Nobody actually prefers YesWest over Yes, i'd hope.... [Archive]

MisterBaron

11-24-2003, 12:53 PM

upbgirl

11-24-2003, 01:20 PM

i hafta tell ya tho-there ARE fans who consider 'west' to be the yes they've come to know and love.
and then, they find their way to other line-ups and eras and say-'dang! i could have missed all this!'

as for me, i am old so you know where i stand [sit-rocking chair-lol]
but i do feel as if that yes wouldnt be near as 'famous' if it hadnt been for that rabin era.. [my opinion, of course]
anything that brings people to listen to ALL eras is good
and i have found that the rabin fans are every bit as adamant about THIER yes line up as we are..
as long as we all enjoy some of it-good enough for ME!

11-24-2003, 01:22 PM

I'm certain that there are some of our members who do prefer the 80s Yes, and why not? that of course is their privilige.

To refer to these people as 'weirdos' seems unkind, at best.

yesindeed

11-24-2003, 01:33 PM

But who knows...You meet all kinds of wierdos on the internet. Maybe there are some Yes fans that like the Rabin era the most. I certainly do not. I find YesWest music to be kinda cheesy actually. I don't even really consider it Yes, because on those 3 records, Trevor Rabin was at the creative helm, and everyone else in the band, White, Squire, Anderson, i'm not even going to mention Tony Kaye, were more or less his -----. I think that the classic and non-rabin lineups had much more group input. You have to remember guys, 90125 was originally an outlet for Trevor Rabin's solo work, but when he got Squire and White to be his rhythm section, and soon John to sing, it became Yes by name, but really it was all Trevor Rabin songs, and he played all the guitars and keyboards, the two primary instruments of the music. Sure there were some good songs out of that lineup. Leave It is fun, It Can Happen is good 80s pop, Love Will Find A Way is catchy, and Endless Dream is a decent epic, but it is not real Yes. Yes's real guitarist is Steve Howe. His guitar defines the band's sound. I find it kind of amusing how no Yes West album cover sports the classic Roger Dean logo, which further reiterates that it is not true Yes. It's Trevor Rabin with 4 Yes guys supporting him.

Oh boy! Tell us what you really think!

I used to think that way.. trooper though and through. And, although I agree with you that early 80's yes was mostly a Rabin outlet, I have come to appreciate that there is value in most music that the yes members lend their talents to. (and that included Frankie Goes To Hollywood) In fact the accapella version of Leave It has recently made it into my "car cd" compilation.

80's yes is more vocal and less howe instrumental and it is therefore not "the same" as 70's yes... but you must agree that by 80 Yes had lost it's focus and needed rabins energizing spirit just as much as he needed quality colleagues to work with.

Yes I am a trooper.. but I lean heavily towards the yeswhole paradigm.

Thoughtbecontact

11-24-2003, 01:34 PM

Bugeyes

11-24-2003, 01:43 PM

From the is Rabin Underappreciated thread...

Comprehendo?

Yea, Peter, for now it may be That, That Was for Rabin-era!

I think Yes, the members, certainly like and appreciate him, though.

I tend to think of it as the Kaye-Rabin era, though. Keyboards are a major item in the sound. This era was quite different from the current lineup's initial era. Enough so that, to me, they are completely different bands.

I've been in bands where, technically, songs were easy enough to play, but were dropped due to lack of the right feel. The current lineup might come off the same way with some out-of-era songs, especially Kaye-Rabin.

The worst thing to come of the Kaye-Rabin era is the completely different fan-base, which I accept since I think it's a completely different band.

Those who pine to hear Gates of Delerium are, largely, not the same people who pine to hear something like Owner.

I would appreciate hearing Rabin if he got Annie Haslam to sing with a band of his own and do the tunes from that era (plus new things, maybe). Many musicians could cover the rest quite well.

You just don't use Howe/Wakeman to play Owner, nor Rabin/Kaye to play Roundabout (just to keep it to the hits). "The right tool for the right job", so to speak.

Right, the 2 eras are just different. I've just found it substantially different.

It's very similar to AC/DC. They have 2 eras, due to the 2 singers, Bon Scott (1975-80) and Brian Johnson (1980 to present). I prefer Brian Johnson. So, I may be a "YesWest"-type in the AC/DC realm!

-----The Yesstory:Unabridged by me (or, Who cares if I'm wrong?)-----

I lost no sleep over Bruford leaving (neither did Bruford, himself!). His impact was minimized because of Alan's capabilities on the CTTE tour and the strong subsequent releases.

Wakeman left, but Relayer was easily as strong a release as anything the band has ever produced to this date. Nice showing of the writing and Moraz.

Wakeman's return yielded 2 more releases, but the writers were headed in different directions, anyway. I would even concede that Drama shouldn't have been a Yes album.

6 years or so after Tormato, "Yes" wasn't together. The 80's landscape wasn't welcoming Prog bands. 90125 was released by a band that had some former Yes members. They had a hit that made it into the disco's.

Union seemed like a good idea, but I never thought that it would yield subsequent releases. It was a nice thing to do, but Christmas only comes once a year.

The 80's band gave it another go, but it was out of steam.

The "Dinosaurs" tried to roam the earth again, but ended up with a few Relayer-type lineups. At least the glaciers had melted.

When everyone of the 70's era got into their 50's, they also seemed to have forgotten the old limitations. So, the old gents got a 2nd wind and started having fun like the old days.

Let's see what happens.

(for an autographed copy, send me $1000 and then hit "Print")

Flo

11-24-2003, 04:34 PM

I like Yes - full stop.

Actually the fact that there has been so many line-ups is good point. It has brought variety to the music. The result is that I never got bored with Yes. Their career has been full of twist and turns. I have thought many times that they were finished and they have always survived. It makes them so attractive and lovable.

ycantibu

11-24-2003, 04:44 PM

I'm one of the weirdo YesWest fanatics. Yes, I actually prefer YesWest over classic Yes [although I do in fact like classic Yes]. And get this...I actually discovered classic Yes at the age of 10 and loved it, but then YesWest came along and I fell in love with Yes even more...feel free to flame me! woo hoo!

PeterCologne

11-24-2003, 07:42 PM

I can happen to you, it can happen to me, it can happen to everyone eventually... You can fool yourself...

Power to the double-wonder in musical-history: Steve and Trevor

Greetings

The bonafide Yes West wierdo

Silent_wings

11-24-2003, 07:56 PM

I love all of the eras Yes has been through!

I wouldn't even be here with out Trevor and 90125.

So you can count me in as just another weirdo.
In fact, probably weirder than most. :D

11-24-2003, 07:59 PM

Kathy's a sweetheart. No trace of weirdness.

Kind of tired of YesWest put-downs, myself ...

Thoughtbecontact

11-24-2003, 08:03 PM

Silent_wings

11-24-2003, 08:21 PM

Kathy's a sweetheart. No trace of weirdness.

Kind of tired of YesWest put-downs, myself ...

Goodness
Well Thank You Q
*blush*

R'tanys

11-24-2003, 09:01 PM

*sigh* Just when we think we're out, they pull us back in.
It's all Yes. It's all great. I think that every album is different. Each has it's own unique direction and identity, largely due to the membership of the band at any given point in their rich history. If life is a cabaret, then Yes are the caterers and mmmmmmmm boy! Thems some tasty vittles.

STARRSHIP TROOPER

11-24-2003, 09:04 PM

Ahem, my best friend on this site is an avid Yes-West fan and he is definitely not a weirdo! I find something postive about every Yes era. Anyone who was ever a band member is an extrememly talented individual. Please keep your mind open. We even have dyed-in-the-wool Troopers who, through discussions, have come to appreciate some aspects of Yes West.
Aw my family is at odds again over Trevor. I Realy am a Trooper so in saying that it means nothing but my name here. I joined Yesfans with no great fondness for the Trevor era songs. Even though I bought the albumbs and saw the concerts I was unateased not by the music or Trevors skill, It was the breaking apart of my favorite band and their atemp to stay on top of the water.
But at Yesfans I read the pro Rabin Vs the Howe fans for months. So I sat and listened carefully to the music over and over again. Ya I missed Steve but it was some very good stuff. Then thinking about the band, The temperary split was a great release for these guys who were working so close for many years. It did them good and it shows in the releases and concerts they've done since.
Steve prefers to play alone but we can only hope that he'll ease up for a while and ask that Trevor join them again on a prodject an or tour. Then will we all be happy? Probably not. We still have Buford, Igore, Kaye to muttle over.
So can we drop the Yes west and work on Yes United World.

Please.

Starrship Trooper :hearts: :yesbird:

podo

11-24-2003, 09:26 PM

Oh fair dinkum, when will this rubbish ever end. Yeswest is not Yes ? Noone really likes it ? Drama is not really a Yes album ? Im sick to death of it !!

Perhaps Tales is not really a Yes album because Bruford is not on it.

Perhaps Relayer is not really a Yes album because Wakeman is not on it, (and Magnification, The Ladder)

Perhaps Going for the one is not a Yes album because Roger Dean didnt do the cover

Struth, I even file my ABWH CD with my Yes albums because in my mind it may as well be called a Yes album.

There is no doubt that some albums are better than others, some lineups are better than otthers, but keep in mind that over the large number of albums that have been issued under the title YES, there has only been a few that have had the "classic " lineup. If thats what you consider the only true Yes albums, then your scope of listening must be very limited.

Grow up people and stop being such snobs

Roger

Bugeyes

11-25-2003, 01:33 AM

...all kinds of wierdos...It takes one to know one. omg, I'm 12 again!

Oh, a...a...Hello there MisterBaron...How'd you do that? make me 12...

bender

11-25-2003, 03:50 AM

In all their 35 years YES have NEVER released a "dud" album - regardless of who was at the helm - of couse everybody has favorites when it comes to albums, musicians, eras etc but just remember "It's all good!"

JudysTrevor

12-24-2003, 10:35 AM

Bravo Q, well said.
How many bonafide Yes West weirdos do we have here. You don't have to prefer Yes West to qualify, you just have to have an appreciation for Trevor's fine work.

Where's Judy? She needs to post too.

I'm here Arlene!! LOL!! This website is so large, that I miss certain sections. Like this one!! Found it today and started reading.

I guess I'm a weirdo. That's COOL!! ;) My love for Yes started at 90125. And, because of that, I found Trevor. What an AMAZING musician. I do like non YesWest stuff, but not nearly as much as I love the YesWest stuff.

I actually did give the current Yes lineup a chance last weekend. Some Trooper (you know who you are!!) send me a 2001 and 2002 show. For the first time, I watched both shows. They were OK. It would be better if I was there. It didn't keep my attention. But, like I've said before. I am a ROCKER!! Give me great guitars ROCKIN' and I'm in heaven.

Judy-Trevor Fan AKA Weirdo!! ;)
:guitar:

Flo

12-24-2003, 10:47 AM

Hi Judy !

I discovered Yes with 90125 too and I'm glad to say I like all Yes line ups now.

umgekehrt

07-13-2004, 10:10 AM

It's Trevor Rabin with 4 Yes guys supporting him.

First up I wanna tell you all where I stand. If the fans of YesWest are weirdos then I'm the uber-weirdo, the king of them all; because my favorite album is Union. Yes ladies and gentlemen you did not misread that: U-N-I-O-N! And this is probably why I'm a Yeswhole (as opposed to an a**hole, which I'm not. At least I hope I'm not one :D ).

By being exposed to Yes with Union I got the taste of both sides. I love each and every single song from that album, the ones written by ABWH as well as the ones by Squire/Rabin.

There is some truth in the above sentence by MisterBaron, although not "the whole truth"; and certainly not "nothing but the truth". 90125 is basically Trev's solo album (if you like to exaggerate) because he wrote all the songs. On BG, only one song (Holy Lamb) is not written by him. But look at Talk. Although the other songs sound country-ish and pop-ish and (dare I say it) Rabin-ish, Endless Dream is an exception. It was written by Rabin too, but it seems that by this time even he was starting to get influenced by Yes's traditional style of writing, i.e. the Anderson/Squire style. And all 3 of them are good albums, in my opinion.

Now I'm gonna say something that would upset the Rabin hardcore fans out there. I don't think that Rabin's solo efforts and his other bands are interesting. They're not bad by any standards, but not the kind of music I listen to. So what makes his songs in 90125, BG and Talk so good? Yes, of course! The "4 guys supporting him" which happen to be 4 of the most talented musicians on earth: Anderson, Squire, Kaye and White.

On the songs that Trevor co-wrote with them, the influence is clear. But even in the songs that he wrote alone ("Love Will Find A Way" and "Saving My Heart"), do not forget that Yes is a band. The arrangement, the musicanship, Jon's voice make all the difference in the world.

So, in answer to your question ("Shock To The System" playing in the background), no I do not prefer Generator over Trooper but neither is the other case true. I don't prefer the "Panther" period either. It's all good. It's all Yes. And I love Yes.

Thoughtbecontact

07-13-2004, 10:24 AM

Umgy.

The text of your post shows why I like you so much. You have a profound respect for what is Yes musicand you understand the essence of it, which many individuals twice your age still haven't grasped.

Now here's the difference between us. Union is my LEAST favorite album. It's the work that actually made me sort of walk away from the band at the time--never fully, you understand--but I have trouble with what's on it. I find much of it boring, not bad, just not to my taste. I've tried going back to listen to it. LIke it more now than in the past, but it does get the least airplay out of all my Yes works.

Another thing that you are correct about--I've only heard some of Trevor's solo material, but you are correct, it isn't as good as his work with Yes. That comes to another thing you've hit upon. Yes is greater than the sum of its parts. It's like that with MOST, but not all of the solo material of the other members too. In essence, I think that if there is one common thread that all the Yesmen have is that they desperately need the interaction of other individuals to bring out the best in their musical exploits. Thus, that's what makes Yes what it is, whether it's Trooper Yes or Yes West.

umgekehrt

07-13-2004, 10:51 AM

Yes is greater than the sum of its parts.

That's like, my whole long post in a nutshell! :D thanks Arlene.

I can understand how Union is your least favorite album. We all approach this album differently, and a lot of our impression depends on what our expectations are.

If you are someone who is used to CTTE, Tales, Relayer, then no doubt Union would sound bland. But Union was my introduction to Yes. As I have probably said in the "How did you get to know Yes" thread, my first impression of Yes is Jon's voice declaring boldly, "I would have waited forever!" That sent a jolt of lightning in my body. Who ARE these people? Why haven't I heard of them until now? This is the biggest crime in the world, hiding this excellent band all this time from my view.

The rest of the album took me to places I had never been before (like the crew of Enterprise, or maybe Voyager). I was a kid who was into Bon Jovi, Metallica, that kind of thing, and listening to Angkor Wat... there's a mystic quality to it. Something indescribable. I could totally lose myself in that song. As if I drown into some great, blue pond. And it's still all around me, just music playing. Yes music. And that little girl reciting the poetry. In beautiful Cambodian (which I don't understand, but it's beautiful nonetheless).

I may also be lucky because my version of Union included a great track omitted from the American pressings. "Give And Take" provides the perfect ending, a rock n' rollin' song! And the lyrics are so positive: "Just give & take, give what you have,
I'll give it all to you". Give and take, man, that's what love is all about. You can't just take take take from your loved ones. You gotta give something in return too. Your attention. Your affection. Your heart.

What a great album :valintine

JanAnthony

07-13-2004, 11:12 AM

Way to go, UMGY. Didn't we all welcome the Union no-matter-what? And don't we embrace the band as they are now. Personally, I admire Chris' never ceasing impulses to chop up the music.

umgekehrt

07-13-2004, 11:52 AM

Thanks Jan. I hope someday I could summon up enough courage to write a track-by-track review of Union.

Jackaranda

07-13-2004, 02:56 PM

I love it all. That includes pre Steve Howe, Drama, and all the YesWest material.

Yesterday I asked a certain person on this site if she perfered Yessongs or 9012Live. She said what I knew she would, because she's a Rabin fan.

I can't understand the Troopers who dislike Rabin so much. If it's a preference of one period over another, fine. But the hostility towards Rabin is really, really old. There isn't one Rabin fan I've seen that is hostile toward Steve Howe, and that's how it should be. I personally think Rabin is great, that 90125 and BG are very important moments in Yes history, and that Talk is one the best albums the band known as Yes has ever made.

And I wish Trev could come back in some capacity one day, working with Steve Howe.

SallyKhatru

07-13-2004, 03:50 PM

Dream on, jack:-) Well, still I think you are right. It would be nice of there was a classic way with Trevor or something like that. I really like him, but it seems this is not gonna happen.
Arlene, love your quote about Yes being greater than the sum of its parts. So true. And Umgy, love to call you that, great idea to help our non-German friends here speak your name, lol. Lovely :dog:

umgekehrt

07-13-2004, 05:31 PM

And Umgy, love to call you that, great idea to help our non-German friends here speak your name, lol. Lovely

Peggy was the one who first called me that. But of course, even before that, I had planted the idea in her mind, you know :gok:

Amdusias

07-13-2004, 08:09 PM

Ah the old conflict. Until I realized Rabin's contribution to Yes, I had no appreciation for the fellow either. However, upon analyzing my own thoughts, I've come to the conclusion that the hostility of troopers toward Rabin is not really directed at one man, it is at the whole era of music he and YesWest embody.

The 60's and 70's were such great periods of musical exploration, creativity, and evolution. To see that all go away when it could have developed further is what the troopers hate. However, this hate is contradictory, and I suggest that all troopers realize that they should love Trevor Rabin.

Rabin SAVED Yes. Without the attention, acclaim, and well, money that those members of Yes received, I highly doubt that they could have gone on to reuniting and producing such fine (trooper-apprecciated) work as Magnification that we see today. Just like Steve Howe saved a Yes on the verge of death, so did Rabin.

I was lucky enough to first get into music through ambient, complex electronica such as Orbital, so I never got much of a taste for popular forms of rock music. I dislike the YesWest stuff just as much as anyone else, but it's necessary, and we shouldn't be bashing one of our favorite bands anyway, right? What's the point. YesWest is still Yes.

Anyway, with works such as Magnification, and new bands such as The Mars Volta, I'm hopeful for the return of a "progressive" attitude in rock. The 80's and 90's had to happen it seems, but it really was Rabin who kept Yes alive during the better part of those eras.

Jackaranda

07-13-2004, 08:30 PM

Another young Yes fan who makes sense. Welcome Amdusias.

JaneEyre

07-13-2004, 09:01 PM

What's the big deal? Can't we all just love YES and get on with life (or looking for my pants)?

umgekehrt

07-13-2004, 09:03 PM

Trevor Rabin is a talented musician, no doubt about it. If he wasn't talented, I don't think the other Yes members would have wanted to play with him in the first place. Like me, for example. I could beg and kneel before Chris Squire until my knees bleed blood but he would never let me play any instrument with him because I'm an untalented schmuck. But Chris has admitted he enjoyed working with Trevor in the past. As has Alan and Jon.

Maybe he is not such a guitar virtuoso as Steve Howe, but so what? Neither is 99.99% of all the guitar players out there. Not everybody could be Steve Howe, as not everybody could be Hendrix or Clapton or Satriani.

cinderella

07-13-2004, 10:00 PM

Point me to the weirdo line please!! I love the 80's Yes with Trevor. I did like classic Yes once upon a time in the 70's, but they got a little stale, and I lost interest. *yawns*

Then all of a sudden BAM!!! 90125 appeared, I heard Owner Of A Lonely Heart, and I said, "Woah, Baby!!! What the heck is that song, and who the heck is that guitar player?!!! It sure isn't Steve Howe!!

I ran out of the house so fast (to buy the album), that I forgot to lock the door!!! And the rest is history!

Once again, I do like Yes, but never will I like them as much as when Trevor was in the band.

cinderella

07-13-2004, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by umgekehrt

Maybe he is not such a guitar virtuoso as Steve Howe, but so what?

Bad, bad, bad, umgy :slap:

;)

LindaB.

07-13-2004, 10:21 PM

I love both Yesses, i'm sure its been said without Yes/west there probably wouldnt be the Yes of today. Trev kept it goin. Till the other guys came back. I've seen the latest line up and they blew me away. I only WISH I had seen the 90125/Big Gen line up in concert but i was too busy have and raising babies in that era.

Amy

07-13-2004, 10:48 PM

Soundchaser148

07-14-2004, 12:31 AM

I was introduced to YES music in the autumn of 1983. I suppose you could say my introduction was both to Yeswest and Trooper YES at that time as shortly after listening to 90125 I heard Awaken on Radio 1 (in the UK). It was amazing to think that it was the same band (even if it was with a different line up). My stance on this 'which YES do I like' issue is that I like both styles. I must say though that I was delighted the day Jon had the bright notion of starting up a new band called ABWH! I say this because while Trevor was in the band there is no way I would have seen a YES concert where CTTE, Gates and Ritual were all performed in the same set as they did when I saw them in 2001 (they wouldn't have played one of those profound epics, let alone all three back in Trev's day). A clear indication of exactly why the YES line up now is superior to the 90125 line up is that Chris is now back to his classic style of playing, something which was sadly missing in the Trevor Rabin days. I would also agree with the sentiment expressed elsewhere in this thread that while Trevor was an excellent guitarist with YES, Steve is a virtuoso (you only had to take in the 'To be Over' section of his solo in the YES gig I attended in London last July to be acquainted with this fact: that was just supreme guitar playing at its finest). I am really happy now that my favourite YES line up is back again. To me, Rick is THE man when it comes to the keyboard sound in YES. I enjoyed immensely the comical interaction between Rick and Chris in between songs (sometimes during songs!) at the London gig last year. So to sum up, I enjoy listening to both Yeswest and Trooper Yes but the latter always wins out in my estimation.

Cheers
Mark

umgekehrt

07-14-2004, 06:58 AM

The 60's and 70's were such great periods of musical exploration, creativity, and evolution. To see that all go away when it could have developed further is what the troopers hate. However, this hate is contradictory, and I suggest that all troopers realize that they should love Trevor Rabin.

I don't know if I agree with you on that. Sometimes, you get somewhere and you can't go further, and I'm pretty sure that was what the members of Yes were feeling then. They had not been writing big long epics since GFTO's "Awaken". And although "Silent Wings of Freedom" and "Machine Messiah" could be considered epics too, they don't sound the same as the ones from the great period which encompasses CTTE, Tales and Relayer. And even the new epics in Keys and Magnification, while probably almost as long as the old epics, still don't sound the same anymore. Yes have evolved. And I'm glad that they have, because a band that doesn't evolve is a dead band.

cinderella

07-14-2004, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by umgekehrt

a band that doesn't evolve is a dead band

And that's what happened before Trevor joined. They were almost dead, and then he came along and he revived them. Gave them a #1 song, and brought in a whole new group of younger fans, who most likely continue to support them today. They're still going strong now, but who's to say what would have happened without the 80's and Trevor.

1yesfan

07-14-2004, 07:56 AM

"I am in the process of listening to all of the 80's and 90's Yes - most of it for the first time - and I think it's quite good. Doesn't hold a candle to the 70's, but it's still good."

There are very few bands from the 70's that are around in the 80's 90's and now that have done much at all that came close to their work of the 70's. Yes is not alone in that boat.
Did anyone ever think that maybe the guys were cool with doing the 80's stuff. 10+ years of doing the 70's stuff then to be able to come out with fresh sounding, short songs had to have been a break from the norm for them at the time. Somethign fun to play that the whole world digged at the time. Maybe they were a bit tried of the 70's sound also!!
I prefer ANY YES, not one over the other. To me anything they did, including DRAMA or ABWH is Yes to me!

mood for today

07-14-2004, 09:01 AM

And that's what happened before Trevor joined. They were almost dead, and then he came along and he revived them. Gave them a #1 song, and brought in a whole new group of younger fans, who most likely continue to support them today. They're still going strong now, but who's to say what would have happened without the 80's and Trevor.

OMG!!!! i am going to............no stop yourself............agree..........no never, don't do it, she'll never let you hear the end of it........................with cinderella!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there!! i did it. i agreed with cinderella about tre....oh we troopers do not speak his name.........the lord of the dark guitar arts.

trevor did keep the band alive and did bring in new fans and maybe it took a little jealous envy to get the real members back into the fold. hey when the back up quarterback comes in and throws TD passes and the team keeps winning the old star quarteback's "injury" suddenly doesn't hurt as much.

point being though. i don't think the troopers can argue that trevor kept the name alive. but the music is NOT the same. you can like it, sure, go ahead. millions of people loved the pop-crap genesis, that didn't make it the band it was born to be and it is long gone. RIP abacab. go score some more cartoons phil. (maybe trevor can help) :slap: there, i hit myself cindy and jane.

the band legally kept the name yes during the west years. so i guess it is technically yes music. so let's drop that argument. it, however is not the yes sound. i'll argue that 'til the day i die.

i said this to TBC after she forced me (ok she didn't force me) to listen to a talk tour weed. the music isn't bad. it's not really good either. it sounds like a yes cover band that just couldn't afford the good guitars.

umgekehrt

07-14-2004, 09:08 AM

millions of people loved the pop-crap genesis, that didn't make it the band it was born to be and it is long gone. RIP abacab. go score some more cartoons phil.

Hey! No bad-mouthing Phil's Genesis either! :1svader:

Stever

07-14-2004, 09:15 AM

Nobody actually prefers YesWest over Yes, i'd hope....

Hmmm. Bit of a divisive thread, no? For what it's worth, I guess I'm what's referred to as a Yeswhole, and I'm definitely a fan of the band in their totality. So really.....In the long scope of things, I don't prefer one line-up over another. I have gone for rather long stretches though of only listenting to the Rabin albums, and other long stretches of listening only to the Howe albums. It's a life cycle thing and it changes all the time. The only albums that don't seem to get regular rotation with me are "Union", "Open Your Eyes", "Yes" and "Time and a Word". There are things I like on all of those, but they're not consistently interesting enough TO ME, to just let them play, which is how I like to listen to albums. I'm not a song surfer. So, based on the above, the lineup that doesn't seem to do it for me is the original lineup with Banks. Also...by the way...I don't like the term "Yeswest", or the implications that go with having an alternate band title reference. It's like saying that was not Yes. Folks....if you'll take out your glasses, and look at the album cover, you will find that those albums were indeed by the band Yes. I can't, however, find the Yes moniker on another favorite prog album of mine, Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe, but that doesn't keep me from loving that album for what it is. I don't need for ABWH to be Yes, any more than I need 90125 to not be Yes. Yes is whatever it is at the time of recording, and I trust that the band name printed on the cover is precisely the band putting out the album.

Anyway............I can't imagine not having any of this great music over the years. Yes rules.

mood for today

07-14-2004, 09:21 AM

Hey! No bad-mouthing Phil's Genesis either! :1svader:

don't even go THERE umgy!!!

cinderella

07-14-2004, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by mood for today

there!! i did it. i agreed with cinderella

That's a good little Trooper. Now don't you feel a lot better? ;)

Seriously though, why does Yes music always have to sound like Yes music? Can't it sound a little different as the band evolves? The members have been playing Musical Chairs for years, and naturally the sound is going to be different, with different musicians. I like it all, I just happen to like it more with Trevor.

(Yeah I know I know, she's blonde and what does she know.)

mood for today

07-14-2004, 10:47 AM

I just happen to like it more with Trevor.
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would you like it more with trevor if he looked like say.......keith richards or rick nielson of cheap trick???

this goes for you too janeee

Jackaranda

07-14-2004, 10:55 AM

would you like it more with trevor if he looked like say.......keith richards or rick nielson of cheap trick???

this goes for you too janeee

Now we'll find out the TRUTH!

cinderella

07-14-2004, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by mood for today

would you like it more with trevor if he looked like say.......keith richards or rick nielson of cheap trick???

Definitely!!! I first Heard Owner Of A Lonely Heart on the radio, so I had no idea that there even was a Trevor, or what he looked like, when I dashed out the door to buy 90125. I went nuts! I knew it was Yes, and I could tell that the guitar player was not Steve Howe.

Trevor being gorgeous was only a very nice cherry on top of an already divine ice cream sundae.

prem895

07-14-2004, 11:13 AM

I love all Yes Music, with the exception of OOALH. I just find it a bit too cheesy.

paulovajao

07-14-2004, 11:23 AM

Whatever the line-ups or west or trooper or Yes in Pantyhoses,Yessmusic is a patrimony of us all a HUGE ONE!!!!So from the the schyzo weirdo (someone on this site called me that or something)YES IS UNIVERSAL IN ALL FORMS!!!PEACE&LOVE AND GRATITUDE TO ALL!!!Weird scenes from a memory

Amy

07-14-2004, 11:25 AM

I can't, however, find the Yes moniker on another favorite prog album of mine, Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe, but that doesn't keep me from loving that album for what it is.
OMG, I find this album so frustrating. It has some great moments, but aside from Brother of Mine, The Meeting and Let's Pretend, it just seems like it can't get off the ground. It lacks.........bass? That's it!! It's Squireless. Has to be the reason. Then again, those 3 songs......great stuff.

Jackaranda

07-14-2004, 11:41 AM

OMG, I find this album so frustrating. It has some great moments, but aside from Brother of Mine, The Meeting and Let's Pretend, it just seems like it can't get off the ground. It lacks.........bass? That's it!! It's Squireless. Has to be the reason. Then again, those 3 songs......great stuff.

Amy you have spoken for me.

I'd love ABWH just as much as anything except it's so weak! Brother of Mine can be put along side with the best of classic Yes, as well as The Meeting. Order of the Universe is OK. But overall, imho, it's a very weak album and was a major disappointment at the time. I was so upset that Jon left to go do this. I'd read all about the problems he and Trevor had making BG, and also heard an interview with Trev where it was obvious he and Jon had a lot of issues with each other.

To me, and maybe this is just me, Jon contradicts himself so much. He always wanted Yes to be a major force in rock music (why sack Peter, Tony, and Patrick if that wasn't the case) yet when Yes went to the highest pinnacle in the 80's, all the sudden he didn't like all the success. Now granted, Yes was having success with 'singles', but the album tracks on 90125, BG, and Talk not only held their own (in most cases), but many were great. Maybe not 70's Yes, but certainly not Asia or Journey. They were strong tracks that had great integrity.

As much as I love Jon, and I really do, I'll never quite understand him.

umgekehrt

07-14-2004, 12:28 PM

Trevor being gorgeous was only a very nice cherry on top of an already divine ice cream sundae.

Ooooh naughty naughty Cindy! So that's your ultimate fantasy eh? It involves Trevor, ice cream sundae, whipped cream and cherry. Hmmm...

Jackaranda

07-14-2004, 12:33 PM

Trevor being gorgeous was only a very nice cherry on top of an already divine ice cream sundae.

Do I detect a Freudian slip here?

Amdusias

07-14-2004, 01:42 PM

I don't know if I agree with you on that. Sometimes, you get somewhere and you can't go further, and I'm pretty sure that was what the members of Yes were feeling then. They had not been writing big long epics since GFTO's "Awaken". And although "Silent Wings of Freedom" and "Machine Messiah" could be considered epics too, they don't sound the same as the ones from the great period which encompasses CTTE, Tales and Relayer. And even the new epics in Keys and Magnification, while probably almost as long as the old epics, still don't sound the same anymore. Yes have evolved. And I'm glad that they have, because a band that doesn't evolve is a dead band.

Well I have yet to check out Tormato and Drama (I have everything else). Evolution is a bit of a volatile term in this case, because it depends on one's definition. I certainly think Yes could have kept making great music with the sound present on Relayer and Going for the One, while changing their style and perhaps bringing in new elements at the same time. I just think they plain could not do this because of the changing times. IMHO, in music, there's always plenty of room to go further :)

Amdusias

07-14-2004, 01:43 PM

Oh and as a random sidenote which I forgot to mention:

I LOVE Saving my Heart on Union (which I own) :P

umgekehrt

07-14-2004, 02:30 PM

IMHO, in music, there's always plenty of room to go further :)

Yeah well I'm not a musician so I wouldn't know, but the "we can't go any further" argument has been used by Bill Bruford for leaving Yes, as well as by the Beatles for splitting.

cinderella

07-14-2004, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by jackgowen

Do I detect a Freudian slip here?

Originally posted by umgekehrt

Ooooh naughty naughty Cindy! So that's your ultimate fantasy eh? It involves Trevor, ice cream sundae, whipped cream and cherry. Hmmm...

Yes & Ooooh yes!!!!!!! :mmm:

Dantalion Rides Again

07-14-2004, 04:28 PM

Am I the only Yesfan who loves BG and Union, yet doesn't like Talk?

I kinda like 90125 (some tracks are so refreshingly inspired - yet they're less artsy and more straightforward, so they're still less appealing to me than some of the Union stuff . . . other tracks strike me as kinda stinky). But to me it's nowhere near as cool as BG.

So . . . I love (most of) Union, and I love BG.

I don't love (most of) 90125 and I don't love Talk.

Anyone else react that way to those four albums? I've been watching people post their opinions about these albums and I'm amazed to find myself basically flyin' solo here . . .

cinderella

07-14-2004, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Dantalion Rides Again

Am I the only Yesfan who loves BG and Union, yet doesn't like Talk?

I love 90125, BG, and Union, but when I bought Talk when it first came out, I hardly listened to it. I didn't like anything but The Calling and Trevor's guitar solo at the end of Real Love. That's it. Then a few months ago I listened to it, and now I like it.

The sad thing was...since I didn't like the songs, I never made it to the end of the album, meaning I never heard Endless Dream. Now that I've been listening to it, Endless Dream is one of my very favorite Yes songs ever.

umgekehrt

07-14-2004, 05:06 PM

Am I the only Yesfan who loves BG and Union, yet doesn't like Talk?

You're not. I have more or less the same opinion about those albums (Please note that when I say I don't like a Yes album, it doesn't mean that I hate it. It's just that I'm comparing it to other Yes albums. I love all Yes albums).

90125 has its moments, especially Owner, but after that the songs are nothing special.

BG, however, has more good songs, including "Love Will Find A Way" and "Almost Like Love". And since my last concert two months ago I'm rediscovering "Rhythm Of Love".

Union, well you know how I feel about this album :valintine

Talk was my second Yes album after Union and I was greatly disappointed by the "country-ish" sound of the songs, especially the guitar. And as somebody has pointed out somewhere, "Endless Dreams" has an intro that delivers great promises but these go unfulfilled and the song is a big anticlimax.

cinderella

07-14-2004, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by umgekehrt

90125 has its moments, especially Owner, but after that the songs are nothing special.

Umgy, you don't like Changes? I'm crushed. :crybby:

Amy

07-14-2004, 06:20 PM

Am I the only Yesfan who loves BG and Union, yet doesn't like Talk?

You picked the 3 that I haven't heard yet! I also haven't heard The Ladder. I just got BG in the mail yesterday, but I haven't listened yet. Talk is on it's way. Union and The Ladder are out of stock at the moment.....but I'll let you know!!

umgekehrt

07-14-2004, 06:25 PM

Umgy, you don't like Changes? I'm crushed. :crybby:

Well I do, I like it. I'd be hard-pressed to name a Yes tune I don't like anyway. But it's nothing special, that's all I'm saying.

Jackaranda

07-14-2004, 06:26 PM

You picked the 3 that I haven't heard yet! I also haven't heard The Ladder. I just got BG in the mail yesterday, but I haven't listened yet. Talk is on it's way. Union and The Ladder are out of stock at the moment.....but I'll let you know!!

Amy have you ever heard Endless Dream?

I know I've said it here too many times to count but here goes again. ED is one of the best Yes tracks EVER! EVER! I'll say it again. EVER!!!

Amy

07-14-2004, 06:28 PM

Amy have you ever heard Endless Dream?

I know I've said it here too many times to count but here goes again. ED is one of the best Yes tracks EVER! EVER! I'll say it again. EVER!!!
Nope. Haven't heard it yet.

Jackaranda

07-14-2004, 06:35 PM

Well that may be a good thing, because you're about to hear Yes music you've never heard before, and a lot of it is great. Pay attention especially to Shoot High Aim Low, Final Eyes and I'm Running/Holy Lamb on BG (2 songs but I always thought of them as a combined piece), and ED, I Am Waiting and Where Will You Be on Talk (even though the whole thing is great, imo, being a devout Trooper and loving Topographic Oceans so much the harder stuff on Talk may be a bit difficult to get into).

Happy listening!

Dantalion Rides Again

07-15-2004, 09:11 AM

umgy~!!

Wow, that's great . . . most often, BG gets slammed and Talk and 90125 are put on pedestals. I feel the opposite.

And I'm right with you on Union as well. I know it could have been more to the band's liking and all, but I'm mostly satisfied with it as is. I can see why people want more Rick on there, and everyone feels like it's pseudo-Yes because of studio musicians etc. But hey, I like the sound of the songs. Especially the ABWH songs. (While we're at it, I love that album too!!!!)

The only change I wish I could make is to seperate the two bands' tracks and let them be seperate albums (even if the four YesWest tracks were just an EP).

~~~

Amy, I'm interested in what you have to say about all this stuff. I'm sure you've heard lots of great things about the Ladder. I'll watch for your posts!

Talk is funny cuz people are so divided about it. Some people adore it, others just don't really like it. Jack, for example (and many others) can't emphasize enough how wonderful "Endless Dream" is. But my feelings about it are just like Umgy's (again!) ~ it's grand in design, but seems hollow and overwrought somehow. That's one Yes song I've tried and tried to get into, but at the end I'm not pleased, you know?

It's kind of a despicable album for anyone who really does have a stylistic preference of Howe over Rabin. It's the most Rabinesque album by far. Maybe that's what it is . . . maybe Rabin and myself have very different tastes! I just don't like most of Talk.

I agree about "I Am Waiting" though. That's the real gem on there, IMHO. I love MOST of that song (wish it hadn't 'happened in the water'!).

~~~

90125 is weird . . . I love "Hold On" and "It Can Happen", and I also love "Cinema" & "Leave It". Sometimes I like "City of Love" too. And I've always enjoyed "Owner". That was the first Yes I ever heard (I was like, ten years old).

But Changes! Bleeechh. I don't care for it. Sorry, cinderella. Please don't ask me to listen again, cuz I really really don't want to. I know it by heart.

cinderella

07-15-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Dantalion Rides Again

But Changes! Bleeechh. I don't care for it. Sorry, cinderella. Please don't ask me to listen again, cuz I really really don't want to. I know it by heart.

I don't blame you. I haven't heard the 90125 version of Changes in a long time. It's the 90124 version that I'm so deeply in love with. That's the one you should listen to. :hearts: :valintine

Dantalion Rides Again

07-15-2004, 02:18 PM

Oof. You did it. That hurt.

:D

cinderella

07-15-2004, 02:38 PM

http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage22/7.gif I'll go stand in the corner now.

umgekehrt

07-15-2004, 02:40 PM

LOL Cindy is that you when you were 5? http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage22/7.gif

cinderella

07-15-2004, 03:27 PM

LOL Cindy is that you when you were 5? http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage22/7.gif

Yeah, how'd ya know? I was cute back then. A little yellow, but cute.:kissme:

umgekehrt

07-15-2004, 08:55 PM

You looked like Lisa Simpson!

Soundchaser148

07-15-2004, 11:56 PM

umgy~!!

90125 is weird . . . I love "Hold On" and "It Can Happen", and I also love "Cinema" & "Leave It". Sometimes I like "City of Love" too. And I've always enjoyed "Owner". That was the first Yes I ever heard (I was like, ten years old).

But Changes! Bleeechh. I don't care for it. Sorry, cinderella. Please don't ask me to listen again, cuz I really really don't want to. I know it by heart.

Hi, Kevin. You're speaking now of the first YES album I ever heard (when it first came out). Seems to me my favourites on that album are not yours. I love Changes, Hearts and Our Song from 90125. I like all the tracks on the record but those are my three faves, especially Hearts. City of Love is ace on the 9012Live album (especially when Trevor and Chris are going at it together!).

Mark

JaneEyre

07-16-2004, 11:39 AM

City of Love is ace on the 9012Live album (especially when Trevor and Chris are going at it together!).

Mark

Agreed!

Dantalion Rides Again

07-16-2004, 11:53 AM

Yeah, I didn't mention Hearts or Our Song. I like Our Song more than I like Hearts. But the songwriting in both doesn't really impress me I guess. I like the musical builds at the end of Our Song (especially the 'good good part!' part) and the closing music, which is complicated, energetic & inspired.

Hearts effects me like Endless Dream does. It sounds like, I dunno . . . fake or something. Not sure why. No offense to those who love those two tunes.

Lyrics are an important thing too - if a lyric really turns me off (for being trite or whatever - 'two hearts are better than one' seems lame to me), then it's harder for me to enjoy the song.

I do though, believe me - I enjoy all the stuff for what it is. But I'm just talking about relative comparison here - Yes to Yes.

And I LOVE the fact that Yes music is absorbed so drastically differently by each Yes fan~! It seems no two people have the same opinions about Yes. I find that other bands' fans have more uniform opinions about their beloved bands.

cinderella

07-16-2004, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Soundchaser148

City of Love is ace on the 9012Live album (especially when Trevor and Chris are going at it together!).

Yes, yes, yes!!!! Oooooh weeeeeee baby!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by umgekehrt

You looked like Lisa Simpson!

I love Lisa!! Thanks, Umgy! I'll take that as a compliment! ;)

tony1967

07-16-2004, 03:41 PM

Love/hate/indifference towards Trevor Rabin?
The poor guy never actually JOINED Yes, did he? (unless I'm mistaken!)
Wasn't membership of Yes pretty much thrust upon him from above?

Is ABWH more Yes than 90125? What makes an album a Yes album?
Lawyers decided that one for us.

To qoute Frank Zappa: If music sounds good to you, it's b1tchin', if it sounds bad, it's s**tty.

SallyKhatru

07-16-2004, 03:45 PM

How do you define joining then?

tony1967

07-16-2004, 03:56 PM

How do you define joining then?

He didn't audition for Yes.
He wasn't asked to join Yes.
He was in a band with Chris and Alan.
This band wasn't called Yes.
Then, a decision was made to call it Yes.
He ended up as a Yesmember without trying.
It just happened.

Please note that I am not offering any judgement.
I just feel that resentment towards Trevor Rabin is a redundant concept.

yessongs72

07-17-2004, 08:13 AM

Yeswest over Classic Yes,hell no!!! That also applies to trauma.

Thoughtbecontact

07-17-2004, 08:55 AM

YesWest or Yes, whatever the combination, have always carried the Yes flame proudly.
Yes is what captured most of us but YesWest helped reach a new audience without alienating the true believers.
Tony1967 is correct,to my knowledge,in all he states about Trevor Rabin becoming a member of Yes.
it was a 'no-brainer' for Trevor to stay with the re-constituted Yes.
He could have taken his songs and left but wisely decided to stay.
It helped put Yes back into the public eye and gave impetus to Trevor's musical future.It was a win-win situation.
So whilst he did not technically join Yes he stayed when the band became Yes.(Was Cinema an actual name or just a studio working title?).
I for one am very grateful for whatever forces brought this line-up together.
It is always interesting to dream about what if?
Yet what we have is a continuum of spellbinding music by a variety of artists with a common purpose and performed by them with expertise.
What would be interesting would be to hear versions of songs,by the current Yes,in concert,of material they did not record.
We are unlikely to hear studio versions of Jon singing 'Drama' era songs but we just may,with luck,hear them live.

I'm liking you more with each post! :valintine My very favorite songs are all Trooper material--after all, that's the music I grew up with, but there is so much of Yes West tht I love, particularly Talk. These years really did pull in a whole new audience. Many of the late 20s to mid-30s members here were weaned on Yes West first. I was discussing this with another Yesfans member the other night and the only song that really sounds dated from that era is "Our Song." Now, I loved it at the time, hummed it, sang along with it, but it's the only piece from that time that screams " '80s music!!!!" That shows you how good the material actually is/was.

As far as Jon singing Drama material, there is an early version of Can It Really Happen? on the remastered/extended Tormato disc.

Timmo

08-05-2004, 09:21 PM

Yeswest over Classic Yes,hell no!!! That also applies to trauma.I lump Trauma in with Yeswest. And it all kinda blows.

See YS72? We do agree on something!

TIM
Venice, CA

cinderella

08-05-2004, 09:35 PM

I lump Trauma in with Yeswest. And it all kinda blows.

TIM
Venice, CA

http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/begood.gifGo stand in the corner, Timmy!!

Timmo

08-05-2004, 09:36 PM

http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/begood.gifGo stand in the corner, Timmy!!Can I take your picture of Trevor with me?

TIM
Venice, CA

cinderella

08-05-2004, 09:38 PM

No!!!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/vent.gif

Amy

08-05-2004, 11:42 PM

I lump Trauma in with Yeswest. And it all kinda blows.

See YS72? We do agree on something!

TIM
Venice, CA

Come on, Tim! Drama's good!
In my opinion, better than Tormato.

Thoughtbecontact

08-06-2004, 10:17 AM

Come on, Tim! Drama's good!
In my opinion, better than Tormato.

From a sheer rock and roll standpoint, Drama is excellent. It's kick@ss, and IMHO has Chris' best, most consistent basswork throughout an entire album.

kmcpro615

08-06-2004, 02:17 PM

My very favorite songs are all Trooper material--after all, that's the music I grew up with, but there is so much of Yes West tht I love, particularly Talk.

Talk is way under appreciated by Trooper fans, but I feel it is the best thing Yes put out in the 90s, and beyond. For me, it probably beats the 80s stuff, too.

KMCc:)

umgekehrt

08-06-2004, 02:19 PM

Beats Magnification too? Naaah, come on Kurt.

brotherofmine

08-06-2004, 02:21 PM

'Drama' IMHO is a great album of music ruined by appalling vocals and dreadful lyrics.

Amy

08-06-2004, 02:21 PM

I still haven't heard Talk yet.
It's sitting on my counter - maybe I'll listen this afternoon.

yesrolfer

08-06-2004, 02:25 PM

I still haven't heard Talk yet.
It's sitting on my counter - maybe I'll listen this afternoon.

Hey, Amy!
You should listen to "Talk"! I'm sure you'll like it! I'm not a big 'Yeswest" fan, but this one is good! :valintine

Should I watch "Monster" this afternoon?

kmcpro615

08-06-2004, 02:30 PM

Beats Magnification too? Naaah, come on Kurt.

It does for me.......Mag is also very good though. For me, Mag is bogged down by the framework that they were working in, and I thought it kind of sucked live, especially without the orchestra. Talk was a great record and kicked ass live. Mag was a decent record....way more depth than Ladder. Keys was half baked and doesnt count. OYE....well, we dont have to talk about that one.

KMCc:)

cinderella

08-06-2004, 02:31 PM

I still haven't heard Talk yet.
It's sitting on my counter - maybe I'll listen this afternoon.

Oh Amy, please listen. Pretty please......

Amy

08-06-2004, 02:34 PM

Oh Amy, please listen. Pretty please......
Going to get it right now.......

Amy

08-06-2004, 02:35 PM

Hey, Amy!
You should listen to "Talk"! I'm sure you'll like it! I'm not a big 'Yeswest" fan, but this one is good! :valintine

Should I watch "Monster" this afternoon?
I don't know.
Do you want to?

umgekehrt

08-06-2004, 02:36 PM

Keys was half baked, I agree. It seemed to me that they had some very good demos and tried to develop complete songs from there, but the result is somehow bland and hollow. As if they had only one thing in mind when they were doing this, "The fans have demanded long epics, we have to write 10-minute songs. So let's just paste this part here and that part there and fill in the gaps with something quick."

I recently heard the XYZ demo that would later become Mind Drive, and I liked it much better than the final studio version. Would be interesting to hear other demos from that era too, the "raw" versions of Foot Prints and Bring Me To The Power especially.

OYE, on the other hand, is a solidly written album. It's a different album because there was not as much Jon and Steve influence in it. Rather Chris and Billy dominated, and the sound was decidedly different because of that. But I love it nonetheless because it sounds a lot like Conspiracy.

Timmo

08-06-2004, 03:05 PM

Hey, Amy!
You should listen to "Talk"! I'm sure you'll like it! I'm not a big 'Yeswest" fan, but this one is good! :valintine

Should I watch "Monster" this afternoon?YES, watch "Monster," Charlize Theron gave one of the best performances I've ever seen by ANYBODY.

TIM
Venice, CA

Timmo

08-06-2004, 03:08 PM

Keys was half baked and doesnt count.I think "Keys" was fully baked, in fact came out of the oven with a perfect crust and a moist, yet dense, interior.

TIM
Venice, CA

Bugeyes

08-06-2004, 03:15 PM

Wasn't Keys the one they did separately? No one was in the studio with each other? They came in separately and scored?

And my new favorite, since January: TALK! I love the drums, that everyone else hates.

JaneEyre

08-06-2004, 03:34 PM

YES, watch "Monster," Charlize Theron gave one of the best performances I've ever seen by ANYBODY.

TIM
Venice, CA
No, don't watch "Monster." Charlize Theron spends 2 hours channeling Michael Keaton in "BeetleJuice."

What, what'd I say?...

Timmo

08-06-2004, 03:48 PM

No, don't watch "Monster." Charlize Theron spends 2 hours channeling Michael Keaton in "BeetleJuice."

What, what'd I say?...No way! She got it SPOT ON.

TIM
Venice, CA

JaneEyre

08-06-2004, 03:51 PM

We'll have to agree to disagree. I still say BeetleJuice.

Maybe we should double check with Jack and Ennis?

Timmo

08-06-2004, 03:52 PM

We'll have to agree to disagree. I still say BeetleJuice.

Maybe we should double check with Jack and Ennis?They're "busy."

TIM
Venice, CA

JaneEyre

08-06-2004, 04:15 PM

They're "busy."

TIM
Venice, CA
wink, wink, nudge, nudge

kmcpro615

08-06-2004, 09:26 PM

I think "Keys" was fully baked, in fact came out of the oven with a perfect crust and a moist, yet dense, interior.

TIM
Venice, CA

Keys has its moments, as do all Yes records....but it is hard for me to sit down and listen to that one straight through. I just cant do it.

KMCc:)

Thoughtbecontact

08-06-2004, 09:35 PM

kmcpro615

08-06-2004, 10:06 PM

Talk is a good album! I'm just listening to Endless Dream - good stuff. I Am Waiting also stands out. Not crazy about The Calling, but overall the album has a great kick A$$, hard rock sound.

I would definitely put Talk above OYE. I don't know if I'd put it over Drama, I'll have to listen to both a bit more. I find it hard to compare this to Magnification - it's a totally different sound.

Of course, non of this comes close to any trooper material.

Endless Dream *does* rank with trooper material, as does Take The Water To The Mountain, as does Miracle Of Life, as does Universal Garden, as does Homeworld and others.

Capturing lightning in a jar for a whole record is damn near impossible for just about any group. On their sh-ttiest record, Yes still manages to do it one or two times. But Yes as a group has probably done it for a whole album at least two times if not three and possibly four times. That is why they are special to me.

KMCc:)

Bugeyes

08-06-2004, 10:11 PM

Amy, on Talk, I'm curious. What ya think of Walls?

RobAdams

08-06-2004, 10:12 PM

I don't go for the divisions of Yeswest and Troopers myself. I enjoy having all the albums and find value in each and every one. My favorite ten :
FRAGILE
CLOSE TO THE EDGE
YESSONGS
TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS
RELAYER
GOING FOR THE ONE
BIG GENERATOR
TALK
UNION
MAGNIFICATION

I was happy to have some form of Yes to see performing between 84-94.

Amy

08-06-2004, 10:34 PM

Amy, on Talk, I'm curious. What ya think of Walls?
I'll have to listen to it again, Peggy.
I was just getting an overall feel for it today.
I was posting while I was listening and it's the first time I've heard it.
As a matter of fact, that is one song I kept trying to concentrate on, because it kept getting my attention - but I was just too distracted today.
I'll let you know, though.

Amy

08-06-2004, 11:09 PM

AMY,

I love ya, your're a true Yes fan! You got it. Develop your own preferences, but you got it. There is something good to find in every Yes work!
Well thanks, Arlene. LOL! I've always considered myself a true Yes fan, but that's very sweet of you.

brotherofmine

08-07-2004, 05:54 AM

Ya know before I came on this site I was not aware of YesWest or YesTrooper...I just loved Yes..and ya know what...I still do!!!!!!

Mr. Holland

08-07-2004, 07:45 AM

Ya know before I came on this site I was not aware of YesWest or YesTrooper...I just loved Yes..and ya know what...I still do!!!!!!

I second that!!!

Thoughtbecontact

08-07-2004, 09:53 AM

I "third" that notion. I wasn't aware of the dichotomy either until I became a member here. To me, all of it has always been Yes material, and like any other group or musical artist, there is some material that I like more than others. The one thing that has always bothered me since being a member here are those individuals who discount someone's right to like Yes West songs in particular. If you don't care for a particular song, album, fine. We can't possibly like everything, but please respect the other individual's right to like it. In the last year or so, we seem to have attracted individuals who are more open to listening to music from the band's mid to latter stages, and this is very good. That's what I mean by true Yesfans!

Emily A. Poppe

08-07-2004, 10:42 AM

I didn't know there was a "SEPARATION", either - I listen to YES before Trevor, during Trevor, and after Trevor, but I was not aware that the eras were named.

I like YES, period - sure, there are a few songs here and there that I'm not as fond of, but I definitely wouldn't not listen to an album just b/c it's "Yeswest", or not - I love 90125 and Talk - those are some AWESOME albums!

IMO, YES music is full of variety (all aspects) - it makes it very interesting!

umgekehrt

08-07-2004, 12:25 PM

I daresay Emily here is a bigger YesFan than most of the people here claim to be!

Stever

08-26-2004, 02:46 PM

Mr. Holland

08-26-2004, 02:57 PM

Not only did Owner/90125 take me totally by surprise on the radio, but based on Asia a couple years earlier, I actually thought it maybe WAS Howe. I remember being baffled when I bought the record. Who the hell is Trevor Rabin? No internet then, remember. I had to wait for an article in something or other to tell the whole story of Rabbit and then the Cinema/Yes morph. Well..I'm just rambling now. The point was, that I believed it was Steve Howe working out some new chops.

I can top this, lol! A mate of mine who knew Yes from Fragile and CTTE (his father had those albums) saw the video of Owner and was totally amazed by the drummer...."wow, that Bill Bruford has sure changed a lot", were his first thoughts, as he, with a red face, admitted to me just last month......

mattquarterstein

08-26-2004, 10:28 PM

Oh my...

The funny thing is Bill hasn't changed that much.

cinderella

08-26-2004, 10:37 PM

I can top this, lol! A mate of mine who knew Yes from Fragile and CTTE (his father had those albums) saw the video of Owner and was totally amazed by the drummer...."wow, that Bill Bruford has sure changed a lot", were his first thoughts, as he, with a red face, admitted to me just last month......

That's nothing. When I first saw the Owner Of A Lonely Heart video, I thought Trevor Rabin was Tony Kaye. Hee hee. I said to myself, "That can't be right! Tony plays keyboards!" But he had dark hair and the last time I had seen Tony Kaye he had dark hair. I was all screwed up!!!

Very stupid ~ I'm ashamed to admit!!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/N99%20Smileys/embarassed.gif

Yes Lover

09-15-2004, 12:41 AM

luckeydoug1

10-22-2005, 12:52 AM

I do personally prefer the Yes West lineup. There are only a couple of the songs that don't do much for me from this era, while most of the songs I find to be true masterpieces. I'm Running, Real Love,The Miracle of Life and Owner of a Lonely Heart are my four favorite Yes songs of all time. I prefer Trevor's guitar playing and I prefer Tony on the keyboard. I find that for the most part, the music from this era is more group/band oriented and less me-me-me soloing. This music for the most part is much more listenable. While I like some of the music from the 70s lineup, there is more that doesn't do much for me than there are ones I really care for.

Unregistered

10-26-2005, 08:36 PM

I actually heard Owner of a Lonely Heart while playing on Grand Theft Auto : Vice City, and got quite interested, thinking they were just 80s nu wave or something. Then, a a few years later, I discovered that they were actually fully-fledged Prog Rock , and was totally amazed. I now prefer the Early Yes to Yes West, they just seem to be very different to me. I think they're one of the best bands ever. :theband:

Jackaranda

10-27-2005, 02:15 AM

I became a Yes fan in 1975. That said, some of my favorite Yes music is by the West line up. I think they were great, and every bit Yes, as much a part of the Yes history as any line up the band ever had.

Steve St Thomas

10-27-2005, 07:45 AM

It's not that I prefer them, it's just that I think they were excellent. Granted, I was truly introduced to Yes through this configuration of the band, but through them I bought the whole back catalogue and Yes turned into one of my favourite all-time bands. I loved practically everything by them. So it's not a preference. It's part sentimental, and part appreciation for who was in the band and what they produced.

I still say that Trevor, Tony, Chris and Alan should work on a project together. Forget Jon, forget the Yes brand name, and get in the studio again. They really produced some magic stuff.

Steve St Thomas

10-28-2005, 04:03 AM

I still say that Trevor, Tony, Chris and Alan should work on a project together. Forget Jon, forget the Yes brand name, and get in the studio again. They really produced some magic stuff.

And if you DO do this, and I wish you would :), call it WRKS! White, Rabin, Kaye, Squire. I got a logo planned and everything!!!! The O of works will be part of the band name, but used in the background, there but not there. This is free of charge of course. ;)

Special requests:
Fill the album with Tony's Hammond, but also convince him to play some Piano, and get someone to mix this so you can hear it!
Make sure Trevor incorporates Orchestra!
Make sure we hear Rabin & Squire harmony vocals. To the max!

luckeydoug1

10-28-2005, 06:08 PM

That would be a dream come true for me. You a right on with your requests for each member. And yes, leave Jon and the YES name at home. WRKS works for me!

BlueEagle

10-28-2005, 07:40 PM

Steve St Thomas

10-31-2005, 05:17 PM

That IS a great idea. Create NEW stuff and let it stand on its own. They would have to keep the pinhead suits away from this project and not try to "YES it up".
But I dont think it would be that easy to pry Trevor out of the studio and away from his soundtracks.
Oh and KAYE?? Good luck with that too.(If they got Moraz instead, it could be WORMS!);)

BlueEagle BlueEagle!!! Your avatar!!! It's the Tall Man. It's Angus Scrimm! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Sorry, PHANTASM is one of my favourite movies of all time. Ever. I was even in email contact with Reggie Bannister for awhile, who was far more interested in asking about England (his ancestry links back to Essex, which is where mine comes from too), than answering my questions about PHANTASM!!!! Nice guy though. I was thrilled he replied to me. He was impressed that I saw PHANTASM at the age of 10, no matter how many or what time it was on at night, or day, on early CABLE. Watching PHANTASM at 10 years old, at 4am, when you have a paper route to do in the dark around 6am is not recommended, but I do not have an irrational fear of dwarves.

BlueEagle

10-31-2005, 05:40 PM

Steve St Thomas

10-31-2005, 06:03 PM

BOYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
LOL Yeah Same here Steve. I have all 4 on tape and watch em as often as possible.
Reggie rules. He's in another (new) movie -not a PHANTASM though. He's also a musician and I think he put a Phant related album. There was a tune by him on the website too.
Man we could a whole thread on the Phantasm universe of weirdness.

My favourites have to be Phantasm 1 & 4. Those two seemed to have the same kind of ''thing'' going through them. I know these are low budget movies, but damn. Don Coscarelli definitely has a ''theme'' throughout his films, not sure if you saw Bubba Ho-Tep, but it was there as well. Have you ever seen Kenny & Company? That's why I emailed Reggie Bannister, to tell him how friggin hard it was to find that movie. I remember seeing Kenny & Company when I was about 8 or 9, and I fell in love with it. Then it just disappeared. So about 2 or 3 years ago I went on a massive hunt for it, eventually finding it. My wife loves the movie, it was her first time ever hearing of it or seeing it. But the subject of Death, Bereavement, Loss, definitely shows up a lot in Coscarelli's films.