This Storm, This Love, Electrify...

[olhach]

Dear Yesfans friends

This Storm
This Love
Electrify

All we Love Jon, and all we know that Jon is Love...
By Jon all path lead us to Love...
And we are living a time to BUILD BRIDGES

"Now we build the bridges that we walk upon
Now we breathe the peace that connect us (us)
Speaking with the voice of understanding
Singing in the rhythmic science of the sky
The Earth is waiting for a season change
To set the role of cross-culture wisdom"

All we know that Jon have a strong connection with TOLTEC/MAIA knowledge...
- Tales from Topographic Oceans: XAMAN !!! (When Roger Dean made the cover paint, the only Jon exigence was included the Maia temple call "CHICHEN ITZA" with Sun from behind...)
- Holy Lamb - Song from Harmonic Convergence.
- ABWH - In The Big Dream: ALL SECOND ATTENTION !!!
- Journey to Ixtlan: Page of Life - Jon and Vangelis. and, of course...:

- TOLTEC: The Power of Silence...

I study the TZOLKIN: The Sacred Maia Calendar, and Jon Anderson was born in 10/25/1944, The oracle of this day is:
http://www.tortuga.com/cgi-bin/findkin_quick.pl?month=10&year=1944&day=25
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Some curiositys:
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- Is very interesting that, the DOG, the Love Tzolkin sign (Jon's sign) is considered the STORM and LIGHTNING animal in Maia mythology. And Jon talk about this connection in Quick Words - Toltec
"This Storm
This Love
Electrify"
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- See what Jon say about storms during last tour: July, 2002 - YES 2002 TOUR - PART 3: "Lightning and thunder are just the best wake up call, Janeee and me scream out when we see it happen. Last night at midnight, there it was, over our hotel here in Cuyahoga Falls. Excellent stuff the power of the earth..."

August, 2002 - YES 2002 TOUR - PART 4 : "On to Texas... very BIG Texas... very rainy. Janeee and me saw these beautiful eagles last night, 2 of them circling above us. We are at this place called The Woodlands for a gig, should be great. We've become lovers of thunder and lightning. We've started wishing for it, we don't get that much where we live, so it's so special for us...

August, 2002 - YES 2002 TOUR - PART 5: "Thunder and lightning again, so cool, so powerful...
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- In Maia language Jon's birthdate is call: " OC CAN ", when...

OC: LOVE
CAN: FOUR (The number of meter, definition, form)

So, OC CAN is like to say LOVE SHAPER...

REALLY BY JON ALL PATH LEAD US TO LOVE...

O PIONIAN
C HANT
For All.

Olhach.

[ycantibu]

Huh? I'm lost.

[Dances w/PURPLE]

Maia?

I have not heard of this.

[olhach]

Sorry because I write Maia in Portuguese and no MAYA...
Know more about Mayas in:
http://www.mayadiscovery.com/ing/archaeology/default.htm
Love for All.
Olhach.

[upbgirl]

you are very astute in your observatrions, olhach. i had never thought of the 'big dream' as all taking place in the second attention.
and i had NO clue that 'journey to ixtlan' was a song {?} by jon and vangelis?? do tell? guess i dont have THAT cd!
i read a series of books, and the ttle of one was 'journey to ixtlan'..

i believe olhach is referring to the ancient mayan civilation, and thier 'spiritual' practices. and i think the 'toltecs' were the race BEFORE the mayans.

koko would know about some of this stuff. he is still in 'yestopia' i am sure, and smiling happily.. he might have done some 'second attention' time himself recently..


i DID notice the resemblance on the 'tales' cover of the temple you talk about, tho.
and 'love shaper' isnt a bad description of jon, i think!:D

your english is very good! interesting ideas..

[Andersonic]

Carlos Castaneda wrote 'Journey to Ixtlan' I believe... 'Toltec' was recorded first as 'The Power Of silence' which is another book by Carlos Castaseda. The song is on Jon Vangelis 'Page Of Life' album. The second edition, re-arranged by Jon is the version we Yesfans want...

[leqin]

Well that could be easily misunderstood by anybody foolish enough to read a little bit to much into it - to quote from the page that olhach linked to "I am guided by the power of Death".

As the resident astrologer I can tell you that Jons horror scope features no less than 8 planets and or points within his 9th house. The 9th is associated with death, if you look at it in ye olde world way - but also sex and occult forces such as astrology itself. I would maintain that what you need to keep in mind is that Jon is one of those lucky kinda people who managed to be born with his Sun in the 9th - Jons Sun is conjunct his midheaven, so he truelly is a special kind of a guy.

To be guided by the power of death really ought to be seen as being capable of seeing that love survives death, because death is not a power and love is. I just thought it best to point that out before anybody jumped in to reach ill informed conclusions based upon not very extensive study and a few words from a web page. Jon - as I think I have already pointed out on this site - would and indeed is quite a good astrologer, but the way that Jon expresses that side of his personality is through words. As an astrologer I had always been puzzled why it was that Jons lyrics were littered with all sorts of astrological symbology and turns of phrase, but learning his time of birth allowed me to cast a very accurate horoscope and that brought to light why so many of the lyrics he writes use those forms of phrasing and associations.

[upbgirl]

let olhach have some fun, man! as far as interpreting huge things from small tidbits, isnt that *kind of* what astrology is about? just my own opinion, altho i know some DO take it personally and abide by every event taking place in the vast heavens..arent WE allowed to be foolish, too? :D after all, he IS from brazil and i will assume english is a second language. i, for one, am glad to see someone thinking deeply about ANYTHING these days. and we TRY to welcome new members here. even if we dont agree with them, right? and for the record, sometimes i am certain the bible can be interpreted in almost any manner one sees fit. sort of like a horoscope..[oh oh-here is comes..lol! :meteo2: ]

[B]"I am guided by the power of Death".

i think your interpretation of this thought is very nice, but i DID read journey to ixtlan several times myself, and that isnt what I got from the above statement.
to me,it means 'using death as an advisor'.. if you are worried or feeling of ill will, and this was your 'last minute on earth' [excellent flower kings song, by the way] would you REALLY feel as strongly about what is bothering you right now? it helps ME put petty, mundane things in order of priority. that statement alone, changed the way i think on a daily basis. [kind of morbid-i agree-but HEY! whatever works, right?]
as for jon's lyrics.. even he, HIMSELF has admitted he sometimes uses 'foolish' sounding 'words' just because they SOUND GOOD in the song-he says some of them mean NOTHING..

and thanx for the tip on the vangelis/jon album, andersonic! looks like i've got another 'want' to add to my music list! and are you finally returning to earth after your little 'yestopia' adventure?:D

[leqin]

actually I didn't intend my little missive for olhach because he came across as someone quite in touch enough not to reach such a silly conclusion. My pointing out in the way I did was intended for those who read things like that short and misguided group of words and take them to mean only one thing... I am the astrologer and your the lady who plays golf with doggy doo ;) and if there is anything that I have learned then it is that many people do draw very misguided conclusions from spiritual things of one sort or another - hey I did it myself once and I openly admit it.

I think we would all agree that Jon is a very kind and very love-ing human being and would hate myself if I let another person draw the conclusion that Jons got some wicked and nasty side to his nature. Yes he can be a bossy boots and he's got a temper, but I have done his astrology and so far as being a human being goes Jon is more like what would be termed a bodisattva - a highly enlightened individual who is motivated by love and compassion and most definatly not a hippy Eminem

[upbgirl]

really. leqin?? hhmm..

Originally posted by leqin
I am the astrologer and your the lady who plays golf with doggy doo ;)

sometimes i am overly sensitive, i will freely admit, BUT, it seems to me [in spite of the nice winking dude] that the above comment *might* be misconstrued by *some* to mean that since you are an *astrologer* and i just 'play golf with doggy doo' that perhaps you *might* think you have a more 'valid' opinion than me..is this so?
[hard to tell when 'reading' and not 'conversing' and i just want to make certain that you are not saying anything that i am 'feeling' like i am 'hearing'..]



[/QUOTE]and if there is anything that I have learned then it is that many people do draw very misguided conclusions from spiritual things of one sort or another - hey I did it myself once and I openly admit it.
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only once? really? man, i have been wrong PLENTY of times in my own interpretations, and have adjusted my thoughts carefully because i HAVE been wrong.. not a hard thing to do, for me-admit i am wrong. it is howe most people learn.. make mistakes..[my husband and i have both been teachers for a very long time]
and as for each individuals 'spiritual interpretations', they should be just THAT.. an 'individuals' OWN process of learning.. we cant all be as 'evolved' as everyone else, but as long as we each continue our quest for greater enlightenment, then who gives a rats rosey behind [or a hocky stick full of dog poo] HOW people reach thier own conclusions? isnt that what is is about?

and if memory serves me correctly, leqin..astrology was once [and still is in many, MANY cases] deemed as 'subject to interpretation of the individual' as well as some of the stories, ideas and morals of the bible, too. to each his or her or it's own, i say..
as long as one acknowledges that the road to enlightenment has to be travleled solo for each to REALLY KNOW, then it's all good.

it's a life-long process.. that means essentially, that we might NEVER arrive, but as long as we are still looking and OPEN MINDED, then THAT just might be the true purpose, after all..

[leqin]

Sorry upbgirl - bad day today and the sort of the seriously unfunny kind, so forgive my inappropriate words and use of smillys.

Had I known or even realised that somebody would correct me over something that I know more about then I would have just kept my mouth shut. In future - if something is mistaken and unwise and misguided then I will refrain for telling anybody that it is so.

[olhach]

"YOU SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE" Brother of Mine - Jon Anderson

Please see what I feel about Jon in my link in Yesfans Art... Image without words...

http://www.yesfans.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7126

Real Love for all.
Olhach

[olhach]

To talk about Jon without know and understand the essence of TOLTEC is precipitacion...
See the importance that Jon give to Toltec:
http://jonanderson.com/life.html

"This is really a true part of my existence. I love every moment on this CD!"

Longwalker Speaks.(Except from Toltec).

The rattle is a voice given to us by Mother Earth
She can't talk to us like we talk in a voice
So we have to create a voice for her
That the people will hear.
So who did we go to?
We didn't have the knowledge
As humans
Because we're limited as to our abilities in the spiritual world
But because Mother Earth deals with life and deadh every second that the clock goes around. That she's so familiar.
That we take the elements
How do we get them?
We have to go to the thing live
So we go to an ant hill
And there's a ceremony and there's song
There's prayer that go with it
And we ask the ants for help
And in asking them fot this help
They bring us stones
From where ever they collect them
We don't ask them where
It's enough that they bring them to us
We collect these stones
And we put them in these rattles
And, uh, fifty-two of them
Each one is a voice from the past
And the people say
"Man, they laugh at that"
And I say
"Laugh if you want, but, listen...
While you're making fun, open one ear
To reality.
Let the other one be happy, and destructive"

So, the stones that the ants bring
When we lay our people to rest in the natural way
Not in a coffin, but in a natural way
The little creapers and crawlers come
And they distribute our body
Evenly, back into Mother Earth

We become one with her
We become productive
See...UH...We're using
We never leave
We go back to the Earth
And "dust to dust" they say
In due time
We're blown into the atmosfere
We come down in rain and snow
And this rain and snow is absorved
By all creation again

It goes into the water
We're drinking it again
We're eating it again
We become productive

So how can man not save our own brothers with creation?
We are just one massive cell
With so much energy and beauty
That the short time on the physical form
It's such a sin, a waste to tie it up in all the destruction

This is the voice that is going into each little stone
We put in that rattle
All this Power, Knowledge, Energy
Then...
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In materialist perpective the deadh is the end. And fear of death is the master fear of this materialis civilization.
"in a world where the pain is the fear".
The Toltec call Deadh the "ENLACEMENT OR WORLDS" and in this perspective deadh is a Power...
In Tzolkin, to be guided by Power of Death, is to be guided by the Power Of Understanding that END is a ILUSION, and fear of a ilusion is unreality.
The central Power of Love be guided by Power of Death "Enlacement of Worlds" is a afirmation that the Power of Love is ETERNAL because transpose, to cross over, the limits of fear, the limits or end ilusion.

"As in death you can climb
Higher thru the sky
Show your wings
Surely you can fly"

Mr. Leqin. To more elucidations about this matter you can send yours comments to Dr. José Argüelles, the best authority about Tzolkin contemporany study, a personal friend of Jon Anderson. (Holy Lamb was realized to celebrate The Harmonic Convergence, a pacifist event idealized by Dr. Argüelles in 1987).
To judge a oracle of a strange culture without throw off our own culture conditionaments is a primary mistake, attesting xenophobia, and this feeling is totally incompatible to people that love Jon.
A great unificator of several cultures.
Peace is to respect the differences...
Building Bridges, because:

"The earth is waiting for a season chance
To set the role of cross-culture wisdow"

Love, Peace and Forgiveness.
Olhach.

[Dakini]

olhach,
welcome to the board! and thank you so much for those thoughts about Jon in reguard to the Toltec and Mayans. Jon has had an interest in both of those. I know he has personally met with Jose Arguelles author of the Mayan Factor and many more books. Jose was also the man who started the harmonic convergence. I can see why Jon would be drawn to him. At Yescapade at Konocti last year another "dog" and myself, spectral seed, presented Jon with a Telektenon kit and a new 13moon calendar. It was great!
Jon knew right away it was Jose's. We decoded the whole band and gave them each a packet with the info in it. Would love to see Jon support the 13moon calendar change of 2004! His good friend Kitaro does!!! How was the Day out of Time celebrations in Brazille?? fourdog, Tim and I went to town and activated people and passed out new calendars. We also made art. Let me know if you are involved in the calendar change. In lak'ech dakini (yellow spectral seed)

[Dances w/PURPLE]

Originally posted by Dakini
[B]We also made art. /B]



Would love to see it!

[Dakini]

hey there purple! well the art we made is gone.....we drew out glyphs, and a beautiful hunab ku and also lots of hand written info on the 13moon calendar change. It was on a banner size paper and we left it for everyone to read and share. if you are interested in the calendar change and what it's all about you can go to www.tortuga.com
you can also decode yourself there and find your galactic signature. there is a wealth of info at that site with lots of downloadable files including calendars. there are also interviews with Jose you can listen to.
so many things are linking up with this world of ours. It's really very moving, very exciting and I am loving it. there are so many rivers that flow to the sea....this one in particular is setting me free.
in lak'ech! dakini

"If a calendar does not increase synchronization, it is not performing its highest function. This is the fundamental critique of the Gregorian calendar. It must be unequivocally understood that an irregular standard of measure has a profound effect on the mind, especially an irregular standard of measure of time. This is because time is a mentally perceived phenomenon unlike space which is perceived through the senses. Our sense of time is a fundamental perception. If the standard of measure that we use is irregular, then we must contemplate deeply what this does to our mind over centuries of prolonged use."
Jose Arguelles - Valum Votan

[Koko]

Originally posted by leqin
.. I am the astrologer


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I assume you are speaking of Astrology based on the Gregorian Calendar......

perhaps it might be of interest to know 'how' the Gregorian (Calendar) Time system came to be.....
In what - those who live by the Gregorian Calendar- call the mid 12th Century, King Charlamagne received a 'Gift' from a Mathmatician & Scientist...this gift was a 'Mechanical Device' for measuring / dividing 'A Day' into sections....this in essence was the first 'clock'......King Charlamagne...gave the 'gift'...to a travelling - Monk/Priest....and records have it that he expressed to the Monk something along the lines .....I have no use for something like this..it has no Soul......(speaks volumes really!)...anyway
this device was taken by the monk to the head of his order and it is from this that time became a 'commodity'....you know the saying 'Time is Money'...well without artificial devices to measure time...we would (I believe!) not be in the mess we find ourselves today!...
Prior to this device being 'adopted' and 'Used' to manipulate
the days and the Seasons' and so the Human race itself....time was perceived Very differently.....
Many of the peoples were headed by the Matriarchs...the 'Wise Women'....why?..one of the reasons was because the women were more closely (physically linked) to the 'Natural Way Of Things'...(ie) The Lunar Phases....(Menstrual Cycles)...(Okay...so men have their own 'relationship' with the Lunar Cycles..both 'energetically and Homonally'...anyway the women were often the Healers/Medicine Keepers/Shamans ....having the Knowing of Herb Law/Child Birth/Divination/ Healing.... there were also peoples where the men were on equal footing....but...when
Rome came to power....(I'm talking about the Roman Catholic Religion/Vatican here!)...and the Pope sent forth the 'Inquisition'....to test the truth of the peoples beliefs...(ie - subjugate them by Fear ) - they needed to usurp the power from the hands of the Wise Ones
the Medicine Women...(ie) The Witches....now the word 'Witch' is derived from Wit (origins being Germanic)...which in turn meant Wise One. One of Power.....so what did they do...they 'tortured and Killed all the Witches'....there is an amazing song sung by (though not composed by) Christy Moore...called "Burning Times"...that tells of this Horrendous Holocaust of 9 million 'Women' in Europe.
They (the pope and the church of Rome aligned the word Witch with Satan, Evil the Devil etc....hence it is now so (Wrongly...and perhaps irreparably(sp?)...loaded with Negative Connotations that the mere mention of the word Witch...creates a Negative Image/Response in most individuals...
The reason I say all this is because...it wasn't just the Celtic Clans and Druidic peoples who followed the Lunar Cycles
(also known as 1320 time - by some 2013 time there being 13 phases of 20 days Lunar within a 'Natural Year' (ie) "The Four Seasons"...hence the "Importance of the yeard 2013!! Yes this is the BIG ONE!...when all kinds of Energetic Shifts and Changes will occur within our Galaxy (and others!?)...and the 'Alignment of The Planets - especially within our own Solar System)..).....but also many other Aboriginal Cultures...the Aztecs.....the Mayans.....even the those peoples who occupied China /Asia/Tibet......and yes there is loads of proof for this.....

When Jon Anderson refers to/sings of Toltequity and Castenada...on his Album "Toltec"......he is somewhat 'off target'...about some of his facts...and what he says is not entirely accurate.....it would seem that his 'perceptions' about Toltecs - Tolequity...and of Castenada have overlapped/become tangled(I guess because he has some information/ experience and has been influenced by these teachings...but they are incomplete....because "Toltequity" is a "Body of 'Knowledge" ..(.everyday practises) of a very, very ancient people....of which Castenada's Ways of Learning...(those things he speaks of in his books) were but a mere fraction...Castenada's Books only 'Scratched the Surface'.....of what is a VAST BODY OF KNOWLEDGE.....part of which is 1320 / 2013 time.....also many consider the Castenada 'Representation' to be somewhat 'Dark'...and not 'Representative' of the Truth of Toltequity...which is ALL About BEAUTY...and Living one's Life In a Balanced Way....in Balance with our Mother Earth...this is not evident in many of Castenada's stories/descriptions....Don Juan ....IS obviously a man of Great Compassion/Heart and BEAUTY....it is how Castenada has 'reported' his version of things
that seems to 'sadly miss this'...mind you having undergine the experiences that he does under the tutelage of Don Juan (and Don Genaro).....it's hard to guess how another might perceive existence...
Jose Arguelles..(who is a Very nice affable chap/human being by the way ) and wise beyond his years....I was speaking with him last year and he talked about 'Oxygen being the atmosphere of the body and Time being the atmosphere of the Mind!....So Coool!)....has given Great Insight into many aspects of the Mystery of the Teachings/ Wisdom of the Mayan calendar....and The Tzolkin.....BUT..his insights are but one of many 'interpretations of something that is beyond the whole grasp of any mortal being (human)....
There are a number of Toltec and Mayan Elders (and they are DIRECT Descendents from the (still hidden) Toltec and Mayan Tribes/Clans - who are living examples of "Toltequity"..and they are sharing their knowledge and Wisdom and Beauty...of Tolequity and Mayan Cosmology..but they have quite differing views/interpreatations to Jose (and Lloydine) Arguelles mind you the differing views revolve around the Calendars...and the occurence(s) of certain things within the various Calendars.......the thing is as Jose Arguelles readily explains - he is 'simply(???)' channelling all of what he imparts from 'spirit' ..from his guides/teachers or whoever he is working with. So it is the human part of the equation that does the tonal/physical expression of what's given, which is why there are differing views/interpreatations of something as old as 'Life'.

So perhaps it is a little unwise to take what Jon Anderson or Jose Arguelles impart/express as 'The Absolute Truth'...though they are both 'articulate' well intentioned people doing their very best as we all do...or try to..

Which brings me back to the Gregorian Calendar....it easy therefore to see how it is an Artificially manufactured system used to represent Time ...which is why it has 'man'ufactured periods of time (months) with 30 days ...others of 31 even one that is 28 for 3 'years'...and 29 days every fourth year....all to make it fit in with the great money/power machine....(9 to 5!!)

So to construct an Astrological Map/forecast based on this
"Soul less" system.....of 365/366 days etc etc....is seen by some as being somewhat redundant and artificial in and of itself...especially when you realise there are 'Multi- Astrologers' like Anton Corjnblum working with Astrology from/within the Mayan Calendar

If only the Collective/Populace knew.....sadly 99.9% have all been hood winked by the religious Orders/Money/Power Institutions.....what can be more Evil than to wield power of another/others.....still that's religion/politics for you.




In La Kech

Koko (another DOG!......Yes there are Lots of us About!)


ps: WELCOME OLHACH !! Good to have you here!. :clap:

: )

[Dakini]

Koko thanks for sharing all that!!! would love to bend your ear sometime. or you can bend mine anytime! swimming in lak'ech!
dakini