Should I check out 90124?

[blueclaw]

I'm a bit confused by the track listing for this CD. Does anyone know the correct order? Also, is it worth looking into? I'm having trouble finding it locally. I don't want to order it over the net. Should I continue my search?

Thanks,

Tom

[bondegezou]

Originally posted by blueclaw
I'm a bit confused by the track listing for this CD. Does anyone know the correct order?

The track list at the Voicepring website is wrong. The correct track list is...

"Hold On" demo
"Changes" demo
"Moving In" [Rabin] (includes elements used in "Hold On")
"Would You Feel My Love?"
"Where Will You Be" demo (instrumental)
"Owner of a Lonely Heart" demo
"Walls" demo
"Promenade" [Mussorgsky/Rabin] (guitar instrumental)
"Love will Find a Way"
"Miracle of Life"
"Don't Give In" (alternate version of "Make It Easy")

Further details at <http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/wnyesm.htm#90124>.

Henry

[blueclaw]

Thanks for clearing the list up Henry.

One more question: Are Love Will Find a Way and Miracle of Life demos on 90124 or were they taken from the actual Yes albums?

Thanks,

Tom

[bondegezou]

Originally posted by blueclaw
One more question: Are Love Will Find a Way and Miracle of Life demos on 90124 or were they taken from the actual Yes albums?

They are not Yes's versions, although I don't know how accurate it is to call them demos rather than alternate versions.

H

[RobAdams]

Thanks for your info Henry. Your web site is one of my frequent stops on the net, always informative!

I haven't seen this 90124 CD anywhere yet, however I live in the middle of "cow country" !

[blueclaw]

Thanks again for the info Henry.

I know there was some talk about this CD being disappointing cause it didn't have the original demos for 90125. I'm glad it didn't cause I heard some of those demos and they were dropped for good reasons. Maybe Trev can put out 90123 next year!

[Earl Grey]

Glad you guys found us!

Henry, very cool website... I hadn't seen it before: great information there guy!

Again, I'm glad you both found us, post often and have fun!

Earl:yesbird:

[blueclaw]

Your site is excellent. Keep up the good work!

[Original_Shifty]

Originally posted by blueclaw
Your site is excellent. Keep up the good work!

Actually, it's Tim's site, but sometimes it just feels like it's Earl's site because he lives here. ;)

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by Original_Shifty
Actually, it's Tim's site, but sometimes it just feels like it's Earl's site because he lives here. ;)
good song list you can really se how much anderson kaye squire and white had with the music

[Rabin105]

good song list plus you can see how much kaye white squire and anderson added to the music

[blueclaw]

Well, finally got 90124. I can't say it will be in my CD rotation frequently but ... it's interesting. It's really for those who were into the Rabin-era material. Some high points include "Walls" demo with Roger Hodgson, a Rick James meets Rick Springfield version of "Owner ..." and a fairly close to finish demo of "Miracle of Life."

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by blueclaw
Well, finally got 90124. I can't say it will be in my CD rotation frequently but ... it's interesting. It's really for those who were into the Rabin-era material. Some high points include "Walls" demo with Roger Hodgson, a Rick James meets Rick Springfield version of "Owner ..." and a fairly close to finish demo of "Miracle of Life."
so should have hodgeson joined yes in 89 as jon's replacement yes or no ( judgeing by the walls demo which i always though had tony alan chris trevor and roger)

[blueclaw]

Difficult to say. If he did join there wouldn't have been a "Union" tour. Which I saw twice and thought it was good to see them all up there despite how silly it must have seemed. There probably wouldn't have been a ABWH 2 album also. I've heard the demos and it's obvious they needed to salvage the situation by joining the Rabin camp. However, I never felt Roger was right for Yes. Supertramp has their own place in rock and I think it would seem more like a vanity band than a real progression for Yes.

T

[bondegezou]

Originally posted by Rabin105
( judgeing by the walls demo which i always though had tony alan chris trevor and roger)

I presume the "Walls" demo on _90124_ is Rabin and Hodgson, developed for a (non-Yes-related) collaboration. I don't think Hodgson ever worked with any of the other members of Yes on "Walls".

Henry

[Dances w/PURPLE]

to the two new "b"'s on board! Glad to have you here at YESFANS

[Byroan]

That doesn't answer the burning question- Is it worth getting?- or better phrased- How good is it ?

(I didn't find 90124, but I did pick up Conspiracy 'the unknown', and I'm happy I found it- Squire and Sherwood sound great together- its a little more advanced than 'Owner of a lonely heart'.

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by bondegezou
I presume the "Walls" demo on _90124_ is Rabin and Hodgson, developed for a (non-Yes-related) collaboration. I don't think Hodgson ever worked with any of the other members of Yes on "Walls".

Henry
Yet Hodegson was consider the replacemt (for a few month before he backed out) for Jon I always assumed that that was when Rabin and Hodgeson wrote Walls.Then after that they tried Billy out (the being Kaye, White, Squire, and Rabin) which some of conspiracy was developed (I still say Love Conquers all is a Yes tune) and that was what hapend in 89/90.
p.s. I really think it was ellias that destroyed union had they not been so quickly to get the album out and had the 8 of them, spent as much time as they needed working together and refining everything we would of had a ver different but a very good union album

[blueclaw]

Well, again I say it's for the Rabin-era fans. It's not something I would have in my CD rotation in the car. I would rather hear the final versions. Although I did enjoy "Miracle of Life" "Would You Feel My Love" "Walls" and "Don't Give In" (Which was labeled incorrectly as Cinema). Speaking of mislabeling there are some other errors in the booklet. Some missing paragraphs or something. Strange.

T

[bondegezou]

Originally posted by Rabin105
Yet Hodegson was consider the replacemt (for a few month before he backed out) for Jon I always assumed that that was when Rabin and Hodgeson wrote Walls.Then after that they tried Billy out (the being Kaye, White, Squire, and Rabin) which some of conspiracy was developed (I still say Love Conquers all is a Yes tune) and that was what hapend in 89/90.

Hodgson was considered for YesWest, but the idea does not seem to have gone very far. He was asked: he wasn't keen on the idea. End of story. As far as I can make out, Hodgson never spent any significant time working with YesWest.

However, after the idea that he could join Yes didn't work out, he and Rabin remained in touch and started working on a project together. "Walls" derives from that project.

Originally posted by Rabin105
p.s. I really think it was ellias that destroyed union had they not been so quickly to get the album out and had the 8 of them, spent as much time as they needed working together and refining everything we would of had a ver different but a very good union album

It wasn't Elias who wanted to rush the project out. Elias was initially just working on a second ABWH album and it appears to have been Anderson who drove how those sessions went (cf. <http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/iv/jeinterview.htm>). There was then a late decision to go for a joint album/tour.

Henry

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by bondegezou
Hodgson was considered for YesWest, but the idea does not seem to have gone very far. He was asked: he wasn't keen on the idea. End of story. As far as I can make out, Hodgson never spent any significant time working with YesWest.

However, after the idea that he could join Yes didn't work out, he and Rabin remained in touch and started working on a project together. "Walls" derives from that project.



It wasn't Elias who wanted to rush the project out. Elias was initially just working on a second ABWH album and it appears to have been Anderson who drove how those sessions went (cf. <http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/iv/jeinterview.htm>). There was then a late decision to go for a joint album/tour.

Henry
First of I want to apologize to Ellias (although I wish that it wasn't as bad as it was and if at some point in the future I work with yes i hope my experience won't be that bad) though it does explain a lot (I'm glad that any bad blood in 89/90 wasn't there on the tour/yesyears videotape it looked like everyone was getting along OK) though i find it funny that yes (Tony kaye, Trevor Rabin, Alan White, and Chris squire) had the materiel more complete and better done with out any outside producer and abwh were at each other throats. Also read the jimmy haun interview (so that why Shock to the system sounded very rabinesque Jimmy Haun if you read this great job on Union, you fooled me)

[blueclaw]

I believe Eddie Offord had a hand in "Miracle of Life?" Though I'm not sure about his degree of input for the song. There's a producer book out there called "music producers" or something like that that came out in the early nineties. Anyway, there's an interview with Eddie and he comments about his work with Yes. There's even a picture of him with Rabin and Squire. Good read if you can find it.

Tom

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by blueclaw
I believe Eddie Offord had a hand in "Miracle of Life?" Though I'm not sure about his degree of input for the song. There's a producer book out there called "music producers" or something like that that came out in the early nineties. Anyway, there's an interview with Eddie and he comments about his work with Yes. There's even a picture of him with Rabin and Squire. Good read if you can find it.

Tom
Interesting very interesting. Though union is the only rabin album to feature a lot of clasic yes (the logo, the roger dean album cover, in the round, and eddie offord producing) I wonder what talk would have sounded like or big generator or 90125 for that matter had it been produce by Eddie Offord?

[blueclaw]

I would think the stuff probably would have sounded more Rabin-ish. I think he has the bigger ego! Eddie would have probably been too tired to battle out the egos! Trevor Horn's production is clearly delivered on 90125 and I believe he's the one who made "Owner" a hit. That reminds me ... check out a new book on Trevor Horn called "Pop Music-- Technology and Creativity: Trevor Horn and the Digital Revolution." I have to pick up a copy of this myself. It's supposed to have an in-depth analysis on the production of "Owner" as well as other stuff he produced. It's a bit expensive but I think it should be interesting whether your in the business or not.

Tom

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by blueclaw
I would think the stuff probably would have sounded more Rabin-ish. I think he has the bigger ego! Eddie would have probably been too tired to battle out the egos! Trevor Horn's production is clearly delivered on 90125 and I believe he's the one who made "Owner" a hit. That reminds me ... check out a new book on Trevor Horn called "Pop Music-- Technology and Creativity: Trevor Horn and the Digital Revolution." I have to pick up a copy of this myself. It's supposed to have an in-depth analysis on the production of "Owner" as well as other stuff he produced. It's a bit expensive but I think it should be interesting whether your in the business or not.

Tom
Interesting i wonder what claasic yes would sound like produced by rabin

[blueclaw]

Well, it wouldn't be classic that's for sure. Besides, wasn't Rabin in diapers during the Fragile times!

Tom

[ycantibu]

If memory serves me correctly, Rabin had actually had a #1 hit in South Africa at that time, with the Jethro Tull song "Locomotive Breath"!


Originally posted by blueclaw
Well, it wouldn't be classic that's for sure. Besides, wasn't Rabin in diapers during the Fragile times!

Tom

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by blueclaw
Well, it wouldn't be classic that's for sure. Besides, wasn't Rabin in diapers during the Fragile times!

Tom
No I mean the next album produced by trevor rabin (maybe more tormato orientated)

[the'YES'kid]

I've only heard 2 songs, "owner" & "changes" and both are amazing. i can't wait to buy it!

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by the'YES'kid
I've only heard 2 songs, "owner" & "changes" and both are amazing. i can't wait to buy it!
the great thing about the album is that it dismises the thought that Rabin did everything. True, a lot of the tunes he had the bulk of it completed but that isn't really new to yes music. Jon anderson claimes on YesYears "Relayer was the first time I walked in with a complete peice of music in my head which is gates of delirium I pounded away in front of the guys, on the piano and they must of thought I was this real complete idiot." Howe claimes To Be over started out a solo peice that was expanded on.
have a great day and remember Tony kaye, Alan white, Chris Squire, and Jon anderson contributed a lot to the yes music of the 80's

[bondegezou]

Originally posted by Rabin105
the great thing about the album is that it dismises the thought that Rabin did everything. True, a lot of the tunes he had the bulk of it completed but that isn't really new to yes music. Jon anderson claimes on YesYears "Relayer was the first time I walked in with a complete peice of music in my head which is gates of delirium [...]" Howe claimes To Be over started out a solo peice that was expanded on.

As with Rabin's work on _90124_, you can hear Howe's original demo for what became "To be Over" on _Homebrew 2_ (called "The Serpentine"), as well as other tracks that evolved into material on _Keys to Ascension_, _Keys to Ascension 2_, _Open Your Eyes_, _ABWH_ and _GTR_.

Henry

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by bondegezou
As with Rabin's work on _90124_, you can hear Howe's original demo for what became "To be Over" on _Homebrew 2_ (called "The Serpentine"), as well as other tracks that evolved into material on _Keys to Ascension_, _Keys to Ascension 2_, _Open Your Eyes_, _ABWH_ and _GTR_.

Henry
Very true. How is homebrew 1 and 2 are they any good. Oh one question what is going on with Brittney spears covering I've seen all good people I read on your site it was a joke and then two week later i read in an interview With Steve howe how it isn't a joke and she really want's to do it and has been in touch with the yes camp (I say as long as the next yes show I go to they don't do a duet Steve on "oops i did it again" scary and funny at the same time) any ways so what is the deal is she doing it or is she to busy with Madonna ;)

[bondegezou]

Originally posted by Rabin105
what is going on with Brittney spears covering I've seen all good people I read on your site it was a joke and then two week later i read in an interview With Steve howe how it isn't a joke and she really want's to do it and has been in touch with the yes camp

I'm not aware of this Steve Howe interview...? I think I recall one in which he mentioned it, but only as something he'd heard, which would only suggest he'd be fooled by the same hoax as the rest of us.

Henry

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by bondegezou
I'm not aware of this Steve Howe interview...? I think I recall one in which he mentioned it, but only as something he'd heard, which would only suggest he'd be fooled by the same hoax as the rest of us.

Henry
same interview as the one where he talks about Owner of a lonely heart. Which frankly i don't understand why he can't just play the solo on steel guitar. He mentions how chris is going nuts because he co wrote the tune. Why would he go nuts over a rumor. Plus I don't remeber where the interview is but there is one with Chris where said "I'm thrilled about it it is going to open new doors for yes music and hope fully it will be good" Jon said something simmilar to that but he claims her version is ver true to the orignal. Now I think both were in the spring of 03 and the winter of 02/03 so if you can find them good luck cause i spent an hour with no success. Now unles i dreamet it up whihch i don't think i did because if i did I'd be plyaing guitar on it :guitar: but who knows stranger things have happened

[blueclaw]

As far as the current Yes line-up goes I doubt there will be any Rabin-era songs. I'll be shocked if I heard "Owner." Let's face the facts. 1) Rabin is out of Yes permanently. 2) He'll never put out a solo album again. 3) He's too busy punching kangaroos, shooting gun-slingers and coping with 2 Arnolds.

Gotta luv the guy!

Tom

[Dragonfly]

Originally posted by Rabin105
I wonder what talk would have sounded like or big generator or 90125 for that matter had it been produce by Eddie Offord? I wonder what (all of) UNION would have sounded like with Trevor Horn producing!

That sounds like a better bet to me.

Dragonfly :fly:

[JudysTrevor]

Originally posted by blueclaw
As far as the current Yes line-up goes I doubt there will be any Rabin-era songs. I'll be shocked if I heard "Owner." Let's face the facts. 1) Rabin is out of Yes permanently. 2) He'll never put out a solo album again. 3) He's too busy punching kangaroos, shooting gun-slingers and coping with 2 Arnolds.

Gotta luv the guy!

Tom

Great post Tom!! Had a laugh. We'll have to see about Owner being played. They have played it since Trevor left. And, it is the one song everyone at a show would know. 1) I hope Trevor at some point returns to Yes. I'm a Rocker (friends nicknamed me that), so I do enjoy the Yes West by far. 2) Not holding my breath for a new solo album, but PRAYING very much!! 3) Don't forget the talking snowman and computerized shark!!
;)

Trevor has done well in his movies. I just wish he would break and do that solo album he has been thinking about doing for all of these years.

Judy
:guitar:

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by JudysTrevor
Great post Tom!! Had a laugh. We'll have to see about Owner being played. They have played it since Trevor left. And, it is the one song everyone at a show would know. 1) I hope Trevor at some point returns to Yes. I'm a Rocker (friends nicknamed me that), so I do enjoy the Yes West by far. 2) Not holding my breath for a new solo album, but PRAYING very much!! 3) Don't forget the talking snowman and computerized shark!!
;)

Trevor has done well in his movies. I just wish he would break and do that solo album he has been thinking about doing for all of these years.

Judy
:guitar:
First I agree :lol: that was funny post.
Now can they just ignore allt the albums post tormoto and pre magnification . Why not play Shock to the system or one of the keys tracks live rearrange homeworld for one guitar or play a medly of oye/ladder tunes. Why just block out this block of time as though it never happenedHeck why not just ask steve "okay listen to all of 90125, Big generatore adn talk and find a few tunes you like and wouldn't mind doing you can put as many howeisms in as you want just find a few Rabin tunes to play"ha can't possibly dislike all of those albums i mean there is a lot of clasic yes moments the guitar solo in endless dream for example, and Shoot High aim Low. The band can't over look 20 years of music (and jon really needs to start singing drama stuff). Of course I'd love to hear owner Of a lonely heart live i have a real personal connection tune plus it Rocks though I know i have a better chance with olsen twins then seeing yes play owner live esspecially since brislin has left the building (would of been nice if he stuck around for an album always nice to see fresh blood in yes), As far as rabin How many times as wakeman left and said he wasn't coming back I mean really next time he leave he should say "I'm leaving the group see you in a few years" ;) (Trevor'll be back :lol:) but just because owner isn't a possibility doesn't mean they should turn there back on 20 years of music (hey was 1984 the last time Sweet Dreams was played live)

Mac

[blueclaw]

Thanks for the remarks.

As far as new material Rabin might have in his harddrive ... I think the closest are tracks from the soundtracks Rockstar and that western-flick Outlaw something. There's one on Rockstar that has a snippet of his vocal on a semi-acoustic number. The Outlaw soundtrack has mainly some gtr work and orchestral stuff. Though I haven't bought all his soundtracks (honestly I think they all sound the same) I think these might represent any solo outings.

I think for him to stop film scoring and focusing on an album might drop him out of the game of film composers. It's a really competitive field and if he drops out for a year or two he could find trouble getting work. I noticed also the recent films he's been working on have been smaller compared to Armageddon. Obviously not due to his music but the concept of the film in all. I think it's much easier to stay home and compose than tour and sleep in hotels. I mean the guy is about 50, right?

If I were him I would put out a collection of songs on CD for a small label like Voiceprint and do a few dates in between film scoring.

Tom

[Rabin105]

A few dates i'd go and see him live :guitar:

[JudysTrevor]

<<I think for him to stop film scoring and focusing on an album might drop him out of the game of film composers. It's a really competitive field and if he drops out for a year or two he could find trouble getting work. I noticed also the recent films he's been working on have been smaller compared to Armageddon. Obviously not due to his music but the concept of the film in all. I think it's much easier to stay home and compose than tour and sleep in hotels. I mean the guy is about 50, right? >>

I agree he shouldn't stop film scoring for a long time. Take a few months off (maybe a year) and complete a solo album. I'm sure Trevor does like staying at home now, to be with his family. But, touring is in his blood. So, it does surprise me he hasn't done anything since he left Yes. 50 too old!!! NOT!!! Look at the bands that are out there today touring. I think the 50 year old bands out weight the 20-30 year old bands. Now is a great time for an "older" bands to get back out there and tour. It's a GREAT time for Rock N' Roll!! ;)

<<If I were him I would put out a collection of songs on CD for a small label like Voiceprint and do a few dates in between film scoring. >>

I agree!! ;) From Mike's interview a year ago, he was ready to do a solo album and had the material. It shouldn't take all that long to record (he may even have songs recorded already), but may have to add those drums!! ;) He just has to learn to stop taking scores!!

Judy :guitar:

[1yesfan]

Get this album folks. If you like Yeswest at all this is one you should have. It has some odd stuff but some gems also. Miracle of Life is what SHOULD have been done on the album.

[Rabin105]

I will ask for it for christmas