Yes Fans Cheated

[davetregem]

First of all, It was a great show. The band was solid from Oliver to Alan. Great energy from the band, especially Alan and Steve.

I knew going in that the set list was limited....No Siberian, No All Good People, No Going For The One, NO Gates, No Wonderous Stories, No Many Others that I would have loved to hear so I was not upset with that....What really felt like a slap in the face was to not even get Starship Trooper!!

It seems that all other venues got the extra encore, but not here.

I hope the band members read this. Alot of us paid good hard earned money to see you guys for the upteenth time. The price of tickets warranted a full set not an opening act set list. Once again, I knew going in that it was going to be short, but would it have been so hard to play the complete short set. Cmon guys, we have been supporting the band for 35 years now....treat us with respect..you owe us another show, at least another song. Sad to say, when you return to Pittsburgh in the next few years, I'll be spending my money in the Poker Room.

[1yesfan]

Perhaps the venue dictated that YES had to do what they had to do. Sometimes a lot of things we as fans have no idea to what the band has to work with at a given venue.

[The Whale]

I thought this was going to say that Yesfans.com cheated some one or that fans of Yes cheated some one... maybe the title should read (Yes fans were cheated)?

Sorry about the lack of SST Dude! I keep hearing people complain about ticket price and (hard earned $)... I only paid like $28 a ticket for mine... Cheapest tickets I've baught in years.

[relayeire]

I know I've argued this before with people on the site, but the band absolutely has the power to say "no casino shows (because the schedules are too restrictive)." But I don't think they will. Was it Alan who was just talking about how much they like playing at Mohegan?

[utopian2630]

Hey Fellow Yes Fans,

Having seen Yes in various forms throughout most of my life since my first Yes show at the ripe old age of 4 during the 90125 tour. I have also been fortunate enough to have met my idols over the years (Steve Howe once signed my entire Yes collection back in 1996 and chatted with me for about 10 minutes) which was very cool.

The show last night was very good (much better than I thought it would be). As many posters have noted, it is definitely hit or miss from time to time and I suppose last night was a 'hit' on some levels. However, I believe the band could take some lessons in humility from Peter Frampton. From where I was sitting in the 4th row, I felt that Frampton was definitely inspired throughout the set and seemed to be enjoying himself. Yes, however seemed to be going through the motions a bit ( though I will say that Steve Howe was smiling and grinning after the clap so I was happy to see that).

However, I do feel that we were cheated last night when the crowd was chanting and pounding on the stage for them to come back....only to be dissed. I understand if time restraints would have prevented from from doing Trooper but I think that at the very least we could have gotten an All Good People or something to satisfy the crowd. I havent seen the crowd that amped up after a Yes show in a long time and I felt in many ways that was a slap in the face. Now, what made matters worse is one of the members of the Yes crew who not only threw a wad of tape and hit me in the face, but also yelled an explative at my girlfriend which I felt was totally out of bounds.

I nicely asked one of the crew members for a setlist after the show and this gentleman (and I use that word lightly) said "you want a set list..ok"....and grabbed a wad of tape and threw it at me and hit me in the face before saying to my gf and I "no ****ing way and called as some rather horrible names before laughing about". I didnt say anything and we left right after that but needless to say, this ruined my night and really left a sour taste in my mouth. Its not the 'souvenieer' I am angry about but the treatment we were given. To go as far as throwing things at someone is absolutley unacceptable. I didnt mean for my first post to come off as bitter, but I really needed to vent because not only was it embarassing, but frankly in poor taste. I didnt spend good money to be treated like that and I dont know if I will do so again.

[barra1]

Hey Fellow Yes Fans,

Having seen Yes in various forms throughout most of my life since my first Yes show at the ripe old age of 4 during the 90125 tour. I have also been fortunate enough to have met my idols over the years (Steve Howe once signed my entire Yes collection back in 1996 and chatted with me for about 10 minutes) which was very cool.

The show last night was very good (much better than I thought it would be). As many posters have noted, it is definitely hit or miss from time to time and I suppose last night was a 'hit' on some levels. However, I believe the band could take some lessons in humility from Peter Frampton. From where I was sitting in the 4th row, I felt that Frampton was definitely inspired throughout the set and seemed to be enjoying himself. Yes, however seemed to be going through the motions a bit ( though I will say that Steve Howe was smiling and grinning after the clap so I was happy to see that).

However, I do feel that we were cheated last night when the crowd was chanting and pounding on the stage for them to come back....only to be dissed. I understand if time restraints would have prevented from from doing Trooper but I think that at the very least we could have gotten an All Good People or something to satisfy the crowd. I havent seen the crowd that amped up after a Yes show in a long time and I felt in many ways that was a slap in the face. Now, what made matters worse is one of the members of the Yes crew who not only threw a wad of tape and hit me in the face, but also yelled an explative at my girlfriend which I felt was totally out of bounds.

I nicely asked one of the crew members for a setlist after the show and this gentleman (and I use that word lightly) said "you want a set list..ok"....and grabbed a wad of tape and threw it at me and hit me in the face before saying to my gf and I "no ****ing way and called as some rather horrible names before laughing about". I didnt say anything and we left right after that but needless to say, this ruined my night and really left a sour taste in my mouth. Its not the 'souvenieer' I am angry about but the treatment we were given. To go as far as throwing things at someone is absolutley unacceptable. I didnt mean for my first post to come off as bitter, but I really needed to vent because not only was it embarassing, but frankly in poor taste. I didnt spend good money to be treated like that and I dont know if I will do so again.

what time did Yes finish their set?

sorry to hear abou your experience at the end of the show, poor form from that crew member.

[mageestout]

Perhaps the venue dictated that YES had to do what they had to do. Sometimes a lot of things we as fans have no idea to what the band has to work with at a given venue.

you said it.
I would assume this would be the reason.
In all their history I don't think many of us would characterize YES as a group that cheats the fans.

[Sheerah]

I nicely asked one of the crew members for a setlist after the show and this gentleman (and I use that word lightly) said "you want a set list..ok"....and grabbed a wad of tape and threw it at me and hit me in the face before saying to my gf and I "no ****ing way and called as some rather horrible names before laughing about". I didnt say anything and we left right after that but needless to say, this ruined my night and really left a sour taste in my mouth. Its not the 'souvenieer' I am angry about but the treatment we were given. To go as far as throwing things at someone is absolutley unacceptable. I didnt mean for my first post to come off as bitter, but I really needed to vent because not only was it embarassing, but frankly in poor taste. I didnt spend good money to be treated like that and I dont know if I will do so again.

That person should definitely be fired!

[gtrips]

Historically, patrons @ Casinos concerts usually get the shaft :Wow: the previous night @ Borgata Yes dropped Onward, ISAGP & Starship Trooper.
The Casinos wold rather have you loosing your $$$ on slots or whatnot than enjoying your concert - its strictly a $$$ issue (Although the Event Center @ Borgata was quite lovely & the sound was tremendous).:headset:
When Yes played Capitol One Theater on LI a few months ago time limitations dictated that they only play Wurm, not the entire Strarship Trooper, so threes that.

[jjp735i]

what time did Yes finish their set?


sorry to hear abou your experience at the end of the show, poor form from that crew member.


10:46 YES finished. They started shortly after 9:00.

Even though I enjoyed the show, this will be the last with this line up unless they produce new music. It's now getting old hearing the same songs.

[gathernear]

You guys realize that casino shows are never a full set. The contract calls for a specified length, and that's it. You can stomp and clap for an hour and they're not coming back, if they've used up their time.

[BEE]

Perhaps the venue dictated that YES had to do what they had to do. Sometimes a lot of things we as fans have no idea to what the band has to work with at a given venue.
Very true and accurate!

what time did Yes finish their set?.........

Yes what time did they finish?
Sometimes union rules are heavy.
I remember at Radio City it was like an extra $5,000 per every minute past the 11pm agreement.
ST about 14 minutes = $70,000
Westbury is a union hall and that is exactly why "Wurm" was all they could do.....but it was great to hear that.

Remember you got Frampton and Yes, and you knew that when you bought the ticket.....
Sorry nobody got cheated here!
You got your monies worth!.....

[mageestout]

Sometimes union rules are heavy.
I remember at Radio City it was like an extra $5,000 per every minute past the 11pm agreement.

Sorry nobody got cheated here!
You got your monies worth!.....

Yes.
My one buddy was at a Dream Theater concert that ended 11:01 and they still got fined.

yep - monies worth

[oliasdoug]

I'm not sure I understand what this deal is with casinos limiting the amount of time a headliner can play onstage...unless things have changed (tightened up?) in the recent past.....?

The reason I say this is I caught 3 concerts at 2 separate casinos in Kansas City--Peter Frampton, The Black Crowes, and John Hyatt. All except Frampton had opening acts and, hand to God, they played full sets w/encores.

I don't know--maybe things are or were different in the Midwest?

It was mentioned that Yes went on at 9 and finished at 10:45, right? I can't help wondering, when did an hour and 45 minute long show not constitute a full set when it's a double bill? Just askin'.

And I hope the guys in Yes get wind of the way that roadie treated you & your girlfriend, dude--that's really fcuked up and he should have his sorry ass thrown off the crew.

[Foot Print]

I'll be spending my money in the Poker Room.

You answered your own question/comment/frustration. As previous replies described, casinos want you in the casinos, gambling and drinking. Although most fans are aware of this, there should be a footnote of sorts on tickets purchased for such concerts. Still sounds like an enjoyable evening. And with Frampton added, you got more music than a typical casino venue concert offers. I too would rather have the extra Yes.

[rphheather]

And I hope the guys in Yes get wind of the way that roadie treated you & your girlfriend, dude--that's really fcuked up and he should have his sorry ass thrown off the crew.

That is absolutely F'd up. Utopian2630, what did this guy look like? Perhaps someone who can relay the incident will read this.

[utopian2630]

The gentleman from the crew had basically a shaved head much shorter than a buzz cut and also sort of had a mustache/goatee growing in. Like I said earlier its a shame that an otherwise wonderful evening had to be ruined by someone who felt the need to act like a jerk. If you don't want to or aren't allowed to give away a souveneer that's fine.....but don't resort to throwing something at someone or using foul language.....especially when I was very polite. Like I said....the performance was solid....no complaints there.....but this experience has soured my lifelong positive yes support.

[luvyesmusic]

Welcome to the site, utopian2630. :-) Sorry you had a bad experience. Sounds like Steve's guitar tech.

[Gemini]

I'm not sure the title of this thread is very fair. It makes it sound like the band played a fast one on the fans but it seems likelier that it was beyond their control.

[relayeire]

The gentleman from the crew had basically a shaved head much shorter than a buzz cut and also sort of had a mustache/goatee growing in. Like I said earlier its a shame that an otherwise wonderful evening had to be ruined by someone who felt the need to act like a jerk. If you don't want to or aren't allowed to give away a souveneer that's fine.....but don't resort to throwing something at someone or using foul language.....especially when I was very polite. Like I said....the performance was solid....no complaints there.....but this experience has soured my lifelong positive yes support.

I want you to know that his actions do not represent the rest of us in the bald community.


it seems likelier that it was beyond their control.

That's not necessarily so, if the band takes a more active role/interest in their bookings (i.e., where they play).


Some casinos do have limited hours because they want people to gamble instead of sitting there listening to music. The very reason bands like Yes should avoid booking them. Choose venues where music is valued, and is the first priority.

There are strict curfews at some places due to noise (especially outdoor venues) and union regulations. I’m a decidedly pro-labor guy, but it’s excessive situations like this $5,000 fine for every minute past 11 that make them look like “the bad guys.” I used to do concert setup for IATSE, and while we all wanted Celine Dion to finish her stupid music so we could get started packing her stuff up and go home, I can sympathize with the ticket buyer who feels stiffed for shelling out big bucks for an abridged show.

If you see the band as a part of “Taste of Chicago” or the SeaWorld concert series, where the show is included with admission (or sometimes free, depending on the outdoor event), all bets are off.

If they’re not going to avoid performing at casinos, Yes should at least set expectations for an abbreviated set. I’ve never seen a concert at a casino, and wouldn’t know about any time limits were it not for reading Yesfans’ experiences here over the past few tours. I wouldn't want to find that when the lights came up prematurely.

[pschroeter]

I think they started about 9:10 and finished about 10:40. I thought the show felt slightly short and really hoped for a second encore until I saw the sound booth people waste no time starting to pull the chords out of the mixing booth.

[trsunhillow]

Thought the show was very good. 4th+ time seeing this lineup (National Harbour rain show), seemed to be gelling as a band. Everyone was equal in the mix, good to hear keyboards. Must have benefited from Frampton's sound check and show. Did not start slow, tight and good pace right out of the gate. Perpetual Change was worth the ticket price as it's been a long time. YIND was excellent, some wobbly vocals on AYAI, but neither singer ,can hit all these notes today. CTTE was good, nice energy. I could have done without Roundabout for the 36th time. Reall missed ST. Have tickets for Baltimore, Pier 6 is a great venue, this is a great show to see.

[trsunhillow]

Forgot to mention the nice use of the TV sceens, not always on track with the music though. Great logos, would love it as a screen saver

[PA Yes Fan]

Like Atlantic City, if they know the set will be shorter, then why keep on playing Owner as the last tune before leaving the stage? Dump that, play Starship, then come back for the encore and play Roundabout.

[relayerjim]

Forgot to mention the nice use of the TV sceens, not always on track with the music though. Great logos, would love it as a screen saver

This is not a screen saver but I made this logo based on the one projected during CTTE on this tour...

http://relayerjim.com/pshop/CTTEvideo.jpg

[ALWAYS-YES]

This was the 3rd time 've seen this line up. I really wish Benoit would stop trying to be like Jon. He is making a fool of himself on stage the way he dances around. (I wasn't the only one to notice this either.) Jon's music motions flow through his body naturally when he sings. Just saw him in Cleveland and he is coming around from his illness nicely. I too was so disappointed the way the show ended. Was the worst ending I've ever seen of theirs and been going since 1972. Steve and Alan were great as Oliver is finally coming out. Was unimpressed with Chris tonight as I was especially waiting for him to jam hard and march around stage to ST as he normally does. I think these guys need a break themselves.

[luvyesmusic]

[QUOTE=trsunhillow;2009996 Have tickets for Baltimore, Pier 6 is a great venue, this is a great show to see.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I'll see you there. :-)

[Relayer10]

I sat about 20 feet in front of Chris Squire and Oliver Wakeman. I've seen the band about 20 times now, beginning in 1971. This show was probably as good as they can do now, particularly without Jon. Peter Frampton was really good- which was a definite pleasant surprise.

Yes was very good. Chris seemed to be enjoying the crowd, smiling from ear to ear. Oliver was spectacular- he, Steve, and Chris play very well together- I would say flawless. Oliver was interacting with the folks seated in front of him- very different from the last two times I saw him. Technically becoming the equal of his dad- maybe better. They are not what they were 20 years ago, but who among us are? I completely enjoyed every song...excellent. They left out "Your Move", which is such a signature song for them. That is partly why the show felt incomplete. No Bass solo....no drum feature, which is always such an enjoyable sight, as Chris normally shines so brightly with the crowd during them. I can understand Alan not doing one, his role requires so much energy with each piece. Benoit does a very good job reproducing Jon- and seems to have learned how to do the vocals without becoming a focal point- which helps us long time fans accept his presence. He seems to be coming into his own, without trying to emulate Jon's mannerisms. I wish Chris would talk about Jon's absence...because it leaves a strange "air" to just ignore him. There may be some "bad blood" there, but we don't know of it. All have to remember that WE have made Steve, Chris, and Alan millionaires. Their talent is immense- and still is. They are worth seeing. Both shows are just excellent, and reminds us all what pure talent looks like- and musical skill is just so rare today.

[fish62858]

I want you to know that his actions do not represent the rest of us in the bald community.



hear, hear...:appl[1]:

[YESOLA]

Let's compare and contrast shall we???



This was the 3rd time 've seen this line up. I really wish Benoit would stop trying to be like Jon. He is making a fool of himself on stage the way he dances around. (I wasn't the only one to notice this either.) Jon's music motions flow through his body naturally when he sings. Just saw him in Cleveland and he is coming around from his illness nicely.


Benoit does a very good job reproducing Jon- and seems to have learned how to do the vocals without becoming a focal point- which helps us long time fans accept his presence. He seems to be coming into his own, without trying to emulate Jon's mannerisms. I wish Chris would talk about Jon's absence...because it leaves a strange "air" to just ignore him. There may be some "bad blood" there, but we don't know of it.




I too was so disappointed the way the show ended. Was the worst ending I've ever seen of theirs and been going since 1972.



Yes was very good.This show was probably as good as they can do now....


Was unimpressed with Chris tonight as I was especially waiting for him to jam hard and march around stage to ST as he normally does.



Chris seemed to be enjoying the crowd, smiling from ear to ear .....Oliver was spectacular- he, Steve, and Chris play very well together- I would say flawless.


Hey just goes to show ya....different ears ..... ;)

[relayeire]

I still think the problem here was the venue, and I think Yes should stop playing casinos. With a simple phone call to management, here’s how things could go down:

“I’m Chris effing Squire and Yes doesn’t play effing casinos! We’re effing Yes, not Wayne effing Newton! So don’t book us in anymore effing casinos or I’ll teabag your effing arse! You’ve seen me in my stage garb, so you know I can bloody well do it.”

[utopian2630]

I agree with Yes's casino gigs. This was the first (and definitely last) time I will see them at a casino. Don't get me wrong, I love casinos and I love Yes, but I cannot put the two together. Without sounding like I am living in the past, I can remember a time when there was such a build up to a Yes concert....and now it seems that it no longer is the case. Its like we're rooting for them to have a strong start and a solid performance. Not to mention keeping our fingers crossed that the sound is good.

Despite the actions of one idiot Sunday night, I will still love Yes's music and always will....however I think its probably time for me to just enjoy the records and old performances before I start to think of them in the past tense.

[Dougnddeb]

First of all, It was a great show. The band was solid from Oliver to Alan. Great energy from the band, especially Alan and Steve.

I knew going in that the set list was limited....No Siberian, No All Good People, No Going For The One, NO Gates, No Wonderous Stories, No Many Others that I would have loved to hear so I was not upset with that....What really felt like a slap in the face was to not even get Starship Trooper!!

It seems that all other venues got the extra encore, but not here.

I hope the band members read this. Alot of us paid good hard earned money to see you guys for the upteenth time. The price of tickets warranted a full set not an opening act set list. Once again, I knew going in that it was going to be short, but would it have been so hard to play the complete short set. Cmon guys, we have been supporting the band for 35 years now....treat us with respect..you owe us another show, at least another song. Sad to say, when you return to Pittsburgh in the next few years, I'll be spending my money in the Poker Room.

They didn't play Strship Trooper at Biloxi, MS either. Wonder why it is played sometimes and not other times?

Doug

[mageestout]

I agree with Yes's casino gigs. This was the first (and definitely last) time I will see them at a casino. .

Always wondered regarding the Casino gigs - why they don't play Chris's LUCKY SEVEN off of FISH OUT OF WATERhttp://www.yesfans.com/images/icons/mel.gif

[Micah68]

yes fans are not cheated

[Arnie_P]

I don't agree that the fans were cheated. I would have liked a second encore as well, but that's the way it goes. I don't really know if it was a casino time constraint or if it was a local ordnance regarding noise.

Actually, I was pleased they played Close to the Edge, Yours is No Disgrace, and Perpetual Change. I consider that a trade off for Starship Trooper.

All in all, I thought it was a great show and I enjoyed both acts.

[Dougnddeb]

I don't agree that the fans were cheated. I would have liked a second encore as well, but that's the way it goes. I don't really know if it was a casino time constraint or if it was a local ordnance regarding noise.

Actually, I was pleased they played Close to the Edge, Yours is No Disgrace, and Perpetual Change. I consider that a trade off for Starship Trooper.

All in all, I thought it was a great show and I enjoyed both acts.

I felt cheated in Bolxi, MS. Several mistakes, tempos were slow, no Starship Trooper, nobody wanted to start Perpetual Change, Benoit Davids voice cracking, no energy on stage, just going through the motions, the mix was horrible. I was so saddened by the performance that I gave my ticket away for the Tunica, MS show.

Doug

[JimSVoit]

I felt cheated in Bolxi, MS. Several mistakes, tempos were slow, no Starship Trooper, nobody wanted to start Perpetual Change, Benoit Davids voice cracking, no energy on stage, just going through the motions, the mix was horrible. I was so saddened by the performance that I gave my ticket away for the Tunica, MS show.

Doug


And the Tunica show was amazing. Moral of the story...Yes, like any live act, has good shows and they have bad shows. The one you saw, unfortunately, wasn't the greatest. I always keep my faith in Yes. I mean, they were really good at the shows before the one you saw, according to many many reviews and the videos I've seen on YouTube. Sorry to hear you had a bad time.

[BEE]

And the Tunica show was amazing. Moral of the story...Yes, like any live act, has good shows and they have bad shows. The one you saw, unfortunately, wasn't the greatest. I always keep my faith in Yes. I mean, they were really good at the shows before the one you saw, according to many many reviews and the videos I've seen on YouTube. Sorry to hear you had a bad time.:appl[1]::appl[1]:

[Yes.2]

Yeah,

Those "yes fans" are such sluts.:sneaky: It's always, " I drank what??" and "love the one you're with."

[mc4319]

Welcome to the site, utopian2630. :-) Sorry you had a bad experience. Sounds like Steve's guitar tech.

It wasn't Steve's Guitar Tech, Joe, and look, things happen.

As far as the set, YIND, live, has to be the best thing going.

For those who complain about the set list and the line-up, listen, the band has had various members in every position. The set-list, yes, it could be freshened up, but over the years they have played many things from many albums.

The location was great and the show with Frampton was kewl also.
I thought Benoit's voice was the strongest I have ever heard from him since he started touring with the band.

Like Parcells once said, you are what your are.....and Yes is Yes.
Overall, between the two bands, they played a nice long time. What do you expect from guys that are 60+?

Regards,

Mark

[MikeYESfan]

I'm just Glad YES is on the Road....
New Music is in the pipeline,
it's all good!

Oh yea 2 Shows for me this weekend ;-)

[Arnie_P]

@MC4319 that photo you took looks like you were right behind where I was seated.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o92/quipfan/frampton_yes/100_3564.jpg

[Fish]

Wow how cool!
I'm in your pic(standing, closest to Chris)

[Arnie_P]

How about that! :wave:

Oh, by the way. When I was at the Casino on Sunday, I asked one of the Player's Club supervisors for a promo poster that they had. She took my name and number and called me yesterday. It's on its way up. I think that was cool of her.

[Dougnddeb]

Did anyone get the meet and greet package? Post your reviews if you had a meet and greet.

Doug

[Arnie_P]

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o92/quipfan/frampton_yes/promo_poster.jpg

I just need to frame it.

[rphheather]

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o92/quipfan/frampton_yes/promo_poster.jpg

I just need to frame it.


Cool, that was very nice of them to mail it to you.

[yes616]

I'm just Glad YES is on the Road....
New Music is in the pipeline,
it's all good!

Oh yea 2 Shows for me this weekend ;-)
May I inquire as to what new music is coming? I did not hear anything about this. Is Jon included in anything new? I already tried an e-mail to Rick and someone in his staff replied saying he does not comment on anything YES except to say he is delighted Oliver is with them.