rabin, or who feel Howe needs to be thrust into the faces of those fans, invariably intrude with rude or unpleasant remarks.
You don't hear the Rabin fans putting down Howe, or the Howe Fans.
You don't hear YesWest fans denigrating Classic Yes.
You don't hear see Howe threads clogged up with pro-Rabin rhetoric.
Can we please have some symmetry here? Let the Howe fans praise Howe in the Howe threads. Let the Rabin fans praise Rabin in the Rabin threads. Let fans of both YesMen speak their enthusiasm in appropriate places. And let those who feel the need to say unpleasant things confine their remarks to the music they do not care for, and refrain from personalizing the remarks by expressing distaste for fans who do not share their preference.
The behavior is boorish. It is not adult. There are other sites that cater to it. This is not one of them.
The spirit of Yes is a spirit of unity, a spirit that reflects the journey, a spirit of diversity and harmony. Join in, by all means.
Q
R'tanys
11-24-2003, 09:04 PM
Right on, Q!
ycantibu
11-24-2003, 09:11 PM
Great post, Q. You always know the right thing to say.
Good. And we won't see any more "Let's replace Howe with ... " threads, either?
It's one thing to get on each other, but when we start in on Yes members (who may be reading), I can't see them feeling good about that.
Sheerah
11-24-2003, 10:27 PM
Dave Barry has a great comeback to all the women who b**ch about the toilet seat being left up: "You don't hear us guys whining when you all leave it down, do you?"
Barry's plea for symmetry in this area is humorous, but the point is well-made.
Q
Uh, I don't think so, Q. You don't fall in if we leave the toilet seat down.
Sheerah
11-24-2003, 10:30 PM
Good. And we won't see any more "Let's replace Howe with ... " threads, either?
It's one thing to get on each other, but when we start in on Yes members (who may be reading), I can't see them feeling good about that.
I hear ya, Paul! I hate those threads that make suggestions to replace the Yes members.
That being said, I am very happy with the current line up, but I also enjoy TR. I certainly can't bash him.
Bugeyes
11-25-2003, 01:25 AM
Uh, I don't think so, Q. You don't fall in if we leave the toilet seat down.OMG, Sheila, I still remember the last time I fell in! As Dakini would say...
Cheese & Rice
bender
11-25-2003, 03:54 AM
Quote:
"You don't hear the Rabin fans putting down Howe, or the Howe Fans.
You don't hear YesWest fans denigrating Classic Yes."
Um... I've read this a number of times... but the point is ther should be no sides here- we are all Yesfans are we not?
BrianD
11-25-2003, 04:09 AM
I agree that there shouldn't be sides but I am sure that we all have our favourites.
Paul is right that there have been numerous posts and threads putting down current members so its not just an anti-Rabin thing.
I wonder whether having this forum 'Troopers or West and the Rest' is actually helpful in this context. Maybe it would help if we did away with such divides on the board.
bender
11-25-2003, 05:02 AM
We all have our favorites but we can also be (hopefully) objective.
I like Howe better than Rabin and Wakeman better than Kaye and I will admit that.
But I like all the guys who have been in Yes and, as long as the music is good, I will buy it no matter who's in or who's out!
Thoughtbecontact
11-25-2003, 01:45 PM
There is a difference between questioning, stating an opinion and saying that something sucks outright--and that no one could possibly like it. I believe that this is what Q is referring to by starting this thread. The Rabin thread that was started yesterday had this tone and if the thread would have been about Jon, or Chris or Steve or Alan, and yes, or RICK, I would have jumped in there and said the same thing. We all have the right to our opinions and should acknowledge everyone else's right to have their own opinions.
1yesfan
11-25-2003, 02:11 PM
"Uh, I don't think so, Q. You don't fall in if we leave the toilet seat down."
I like it down, keeps me from falling in! This time of year the water gets COLD. He he he
Bugeyes
11-25-2003, 02:29 PM
Hahhhahahahhha,
oh wait, what falls in?
TIM!
Trevor Walker
11-25-2003, 02:48 PM
As I've stated many times I'm a Yes-wholist.
But everytime a thread is started to extol the virtues of Trevor Rabin, the anti-Rabin brigade feel it necessary to intervene and make negative comments. Just because a thread is pro-Rabin, it doesn't mean the posters are anti-Howe !
Surely there is room for supporters of ALL current and ex-band members to post without fear of flames. We all have opinions as to who plays which songs better, but can't we keep things positive ?
By posting anti-Rabin comments on pro-Rabin threads, all that is happening is the alienation of fans who are essentially Yes fans. I've seen pro-Rabin threads started, hi-jacked by anti-Rabin fans then the pro-Rabin posts dry up.
There are plenty of threads comparing various band members, there are plenty of pro-Howe threads. Surely pro-Rabin supporters can have there forum for discussion.
(Great thread Mr Q !)
yarstruly
11-25-2003, 03:02 PM
Absoulutely! I'm another "Yes-Wholist" who appreciates the contributions that all the various YesMen have made. They were the right people at the right time. You really need to look at the context of the times. Sure, I have opinions and preferences as to who plays better than who, but the fact remains that the people in the band at a given time made the best music they could....and every line-up (IMO) made some great music. Why do we have to denegrate the work of some members in order to celebrate the work of others? The all made wonderful contributions. Let's celebrate all their accomplishments!
Trevor Walker
11-25-2003, 03:09 PM
Great post, yarstruly !
Feel the love !!
yarstruly
11-25-2003, 03:21 PM
Thank You! :D
YESYOUANDI
11-26-2003, 03:07 PM
But Q.
The one riff wonder (Rabin) only ever did---well, one good riff, did'nt he?
Ah well, it's only knock an' roll, but I like it.
Cheers fans.
"Uh, I don't think so, Q. You don't fall in if we leave the toilet seat down."
I like it down, keeps me from falling in! This time of year the water gets COLD. He he he
... and deep.
If anyone wants a serious riff count from Rabin, speak up. Those of us who have gone to the trouble to listen to him can speak fairly articulately about the various styles he has mastered and put to work.
illusion
11-26-2003, 06:40 PM
OK, Q, here goes, my honest opinion:
1) There are very few anti-Rabin threads. You are overstating the issue. In fact, the "issue" doesn't actually exist.
2) Face up to it - some of us just don't like Rabin. The "Adult" thing to do is accept that some of us will never like him. No matter how much we listen to his Yes. In my opinion, it gets worse the more I listen to it, since I get more bored of it. And I used to quite like it, but it hasn't stood the test of time for myself.
3) I know that you are one for honesty, as you have said many times before, even going far enough to say that it's the most attractive quality in a person. Therefore you should be delighted when I call Rabin "crap", since I'm being honest. I speak from the heart, not from the arse.
4) Threads like this just provoke people into calling Rabin adverse things.
5) The Rabin fans also insult Howe in an indirect way, eg "Who's replacing Howe this week then, folks?" type of threads. This is just as insulting as calling Rabin "crap".
6) Also, does it in all honesty, actually matter? If someone insults something that I like I certaintly don't really care!
That is of course just my opinion.
You might take all that personally, Q, but please don't. It isn't personal. As a matter of fact I like you. So don;t take it personally. It's just my opinion.
Let's all CHILL, for f**ks sake!
:cheers:
And the toilet seat thing is pretty stupid in my opinion. There is no reason why women should get the seat automatically in their favoured position. More honesty!
stevepenn
11-26-2003, 07:19 PM
All I know is that if you say my mum wore army boots, we're going behind the woodshed!
Bugeyes
11-26-2003, 07:38 PM
...Also, does it in all honesty, actually matter? If someone insults something that I like I certaintly don't really care! ...And the toilet seat thing is pretty stupid in my opinion. There is no reason why women should get the seat automatically in their favoured position. More honesty!
Welcome to civilization, illusion, where most things matter. And just like toothpaste, toilet seats have lids too. Surprise.
And remember, I live in a "you can't bust my bubble zone, but yours is fair game." I'm temporarily sorry, go ahead and change that, I'm asking for it.
Mr. Holland
11-27-2003, 10:07 AM
It seems to me that some people mix up being disrespectfull and being honest. Ofcoure everybody has a right to their opinion and to express it, however an opinion can also be ventilated without being disrespectfull to the person in question. I mean, for those who forget, we are still talking about human beings here, you know with feelings.........there are a few different ways to express views and opinions, even a more negative view or opinion, you can do it in a very harsh way, or in a more subtile way, without the risk of insulting anybody and believe me if you do it that way, the people on this site are intelligent enough to catch your drift. It is basicly a pretty pathetic thing, when you have to kick some persons down, to make yourself, or somebody else feel/seem better.......
ranyart
11-27-2003, 12:57 PM
sickophants
yarstruly
11-27-2003, 01:06 PM
It seems to me that some people mix up being disrespectfull and being honest. Ofcoure everybody has a right to their opinion and to express it, however an opinion can also be ventilated without being disrespectfull to the person in question. I mean, for those who forget, we are still talking about human beings here, you know with feelings.........there are a few different ways to express views and opinions, even a more negative view or opinion, you can do it in a very harsh way, or in a more subtile way, without the risk of insulting anybody and believe me if you do it that way, the people on this site are intelligent enough to catch your drift. It is basicly a pretty pathetic thing, when you have to kick some persons down, to make yourself, or somebody else feel/seem better.......
Prescicely!
illusion
11-27-2003, 02:02 PM
It seems to me that some people mix up being disrespectfull and being honest. Ofcoure everybody has a right to their opinion and to express it, however an opinion can also be ventilated without being disrespectfull to the person in question. I mean, for those who forget, we are still talking about human beings here, you know with feelings.........there are a few different ways to express views and opinions, even a more negative view or opinion, you can do it in a very harsh way, or in a more subtile way, without the risk of insulting anybody and believe me if you do it that way, the people on this site are intelligent enough to catch your drift. It is basicly a pretty pathetic thing, when you have to kick some persons down, to make yourself, or somebody else feel/seem better.......
However, the point remains that if I call Rabin "crap", then I'm not insulting you! I'm insulting Trevor Rabin. You are not Trevor Rabin. Therefore you do not need to be offended...
I think the point here, young friend, is not that you aren't entitled to like or dislike Yes members as you please --- I for one think Sherwood contributed little, for instance --- nor is there any problem with you saying so. The point is, please do not insert your remarks into positive threads where enthusiastic pro-member discussions are underway. Dis and spurn whomever you please, but do it in your own living room, not someone else's.
Trevor Walker
11-28-2003, 03:31 AM
Quite right Q !
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone has the right to vent their spleen - in the appropriate place.
I don't understand why anyone feels they have the need to attack Rabin on pro-Rabin threads.
I wouldn't walk up to Oasis fans an insult Noel or Liam Gallagher as talentless plagiaristic attention seeking morons ! Being tactful and diplomatic is not necessarily dishonest. Expressing an opinion is not necessarily 'telling the truth' - it's only an opinion, and therefore doesn't HAVE to be expressed.
There are plenty of threads where comparisons between band members are made. Those who feel the need to be negative about any band member have plenty of forums to do so. But please leave some pro-Rabin threads for those who would like to have sensible quiet discussions about the man and his music without having the thread ruined.
We are Yesfans - not Sex Pistols fans ! IMO spitting on each other ain't an option !
Mr. Holland
11-28-2003, 05:40 AM
However, the point remains that if I call Rabin "crap", then I'm not insulting you! I'm insulting Trevor Rabin. You are not Trevor Rabin. Therefore you do not need to be offended...
O, well then everything is allright isn't it, as long as we insult the bandmembers or formal bandmembers instead of each other, well that is a totally different thing......NOT!!!
Dear Illusion, the point of my post was, that you can ventilate an opinion about someone, a bandmember or formal bandmember, witch is a more negative opinion and still maintain a kind of dignity an respect while doing that, as said you are talking about human beings......
Sheerah
11-28-2003, 04:48 PM
I have tried explaining tact to illusion. I don't think that is illusion's primary area of interest.
Honesty is a good thing. If the honesty is of the negative variety, it is better received when delivered with tact.
illusion
11-28-2003, 04:52 PM
I think the point here, young friend, is not that you aren't entitled to like or dislike Yes members as you please --- I for one think Sherwood contributed little, for instance --- nor is there any problem with you saying so. The point is, please do not insert your remarks into positive threads where enthusiastic pro-member discussions are underway. Dis and spurn whomever you please, but do it in your own living room, not someone else's.
The point is, middle aged friend:
If a thread asks for "What are your opinions on Trevor Rabin", then I will say "Rabin is crap", because thats what I think. These are not pro-Trevor threads, and members cannot be forced to assume that they are unless clearly stated. Just as "What are your opinions on legalisation of cannabis" cannot be assumed to be all pro-pot. If you do assume that they are then clearly whoever started the thread needs to learn how to communicate better or else give everyone else telepathy lessons.
If a thread asks for "Lets praise Trevor Rabin", then, I'll stay away, as I always have done, since I've not really much motive to read them.
You are inventing a fictional situation that doesn't exist!
O, well then everything is allright isn't it, as long as we insult the bandmembers or formal bandmembers instead of each other, well that is a totally different thing......NOT!!!
And your reasons for this are...I seriouisly don't get your point. Unless someone is over sensitive of course.
_____
EDIT: I've just read every post since March in the Rabin forum, and fail to see any of these expressly "pro-Rabin" theads that have been hijacked by the anti-Rabin fans. Any thread that is a general forum can be assumed to welcome any comments and therefore I can conclude:
No recent expressly pro-Rabin threads have been hijacked by the anti-Rabin fans.
Of course I'd like to see examples to revaluate my opinion, that may perhaps be in a general forum. But a expressly pro-Rabin thread should NOT be in a general forum anyway, and it should be moved, rather than have a thread like this. But thats just in my opinion of course.
And Q, please don't take this as personal criticism! I'm simply having a disagreement. I'm not being insulting or anything. And I'mnot even thinking about being insulting, because if I was I would have said it.
Then again I did go straight to the pub after work so I'm a bit happy:D. Three hours in the pub always makes me feel better!
YESYOUANDI
11-29-2003, 07:43 PM
Illusion,
Though you are right,---please be carefull on this site, some of the members are very sensitive you know.
Oh, and by the way Trevor----I think Noel is brilliant.----Oasis held the flag high for guitar based music thro' the nineties in the British 'main stream'.
He even layed down some great melodic solo's on many tracks. (even hit singles).
Maybe the brothers are just too rock n' roll for some Yes fans---shame.
Cheers fans.
illusion
11-29-2003, 08:13 PM
[QUOTE=YESYOUANDI]Illusion,
Though you are right,---please be carefull on this site, some of the members are very sensitive you know.[QUOTE]
I know all too well (hence threads like this one).
I could produce things that others have said to further substatiate my point, but so far there aren't any responses, so I can assume that everyone agrees with me.
Trevor Walker
11-30-2003, 06:13 AM
Yeah, OK YESYOUANDI !!
I'll bow to your better knowledge of the brothers Gallagher. You're probably right about their status in the rock and pop industry, but I just dislike their music, their in-your-face attitude and their stance as professional Mancunians ! I also don't like pop icons Eminem and Kylie ! But, hey, it's only my opinion !
As a very meek and mild middle-aged bloke, I always try to avoid confrontation - so I don't know why I always end up posting on threads which try to stand up for the pro-Rabin brigade ! I'm not pro-Rabin; I'm pro-Yes and anti-negativity.
When I see a comment on a thread that I disagree with, I don't feel the need to jump in and agrue my point.
That's why I avoid the political threads like the plague !
"pro-Yes and anti-negativity" is a great way to say it, TW ...
Dances w/PURPLE
11-30-2003, 06:36 PM
for the life of me I don't understand why someone would wish to debate WORSTS, WHO SHOULD BE OUT, questions about the band. I feel fortunate to see them still standing, still playing, still sounding in GREAT form and that they have hung together after all these years :clap: is amazing. Just look at other bands.
yessongs72
11-30-2003, 08:55 PM
for the life of me I don't understand why someone would wish to debate WORSTS, WHO SHOULD BE OUT, questions about the band. I feel fortunate to see them still standing, still playing, still sounding in GREAT form and that they have hung together after all these years :clap: is amazing. Just look at other bands.
Dances, this is exactly how I feel now.I know that I have busted on Yeswest in the past but, recently confessed to liking the Union Tour video and how Trevor made Steve better and also bought Talk,and it;s not bad.But still we have threads wondering who will replace Steve,Rick and and busting on everyone.I really think we shouldn't have any thread's about ''ALL" members unless it's positive. Dance's great post!
JudysTrevor
12-24-2003, 10:21 AM
Good thread!!
First, about the toilet seat. Down please, lid too. Looking at toilet water and brushing my teeth, just don't mix!! LOL!!
You have to admit, there is more Trevor bashing then Steve bashing on the website. There are 3 types of Yes fans. Troopers, Generators, and someone who likes it all (is there an official term?). For those fans who love it all, I salute you. That is wonderful. I do like Trooper songs, but just don't get into the original versions. Here is a true story from the other day with me.
I listen to about 30 seconds of radio a day in my car, because I listen to CD's. Can't stand too much radio today. On Monday, I had gotten to work. I have to take my CD out of the radio before turning the car off. So, I can hear whatever song is on. Good People was playing. I sat there for about 30 seconds listening to it. Mind you, I'm already late for work. I'm used to listening to the YesWest version. This version, which yes it was done back in the 70's. That has alot to do with it, in my opinion. Remember, this is my opinion and I'm not putting anyone down. I just think this version drags. The drums, the guitars, the vocals. The YesWest version ROCKS!! And, that is who I am. I'm a Rocker. So, you can see why I feel this way about the original version.
OK, so I finish my day at work. Get in my car. Guess what song is on? No, not Good People. But Owner. You should have seen the smile on my face. So much better. But, isn't that weird that I heard a Yes song before going into work and then coming back out from work? Good timing huh? ;)
This band means the world to us. We shouldn't b**ch and complain about who is in or not in the lineup now. The history of the band is so awesome. The band wouldn't be around today, without any of this history. Just AWESOME!! ;)
Judy
:guitar:
BlueEagle
12-24-2003, 12:02 PM
Generators?? nahhh i dont like that.
how about: Westies? Talkers?? Cinemaniacs??? Rabinites????? TREVOPHILES???? MARK VIIs?????
well I'm done. Cheers
JudysTrevor
12-24-2003, 12:19 PM
LOL!! I like some of those terms!! ;)
Judy
:guitar:
BlueEagle
12-24-2003, 12:23 PM
are you gonna be a TREVOPHILE now? ;)
yessongs72
12-24-2003, 02:06 PM
Dave Barry has a great comeback to all the women who b**ch about the toilet seat being left up: "You don't hear us guys whining when you all leave it down, do you?"
Barry's plea for symmetry in this area is humorous, but the point is well-made. Let's extend it a bit.
In every thread that the Rabin/YesWest fans start, those who do not prefer Rabin, or who feel Howe needs to be thrust into the faces of those fans, invariably intrude with rude or unpleasant remarks.
You don't hear the Rabin fans putting down Howe, or the Howe Fans.
You don't hear YesWest fans denigrating Classic Yes.
You don't hear see Howe threads clogged up with pro-Rabin rhetoric.
Can we please have some symmetry here? Let the Howe fans praise Howe in the Howe threads. Let the Rabin fans praise Rabin in the Rabin threads. Let fans of both YesMen speak their enthusiasm in appropriate places. And let those who feel the need to say unpleasant things confine their remarks to the music they do not care for, and refrain from personalizing the remarks by expressing distaste for fans who do not share their preference.
The behavior is boorish. It is not adult. There are other sites that cater to it. This is not one of them.
The spirit of Yes is a spirit of unity, a spirit that reflects the journey, a spirit of diversity and harmony. Join in, by all means.
Q
Sorry Q, but you are wrong. Just go and look at all the Trevor threads and the Howe doesn't rock. These are these holy than thou West fans you describe not putting down Steve,kinda like Democrats.Then the Howe fans putting down rabin,Republicans,I guess. Go back reread,"ALL" of these threads that mention both guitarist and you will see both being bashed.
BlueEagle
12-24-2003, 09:04 PM
Noooo- I think its Rabin fans are Green Party
and Howe fans are Peace and Freedom....Or is it Bullmoose? And Billy Sherwood fans are Whigs.
PeterCologne
12-25-2003, 05:31 PM
Sorry Q, but you are wrong. Just go and look at all the Trevor threads and the Howe doesn't rock. These are these holy than thou West fans you describe not putting down Steve,kinda like Democrats.Then the Howe fans putting down rabin,Republicans,I guess. Go back reread,"ALL" of these threads that mention both guitarist and you will see both being bashed.
Sorry, yessongs, but Q is right. I wanted to express that issue since some time, and I will. Now just short. First of all, I think, so called Yes-West-followers have one big advantage. They just love the Rabin-Yes too. Don't believe, that are much "generators" here as Judy nicely described it, fans who only accept Trevor. Don't think, that there are much Rabin-fans, who do not also admire or at least repect Steve Howe. I was a yesfan for ten years, when Rabin showed up, and I will always be a Howe-Fan. I just think both, Howe and Rabin are masters. And so do the very most of Yes-West-fans.
But, I often think, that some troopers here lack respect for other opinions. "Utter ----" or "crap" are common expressions here to diss Rabin. Is it just an inability to express real arguments against Rabin? I would not mind those. I don't expect, that everybody shares my love for Rabin. I it is only natural. But words like the above mentioned I have never read from Yes-West-followers about any of the Trooper-Yes. Just one example: You know, that I am critical about the Wakeman after Tales. I sometimes describe special sounds by him as cheap, but I see that as a way, to describe what I hear. And I always try to proove my opinion, sometimes I may not be good enough with that. But anyway, I try to make clear, that it is always just one of a million tastes. But I think, that I never insulted him. Hope so, at least. And all that counts for all the West-Yes-fans here. I never read a really mean word by one of them.
It is fun to argue and to say, I don't like this and that. But there has to be some argueing and the ability to take those other opinions seriously. That is all we need here. And you, yessongs72, gave a good example, how it should be. You are a big fan of the classic lineup, which is fine, and you fight for that. But you just gave Talk a chance.
Greetings
Peter
Mr. Holland
12-26-2003, 07:54 AM
Dave Barry has a great comeback to all the women who b**ch about the toilet seat being left up: "You don't hear us guys whining when you all leave it down, do you?"
True and funny: A mate of mine has two sons, one is 7 years old, the other 4 years old. When their mum got of the toilet and came into the living room saying to her husband:"For the final time, put the toilet seat down after you finished.", their oldest son said:"But mum, were living here with three boys and one girl, so shouldn't you put the toilet seat up, that would be much more fair."
You gotta love little kids and their honesty.......
Kevin Still
12-26-2003, 09:59 AM
I just can't believe that this arguement will not die. Why?
As a Howe devotee I believe that Trevor Rabin was a very important part of the YES story. Peter Banks is a very important part of the YES story as well. I say the time has come to put this issue behind us. It's like watching (or reading) Lord of the Rings and not being able to stand Gandolf. He is a very big part of the story and we can't have the story with out him. Free you mind man!!!!
BrianD
12-26-2003, 05:20 PM
I suspect that one reason this does not die is that there are frequent posts hoping that Rabin might return one day. For some members such posts are like a red rag to the bull. They may be content with Rabin's part in Yes past but not Yes future.
Kevin, the LOTR analogy is one of the best I've ever heard on this subject. The Yes story would surely be incomplete (and long since over) if not for that very important character in the tale!
PeterCologne
12-26-2003, 06:06 PM
I suspect that one reason this does not die is that there are frequent posts hoping that Rabin might return one day. For some members such posts are like a red rag to the bull. They may be content with Rabin's part in Yes past but not Yes future.
Bulls? I never thought about that. Now I plead myself guilty of almost two years of cruelty against the poor trooper-bull. I will give my whole christmas-money to the world wildlife fund - and never ever wish a return of Trevor Rabin again.
Greetings
Peter
Peter, you've made my day!
jcostello
12-30-2003, 07:57 PM
Trevor just sent me an e-mail telling me that he doesn't care what anyone says about him, but he would prefer that the words "Trevor Rabin" and "toilet" not be used together.
Seriously, why don't we have one thread, call it, I don't know, "Yes Complaint Dept.," that allows anyone to bash anything Yes-related that they wish (in the U.S. Constitutional spirit of freedom of speech, or freedom of typing), and then we can be all positivity and sweetness and light throughout the rest of Yesfans, in a manner that might even make Jon Anderson barf?
John C.
Sounds like a plan to me!
BlueEagle
12-31-2003, 01:36 AM
If you had a thread like that, there would be hundreds more posts saying how wonderful he is,
how great his songs are and how he saved YES blahblahblah
Mr. Holland
12-31-2003, 04:37 AM
If you had a thread like that, there would be hundreds more posts saying how wonderful he is,
how great his songs are and how he saved YES blahblahblah
...which should, if nothing else, at least make you wonder, if those people aren't telling the truth..... :D :D
Earl Grey
12-31-2003, 04:43 AM
I have nothing but good to say about Trevor Rabin.
He DID save YES.
And he's a fantastic musician: And he is on the recieving-end of WAY too many put-downs.
I don't get it. I'm a HUGE Howe fan. Yet, this doesn't cause me to pause in lauding Trevor Rabin with the laurels he deserves. One doesn't have to hate one to love the other. I swear!
An amazing guitarist: one of the best in the known world. And a singer/songwriter/producer and auteur of scope and vision.
I only have good things to say for the man. May he prosper, and someday play side by side with Howe again. The best of possible worlds.
Does anyone actually have something bad to say about the Union shows?
All good things to Trevor Rabin. He's a Hero of mine. And I'll always love his work.
Earlie G:yesbird:
Mr. Holland
12-31-2003, 04:51 AM
I don't get it. I'm a HUGE Howe fan. Yet, this doesn't cause me to pause in lauding Trevor Rabin with the laurels he deserves. One doesn't have to hate one to love the other. I swear!
Right on, Earl!!
Simon B
12-31-2003, 04:52 AM
Praise be to Trevor, saviour of Yes...and a praise be to Earlie saviour of the threads to savour!
TM
Earl Grey
12-31-2003, 04:57 AM
Hey, it's the truth.
When I was a child, I thought as a child, and acted accordingly.
Now, I am a man and I think adult thoughts, I try to say adult things.
This is the real world folks: Trevor Rabin was the lead guitarist for YES during a very prosperous time for the band. What he added was more than I ever could have added ("I Am Waiting" is the most sublime piece of music I've ever heard. Tell me what exactly isn't Yessish about it?).
Trevor was and IS an essencial part of the ever unfolding history of YES.
And he's made a fine history for himself as well.
An amazing artist, Trevor Rabin.
:yesbird:
I try to stay way from these types of threads because I'm not a Rabin fan. I will enter the fray when Steve gets attacked, though!
exactly, paostby. Those of us who love either of them, or both (my two sons are named Steve and Trevor, coincidentally) are quick to defend.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. The puny practice of slamming what we don't prefer is inferior to the practice of simply exalting what speaks to us.
Better if we all just love the Yes music we love, uplift the Yesmen who have enriched us, respect each other and enjoy our shared community, and leave the bashing to the gerbils on lesser websites and the fans of lesser music ...
JudysTrevor
12-31-2003, 06:27 AM
RIGHT ON EARL!!! Great posts!! As much as a "worship" Trevor, I do enjoy Steve. You don't have to love one and not the other (does that sound right??!!). I LOVE Steve's work on the first Asia album.
I also love the Union shows that I have. I was listening to the Last Union show and was really listening to the drums yesterday. Trying to figure out how much Alan and Bill were splitting up the parts. Was that an electronic or acoustic drum? ;)
Judy
:guitar:
Simon B
12-31-2003, 06:45 AM
Was that an electronic or acoustic drum? ;)
Judy
:guitar:
Bill played a kind of percussive synth - various drum set ups programmed into a computer - you get a good demo of it on the Yesyears DVD.
Am I sad or what!!!
TM
JaneEyre
12-31-2003, 01:05 PM
This is the real world folks: Trevor Rabin was the lead guitarist for YES during a very prosperous time for the band. What he added was more than I ever could have added ("I Am Waiting" is the most sublime piece of music I've ever heard. Tell me what exactly isn't Yessish about it?).
Trevor was and IS an essencial part of the ever unfolding history of YES.
And he's made a fine history for himself as well.
An amazing artist, Trevor Rabin.
:yesbird:
True words, Earl Grey, and nicely said.
Beautifully said, Earl ...
PeterCologne
12-31-2003, 01:44 PM
exactly, paostby. Those of us who love either of them, or both (my two sons are named Steve and Trevor, coincidentally) are quick to defend.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. The puny practice of slamming what we don't prefer is inferior to the practice of simply exalting what speaks to us.
Better if we all just love the Yes music we love, uplift the Yesmen who have enriched us, respect each other and enjoy our shared community, and leave the bashing to the gerbils on lesser websites and the fans of lesser music ...
Yes, it is so easy - to love both of them, Steve and Trevor. What a gift. Like the circle in the square. So different and yet so close. Like Yin and Yang? Nitro and Glycerin? (Let's not forget Peter Banks).
Right Earl, a passionate post for Trevor.
Greetings
Peter
Agreed, Peter, re Banks ... his contribution is so often overlooked, but it was his impetus toward an orchestral style that set Yes on its 35-year journey ... always passionate and articulate, he was perhaps not as broad as Howe but was definitely a big part of the early Yes spirit ...
Earl Grey
01-02-2004, 05:18 PM
RIGHT ON EARL!!! Great posts!! As much as a "worship" Trevor, I do enjoy Steve. You don't have to love one and not the other (does that sound right??!!). I LOVE Steve's work on the first Asia album.
I also love the Union shows that I have. I was listening to the Last Union show and was really listening to the drums yesterday. Trying to figure out how much Alan and Bill were splitting up the parts. Was that an electronic or acoustic drum? ;)
Judy
:guitar:
Such a nice mix in those shows... White handled all the acoustic drums, keeping the heartbeat of the band. Bruford played all the electronic drums, adding most of the rhythemetistic ornamentation. The 'grace beats', if you will.
Howe holding his own as the finest 'clean' player in the business, while Trevor added much of the 'grit' to songs... Each player doing what he does best, and the effect was unprecedented, and insurpassed to this day.
There have been other amazing Yes Tours, the last tour certainly holding it's own, up in the top echelon.
But the Union shows were something very special. For just one moment, it seemed that all of the obvious chisms in the band had been put aside, with artistry being held first and foremost.
Such a time it was.
The future is sweet as well.
Earlie:yesbird:
CybrKhatru
01-02-2004, 10:19 PM
I too have the utmost respect for Trevor Rabin. Always have. I became a diehard Yesfan during his tenure, and those records will always be special to me.
The great thing is (at least for me) I love many of the songs on Trevor's Yes records, apart from the nostalgia factor. There are great songs on those records--Hearts, Endless Dream, I'm Running, It Can Happen, The More We Live, Where Will You Be, Changes, just to name a few. Also, great playing, arrangements, and production are found there.
I admit that some of Rabin's interpretations of the Howe-era Yes material are not to my preference, but I'm glad that he didn't just do a carbon copy of his predecessor. To me, in many ways that would have been much worse. Isn't that why every musician, every human being, is different?
---Matt
Imperatrix
01-02-2004, 10:57 PM
I admit that some of Rabin's interpretations of the Howe-era Yes material are not to my preference, but I'm glad that he didn't just do a carbon copy of his predecessor. To me, in many ways that would have been much worse. Isn't that why every musician, every human being, is different?
---Matt
You're gosh-darn tootin'. My favorite example: I remember that Trev did a rockin' great Wurm at SPAC in '84, and it lasted longer than any other Wurm I'd ever heard, too. It was completely unStevelike, and I didn't give a rat's keister about that, because it was such a fantastic jam for all.
---Anastasia the Yesbabe!
Thoughtbecontact
01-03-2004, 09:27 AM
I admit that some of Rabin's interpretations of the Howe-era Yes material are not to my preference, but I'm glad that he didn't just do a carbon copy of his predecessor. To me, in many ways that would have been much worse. Isn't that why every musician, every human being, is different?
---Matt
That's the beauty of the live performances, of having so many versions of songs available from so many lineups. It's the same for the keyboards too--there are some songs which I feel fare better with certain lineups. HOTS, no matter what anyone says, is the best with the current lineup, although it was very, very close with Igor in the band. Also, one of the best performance of SK is from the OYE tour, particularly the Universal show. It's bright and has a lot of energy.
Now as for Trevor's interpretation, again I don't care for HOTS when he was in the band, but ISAGP particularly in 84 was excellent and so was Starship Trooper. AYAI left a bit to be desired that year, but Trevor did a wonderful interpretation in 94, taking the original opening guitar chords on piano. It's one of my favorite versions. Another song where I do think he shone was YIND, particularly the Union versions. I love to run on the treadmill with that song in my headphones.
On classic Yes material where ensemble vocals mattered as much as guitar riffs, Rabin's participation often served to create new and wonderful versions ... the Anderson/Squire/Rabin combination was Yes's most powerful vocal unit ever ...
JaneEyre
01-04-2004, 01:20 PM
On classic Yes material where ensemble vocals mattered as much as guitar riffs, Rabin's participation often served to create new and wonderful versions ... the Anderson/Squire/Rabin combination was Yes's most powerful vocal unit ever ...
I agree with that completely. I love hearing the 3 of them together.
Jeremy Bender
01-13-2004, 02:01 AM
My attitude towards this kind of stuff was articulated by Geddy Lee when he said (paraphrase) "I know why people don't like it when we change styles. I was the same way with Yes (he was saying he was a Trooper); but as a musician I know I have to move on". I'm a Yesfan that likes one era: Fragile to Relayer. I like some songs after that (Tempus Fugit for example) but on the whole, Yes "lost" me after Relayer. I just don't get the mentality that says "You have to be open to all eras of a band".
Re: Rabin. Is it possible to believe that somebody is a fantastic musician but you never want to hear a note of their music again? If that's possible, that's how I feel. I haven't listened to the Rabin-era albums since they came out and I have no desire to hear them now. I will agree that the vocal harmonies with TR/JA/CS were much better live than the Howe era. As Beginnings showed, Howe is a pretty poor singer.
I'm sorry, Jeremy, but I must speak up here. I'm sick to heaven of having the premise that is put forth in this and other threads misunderstood, and having the misunderstanding perpetuated.
Nobody here on this site says, "You have to be open to all eras of a band." (Or, if they do, that somebody isn't me or Earl.) Nobody says anyone has to like Rabin or YesWest.
What we do say is, please don't go into threads that celebrate any particular Yes musician and use that as a soapbox to slam that musician. And more importantly, don't slam other fans, or put down what they have to say, just because they like something different.
That's the point that's being made here. (My own opinion, for the record: Most Creative Guitarist: Howe. Most Competent Composer: Rabin. Most Versatile Stylist: Howe. The Yes Guitarist I'd Most Like To Hang Out With: Rabin.)
On this site, as with others, there are an arrogant few who seem to take great delight in slamming Rabin and in putting down the opinions of those that like Rabin whenever those opinions surface, no matter where they appear. This is childish behavior and is unnecessarily insulting to both Yes and the band's fans, and we discourage it.
By all means, all fans should simply enjoy whatever it is that speaks to them, and of course you are correct when you say that no one is compelled to like the band in all its incarnations.
(Those of us who do enjoy Yes music from all eras do not particular enjoy being bashed for it, as has happened on occasion in the past. Thankfully, we don't see much of that anymore.)
Q
ycantibu
01-13-2004, 09:42 AM
Uh yeah, what Q said! hehe Seriously, it's no big deal if you don't like all eras of the band, I am a YesWest fan first & foremost, for example. Some are troopers. I think the problem is that there are a few who make it really personal, that's all. They have rose-coloured glasses when it comes to the history of the band.
Thoughtbecontact
01-13-2004, 09:44 AM
...and I want to add something to what Q is saying here.
You don't have to necessarily like something, but you should be open to it. It's like this in life, as well. Drawing an analogy here, music is like science, when artists experiment, they move forward, even if the end result doesn't measure up to the high point of their creativity. If scientists never experimented, then we'd all still be living in caves.
It's fine to wax nostalgic about an era that you really love. Last week, an older man whom I often see at the health club rollled down the window to his vehicle and said listen to this great stuff. He had swing music blasting from the car stereo. That's his era, it's the stuff he loves--and this guy is so ALIVE! Hats off to him. Yet, he respects my music too.
You may not like a particular era of music, be it Yes or something more general. But imagine what life would be like if all music sounded the same!
You make a compelling point, TBC.
Following this reasoning, we can state that among those individuals who have moved on from the classic Yes era into Yes music of a different tone and color are ... Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman and Alan White ...
tardistraveler
01-13-2004, 01:39 PM
Well, I first came to love Yes in 1972, with the Anderson, Squire, Howe, Wakeman, and White lineup. Each subsequent personnel change has caused me a bit of trepidation. I first mourned when Wakeman left the first time, but then I enjoyed Relayer, and was relieved when the older songs in concert turned out OK without Wakeman.
Then Wakeman returned, and I found myself missing Moraz a bit too - after all, I had seen them 9 times in concert with Moraz!
The Drama lineup was hard to swallow at first. I had experienced the loss of Wakeman before, so I wasn't TOO bummed there. But NO JON - OMG - what would THAT be like. And surprisingly, I liked it. I thought Squire and Howe really shone on Drama.
Then came the 90125 lineup - now Howe was gone. But - Jon was back and Kaye was there - the original keyboardist, so I took a deep breath and gave it a chance. And found myself enjoying it as well. Yeah - the overall style was a bit different, but Anderson's spacey lyrics were still there somewhat, and there was enough of a Yes hallmark for me to breathe easy.
Then, when I saw them in concert, surprisingly, it was Kaye's performance that I winced at a bit when they played the older tunes. He just couldn't seem to get the Wakeman stuff quite right. I thought Rabin did a wonderful job of making Howe's stuff his own - he certainly impressed me with his talent.
And there have been other personnel changes since, which I have weathered, and found the good in. I LOVE The Ladder and Magnification - they are excellent albums. Now we have my original lineup back together, which makes me happy from a sentimental standpoint, but I have also enjoyed the journey, and the talent that has come and gone.
So - no need for bashing - it's all Yes, and it's all good!
It has never been the contention of those on this site who defend Rabin that Howe is not brilliant, that he is not the right guitarist for Yes, that the classic stuff isn't classic, that anyone should be forced to like Rabin, or that everyone should like all versions of Yes.
The points of contention are these:
1) If you're not a Rabin fan, fine, but don't go on about it in threads that are devoted to his fans (pro-Howe fans who do this are akin to those people we've all seen who show up at parties and win friends by inserting themselves into conversations with caustic put-downs of the original subject under discussion); slam Rabin all you want, but do it in your own threads;
2) don't put down other fans for having views that differ from yours;
3) please, please don't spread misinformation about the band or the band's history in any threads, regardless of topic; many who read posts on this site might come away with negative ideas and wrong impressions, and ultimately this site exists to support the band, not to hurt it.
4) Try to put forth an adult level of respect in all that you do and say.
Are these unreasonable requests?
tardistraveler
01-13-2004, 02:10 PM
Not at all, Q. I would hope that EVERYONE on this site can interact with respect, and express their opinions appropriately.
illusion
01-13-2004, 04:09 PM
Well there isn't a problem at all, and many people agree with me though refused to say it in public, but if there was any sort of problem at all then Qs post would be very useful.
Unfortunately, this turns out not to be the case. A pointless Rabin jibe, specifically aimed at Rabin's fans, appeared within the past 24 hrs. Another Moderator took exception to it, as did a number of members.
Sigh.
Robert Shupe
01-13-2004, 04:54 PM
I know that I am probably in a minority when I believe that Yes is a band that could be around after we are not. This idea was vocalized by Wakeman in the Yessyears video. For this concept to happen different incantaions will need to be created and then embraced if you will by the fans. Mr. Rabin was part of a fantastic incantation of this band and this idea did not seem so far fatched when he was in the fold.
It should be noted that Mr. Rabin did exactly what anyone of us would have done in his situation. Hard as it is to belive at one point Yes was simply Chris and Alan. As they work to get a larger band together we are introduced to another new version of Yes and to a Mr. Rabin. Mr. Rabin came in and had an immediate impact. Imagine if Earl Grey was the next Yes guitarist. Would folks be as harsh? I mean by Earl's own admission he is certainly no Howe. But man would I celebrate like no one's business and I would show up at the backstage door. I swear I know him tell Earl it is Mr. Shupe. My point is that any competent guitarist would jump at a chance like Rabin was given. Like Rabin they would give their heart and energy to the task. How about it now Earl Grey for the next Yesman.
In many ways, Yes is bigger than it's individual members and this has led to some great music and much success at various levels.
Another point to ponder is imagine if Trevor had been a Steve Howe copy. Then threads would abound about his unoriginality. Instead, we got a new look in this band and I will say that the view was pretty darn good.
Before yesfans I would skip over I'm Running. Since yesfans, I can not imagine the cannon without it.
Cheers
Robert Shupe
Robert, there are some great ideas at work in your post! You are expressing a general concept that casts light on the possibilities for Yes's future.
I support a mindset that allows for the spirit of Yes to take new forms and allow the ideas behind the music to burst forth for a new generation. Unfortunately, some of the voices here at YesFans have expressed that they don't believe in a "spirit of Yes" ... and I think that's really a sad thing.
Rabin was one of many players in Yes history who added something unique and different, and permitted that "spirit of Yes" to perpetuate change for a new audience in a new format --- call Rabin Yes's "Apostle to the Gentiles."
The exclusivity and arrogance of some of "God's Chosen" discount this possibility. They wish for Yes to be nothing more than a five-year stretch three decades past, and that none but a small segment of the Yes priesthood be considered valid exponents of the music. I think it's fine that they choose and cultivate that preference, but it is my deepest hope that my great-grandchildren may someday be enriched by Yes music, new and fresh yet timeless (and not created in the 1970s), music made possible by the opening-up of Yes, rather than its closing off.
Rabin (along with Squire), more than any other YesMan, made an effort to bring this spirit to a new audience, rather than an increasingly insular one.
Bravo Trevor Rabin!
Full Tilt Boogie
02-01-2004, 08:45 PM
I think part of this antipathy between the two camps can be explained (as became apparent to me today whilst watching the Yesyears DVD) by Rabin's approach to Yes musis (or at least how he'd like it delivered): "I turn up with a completed song (a solo effort) - drums, keyboards, guitar-parts and vocals and present it to the band......." A fete-accomplis.
Now Lord knows that Yes has needed ' a gentle prod' in terms of direction and, in certain cases, getting their collective s h i t together in deciding what direction they want the music to take (cf post-GFTO and the now infamous 'Paris sessions' which lead to Rick and Jon leaving and the inclusion of the Buggles); but to go so completely against the Yes-grain buy effectively making Yes Rabin's backing band was taking the piss somewhat!
That, and allowing Rabin to effectively reduce Anderson to the role of backing singer, where Rabin took lead vocal and dominated the song - completely contrary to everything Yes had stood for and against the general make-up of everything they'd produced up until that point!
And the sad coup-de-grace being that Yes being so 'Rabinised' moved the band so completely away from what the core sound of Yes had been - that being a sound that was unmistakably Anderson, Anderson/Squire-centric. It's not a case of 'hating' Rabin, he's obviously a very talented, dextrous and a virtuoso musician; he's just not, well, Yes-material.
At least he, Rabin, had the smarts and honesty to say, again on the Yesyears DVD, when the band were in rehearsal for the UNION concert, that "it's no use saying, at this point, that 'yeah, we're gonna be doing this (the UNION line-up and shows) in five years' time'; let's see how things go here and then make that decision and see how we feel....."
I think many here are thankful that that tour was the last he had to do with YES; though equally glad he's gone on to do his own thing and make a continued success of it.
OK, now for a NEW Yes double studio album with tons of new matieral on it! Let's hope that Steve's quote about them getting their act together after the current tour to do just that comes to fruition! Something of the same quality of varied and rich music as was found on GFTO, CTTE (though a different type of music) would be the order of the day!
And If Wakeman leaves again before I get to see them on June 19th, then I shall find out where he lives and....... :D
Full Tilt Boogie
02-01-2004, 08:55 PM
....call Rabin Yes's "Apostle to the Gentiles."
Given Rabin's Hebrew-speaking faith, the above is either an unfortunate slip of the tongue, or a dazzlingly conceived piece of irony!
And, given his time in the South African Army (SADF), I think I might be right in thinking that he may be the only Yes member to have worn a uniform in the service of his country AND fired a weapon in furtherance of same!
Jaybird
02-01-2004, 11:26 PM
At least he, Rabin, had the smarts and honesty to say, again on the Yesyears DVD, when the band were in rehearsal for the UNION concert, that "it's no use saying, at this point, that 'yeah, we're gonna be doing this (the UNION line-up and shows) in five years' time'; let's see how things go here and then make that decision and see how we feel....."
I think many here are thankful that that tour was the last he had to do with YES; though equally glad he's gone on to do his own thing and make a continued success of it.:D
Well, actually the Union tour wasn't the last that Trevor Rabin had to do with Yes. Talk came out in 1994 which was a couple of years later.
Personally, I have been able to appreciate Yes at each stage of their metamorphasis and the Rabin era was just one of those stages. Of course I am also thoroughly enjoying the current (re)incarnation of the band. Although I am still anxiously awaiting new material with Rick, it has been great getting to see them playing together live.
Peace,
Thoughtbecontact
02-01-2004, 11:28 PM
Bren,
I would like to gently correct you on something. Union was not the last tour that Trevor Rabin was involved in. The last tour Trevor was involved in was Talk in 1994.
You bring out an interesting point about why the Rabin and Classic Yes camps are so divided. I suppose in a way, being "pushed back" had to grate somewhat on Jon--and up to that point, the way Trevor wrote songs was a complete antithesis to the way Yes had previously composed.
But as far as Trevor not being Yes material--I have to totally disagree on that. Remember too, that Chris brought Trevor in, seeing the talent that he had. Chris has a penchant for finding talented individuals, i.e., Billy Sherwood too, a somewhat lesser version of Trevor, IMHO, but nevertheless, another very talented individual. So to say that Trevor usurped Jon's place, isn't entirely true. Jon was out of the picture and the rest of the band needed to move on. Trevor had the pipes to sing lead. 90125 was really the only work where Jon was put in at the last moment. BG and Talk were co-authored, and in fact, if you look at the credits on Talk, much of that work was solely writen by Jon and Trevor together--I Am Waiting (in fact, this piece, Trevor originally wrote for Jon after Jon fell in love with Jane), State of Play, Where Will You Be and Endless Dream are all Rabin/Anderson compositions.
yessongs72
02-02-2004, 12:07 AM
Good. And we won't see any more "Let's replace Howe with ... " threads, either?
It's one thing to get on each other, but when we start in on Yes members (who may be reading), I can't see them feeling good about that.
I doubt that,there will always be these people ready to replace the entire freaking band.People,take heed.just the other day someone from Yesworld popped in to find someone from Minnesota bi*ching because Yes wasn't coming close to him.His language embarassed me and the gentleman from Yesworld explained that it's promoters that buy the gig(show) based on where they think the $$$ is to be made.Well he continued to bi*ch.I contacted upbeatgrl and her and nightliner got the thread removed.This just proves that Yesfans is looked in own by Yesworld,who to my understanding like lease or sold rights of yesfans to tim.But the point is you never know who may pop in,I do know Alan pops in and so does Jon.
My point is.I know that I am an as&hole at times with the rhinehole crap,but I still love Yes and can't wait for Gboro,NC show and then travel down to Fla for the May 1 show.I just need a date for that show since my wife doesnt really like Yes,lol.And yes you have to be female,enjoy Yes and want to have a few brews at a eat and meet,lol.OMG my wife will divorce me!!!
So when critizing,lets all do it tackfully,remember Khaki,doesn't go with tacky.On that not...Yes the rererererereleased albums suck and DVD-A would have been better,lol.:cheers:
TrevorHowe
02-02-2004, 12:59 AM
Wonderful post you made a great point!
1yesfan
02-02-2004, 08:01 AM
"who to my understanding like lease or sold rights of yesfans to tim"
Not the case at all. Yesworld, Yes, Yes mang. have NOTHING to do with this site. They do not get anything from me and I sure do not from them.
Full Tilt Boogie
02-02-2004, 09:55 AM
Hey Woody and Thought!
You are both indeed, and fact, correct about my glaring faux pas regarding Rabin's latter involvement with the group - I stand corrected. That'll teach me to go off half-cocked and without doing my homework! :D
Paul D
02-02-2004, 06:52 PM
But as far as Trevor not being Yes material--I have to totally disagree on that. Remember too, that Chris brought Trevor in, seeing the talent that he had. Chris has a penchant for finding talented individuals, i.e., Billy Sherwood too, a somewhat lesser version of Trevor, IMHO, but nevertheless, another very talented individual. So to say that Trevor usurped Jon's place, isn't entirely true. Jon was out of the picture and the rest of the band needed to move on. Trevor had the pipes to sing lead. 90125 was really the only work where Jon was put in at the last moment. BG and Talk were co-authored, and in fact, if you look at the credits on Talk, much of that work was solely writen by Jon and Trevor together--I Am Waiting (in fact, this piece, Trevor originally wrote for Jon after Jon fell in love with Jane), State of Play, Where Will You Be and Endless Dream are all Rabin/Anderson compositions.[/QUOTE]
THOUGHT,
Agreed on all points. Jon also mentions on his website (under the Life link, 1993 in the timeline) how close he and Trevor Rabin had become and how much he enjoyed making the Talk album.
As I've mentioned in other posts, I became a Yes fan with the Drama line-up (the only Yes album WITHOUT Jon) in 1980, and have been a fan of ALL Yes line-ups prior to and since Drama. Rabin was a major force within the band during his tenure, and if not for his participation and influence, we'd all be asking "where are they now?" I prefer Steve Howe, but I still love Rabin's work with Yes.
Paul D
02-02-2004, 06:55 PM
Oops! It appears I lost the opening quote mark in my previous post. Apologies to THOUGHT.
illusion
02-02-2004, 07:01 PM
Re: "Rabin era Yes isn't Yes"
Wrong.
Correct is to say "Rabin era Yes is Yes, but rather awful Yes". (It says it's Yes on the cover - how can it not be!)
Better.
(NB: some people (a minority) are making themselves sound rather daft here. I just though I'd warn you all...)
A "spirit of Yes"? Nah. It's music. Nothing more. The Rabins stuffs bad the Howe stuff good (in general). Simple to me!
Full Tilt Boogie
02-02-2004, 09:05 PM
Simple to me!
And long may you enjoy being simple! :D
Scooty
02-02-2004, 09:11 PM
I truly believe that without Trevor Rabin YES would be on VH-1 during the where are they now catagory. He saved them commercially and re-inspired a band that was dead in the water. Im not crazy about his work with them, but I can respect him immensley for what he did for thhe band, I respect him as a musician and an excellent song craftsman. But he wasn't Yesmaterial as far as YESmusic is concerned IMHO. So there it is..LOL..very democratic.
illusion
02-03-2004, 04:27 PM
And long may you enjoy being simple! :D
Oh I will! Don't worry!:D
:cheers:
eyesoflove1
02-12-2004, 10:35 AM
If you had a thread like that, there would be hundreds more posts saying how wonderful he is,
how great his songs are and how he saved YES blahblahblah
well
actually
The fact is that they are both phenominal guitarists.
Just totally different styles.
Live With It
BlueEagle
02-13-2004, 02:06 AM
Yes they are.
And I am- very well thank you
Full Tilt Boogie
02-13-2004, 03:11 PM
I know I've made some less than charitable comments about Mr Rabin on here, but actually, I don't dislike him; he's a fine and rounded musician......for the market to which he caters.... - he's just way too West-coast-AOR for my liking and I find that translates into his time in Yes. Put bluntly, I don't like Yes music where he sings; I much prefer the Jon or Jon/Chris sound: that is THE Yes sound for me. I can't realistically or reasonably expect everyone to share my view and respect them for holding their own opinion.
Let's be honest, there's plenty of 'your preferred version' of Yes to go around, so take it, like it and enjoy people. Be happy they're still with us to bring a quality to our lives we're ALL happy is there.
Hatchet buried - enjoy your own taste in Yes! :D
Timmo
04-26-2004, 03:33 AM
Uh, I don't think so, Q. You don't fall in if we leave the toilet seat down.Can't you just LOOK first Shiels?
:dog:
TIM
Venice, CA
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