Relayer Remaster (Atlantic)

[Dantalion Rides Again]

I resisted the Atlantic Remaster for a while, mainly because the artwork was so drastically altered. I like what they did with Tales for the most part, but this one was too different. Plus I knew I could get the Japanese 'record sleeve' release eventually [whenever I feel like dropping the $ on it, that is]. And I have the record too.

But I did get it today. I had a credit with BMG, so I figured what the hey. ['Course I'm about to do some mild complaining, so maybe I shouldn't have figured 'what the hey.' They had other stuff I could have gotten . . . ]

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Does anyone else feel that they should have done it differently? I love the new Dean painting with the fly . . . but other than that, the new layout doesn't seem to improve anything. I don't care for the pattern on the disc & back cover. I'd really prefer to see the LP label! I suppose it's a better looking disc & booklet than the original Atlantic CD, but I do like the back (tray card) of the old one better.

Also, there are a couple typos in the lyrics: In "Sound Chaser" it says "new fruition" instead of "true fruition." Also in "The Gates of Delirium" the word 'friction' is spelled with two n's ["frictionn"].

Another thing I've noticed about these remasters is the way they've printed the lyrics. I wonder if they could have chosen a different font size to keep the lines unbroken! The whole look of the lyrics changes when you break lines up, you know? The stanzas just don't look right.

[CTTE had a great hand-written caligraphy font on the vinyl that I miss. Well, I still have the album so I don't actually miss it. :D]

Another lyric layout mistake: the little icons that come after the titles of TFTO - they put the same icon for two of the songs and left one off entirely (I think they duplicated the RSOG icon after Ritual or something) . . . Maybe I should make a new thread about that Atlantic remaster in the Tales forum??

Anyway, what'd you all think of the Relayer Remaster? You'll probably tell me I should have waited for Rhino! :rolleyes: You're probably right too.

[RobAdams]

I'm sure that in August when the next batch of YES remasters appears RELAYER will finally exist on CD the way it should have. I would have waited until August instead of going Atlantic. Especially since the Atlantic "remaster" still has lots of distortion, and GATES fades prematurely.

In August you should pass the Atlantic version on to someone else!

[Dantalion Rides Again]

Good idea! I haven't listened to it yet, so I didn't know it didn't sound right either. Friend of mine tells me "Machine Messiah" has distortion on the Drama Atlantic remaster too.

[RobAdams]

Don't feel too bad about it. Not long ago I bought the Atlantic versions of YES, TALES and FRAGILE, even though I knew the Rhino remasters were coming. SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO WAIT! And my sister gets the old ones from me as I get updated!

[leqin]

Actually - not only is that a bad typo on the part of Atlantic with the remaster, but they also got the original issues line of lyric completely wrong - listen to 'Sound Chaser' just a little more closely and preferably use some high quality monitoring headphones because what is sung there happens to be

Who encounters spark of true fruition

Back in 1974, when Atlantic released Relayer the cover said that the lyrics at that point are

New encounters spark a true fruition

and then when they remasterd it they had it printed as below

New encounters spark a new fruition

Listen and listen carefully - actually if you want I can send you that area of the song with the volume boosted by 3 decibals and that makes it very very obvious that they sing

Who encounters spark of true fruition

On the album that is what is sung, however in concert I think you will find that they sang 'New' instead of 'Who' on that line of lyric. I know that 'New'is sung on the Roosevelt Stadium 6-17-1976 weed and it could be the same elsewhere, but not on the album and on the album they sing 'Who'

this was another post by LeQiN - the worlds foremost expert in what Yes actually sing and not what record companys print that they sing

[Dantalion Rides Again]

RobAdams: My sister got my old Yes CDs too! :thumbs: That's too funny. She actually keeps the original Atlantic Relayer I gave her in the car (of all things!). In fact, my brother got all my Beatles CDs. That was because I just found myself putting the records on instead. Lucky siblings.

leqin: I'll have to listen closely to that 'who' vs. 'new' line. I'm sure you're right! I'll also check the Relayer tour. I'm gonna go hunting for a show with all of Relayer.

[leqin]

Originally posted by Dantalion Rides Again
leqin: I'll have to listen closely to that 'who' vs. 'new' line. I'm sure you're right! I'll also check the Relayer tour. I'm gonna go hunting for a show with all of Relayer.

I know I'm right - live I know for sure they sang 'New' and I think they always did, but on Relayer they sing 'Who' and actually if you rip the CD to wave files and then load Sound Chaser up inside a wave editor you can isolate that point in the song and they actually sing the words when a dip in the instrumentation is present, so it isn't as if your miss hearing the word NEW in some way and only hearing the W part clearly - they don't sing NE and they very definatly sing WHO - hey and there are lots of Yes lyrics that aren't printed correctly and I have good hearing and I am amazed at times they don't get them sorted properly before albums are released.

[RobAdams]

Another reason that lyrics get misprinted? Sometimes the song changes a bit during the recording. A lyric change may occur while a band is recording a song, yet the record company involved, unaware of the change, may print the lyrics as they were originally published.

Not that this is the case for SOUND CHASER, but it does happen.

[Dantalion Rides Again]

Originally posted by leqin
and there are lots of Yes lyrics that aren't printed correctly and I have good hearing and I am amazed at times they don't get them sorted properly before albums are released

I know it . . . what's the point in printing lyrics if they're wrong? You might as well make a guess instead of reading them!!

It's especially baffling when the whole point of a remaster is to correct what was wrong with the previous issue.

Anyone see any other noteworthy differences with this release? Rob, does the premature Gates fade resemble the weird white noise fade on the previous CD release?

Anyone know any history on the fly painting? Is it new?

[leqin]

So far as ‘Sound Chaser’ is concerned the lyrics that are actually sung on the original album released in 1974 are as follows. Words that appear in red or letters that appear in red are corrections based on what you can hear if you listen both carefully and with high quality equipment

So – in the first line of lyric a ‘S’ is sung, but not printed in the word ‘moment’, so it becomes ‘moments’
In the sixth line the word ‘Who’ is sung and not ‘New’ and ‘Of’ is sung and not ‘A’
And on the last line of lyric Jon doesn’t finish off with the word ‘Eyes’ because he doesn’t sing the S sound and sings ‘Eye’ instead

Sound Chaser
Jon Anderson, Steve Howe, Patrick Moraz, Chris Squire and Alan White

Faster moments spent spread tales of change within the sound
Counting form through rhythm electric freedom
Moves to counterbalance stars expound our conscience
All to know and see the look in your eyes

Passing time will reach as nature relays to set the scene
Who encounters spark of true fruition
Guiding lines we touch them, our bodies balance out the waves
As we accelerate our days to the look in your eyes

From the moment I reached out to hold, I felt a sound
And what touches our soul slowly moves as touch rebounds
And to know that tempo will continue
Lost in trance of dances as rhythm takes another turn
As is my want, I only reach to look in your eye

Actually - go over to the Longest Yes Song thread and see how many times I use lyrics that detour from those that are printed, because I have audio equipment of such high quality that I know which words are actually sung and how the printed lyrics deviate, I always type in what you really hear and so far not one persons pointed out at any time when I have used lyrics that don't appear on the covers or in CD inserts and the reason for that is quite simple.

The human brain is a very discriminating device, even when listening on audio equipment of lower quality. The brain knows what you hear, so even though the printed lyrics detour from what I have typed in nobody will note the fact that what I typed isn’t what is printed because subconsciously they know that what I typed in is what they have in fact heard – even when the music is very loud and some lyrics are partly smothered by the sound of instruments within the mix, the brain can still resolve what you are in fact hearing sung – it can even patch in small parts of missing sound between letters that you can hear and resolve what word was sung.

Over in the Longest Yes Song Thread nobodies said a word about how many times I have detoured from what is printed, because they read what I typed and their brain says well that’s what I heard – and that’s exactly what they heard, because it is exactly what was sung.

LeQiN – who wonders if Rhino have a position open for a Yes lyric editor who knows what they sung and not what Atlantic printed

[Purple Wolfhound]

Originally posted by Dantalion Rides Again
[CTTE had a great hand-written caligraphy font on the vinyl that I miss. Well, I still have the album so I don't actually miss it. :D]


I totally agree Dantalion - beautiful calligraphy! I still have the album also - just a fine piece of artwork. That, along with the Led Zeppelin Untitled album's* inner sleeve typography influenced my own handwriting styles immensely.

Peace,

Phil

* -which I still have also! Fragile though it is, like some musty old manuscript...

[Dantalion Rides Again]

I once bought an extra copy of CTTE vinyl so I could take it apart and make a big wall poster of it. Front and back covers at the top, gatefold in the middle, lyrics at the bottom. Made a big beautiful 6 panel Close to the Edge poster.

Actually I still have that record and I taped up the gatefold part to use as the cover - so that weird waterfall painting serves as the album cover for one of my CTTE records. Kind of cool looking too.