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SunWater
04-02-2011, 12:55 PM
Oliver surpassed his dad this year for continuous years with Yes.
2008-2011 makes 4 years in a row with the band. Father Rick has only ever made it to 3 years: 1972-1974, 1977-1979, and 2002-2004.

The record for continuous years is held by Tony Kaye, of course, at 12 years from 1983-1994. Kaye also had a 4-year stint in the beginning from 1968-1971

Khoroshev, 4 years, 1997-2000
Moraz - 3 years, 1974-1976
Downes - 1 year, 1980
Brislin - 1 year, 2001
Sherwood - 1 year, 1998

You could also add Rabin in there for the '90125' and 'Talk' albums.

Now Downes again, 2011-???

yesyadda
04-02-2011, 08:41 PM
LOL, I never thought of it like that.

kirklott
04-02-2011, 10:38 PM
Your math is off, on most of these. 2008 to 2011 is 3 years, since he joined spring 2008, and apparently is leaving Spring 2011. 11 minus 8 is 3. Same with most others.

As for Kaye, he actually left a few times during the YesWest years...

yesfannh
04-02-2011, 11:04 PM
Your math is off, on most of these. 2008 to 2011 is 3 years, since he joined spring 2008, and apparently is leaving Spring 2011. 11 minus 8 is 3. Same with most others.

As for Kaye, he actually left a few times during the YesWest years...

You have the winning lottery numbers for tonight by any chance Kirky?

SunWater
04-03-2011, 03:11 AM
Your math is off, on most of these. 2008 to 2011 is 3 years, since he joined spring 2008, and apparently is leaving Spring 2011. 11 minus 8 is 3. Same with most others.

As for Kaye, he actually left a few times during the YesWest years...
Um, Sir, let's count them together:

2008 - 1 year
2009 - 2 years
2010 - 3 years
2011 - 4 years

Those are 4 years in which Oliver was in Yes. "11 minus 8" infers that you do not include the "8", but obviously Oliver was there for the "8".
Perhaps you might understand it better if it were said that Oliver is in his 4th continuous calendar year with the band. His father Rick never made it to 4 continuous calendar years.

Regarding Tony Kaye, I am aware of his "situations" with the band during YesWest, but the point is that there was nothing done under the Yes moniker from 1983 to 1994 that did not include either his playing or name as a member of the band.

someguysteve
04-03-2011, 03:28 AM
Ahooga - ahooga

I worked in Palm Desert from 2005 till 2008 but thats only three years... It would be four years if I started at 8am on Jan 1st, 2005 and continued to work till 10 pm on December 31st, 2008, that's four full years. But I didn't.

Butadut-duh-da

SunWater
04-03-2011, 11:27 AM
Ahooga - ahooga

I worked in Palm Desert from 2005 till 2008 but thats only three years... It would be four years if I started at 8am on Jan 1st, 2005 and continued to work till 10 pm on December 31st, 2008, that's four full years. But I didn't.

Butadut-duh-da
But you worked there during 4 continuous calendar years:

2005 - 1
2006 - 2
2007 - 3
2008 - 4

Yes.2
04-03-2011, 01:27 PM
Interesting.

allen toth
04-03-2011, 01:43 PM
All serious Year counts aside, is Oliver's Dad proud of him for this achievement?

Paul Allen
04-03-2011, 05:15 PM
Say what you will about Tony Kaye, but he always shows up for work.

SunshipVoyager
04-03-2011, 06:44 PM
Not that the length of time any of these musicians played with Yes really has anything to do with their actual musical impact on the material or the band's style, it is interesting to note that the sessions for "Fragile" were completed in sessions in late 1971 (it was released in January, 1972), meaning that Papa Wakeman was actually playing in the band during 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1974- four continuous years.

I appreciate Oliver's time with Yes and am sorry we likely aren't going to hear what his contributions to a studio album would sound like, but Tony's long stand in the group (despite my loving his roar on the hammond organ) certainly dosen't mean his musical vision shaped Yes more than Papa Wakeman or Rabin- in fact even though Rabin was the lead guitarist, his huge contribution to the 1980's material (both writing and playing most of the keys in the studio) means he actually impacted Yes waaaaay more than Moraz, Kaye, Brislin, Khoroshev and Downes combined.... not that I am really pro or con on that, but "facts is facts" as the 1950's era Los Angeles Police Department would say.

flatopfreak
04-03-2011, 06:59 PM
Your math is off, on most of these. 2008 to 2011 is 3 years, since he joined spring 2008, and apparently is leaving Spring 2011. 11 minus 8 is 3. Same with most others.

As for Kaye, he actually left a few times during the YesWest years...

The OP must be using that new math the schools teach. Oliver was in Yes, at most, three years and a month (assuming Monday is his last show).

I don't remember when it was announced he was replacing his father, but if it was March 1, 2008 and he leaves April 4, 2011, that is three years, one month, and three days.

SunshipVoyager
04-03-2011, 07:28 PM
I think we can all agree that 2008-2009 is one year, 2009-2010 is two years, 2010 to 2011 is three years... meaning Oliver's exact length of "service" in Yes was three years and some change...

BUT, just to play Devil's advocate here for a sec, what I think SunWater was trying to say was that while Rick was only in the band during 1972, 1973 and 1974 (by his reckoning, discounting the info in my post above), Oliver was in the band during the years 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011- somehow meaning what, I'm not quite sure, but perhaps SunWater can clarify why this seemed important to start a thread on and shut us all up? (please note I am not being derisive here, I am genuinely curious as to that: general info? a gentle stab at Rick for being so grumpy? small talk?) Point being, I don't think he was going for exact length of time served, but time served during four consecutive years. So.... anyway... Rick and Oliver were both in the band during four consecutive years (1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 & 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011)- are they "equal" now? ;)

SunWater
04-04-2011, 12:33 PM
Your math is off, on most of these. 2008 to 2011 is 3 years, since he joined spring 2008, and apparently is leaving Spring 2011. 11 minus 8 is 3. Same with most others.

As for Kaye, he actually left a few times during the YesWest years...


The OP must be using that new math the schools teach. Oliver was in Yes, at most, three years and a month (assuming Monday is his last show).

I don't remember when it was announced he was replacing his father, but if it was March 1, 2008 and he leaves April 4, 2011, that is three years, one month, and three days.
Hey, if you two want to start a thread about length of time by months and days that members were in the band, go right ahead.
This thread is about the calendar years in which Oliver and Rick (and others) were in the band, the quantity of those calendar years, and how many consecutive ones there were for each.


I think we can all agree that 2008-2009 is one year, 2009-2010 is two years, 2010 to 2011 is three years... meaning Oliver's exact length of "service" in Yes was three years and some change...

BUT, just to play Devil's advocate here for a sec, what I think SunWater was trying to say was that while Rick was only in the band during 1972, 1973 and 1974 (by his reckoning, discounting the info in my post above), Oliver was in the band during the years 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011- somehow meaning what, I'm not quite sure, but perhaps SunWater can clarify why this seemed important to start a thread on and shut us all up? (please note I am not being derisive here, I am genuinely curious as to that: general info? a gentle stab at Rick for being so grumpy? small talk?) Point being, I don't think he was going for exact length of time served, but time served during four consecutive years. So.... anyway... Rick and Oliver were both in the band during four consecutive years (1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 & 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011)- are they "equal" now? ;)
Thanks. You got it.
I merely started this thread as a trivia kind of thing. There really is no point to it. Others may glean something, I suppose.

SunWater
04-04-2011, 12:37 PM
Not that the length of time any of these musicians played with Yes really has anything to do with their actual musical impact on the material or the band's style, it is interesting to note that the sessions for "Fragile" were completed in sessions in late 1971 (it was released in January, 1972), meaning that Papa Wakeman was actually playing in the band during 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1974- four continuous years.

Very true. I was going by concerts and release dates. I don't recall Rick playing any shows with Yes in 1971 and since Forgotten Yesterdays is down still, I don't have a reference.

SunshipVoyager
04-04-2011, 04:42 PM
No worries. We all start threads that may or may not mean anything to others... just for fun, anyway.

:)

turnround glider
04-25-2011, 09:45 AM
Father Rick has only ever made it to 3 years: 1972-1974, 1977-1979, and 2002-2004.


But it wasn't 1977 to 1979, it was 1976 to 1980! Plus, if you count ABWH in, 1988 to 1992! That's 2 times 5 years each, if you count the british way - which I am aware of although not being british myself.

luvyesmusic
04-25-2011, 03:58 PM
Oliver never had a thing for watching men and women skate around on ice, unlike his dad. That, is why he stayed so long. ;-)