Most overrated Yessong? [Archive] - Yesfans.com: Founded 4/01

mayor greezy

09-14-2003, 12:12 AM

ycantibu

09-14-2003, 12:28 AM

Roundabout, although it's not listed.

RobAdams

09-14-2003, 02:21 AM

I have a huge problem with the term overrated to begin with. It's too subjective. How can overrated be measured? If you love a song you rate it highly, if not you don't. Overrated is a term that tries hard to make an opinion seem to be fact, when it really is not.

Silent_wings

09-14-2003, 02:53 AM

I couldn't live without any of those songs.

I love HOTSR

Mayor
An all day Yes show cool.
Naked Bonfire Frenzy now there is a scary thought.

YESYOUANDI

09-14-2003, 04:07 AM

Going for the one--- and ---don't kill the whale.
Both rubbish in my opinion.

No duffs in this poll however, it contains only real classics--it's what YES are all about.

Cheers fans.

1yesfan

09-14-2003, 06:32 AM

mine is not listed here.

Dr Yes

09-15-2003, 09:08 AM

Mine neither

TroopersOwnz

09-15-2003, 04:10 PM

all of those songs r classics but personally i never really liked awaken but Heart Of The Sunrise owns life!!! death to those who diss it :badass:

Dale Cleary

09-15-2003, 04:43 PM

None of the above. I can't vote here.

Bluetailfly

09-15-2003, 05:05 PM

I'm afraid I'm not too popular, but I voted for Awaken. I know that this seems to be most yasfans favorite piece of the show, and I agree that it very moving and beautiful. It comes at the clinmax of the concert and I've witnessed many moved to tears by it. The middle section with Rick playing the pipe organ strains is mesmerizing, and Jon's lyrics say it all. Its a great piece, as is every piece on the list.
So why did pick it. Only becasue i do not think it is better than the others on the list, and I get the feeling that most yesfans rate it as the pinnacle composition by YES. Also, I think the live versions of 2002 sounded better than the original studio recording. I haven't heard the new reissue of GFTO, so perhaps I will deny this post subsequent to hearing it. But I find the original recording a bit on the rushed side of tempos, and the overall sound dynamic a little shrill and brittle. Again, the 2002 N.A. shows' renditions sounded wonderful.

Dale Cleary

09-16-2003, 03:51 PM

The chatanooga choo choo.

gathernear

09-16-2003, 04:04 PM

Iron Man?

BlueEagle

09-16-2003, 04:05 PM

Most overrated YES song? ENDLESS DREAM. Its ok but I dont see why all the fuss.

RIPPeterGriffin

09-17-2003, 07:15 PM

Mine would be Long Distance Runaround, but it's not listed...

Jackaranda

09-17-2003, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by ycantibu
Roundabout, although it's not listed.

Agreed, at least the studio version. There are live versions that are really hot, but I think they've recorded many tracks that are stronger than Roundabout.

But I still like it.

Khatru Dave

09-26-2003, 06:13 PM

Add Roundabout to the poll and I bet it will get more votes than any other.

bdyescall

09-29-2003, 12:27 AM

To Emops. That's quite a short list of songs to choose if they're are overrated.
Possibly a trick question?
Would you care to inform us why you HATE Heart of the Sunrise?
Or tell us what song you think is underrated?

OzzieYes

10-01-2003, 11:04 AM

Sorry.........couldn't vote for any on the list. I love them all.

For me the most overated song is "owner of a loney heart".

Glad it wasn't apart of the Ozzie shows.

OzzieYes

10-01-2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Khatru Dave
Add Roundabout to the poll and I bet it will get more votes than any other.

Not so sure about that. I must admit I thought that before the tour of Oz, but when they rocked that one out at the end it was a great finish to a "rocking" show (all three shows). Couldn't think of a better one to end on.

yarstruly

10-10-2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by mayor greezy
None of the above...AND HERE'S ANOTHER THING...

This line-up has alot of gems that it can pull out that it hasn't hit on yet. We are basically about year and a half into the "5-year-YESplan" and things are moving along quite nicely. If I had my way, YESSHOWS would last a full day, starting with a breakfast buffet and ending in a naked bonfire frenzy!!!!

-The Mayor

'Nuff Said!!!

Think the guys will be ready by the end of year 5???

R'tanys

10-11-2003, 06:15 AM

I also can't vote for any of the choices. Most overrated? "Owner". No question about it, IMO. It's "Owner".

petemargowskins

10-28-2003, 12:24 AM

wow, i'm blown away that so many people thing "heart of the sunrise" is overrated! has there been a more perfectly-crafted rock song ever created?

Steve K

10-28-2003, 04:42 AM

The songs listed here are Yes classics. My nomination for most overrated is 'Turn Of The Century'. Still a nice tune though.

TroopersOwnz

10-28-2003, 07:35 AM

Yesfan70

10-31-2003, 10:22 AM

I don't know about overrated, but I'm tired of And You and I.

As far as live performances go, Roundabout. I have heard that song live too many times.

hiddendragonet

10-31-2003, 10:29 AM

Y'know, I just can't vote in this either. I love every song.

You'll have to pick something off of a less-than-stellar album, I think. Owner of a Lonely Heart- that's overrated. I still like it, though.

Rogo

11-01-2003, 05:50 AM

I admit it's difficult, I agree with most of the other posters that the songs listed are all classics, and they're often not rated highly enough, let alone overrated. I've even grown to like And You And I, which surprises me, because earlier I couldn't stand it...

So did I vote? Yes, I voted for HOTS.

It's a great song, but the silly keyboard riff in the middle (the bit in 5/8, you know...) lets the song down. The effect is rather like the having the Keystone Cops run across the stage during Hamlet's soliloquy.

And what's worse, it sounds like Emerson, Lake and Palmer.

Rogo

11-04-2003, 03:25 AM

I couldn't help but notice the stunned silence after my last post...

oohyes

11-04-2003, 07:55 AM

Don't get me wrong, I love YES. But I just don't care for Gates of Delirium.

doctor_how

11-04-2003, 09:40 PM

donner

11-18-2003, 07:34 AM

Sound Chaser

Actually, Side Two of my vinyl Relayer never got much play from me.

- Don

Tales

11-20-2003, 10:45 PM

If any song from the 70s was overrated, that would be Roundabout, but the most overrated song IMO is Owner of a Lonely Heart.

yessongs72

12-14-2003, 12:58 PM

Every song on drama.

PeterCologne

12-20-2003, 07:36 PM

... I like that epic, but I always thought, that it is a tamed tiger, compared with a lot of other epics like Gates, The Revealing, Ritual, The Ancient, Endless Dream and CTTE. Even on the emotional side, I think it is too easy in a way. Though, it offers some interesting early world-music impressions. Hey, what a great band Yes is, what a luxury to rate a still beautifull song like Awaken as overrated.

Greetings

Peter

SallyKhatru

12-21-2003, 11:00 AM

Overrated? Can´t answer that one. Would be not god for my conscience, you know:-)

yesgirl93

01-07-2004, 10:53 PM

None of the above! I can't vote.
How about owner of a lonely fart! Opps I mean heart. I hate that song my blood is filled with anger when I hear that teeth gritting, nails across the chalkboard song! Plus it's the one song people of my generation refer to when YES is mentioned ,Unless of coarse they have taste.

Heart of the Sunrise and You and I PLEASE these songs RULE and by far do NOT get enough credit or air play.

Full Tilt Boogie

01-07-2004, 11:10 PM

No bid and I'll see you :D

ES-335

01-09-2004, 07:09 AM

I voted for Awaken, but Owner of a Lonely Heart would get my overall vote.

ES

About The Round

01-09-2004, 07:40 AM

Owner of a Lonely Heart

soulsearcher

01-10-2004, 02:36 PM

i'd have to agree w/ yesgirl that the most overrated song would be "OLH", if only for the reason that it is the song which LEAST represents what YES is all about...least portrays the overall style as a whole, YET..i think it is the only #1 they ever had, so most people will recognize that song even if they don't know ONE other YES song, thereby equating it with YES as a whole and that is just

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

by the way, i didn't vote. i just couldn't.

Emops

01-12-2004, 09:10 PM

I didn’t know this topic got moved…

The songs I chose for the poll just seemed to be the ones that never, ever get criticized. I didn’t intend to limit discussion to those songs though…

The reason I dislike(d) Heart Of The Sunrise is because it is just so booooooooooooring. The bass solo near the beginning, followed by the endless repetition of the intro riff…and just when the song starts to get good, they launch back into that riff again. Ugh…

But, I edited the song down to a bit less than 6 minutes, doing away with all that I didn’t like. It’s pretty good now. At least for me.

And don’t get me wrong, I love Yes.

About The Round

01-13-2004, 05:44 AM

"The reason I dislike(d) Heart Of The Sunrise is because it is just so booooooooooooring. The bass solo near the beginning, followed by the endless repetition of the intro riff…and just when the song starts to get good, they launch back into that riff again. Ugh…"

If I listen to mutch on even Yes material– I get bored too
Taking a pause, listening to something ells, take a walk really helps!

soulsearcher

01-15-2004, 07:25 PM

sorry, but i love HOTS! i love that bass riff, and the repetition using different instruments, ..but that's just me

gt76yesman

01-19-2004, 07:34 PM

None of the ones listed, can't believe there wasn't a "None of the Above".
When I read the poll title I knew I was going to vote for OOALH, then I read my choices. Darn, all of those are way above average, nothing overrated, all excellent.
Glendo

Earl Grey

01-21-2004, 04:50 AM

Hey Glendo!

OOALH is an amazing song.

HOTS is beyond Belief!

I would have to go with Don't Kill The Whale.

It had a nice sentiment, and it's a good rave-up.

But it sounds like the long-lost CSN&Y track, and doesn't have all THAT to it.

Just in my opinion, which won't buy ya a cuppa!

:ele:

BrianD

01-21-2004, 05:01 AM

Only the poll is overrated - but such is life.

Earl Grey

01-21-2004, 05:09 AM

Such it is, oh Crocodile Hunter of Yesfans...

;) Just a rib mate! :cheers:

BrianD

01-21-2004, 05:11 AM

Well - at least I don't carry baby children when I feed crocs.

Earl Grey

01-21-2004, 05:14 AM

HARHARHAR!!!!!!

Love it!

Hey, Micheal Jackson: Toss HIM to the crocs!

:ele:

BlankReg

01-21-2004, 09:31 AM

I'm siding with Bluetailfly and voting for Awaken. But this is just based on the studio recording. I've never heard it live, but I never found the song to be the amazing masterpiece that everyone says it is. But who knows? One of these days I might see it performed live, and i might be crawling back here raving about it just like everyone else!

I used to think the same about "Awaken." But then I heard it on the Union tour, and I became a believer. "Awaken" is a song that really goes to another level live. It's hard to describe. Even during the 2002 tour, the crowd rose to their feet during the last few minutes - it's just so powerful and sweeps you along with it. Hard to describe if you have never experienced it live...

My vote for the most over-rated song is "I've Seen All Good People." I don't know what is so big about that song. Especially during the Trevor years - that was when I would take a bathroom break. The song just never did anything for me.

Full Tilt Boogie

01-24-2004, 02:37 PM

None of the above...AND HERE'S ANOTHER THING...

This line-up has alot of gems that it can pull out that it hasn't hit on yet. We are basically about year and a half into the "5-year-YESplan" and things are moving along quite nicely. If I had my way, YESSHOWS would last a full day, starting with a breakfast buffet and ending in a naked bonfire frenzy!!!!

-The Mayor

Amen to that, brother Mayor - can't argue with an elected official now, can we? :D

Gotta agree with some of the above posters: the Rabin era for me, although I have all of the CDs from this period, rates the following way in terms of Yes line-up priority listing and in terms of 'in which order of line-up would I listen to?' - so, and in descending order:

Joint 1st
* Anderson/Howe/Squire/White/Wakeman
* Anderson/Howe/Squire/Bruford/Kaye
* Anderson/Howe/Squire/White/Moraz

Fourth
* Howe/Squire/White/Horn/Downes

Fifth
* Anderson/Squire/White/Kaye/Rabin

Sixth
* Anderson/Howe/Squire/White/Sherwood

The latter got the sixth place based on two factors: the 'House of Blues' set, where Sherwood and the Russian geezer, Igor, might have attempted (when playing any of the 'classic' Yes back-catalogue) to get most of the keyboards parts and notes in the right order, but they made little attempt to deliver/derive the right depth, texture, richness and breadth of sound which can be found in any of the joint 1st keyboardists - indeed, they sound 'tinny' by comparison; they also failed signally to impress me on the 'Open Your Eyes' album. All those named in the joint 1st list managed to produce distinct and classic Yes albums, for my money at least.

Gerard

01-24-2004, 03:41 PM

I'v looked at this thread for the 1st time today, after 3 months of viewing the site. I've resisted it because I guessed there would be much which would baffle me.

2 points.

1. HOTS - No other band could have played it in '72 and no other band could play it today. The heaviest track in rock history and the mellowest track in rock history. For Gods sake, listen to it!

2. Awaken - I bought the LP in '77, helping it straight to No1 in the UK. This was the track I didn't get. I stopped playing it around '78. Last year I knew the band were going to play it and started listening again. I am not exactly sure when it clicked, but it did. I now cannot listen to it without shedding a tear. I think it must be a combination of the beauty of the music and those 25 lost years.

Gerard

01-24-2004, 03:47 PM

Sorry, as a PS to the above, I didn't vote.

yesmusic

01-27-2004, 03:19 AM

Overrated song
None of the Above

the most overrated/played song
is Sweet Home Alabama...
OOP's sorry wrong group/song...hehe

no vote here

jimtim45

01-27-2004, 12:14 PM

I luv them all........they are all YES classics.

Ryan

03-28-2004, 07:02 PM

my least favorite of the bunch is YIND, but I love every one of the tunes listed above, and do not feel that any of them are overrated.

altaeria

04-10-2004, 02:06 AM

All of the songs on the list are absolutely essential YES ... so I can't vote for any of them.

("Owner of a Lonely Heart" is just a strange situation altogether.)

I would have to go with "Turn of the Century".
Everybody else seems to really like it ... but it's way too LITE for me (and almost new-agey).
:shrug:

terrillk

04-10-2004, 03:06 AM

I would have to say owner of a lonley heart.

CyberRose

04-10-2004, 10:49 AM

Okay- I'm going to play devil's advocate, in response to the "write-in" votes for "Owner of a Lonely Heart".

Personally, I don't think the song is overrated-- over-played maybe, but not overrated. It received (and continues to recieve) so much airplay, it is the song that most non- and pseudo-YES fans associate with the group. The song is quite a departure from the others listed in the poll, but that doesn't make it overrated or bad-- just different. Besides, if you consider the musical climate at the time, they pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one! Heck- I still remember where I was and what I was doing the first time I heard it!! I had only been a YES fan for a couple of years at that point and it was really good to hear something new from them.

Now, before you totally write me off, please consider that I was only 18 when 90125 was released. Thinking back, that might explain my affinity for "Owner" in particular and 90125 in general. That tour was my first opportunity to see YES in concert and I was totally overjoyed!! Up to that point, I never thought I would get the chance to see them live. I'm happy to say that I've seen them a number of times since then and loved every minute of every performance!

Okay-- I'm done now!

Marco78

04-11-2004, 05:51 PM

Most overrated yessong: "Leave It" !

altaeria

04-13-2004, 11:43 AM

Most overrated yessong: "Leave It" !

That would imply that someone actually gave "LEAVE IT" a rating.
Don't get me wrong... It's a fun song... but who's rating it? :razz:

YesfanAndy

04-13-2004, 07:28 PM

None of these are. Shame on you, poster.. whoever you are! Yes Classic, these are.

AngilasGuy

04-26-2004, 01:30 PM

I love all of those songs, Starship Trooper was the first song i've ever heard by Yes so its a little more special than others. And I don't know why people have a beef with Don't Kill The Whale, cause I love that one.

Personally, I think Owner Of A Lonely Heart is overrated, I mean I like it, but its not as great as other ones they've done (in my opinion)

Timmo

04-30-2004, 03:27 AM

I love all of those songs, but if I HAD to pick, it would be:

"Heart of the Sunrise."

I just doesn't quite have the staying power of the others.

It's always the first "classic yes" song I vote off my ideal setlist.

I LOVE IT THOUGH. It's kind of like "Sophie's Choice."

TIM
Venice, CA

Gabriel

05-15-2004, 11:42 AM

While I dont think any of these songs are terribly overrated, I think that Gates is SLIGHTLY long winded in some parts, most noticably the battle scene in the middle since its a mixture of sounds that I dont quite know what to make of. That said, I still love it! It just needs to grow on me abit thats all, like the whole Relayer album.

tranceofdances

05-21-2004, 02:49 AM

well i am gonna agree with bluetailfly, and prolly lose face with other yesfans. 1st i would like to say i love awaken...it is a beautiful piece, and right there in the top 10 of all time favorite epics from yes. my grumble is that it came in that time when yes were changing their sound, and it was really the last song to carry that aura that they possess. it's a sad moment for me. although i will say that it doesn't compete well with stuff like ctte, trsog, and gates. those songs are in a different ballpark all together. i also know that jon says that awaken is the most pure yes piece that they ever wrote, in some ways i agree, but to be totally honest i think i am on drugs right now, cause none of these songs are over rated.....everything they did with trevor is extremely over rated, and the only reason it is popular, is cause it feeds the pop machine, which to me is kinda strange, cause i recall reading where jon said that they never wanted to do that. hmmm....interesting. i guess the record companies finally got to them in the 80's. i don't think there is a yesfan on this sit that would say that they wouldn't want another album today like ctte or relayer.
jason
"stand and fight we do consider, reminded of an inner pact between us"

mood for today

06-01-2004, 12:36 PM

starship trooper. since you have to pick one. this is the song people always seem to need to hear. it has fast become the new roundabout/ISAGP song that i definitely do not need to hear at another show.

OLias56

06-01-2004, 01:34 PM

Owner of a Lonely Heart. I Think its a shame that people who dont follow YES
only relate that song to what was played to death on the radio and they dont bother to listen to any other YES music

ProgmistressXanxa

06-01-2004, 05:28 PM

For me, I love all the above mentioned Yessongs, but Starship Trooper is probably my least favourite (even though it's still amazing).

My least favourite era of the band has to be that era of aberration when dear, sweet, lovely, angel-voiced Jon departed and the bug-eyed monster Trevor Horn took to the mike for a time. Sorry to all those who love the Horned Beast, but I cannot stand hearing him drone ... Pure torture ... for me at least!

Having said that, my boyfriend also loves the Horn Era ... we have to agree to differ on this point. We both love Jon's eras though.

Ever

Progmistress Xanxaweed

Starship Trooper

06-01-2004, 05:57 PM

I voted for GOD.

But I love that piece. This poll simply asks what the "most overrated song is" of the list, not whether any of these tunes should even be classified as overrated in the first place!

If we're talking about Trooper tunes among Yes die-hards only, then I think Soundchaser is overrated. Don't get me wrong, it's interesting, but for fans to be screaming so much for it to be played live is a bit much. It's downright silly at times with all the "cha-cha-chaaing", Patrick's crazy keyboard bends, and Steve's trebly Telecaster sound that grates like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Another one IMHO has to be OTSWOF. All I have to hear is Chris' opening bass line a few times and then I can cut the rest of the tune off.

Timmo

06-01-2004, 06:47 PM

Starship Trooper

06-04-2004, 04:08 PM

Those are three of my favorite tunes of all time! BAH HUMBUG! ;-)

TIM
Venice, CA

Sorry Tim!

I still would vote to hear those live, though, since I never have and always welcome changes to the live setlist. Maybe one day I could really like those songs.

Tom

Gabriel

06-05-2004, 12:28 PM

I've got into Gates alot more now, which was my choice as an overrated Yessong although now i'm not too sure. I guess, to be honest, it all depends on my mood. Sometimes I find And You And I rather tiresome, other days I think its aweosome. Some days Gates may take the overrated title. Annoying when your mood changes!

LilShroomWoman

06-12-2004, 06:57 PM

MasterOfImages

06-16-2004, 10:22 AM

I also have to say I can't pick a single overrated song from this list. I would like to mention All Good People though as a candidate. I am so sick of hearing that at every Yes gig and the end jam getting extended well past its sell-by date. Sorry but this track is well overrated, if not by fans then definitely by the band.
While I'm treading on some toes can I also mention Roundabout? Just overplayed methinks, give me the intro and the crazy unison playing in the middle and I'll be happy but trim the other 6 mins down.

...ducking for cover...

yessongs72

06-16-2004, 10:26 AM

All songs on Trauma-Open Your Eyes.

Timmo

06-18-2004, 06:55 PM

I can't believe this poll is lead by "The Gates of Delirium" and "Awaken."

How can either of these be 'overrated?'

TIM
Venice, CA

custom55

06-18-2004, 07:43 PM

Why did you select these songs ? Weird.

umgekehrt

07-02-2004, 08:03 PM

What I like the most about HOTS is the drummy intro!

About overrated: well it's probably not overrated as such, but I can't share in the enthusiasm some of the fans of "Awaken" is showing here. The song is good, but it's kinda slow don't you think? It's prog but it's not rock.

Timmo

07-03-2004, 05:50 PM

brotherofmine

07-03-2004, 05:54 PM

None of those listed is overrated. I would give that vote to GFTO.

Amdusias

07-05-2004, 02:15 PM

Of these I am very much with Emops here on Heart of the Sunrise.

The intro I _DO_ like. The bass grows on you, Bruford's dynamic drumming is great as always, and along with Wakeman's keys, the song has a very big and growing sense of tension, that's released in the main fast riff. This process repeats in a grand way and it's great, especially culminating with Rick's explosion on the organ.

Then they seem to run out of ideas. The slow sections are good, but it goes on and on without the usual dynamic melody/time shifts characteristic of Yes. We all know this was a rushed album anyway, so you can't blame them, especially after cranking out the rest of the great material on Fragile. However, it would have been nice if they took some more time to develop this song with new melodies/sections before the album was released. They instead took two or three great sections and stretched them into 9 minutes, reminiscent of the song-stretching on Tales I think.

YesfanAndy

07-05-2004, 02:44 PM

No Vote

Stever

07-06-2004, 07:03 AM

Maybe I've Seen All Good People? or Owner of a Lonely Heart? Neither of these is listed, but they're both overrated to some extent imho. They could skip these in concert for the remainder of their careers and that would be just fine.

Suzy

07-06-2004, 07:52 AM

Owner of a Lonely Heart

the'YES'kid

07-06-2004, 10:09 AM

I voted for... (I'm sure some people will want to kills me for saying this and some of my Yes friends will stop talking to me) ... hell, I'll just say it:
Gates of Delirium

I love long songs like "Revealing Science...", "CTTE", "Ritual", etc, etc.
But I just don't get it with "Gates..." there a few parts I like and off course I love "Soon", but it's not even in my top 30 Yes tunes.

Koko

07-06-2004, 11:51 AM

Just to play devil's advocate, what Yessong do you think has received the most undue praise (excluding anything from the controversial Tales From Topographic Oceans)?

I, for one, can't stand Heart Of The Sunrise.

It would have to be endless (and oh boy is it 'endless') dream...actually anything from talk....though where will you be ...might scrape by

none of the tracks placed in the poll sink to the depths of endlessly drawl...so I get the impression that emops is trying to do something with a big wooden spoon here.....

ps: I would imagine that "Heart Of The Sunrise" hates emops

:dog:

Koko

prem895

07-06-2004, 12:23 PM

none on the poll. OOALH gets my vote

pianozach

07-06-2004, 04:08 PM

I'm siding with Bluetailfly and voting for Awaken.

since these are the only choices, I'd have to say that Awaken is the most overated OF THE BUNCH. And, like some others have mentioned, the live versions are much better than the studio version (which put me to sleep the first time I heard it - is that a good thing or a bad thing?).

Most overated song would have to be Siberian Khatru. Clever though it is time signature-wise, repetitive it remains real world-wise.

And Gates of Delerium OVERATED? Never!

pianozach

07-06-2004, 05:42 PM

Yessireee!

One wierd poll.

Hold On, I've had a Perpetual Change of Hearts, and Awakened to the Order of the Universe. And You and I just couldn't Leave It alone and Make It Easy. Then, the Sweetness of Every Little Thing listed definitely had me Looking Around and Onward for my Survival. I See You Just Don't Go, and since We Agree, Soon, in this Silent Talking From The Balcony (on this site) Yours Is No Disgrace. I Am Waiting for Release, Release and for it all To Be Over. Let's Pretend I never wrote this paragraph. Can I Hold On to the Changes? The Themes should be Gone But Not Forgotten. :confused: (no I didn't write Quartet!)

That said, I think that of all of the Highly Rated Yessongs that does not deserve it's high rating may very well be OWNER OF A LONELY HEART. I love this song, but, all in all, it's simple and not up to the standards set by most Yesmusic. It's not a bad song, in retrospect, it just seems out of place next to the canon of great genius of some of their other work.

And, if I may, the most UNDERrated Yessong (not given the attention and praise it deserves) would have to be PERPETUAL CHANGE.

Timmo

07-06-2004, 07:18 PM

07-06-2004, 11:13 PM

I refrained from voting in the poll because I don't believe any of the songs listed are overrated by any stretch of the imagination. I would vote for LIFT ME UP. In '90 or '91 or whenever it was, I had people telling me how great this Yes song they were hearing on the radio was. While it is a good song, especially in the context of what was getting airplay at the time, or for that matter at any time since, it is pretty far removed from the best Yes work. I admit to a huge Howe bias, but as far as Trevor material goes, I would pick just about anything from the great, underrated BIG GENERATOR over LMU.

Amy

07-06-2004, 11:20 PM

I can't believe Awaken is taking the lead on this poll!
These choices are too silly.
I will not vote.
They are all great songs.
I love them all!
:1svader:

Gabriel

07-08-2004, 07:16 AM

I'm also surprised to see Awaken taking the lead...its probably the most spiritual moving song Yes have done!

I definatly dont think Gates is slightly overrated like I said before, it just took me a few listens to warm to it. I think out of those, Starship Trooper would now take my vote, although its still a great song. Probably because i've heard it so many times since they play it so much.

Bo Locks

07-08-2004, 07:25 AM

I can't believe Awaken is taking the lead on this poll!
Appalling! On balance, Awaken could be their most PERFECT song! This poll is counter-Yes! Kill it!

YESYOUANDI

07-31-2004, 03:24 PM

brotherofmine

07-31-2004, 04:54 PM

Going for the one----total shyt.

Steve---what the hell is that slide about then?

Jon---that vox, ohh hell man.

This song spoils a good album.

Started the Brum gig with it too--- still, I had a chance to get some more beer during the first song.

Cheers fans.
I would agree about GFTO it is the only mar on that album. I was also at NEC Brum and can say although I don't like the song it is a good opener and also it's out of the way early on.

slazman

07-31-2004, 04:58 PM

From the list, Gates of Delirium.

Agree with the Brother - unsure about GFTO, but I too was pleasantly surprised at the NEC ... hopefully as a one-off ... segue between Firebird Suite and Siberian Kartru is what I want, everytime.

Ryan

08-10-2004, 10:58 AM

Going for the one----total shyt.

Steve---what the hell is that slide about then?

Jon---that vox, ohh hell man.

This song spoils a good album.

Started the Brum gig with it too--- still, I had a chance to get some more beer during the first song.

Cheers fans.

oh come on now. I think Going for the one is almost as good as awaken

i think the most overated YESsong is OTSWOF

capnkrk

08-10-2004, 11:12 AM

Endless Dream
Mind Drive (garbage)
On the Silent Wings of Freedom
Don't Kill the Whale

Timmo

08-10-2004, 01:34 PM

Endless Dream
Mind Drive (garbage)
On the Silent Wings of Freedom
Don't Kill the WhaleHave you seen "Mind Drive" live?

TIM
Venice, CA

capnkrk

08-10-2004, 01:42 PM

Have you seen "Mind Drive" live?

TIM
Venice, CA

Yep, saw the Chicago show. If they hadn't broken it up maybe I could have gotten a better read on it, I dunno. I know I'm in the minority on this one because I always get hammered, but I just think all of the Keys material was weak with the possible exception of Be the One. Just doesn't trip my trigger.

Stever

08-10-2004, 04:42 PM

I like all the songs here to varying degrees, as I'm sure most who answer this post do, so yada yada ..... it's tough. I eventually went with YIND. I find myself periodically skipping it and perpetual change sometimes when listening to albums with those on them. They just never grabbed me as much as most of the rest of the bands great songs. They're okay, but can wear on me after too many listenings in too short of time, whereas a lot of other epics of theirs don't.

mattquarterstein

08-24-2004, 02:19 AM

Heart of the Sunrise, out of those. The structure is a bit cut and paste for me.

I think Onward is overrated too.

But Drama? Overrated? No!

(Puts on Trevor Horn glasses and does a Trevor Horn dance)

About The Round

08-24-2004, 05:25 AM

Of the choices above I had to pick Starship Trooper because of the final part Würm. I'm a bit tired of it beeing the "jamming" number. I´ve heard too many routine versions.

ATR

Earl Grey

08-24-2004, 05:27 AM

Stairway To Heaven.

Awaken is much better.

:ele:

paulovajao

08-24-2004, 06:01 AM

Gates Of Delirium!

yessongs72

08-24-2004, 06:25 AM

Yep, saw the Chicago show. If they hadn't broken it up maybe I could have gotten a better read on it, I dunno. I know I'm in the minority on this one because I always get hammered, but I just think all of the Keys material was weak with the possible exception of Be the One. Just doesn't trip my trigger.

I will join you in the minority about Mind Drive. This has got to be the weakest song ever by this lineup. Maybe it was because they had not performed together for 16 years.I also will say 75% the Rabin era songs.

Earl Grey

08-24-2004, 06:32 AM

I will join you in the minority about Mind Drive. This has got to be the weakest song ever by this lineup. Maybe it was because they had not performed together for 16 years.I also will say 75% the Rabin era songs.

DON!

Not only do we disagree politically, but once in a while (not often!) we disagree MUSICALLY!

How could you SAY that? Shame on you!

Hehehehehe! :lmao:

I love Mind Drive! Listen to it again, without the LSD.

;)

Good to see ya man! Hey, why aren't you coming out to LA for the last Yesshow of this tour?

I was supposed to buy you a beer... I'llstrill buy you a beer. Some liberal microbrew from San Lois Obispo.

...A lonely 8 dollar beer sitting in the wings of the Universal Ampitheatre...

Big 'Ol hug Don. Good to bump into you man!~

Earl Grey

08-24-2004, 06:36 AM

'strill'

Blame it on the Bushmills.

About to hit the hay here!

yessongs72

08-24-2004, 06:48 AM

DON!

Not only do we disagree politically, but once in a while (not often!) we disagree MUSICALLY!Earl, you know that i am "Right"! lol

How could you SAY that? Shame on you!

Hehehehehe! :lmao:

I love Mind Drive! Listen to it again, without the LSD.Earl, try listening to it straight,haha!

;)

Good to see ya man! Hey, why aren't you coming out to LA for the last Yesshow of this tour? I am boycotting Yes for not coming to the southeast,shame on them!

I was supposed to buy you a beer... I'llstrill buy you a beer. Some liberal microbrew from San Lois Obispo.Yeah, and I will bring some Conservative Gentleman Jack.

...A lonely 8 dollar beer sitting in the wings of the Universal Ampitheatre...

Big 'Ol hug Don. Good to bump into you man!~

Earl, be cool and get some sleep,zzzzzz.....

Alex

09-15-2004, 10:45 AM

owner, by a mile

Timmo

10-05-2004, 03:16 AM

No way!

America RULED live!

"Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike!"

Scooty

10-05-2004, 03:23 AM

Of songs in current rotation- it's gotta be AMERICA. I can't figure out why they brought that out of retirement.

OMG!!

America kicks serious butt live!!
I was damn glad to have it played on this leg!!
it jams!

Scoot

WhiteKnight

10-05-2004, 08:09 AM

This poll has surprised me!

I voted for Awaken and I thought I would be alone, I find instead that at least 28 more people voted for it!

I think Awaken is a great piece (and definitely not the worst of the list) but I never understood how could it be compared to CttE or any piece off TfTO, for instance. To me, it just doesn't sound as deep, not even close to. I think it has a great atmosphere but little structure (compared to other Yes epics).

Good? Incredibly so.
Overrated? A little bit, ya!

Starship Trooper

10-05-2004, 02:34 PM

Of songs in current rotation- it's gotta be AMERICA. I can't figure out why they brought that out of retirement.

I felt the same way about America when they said they were playing it in Merrillville, IN. But as soon as it started and Steve started rocking out, I forgot the bad feeling and liked it.

You have to admit it jams, if for the guitar playing alone.

remembering

10-12-2004, 12:36 PM

Can't vote on any of these. If there had been something from the Drama Album then I would have voted for that. I was at a 'Drama' concert (performed in Oxford UK) and when the 'Buggles Pair' started to go into 'Video Killed the Radio Star' everone and I mean everyone laughed so loud that Trev had to shutup and sing something that we wanted to hear

soul warrior

10-12-2004, 01:03 PM

Mind Drive - a good song in my opinion, but overrated.

rickweber

10-13-2004, 07:20 PM

All the songs listed here are highlights. Crowd pleasers. Who put this list together? Forest Gump?

Jackaranda

10-13-2004, 08:04 PM

Not anything listed for sure.

I'm gonna say.....................this is hard....................
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Long Distance Runaround.

yesmandroc

10-14-2004, 01:27 AM

Timmo

10-14-2004, 01:34 AM

Gotta disagree with you on this one yesmandroc.

OtSWoF ROCKS HARD.

Chris' "trememolo" picking is nirvana. There ain't nothing "haphazard" about it. Re-listen to "Fish Out of Water"if you think so...then talk to me.

Steve's short solo in the opening is worth the price of admission alone. Nothing short of stellar.

I put it up there with the best of the best. Probably my favorite "sub-epic" song that the band has ever done, up there with aYaI, TBO, Soundchaser, "Release, Release" and "Children of Light."

I also have to disagree with Soul Warrior on "Mind Drive." Great stuff. Fascinating , especially if you listen to the original "XYZ sessions" as to the song's genesis.

yesmandroc

10-14-2004, 01:36 AM

See i like it when it gets to the verse. I love the way Jon sings it. I just would leave out the whole intro.

Scooty

10-14-2004, 01:48 AM

I voted for Trooper, but i really believe it's Silent Wings. I don't know what people see in that song. Certainly it isn't Chris' haphazard tremolo picking we all like to pretend is a great bass solo?

Oh man...I sooooooooooooooooo have to diasagree here.

Haphazard??Tremelo picking??

WTF??!!?

Pretend?
Man..you try playing it...its inventive, completely original, masterful bass playing..Bass guitar should not be relegated to the lower registers..Chris proves this ALL the time..

Haphazard is hardly the word I would use..Chris is NEVER haphazard. Always painstakingly working out his basslines..this is one of his most inventive, precise and Rockin' lines ever..

And the effect he is using ( I believe an envelope filter) has never been used to such great effect before..He hinted at it on "Wonderous Stories" but this song..he blows everything out of the water...its a jam...I am still trying to get this one right..and when I do...Im going to put it right up there with Sound Chaser, Gates, Scootfish..oops..s'cuse me, Whitefish..

I so disagree..LOL...
This song ROCKS!

Scoot

Amy

10-14-2004, 09:56 AM

I voted for Trooper, but i really believe it's Silent Wings. I don't know what people see in that song. Certainly it isn't Chris' haphazard tremolo picking we all like to pretend is a great bass solo?
Listen to me. This song is a gem. A classic.
I would have agreed with you completely - until this week when I heard it live. Tormato annoys me. It does not do this song justice. If you have only heard this song on Tormato, pm me with your address and I will send you a version that will blow you away.

yesmandroc

10-14-2004, 11:10 PM

Oh man...I sooooooooooooooooo have to diasagree here.

Haphazard??Tremelo picking??

WTF??!!?

Pretend?
Man..you try playing it...its inventive, completely original, masterful bass playing..Bass guitar should not be relegated to the lower registers..Chris proves this ALL the time..

Haphazard is hardly the word I would use..Chris is NEVER haphazard. Always painstakingly working out his basslines..this is one of his most inventive, precise and Rockin' lines ever..

And the effect he is using ( I believe an envelope filter) has never been used to such great effect before..He hinted at it on "Wonderous Stories" but this song..he blows everything out of the water...its a jam...I am still trying to get this one right..and when I do...Im going to put it right up there with Sound Chaser, Gates, Scootfish..oops..s'cuse me, Whitefish..

I so disagree..LOL...
This song ROCKS!

Scoot

Yes I think it's an envelope filter. that's a great sound.

look there's no way you're going to get me to believe he painstakingly worked out the intro to Silent Wings. I esteem most of his basslines above just about anyone's, but not this. Squire is not a jam oriented player. Steve, yes. But not Chris.
I didn't say basslines should be relegated to the lower register. No one who's aware of Jaco or Victor Wootin (sp?) would say any such nonsense. I just think Chris is strongest when he's playing composed lines, not taking a solo.

eddie

10-15-2004, 05:18 AM

I'VE SEEN ALL GOOD PEOPLE

dire bilge

Please never play it live again

yesmandroc

10-15-2004, 09:00 PM

OK so I listened to Silent Wings today for the first tgime in a while. I was kinda wrong. It doesn't have any jamming or the tremolo picking i referred to. I was thinking of the Ritual. But it still doesn't amuse me.

cinderella

10-15-2004, 11:03 PM

Yours Is No Disgrace. Sorry I can't stand that song.

And to everyone who voted for Owner Of A Lonely Heart...

Go stand in the corner!!

Amy

10-16-2004, 12:34 AM

Yours Is No Disgrace. Sorry I can't stand that song.

And to everyone who voted for Owner Of A Lonely Heart...

Go stand in the corner!!
Cindy!! OMG!! LOL!!

.....and if Owner was on the list, I would have been able to vote on this pole.

Mike Watkins

10-17-2004, 02:27 AM

I've seen all good people.

maybe i've just heard it too much.

Mike Watkins

10-17-2004, 02:29 AM

oh yeah I forgot! Definately Owner of a Lonely Heart!!!!

like fingernails on a blackboard......

(w/ apologies to cinderella)

fragile34

10-17-2004, 10:38 PM

how can so many people vote for gates? it's just so undeniably good.

Scooty

10-20-2004, 03:45 AM

Awaken and GoD at 1 and 2???

WTF???

I cant believe people would find either of these tracks overated..
Im shocked...
appauled

come on!!

Scoot

Jackaranda

10-25-2004, 07:04 PM

I, for one, can't stand Heart Of The Sunrise.

Which proves there's a first for everything here on Yesfans.

I'm gonna put my life on the line and say Close to the Edge.

Amy

10-26-2004, 12:26 AM

I'm gonna put my life on the line and say Close to the Edge.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

cinderella

10-26-2004, 12:35 AM

well I guess everybody's choice pisses somebody off. ;)

Yep! I guess so. I know my choices usually do!

Definately Owner of a Lonely Heart!!!!

like fingernails on a blackboard......

(w/ apologies to cinderella)

Well at least you apologized, Mike!

But I may have to stand Amy in the corner. ;)

Amy

10-26-2004, 12:46 AM

Well at least you apologized, Mike!

But I may have to stand Amy in the corner. ;)
:crybby:
I don't think I can handle the corner tonight, Cindy. I'm already too depressed.....JACK should go in the corner for sure! :D
Shocking!! LOL!

RSOG

10-26-2004, 03:49 AM

Drama-Talk, that should just about cover it all.

mattquarterstein

10-26-2004, 07:32 AM

Yep, that covers the underrated songs. Now what about the overrated ones? :p

cinderella

10-30-2004, 12:50 AM

Yep, that covers the underrated songs. Now what about the overrated ones? :p

:lol: Good one Matt.

slazman

10-30-2004, 01:36 AM

America for me ... I just don't get it

yesmandroc

11-04-2004, 10:32 PM

I'll say "Sweet Dreams." That's the one song off TAAW about which I can't get pumped.

Drummeg

11-11-2004, 01:31 PM

I suppose I'm really just a soft touch and therefore find it hard to critise (or is that 'ize' or does that just depend upon where you are in the world?) - I listen more to the tracks I prefer. Can any Yes tracks be overrated?
hugs

soundchaser_micheal

11-29-2004, 10:19 PM

Don't get me wrong And You And I is a good song but... i think it is just way too overrated.

Jackaranda

11-30-2004, 05:30 PM

I officially take back anything negative I said about CTTE. I was temporarily insane at the time.

Hmmmm.........how about Love Will Find A Way. Trev should have let Stevie keep that one.

umgekehrt

11-30-2004, 05:53 PM

Glad to see I'm not alone here. In fact, we're the majority here who think that Awaken is overrated. It just drags on and on and on doesn't it? Still, it's much better than Mind Drive.

11-30-2004, 06:04 PM

Glad to see I'm not alone here. In fact, we're the majority here who think that Awaken is overrated. It just drags on and on and on doesn't it? Still, it's much better than Mind Drive.

While it's difficult to take exception with anyone cool enough to inhabit a place called the Gates of Deliri-Umgy, I must respectfully disagree. There is not a wasted milisecond in Awaken. It builds then ebbs and flows beautifully throughout all the way to "and you were standing close to me". An incredibly moving piece which really stands out among the many moving Yes pieces.

As for the vote, since none of the above wasn't an option and I find none of the listed songs overrated, I refrained from voting.

Timmo

11-30-2004, 06:12 PM

Can't believe Awaken is winning.

Amy

11-30-2004, 10:44 PM

Can't believe Awaken is winning.
And Gates is not far behind.

Some things are just beyond my comprehension.

Scooty

11-30-2004, 11:08 PM

Can't believe Awaken is winning.

Its hard to wrap my head around this one, makes my brain hurt..Awaken cannot be overrated..its just not possible

And the fact that Gates isnt far behind makes me want to go lie down for a bit...

allpurechance

12-01-2004, 01:14 AM

...!!!... Once again,I'm not voting,just 'weighing in'...."Owner Of A Lonely Heart".(not listed!...amazing.)As happy as I was to see Yes get some response from the masses,and as pleasing as it was to have them back after 'The Troubles',Yes' finest music has always been the stuff that's sorta 'hidden' on those albums(to use the anachronistic term,here...).Even on 90125,you had to listen to the entirety(at least initially) to get to that "Hold On"(mmMmm..THAT's a goodie!!),or to that "Leave It".Apologies to all Trevor fans,but this was Yes' most overrated period,period(.)....!...and it's been this way for other bands,too,hasn't it?Would Waters and Gilmore say that "Money",or "Another Brick Pt.II" was The Floyd-ian zenith?Would Page call "D'Yer Maker" the pinnacle of all things Zeppelin-ic?Or Weir refer to "Touch Of Grey" in such a way?Yet all of these tunes assisted in getting a larger segment of the population to be more familiar with some great music.Never a bad thing!Many of you wouldn't be here now if it weren't for "Owner".For this alone,I still love this piece of music.That being said,however-to me,the song has a much more anachronistic 'feel' to it than does any of the above listed choices,although,of course,ALL of these choices are much older.Guess I'm giving myself away with regard to my own personal favorite Yes period.That is,excepting the current period!Makes me happy just to still be able to talk about Yes as an ongoing concern!

yesmandroc

12-01-2004, 03:51 PM

Amy

12-01-2004, 04:03 PM

Although I like Awaken, I kind of understand the gripe. That middle section until Steve comes in with the Dom-flat9 chord drags on a bit. Obviously it has to go on for a while: that's the nature of the music. It wouldn't make any sense to have the harp with organ runs for, like, 8 bars. I still stand behind Silent Wings as being overrated. Sorry Amy. The live version just didn't sway me.
Wow....go figure! LOL!
No problem. Everyone has their own taste. No need for me to understand it. Hey, I tried, right? And you got yourself one hell of a CD out of it just for trying! :D

yesmandroc

12-01-2004, 04:36 PM

Wow....go figure! LOL!
No problem. Everyone has their own taste. No need for me to understand it. Hey, I tried, right? And you got yourself one hell of a CD out of it just for trying! :D

Sure did! I can't thank you enough! I would be happy to return the favor, if I had anything you were interested in.

Jackaranda

12-01-2004, 06:07 PM

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

I was kidding.........

justyes

12-03-2004, 10:31 AM

AYAI it is. They are playing this on almost every concert since 73. It gets more boring all the time.

johnv

12-07-2004, 07:28 PM

In My Opinion Awaken Should Be Renamed Sleepen To Me It Is The Most Overrated (classic) Yessong.i Just Cannot Get Into The Song At All Dont Ask Me Why But I Just Cant . I Think Its Boring

Scooty

12-07-2004, 08:51 PM

In My Opinion Awaken Should Be Renamed Sleepen To Me It Is The Most Overrated (classic) Yessong.i Just Cannot Get Into The Song At All Dont Ask Me Why But I Just Cant . I Think Its Boring

Im at a loss for words on this one..

.....
.........
.............

Nope!..Its oficial my mind is now boggled
I think I need to lie down

Timmo

12-07-2004, 08:56 PM

I'm stumped as well.

"Awaken" does not win my "favorite epic" award (that goes to "Gates") but it is the most beautiful.

Try listening to it stoned?

yesmandroc

12-07-2004, 08:59 PM

Well it took a while for me to get into Awaken. For me, i had on GFTO one day, and was suddenly caught by the "Master of Images" part.

smatt

12-07-2004, 10:07 PM

PPPPhhhhttttt....

I can't vote in this poll, I can't pick any ofne of those as over rated. Now if the The remembering was in there then maybe, but...........

Amy

12-07-2004, 10:28 PM

PPPPhhhhttttt....

I can't vote in this poll, I can't pick any ofne of those as over rated. Now if the The remembering was in there then maybe, but...........
Neither can I, Matt.....and I wouldn't pick The Remembering either.
No way. The ending alone makes up for anything that might be considered "padding".

This really is a tough thread!!
Why do I keep reading it??
I get this pressure in my head......LOL
It does go away as soon as I exit the thread though.

yesmandroc

12-07-2004, 11:08 PM

I wouldn't think of The Remembering as being overrated. I didn't think that many people liked it to begin with. My only problem with it is Jon's vowel placement on the word "Someone."

Timmo

12-07-2004, 11:09 PM

Well it took a while for me to get into Awaken. For me, i had on GFTO one day, and was suddenly caught by the "Master of Images" part.Funny. First time I spun GFTO, I latched onto "Awaken." And played it incessantly for months.

Thank Messier Moraz for the "Master of Images" portion.

I'm with Amy on "The Remembering." I don't care how much it's "padded," the last 3 minutes are among some of the most sublime Yesmusics ever made.

yesmandroc

12-07-2004, 11:23 PM

Funny. First time I spun GFTO, I latched onto "Awaken." And played it incessantly for months.

Thank Messier Moraz for the "Master of Images" portion.

I'm with Amy on "The Remembering." I don't care how much it's "padded," the last 3 minutes are among some of the most sublime Yesmusics ever made.

I think I was too into GFTO and TOTC. My favorite part in The Remembering is "Don the cap and close your eyes imagine all the glorious challenge."

Timmo

12-07-2004, 11:33 PM

Yep, that's a good'un.

I'll reserve my comments on "who is john galt?" Let's just say I'm NOT a big Ayn Rand fan.

Koko

12-08-2004, 01:00 PM

Just to play devil's advocate, what Yessong do you think has received the most undue praise (excluding anything from the controversial Tales From Topographic Oceans)?

I, for one, can't stand Heart Of The Sunrise.

Unable to Vote - as you have Not included the most overrated Yes track of All Time - - it being - endless dream - should be re-titled 'endless drone'

yesmandroc

12-08-2004, 06:35 PM

I'll reserve my comments on "who is john galt?" Let's just say I'm NOT a big Ayn Rand fan.

Well nobody's perfect, Tim.

jfuruno

01-06-2005, 03:22 PM

Try as I might, I just kind help finding Awaken too disjointed to enjoy. It is a catchy little tune one keeps hoping might turn into a song.

Amy

01-06-2005, 05:36 PM

...and I was feeling good tonight, too. :confused:

Scaramouche

01-06-2005, 07:13 PM

I don't think any of the tracks are over rated...they are all classic Yes peices.

I am slightly upset to hear that Awaken is clearing the others by a length or more, I love the song, especially from when Jon comes in with, 'masters of Images...etc'

I have voted however, for Gates of Delerium, purely because if I had to choose I would choose this one for two reasons...firstly it is my least favourite on the list and secondly the instrumental section goes on far to long and at times starts to resemble noise rather than coherant music....I know it was a battle and that was their intention, but still I am a music lover and not a noise lover.

I do love the first section and 'soon' is beautiful and I am quite happy to put my hand up and say i still love it, but out of that particular list, it comes at the very bottom.

Love and New Languages.

Scaramouche xx

Scooty

01-07-2005, 03:53 AM

Try as I might, I just kind help finding Awaken too disjointed to enjoy. It is a catchy little tune one keeps hoping might turn into a song.

I dont understand this...

It could be my adled brain, but how in the name of all that is holy could Awaken be considered overated?? How is this possible...

(proceeding now to perform the Pacino temple grab,so well used in the Godfather trilogy..and requesting a moist washcloth for my head whilst I contemplate this...)

jfuruno

01-07-2005, 10:03 AM

I dont understand this...

It could be my adled brain, but how in the name of all that is holy could Awaken be considered overated?? How is this possible...

(proceeding now to perform the Pacino temple grab,so well used in the Godfather trilogy..and requesting a moist washcloth for my head whilst I contemplate this...)

It is not for lack of trying on my part. I throw it in to the changer a couple times a month. I make sure to put it in the car for trips, but I just don't think it is as good as their other epic pieces. Headed in the right direction though. I would like to see more attempts in this direction, but I stick by my earlier post. Awaken falls short of anything on Tales, CTTE, or Relayer, and most of the stuff on TYA, or Fragile. It is far better than anything on Talk however.

Amy

01-07-2005, 10:29 AM

(proceeding now to perform the Pacino temple grab,so well used in the Godfather trilogy..and requesting a moist washcloth for my head whilst I contemplate this...)
Here you go.....
I'll get another one ready for ya....

Jackaranda

01-09-2005, 03:31 PM

Hmmmm........back to the subject.

Hmmmm........maybe...........Leave It? Never one of my favorites, anyway.

umgekehrt

01-09-2005, 03:57 PM

Mind Drive. Not even worth the polycarbonate plastic it's printed on.

rememberer

01-09-2005, 04:00 PM

It could be my adled brain, but how in the name of all that is holy could Awaken be considered overated?? How is this possible...

The rocking parts I have always liked, Jon's vocal melodies are excellent. But
I think it's easy for the subtlety to elude some of us with less sensitive or less refined palletes. They've probably done some things on the song (the album actually) that might be most impressive to people who are more familiar with some of the elements and the subtleties of classical music.

I noticed that on the FM broadcast weeds from the Tormato tour, the song in its entirety is finally grabbing hold of me for the first time, apparently when they run the (sorry) "boring parts" through compression or whatever so they slap me up the head (slap!), I finally start to get it after all these years. If anyone can't figure out what everyone sees in Awaken, maybe consider having a listen to one of those.

Nes

01-12-2005, 08:42 PM

I've never really liked heart of the sunrise's studio version ever since I got Yessongs. The live version is so much more powerful then the studio version to me...

Roan's Lady

01-12-2005, 10:47 PM

Owner of a Lonely Heart

For the life of me, I'll never understand the outpouring of love for this "song".

ladybugjt68

01-12-2005, 10:54 PM

Overrated is not in my VOCABULARY when it comes to YES

allgoodyes

01-12-2005, 11:35 PM

Well said, Ladybugjt68! Yes is one of the most underrated bands on the planet.

Bryan G

01-22-2005, 02:27 AM

Sorry I cannot vote in this poll. None of the songs listed are overated. They are all classics.
It would be a dream come true for me if the set-list for next years concerts included all the songs you've listed.
I have to agree with this....and if you can't stand Heart Of The Sunrise I don't see how you can be a Yes fan...just my opinion.....

Bryan G

01-22-2005, 02:30 AM

Owner of a Lonely Heart

For the life of me, I'll never understand the outpouring of love for this "song".
I remember thinking that Yes was finished, I was so sad. Then I heard they were back together and putting out another album, then I heard it, I was so dissapointed when I heard Owner of a Lonely Heart, it don't suck, but.......

This needed editing: I think owner of a lonely heart is a written well, better than any other "pop" song out there. I might like it if the radio didn't play it every hour for a year.

yesmandroc

01-22-2005, 02:54 AM

I have to agree with this....and if you can't stand Heart Of The Sunrise I don't see how you can be a Yes fan...just my opinion.....
No I'm quite sure that's fact.

MoonGateClimber

01-26-2005, 09:46 AM

I would have voted, but you did'nt have OOALH as a choice...

Hill St.

02-05-2005, 01:53 AM

I notice all the songs are from 70's.I think not.Overrated ,I say the Rabin era .Pick a song!

02-11-2005, 09:50 PM

Yes, most all of the 80's stuff is overrated. I actually prefer BG to all from that incarnation.

As for Classic Yes, I say Heart of the Sunrise is overrated. It's been touted as some Bass Feature song. I never understood this. It's easy to play and quite formulaic. I never bothered to figure it out until I had to. Once I had to, all I needed was the starting key and it took very little time. I never cared for the chromatic lick heard at the very beginning. It's a lick, not a melody. It's repeated way too many times in the beginning. The arrangement is inventive, but it is a bit jerky at times. Kind of copy-cut-and-paste. Amongst all of the musicians I've worked with on Yes and other Prog material, this song was only brought up by one person. With releases like CTTE, Tales, Relayer, and the majority of GFTO, this song just never made the cut. I can't understand why it is played so much. I was relieved to have it nixed on the last couple of tours. We are all great Yes fans. Moreso than many since we've learned to play a LOT of their music. So, having been on the inside and the outside, I think it's overrated.

02-11-2005, 10:01 PM

...Awaken falls short of anything on Tales, CTTE, or Relayer...
I can see your point. When GFTO came out, Awaken was seen as a poor man's Tales/Relayer. A nod to the "old" fans of the previous 3 albums. They had Wondrous Stories on the radio. It was like they were saying, "We're doing some simpler songs for the radio, but here's a bone to throw you. Thanks for hangin in there with us".

I think the middle organ/trance section is way too long. It's repetitive and doesn't develop at a good pace. Some pruning would make it flow much better. When played live, they always leave out the choir at the end. I always thought THAT was the cherry on top. Yet, they never use it.

BTW, 2/3 of the song is the same chord progression.

, and most of the stuff on TYA, or Fragile. It is far better than anything on Talk however.
Awaken is easily, if not better than most all of Fragile and TYE, so we may differ there. I do think those albums were more unique for their time period than Awaken was for it's time period, though. We'll split that 50/50.

What's a Talk? ;)

cinderella

02-11-2005, 10:17 PM

Yours Is No Disgrace. It gives me a headache.

Overrated ,I say the Rabin era .Pick a song!

That's easy. I'm Running.

Barfola!!!

cinderella

02-11-2005, 10:21 PM

What's a Talk? ;)

Yeah you'd better wink when you say that.

raz

02-12-2005, 05:52 AM

holy lamb...
i never got this song...
nope
not good for me

starship_trooper

02-12-2005, 04:34 PM

I, too, have to say that none of these are overrated in my opinion.

wolfhound

02-12-2005, 05:27 PM

Has "Don't Go" been rated yet? If it gets any positive rating at all, then it's overrated.
It's the first YES song I cannot listen to.
Even the opening vocals are like fingernails on the chalkboard.
I never thought it'd happen with any of YES' music. Maybe, it was bound to happen once.
Luckily, they aren't pointing to this one as one of their classics.

kevycanavan

02-13-2005, 01:19 PM

would say I've seen all good people is a very overrated song too. Voted for Awaken

Timmo

02-21-2005, 03:00 AM

ISAGP NEVER, that's NEVER, fails to bring a smile to my face, no matter how many gajillion times I've heard it.

Definitely not overrated.

Scooty

02-21-2005, 03:02 AM

Yeah...
ISAGP always makes me stand up and boogie..

Hill St.

02-25-2005, 01:00 AM

Yours Is No Disgrace. It gives me a headache.

That's easy. I'm Running.

Barfola!!!

Touche,Cindy.Right in my wheel house.Here's a 'scrip for your headache(preaching to the choir)1 part "Changes" 1 part "Leave it" 1 part "Rhythm...1 part "Love Will...I think you know why I picked these.

Scooty

02-25-2005, 03:32 AM

Yours Is No Disgrace. It gives me a headache.

That's easy. I'm Running.

Barfola!!!

Ok now Im convinced Cinderelly...you ARE out of your mind...:lmao:

allpurechance

02-25-2005, 03:40 AM

I have found that I've THOUGHT many Yessongs were overrated-----

UNTIL!----

I've seen them played live in front of my face.

Don't Kill The Whale--Jones Beach,Long Island,Summer 2002

Never really thought much of the song.

They were "leaning into" it.They played it like everyone's life depended on it.Steve smoked the guitar!The vocals were urgent and vibrant,Jon,Chris and Steve,all.Chris just 'whaling'(bad pun intended).Alan,his lights off...it was very hot that evening.We wondered if he had asked for them to be extinguished...for,he THUMPED,continuously!Rick,otherwordly on the synths.

It was another one of those moments...Yes had become a heavy metal giant,the kind that every other band in the lands becomes so jealous of...

My GOD!!!How this song Thumped!...I had never imagined it in this context.

...AND,it wasn't even the best song of the night...but it was an amazing moment(correction:ANOTHER amazing moment...).

TakeItEasy221

03-26-2005, 02:32 PM

None of these are overrated-and why isn't Owner of a Lonely Heart on the List??!!

smatt

03-26-2005, 02:45 PM

Just about anything from OYE........ :thinking:

Oh wait nevermind :lmao:

Dances w/PURPLE

03-26-2005, 04:44 PM

OK, I have an album....Magnification and the best thing I can say about Mag is the cover art is fantastic.

Jackaranda

03-26-2005, 04:46 PM

OK, I have an album....Magnification and the best thing I can say about Mag is the cover art is fantastic.

Patty! That's blasphemy!!

Well............it does seem a bit uninspired. I like it, but it's in the lower levels of Yes music for me.

yesmandroc

03-26-2005, 08:54 PM

None of these are overrated-and why isn't Owner of a Lonely Heart on the List??!!

Probably because so few Yesfans actually like it.

Kashmir

04-10-2005, 02:09 AM

I voted Heart of the sunrise.

PrimeMover

04-20-2005, 04:42 PM

The reality is subjective, what is overrated for someone is underrated for someone else. Therefore no yessong is overrated, because there will always be people who likes it..:)

mornelth

04-22-2005, 03:30 PM

Most overrated - Owner of the lonely heart
Most overplayed - Roundabout

Can't vote in the poll.

cinderella

04-23-2005, 01:11 PM

Ok now Im convinced Cinderelly...you ARE out of your mind...

So like tell me something I DON'T know. :lmao:

Earl Grey

04-23-2005, 01:25 PM

I voted Heart of the sunrise.

Woah Mama!

I can't believe you mentioned HOTS as an overrated song!

I couldn't disagree more, but am going to give you 'rep-points' for general ballsyness!

(Earl shakes his head repeatedly, the few neurons left in his head sounding like Davey Jones' marracca, ...grouchily mumbling to himself:mumble-grumble-ramble-tamble-rumble, can't believe HOTS is mentioned as an overrated song-mumblegrumble... ;)

Welcome to Yesfans Kashmir! I'm just giving you a hard time, kidding ya around. Patty's MAGNIFICATION comment, double-woah on that one! :lmao:

urlieGEE:ele:

YESYOUANDI

04-23-2005, 01:36 PM

Well Kashmir IS----the most over-rated Zep. song. (along with the album Physical G.).

So what would he know anyway?

Cheers fans

shortexchanges

04-23-2005, 01:46 PM

heart is just overplayed live, its a great tune but I have heard it enough live and would welcome other songs when they are on tour!

Earl Grey

04-23-2005, 01:51 PM

Well Kashmir IS----the most over-rated Zep. song. (along with the album Physical G.).

So what would he know anyway?

Cheers fans

:dog: Touche!

I have to agree with Prime Mover on this thread... Trying to pick from the choices given in the poll is a bit frustrating...

I didn't care for 'Into The Lense' at one time. I thought the chorus was, well... 'Twee' or something...

Now I love it...

'Camera Camera'

It's still a dumb chorus, but better than anything currently on the charts: Naw, can't even vote against that one...
I'm hopeless! And happy. :ele:

Sheerah

04-23-2005, 01:57 PM

Well Kashmir IS----the most over-rated Zep. song.

Cheers fans

Blasphemer!

FYI.... HOTS is amazing!!!!!!!
I mean the intro alone - WOW!

Sheerah

04-23-2005, 02:00 PM

I didn't care for 'Into The Lense' at one time. I thought the chorus was, well... 'Twee' or something...

Now I love it...

'Camera Camera'

AAAAAAAAAAAAARH!!!!!

I am blind! (er, I mean, deaf)

Earl Grey

04-23-2005, 02:06 PM

heart is just overplayed live, its a great tune but I have heard it enough live and would welcome other songs when they are on tour!

I hear ya shortexchange, but no... I can't even say I'm tired of hearing it live. I never tire of hearing HOTS.

I would love it if Howe used a bit more crunch on his guitar, like he did back in the good 'ol days...

Back in the days of Tormato, I remember how YES played HOTS live.
With such fire and maniacal speed, it sounded like the hoofbeats of the the Apocalypse coming down from a roiling eschatological sky... It sounded like the end of the world, or maybe it just sounded like the end of disco.

I'm feeling nostalgic for the end of the world, what a great time we had!

:ele:

Skyward

04-23-2005, 02:13 PM

To me, it is not possible to have any YES song labeled as being, "overrated". In a more general sense, I find that they are all underrated.

Earl Grey

04-23-2005, 02:17 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAARH!!!!! I am blind! (er, I mean, deaf)

I know Sheera, I know...

...It took me a long time, year and years and eons and epochs to get past that chorus.

But now, I actually like it.

Or maybe I tolerate it. But if you listen to the rest of the song, you have to admit (well, you don't 'have to' anything) the playing is amazing! Some of the best stuff on the album...

So what if the chorus sounds like DEVO on cartoon-acid! ;)

'Camera Camera Camera Camera, I am a Camera, Camera Camera Camera Camera Camera....'

...teasing ya now kiddo! ;)

Earl Grey

04-23-2005, 02:24 PM

To me, it is not possible to have any YES song labeled as being, "overrated". In a more general sense, I find that they are all underrated.

Can anybody say 'Halleluiah'?

Halleluiah! I absolutely agree with you there Skyward.

I mean, the 'critics' (whatever they are) still pan anything and everything by YES... So it's difficult for me to toss in with them on any level.

After all, the worst Yessong is better than ANYTHING on the charts right now.

urlieG:yesbird:

Earl Grey

04-23-2005, 02:27 PM

...Camera Camera Camera Camera Camera Camera...

...still teasing ya Sheera! ;)

YESYOUANDI

04-23-2005, 02:27 PM

Hey, Earlie and sschiff.---I thinks ya got the wrong end of the stick here Ya know?

I'm sayin----HEART OF THE SUNRISE is the dogs bollox arh kid.

Cheers fans.

SonicDeath10

04-24-2005, 12:14 AM

i put awaken but it was a really hard choice. it was just, out of all of those songs, awaken was the one that impressed me the least on first listening. i love it now... :rightG:

Sound Chaser 7490

05-25-2005, 08:13 PM

I voted for Awaken, only 'cause I had to. It's a 9.5 while all the others are 10's, besides ST(also a 9.5), which isn't their most overrated because, unlike Awaken, I don't think it is generally considered one of their very best.

brotherofmine

06-01-2005, 09:22 AM

Blasphemer!
"Well all I said was that this fish was good enough for Jahova"
...Sorry..Shee..couldn't resist slipping in the MP there. Now back to thread............

Mostly Harmless

06-01-2005, 01:48 PM

A bit surprised by the results thus far, I had to go with Yours is No Disgrace. Probably would have picked Long Distance Runaround if it had been on the list or Owner of a Lonely Heart.

Amy

06-01-2005, 11:29 PM

Ok, I've decided this thread isn't all that bad. Every time it pops up, I have to listen to these songs, especially Awaken.

allpurechance

06-02-2005, 01:15 AM

Ok, I've decided this thread isn't all that bad. Every time it pops up, I have to listen to these songs, especially Awaken.

lmaoOOOOOOO,Ame!

I have previously weighed in with Owner Of A Lonely Heart being overrated,but--I now want to 2nd what Skyward and Earl previously agreed.
There are no overrated Yessongs.All of them are undervalued.Yep,Earl.Even the "worst"(if there can be such a thing) Yestune is better than anything with which we are currently presented...

marklovesyes

06-05-2005, 03:56 AM

Hmm - none of those songs listed I think are overrated at all.

If "Mind Drive" were on the list, then I would vote, though. I like "Mind Drive", but I do think it is a bit overrated.

Charles Matejic

07-18-2005, 11:51 PM

Don't worry Blue tail Fly I voted Awaken as the most overrated too. not even in the same leaugue as the others listed there.Easiest choice so far in any of these polls I've participated in!We should have a poll on :What song have you listened to over and over again in one sitting the most? For me that would be Yours is no Disgrace.The Bass on that one keeps me going!!!!!!!

Amy

07-18-2005, 11:57 PM

I've been listening to Tales a lot lately. A good dose of Awaken is in order. ;)

SonicDeath10

07-19-2005, 01:53 AM

Most over rated Yessong? Shock to The System.

MikePike

08-16-2005, 11:37 PM

Owner of a lonely heart.

brickers

08-27-2005, 05:28 PM

im sorry i gotta agree with loads about this poll, none of those tracks are overated!

ThePatman

08-27-2005, 05:38 PM

Owner of a lonely heart.

It's funny that the few songs I feel are overrated, are not in the list. I don't ever have to hear Owner again... ok, maybe once in a while lol. :headset:

inside_out

08-27-2005, 07:37 PM

It's funny that the few songs I feel are overrated, are not in the list. I don't ever have to hear Owner again... ok, maybe once in a while lol. :headset:

Yes, once in a while is just right.

fish62858

08-27-2005, 08:06 PM

DITTO STEVIE!

" Sorry I cannot vote in this poll. None of the songs listed are overated. They are all classics.

The Whale

08-27-2005, 08:37 PM

What!?!?!? Awaken overated??? I've meet two people that arnt yes fans in my life that have even heard the song and its a F-ing masterpiece, I think its underated. I would say All good people is the most overated yes song even over Owner. I know I know but hear me out. Look at the songs that came out in 83 and tell me that song is the worst one. come on.... there was a time and a word and the time was the 80's and the word was cheese, at least it was good cheese.