View Full Version : New TYA Mobile Fidelity CD on the way
Mastered by Steve Hoffman! :bncy:
Trust me folks - this will be the definitive edition CD of TYA when it's released.
Can't wait!!!!!!
CybrKhatru
07-30-2009, 10:39 AM
I saw this on Hoffman's site yesterday.
Can't wait!!!
His LP of Fragile is IMO definitive!!!!
I saw this on Hoffman's site yesterday.
Can't wait!!!
His LP of Fragile is IMO definitive!!!!
First Deep Purple In Rock, now this.
Bring 'em on!!!!!!!!! :headset:
TOBYSGRAPHICGOKART
07-30-2009, 11:06 AM
Woo hoo!!
Any word on a release date?
Melissa
07-30-2009, 11:10 AM
Link?
and for the Fragile, too, please?
gathernear
07-30-2009, 11:24 AM
Great news!
Doctor Flang
07-30-2009, 11:26 AM
Yes, Sir! I'm gladly to buy The Yes Album for a third time!!!
Actually, IMO this album has always sounded good, be it Rhino or Gastwrit versions, but this time it will sound even better.
Now if Steve could remaster Yessongs...
CybrKhatru
07-30-2009, 11:27 AM
No link for The Yes Album yet..
For Fragile...here's one...please note, this was a vinyl-only release of this mastering:
http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=34989
We had a little listening party at my house, back when this came out. Everyone loved it!!!!
TOBYSGRAPHICGOKART
07-30-2009, 11:42 AM
Now if Steve could remaster Yessongs...
Oh yes! I'd pay a king's ransom for that!!
Now if Steve could remaster Yessongs...
... and CTTE too, although some of the masters are still missing so I don't think AF would do it unless they were found.
Doctor Flang
07-30-2009, 12:01 PM
... and CTTE too, although some of the masters are still missing so I don't think AF would do it unless they were found.
I always thought the stereo masters are ok, but the multitracks for the side A that are missing. But that would explain the noticeable drop-outs on Siberian Khatru.
I love the 1994 Gastwrit remaster (and have heard lots of good about the original Barry Diament one) but i would definately buy an Hoffmann-ized version of CTTE!
CybrKhatru
07-30-2009, 12:09 PM
re: CTTE...yeah, the Barry Diament-mastered CD is my fave....love it!
Hmmmm Crimso style super dupper jobs...
Ah lyke it!!!
Frumious B
07-30-2009, 07:48 PM
I think that Hoffman is a self-aggrandizing shyster and that his forum is a Stalinesquely moderated hotbed of audiofool superstition and misinformation. Try asking about the Kensai Audio Transmogrifier or whatever the hell it is some time and see how long your post stays up.
His niche seems to be that he takes boomer rock recordings hits "play" on one end, "record" on the other end with a little EQ fairy dust and makes CDs that sound all warm, gauzy and nostalgic. This practice has earned him the undying loyalty of a cult of middle-aged male misfits who seem to hold Hoffman in higher reverence than they do the actual artists and music on the recordings in question.
Anyway, it's safe to say that I'm not interested in hearing his version of The Yes Album. Frankly, I'm past this business of repurchasing music I all ready have.
I think that Hoffman is a self-aggrandizing shyster and that his forum is a Stalinesquely moderated hotbed of audiofool superstition and misinformation. Try asking about the Kensai Audio Transmogrifier or whatever the hell it is some time and see how long your post stays up.
His niche seems to be that he takes boomer rock recordings hits "play" on one end, "record" on the other end with a little EQ fairy dust and makes CDs that sound all warm, gauzy and nostalgic. This practice has earned him the undying loyalty of a cult of middle-aged male misfits who seem to hold Hoffman in higher reverence than they do the actual artists and music on the recordings in question.
Anyway, it's safe to say that I'm not interested in hearing his version of The Yes Album. Frankly, I'm past this business of repurchasing music I all ready have.
Thank you for your contribution.
You carry on listening to your compressed, no-noised and brickwalled music if that's the way you like it. In the Loudness War ®, I'm on the side of the good guys.
Frumious B
07-30-2009, 08:31 PM
Thank you for your contribution.
You carry on listening to your compressed, no-noised and brickwalled music if that's the way you like it. In the Loudness War ®, I'm on the side of the good guys.
Actually I might be persuaded to rebuy Vapor Trails if it were remixed and remastered from the ground up and I'm still a little bitter over the Animation CD fiasco (Jon owes me a replacement that doesn't sound like s**t, dammit.) so it's not as though I'm on the side of the "bad guys" in this Loudness War business just because I don't worship Hoffy and his "breath of life" nonsense. I just think that he and his forum do more harm than good on balance.
Doctor Flang
07-31-2009, 04:15 AM
Actually I might be persuaded to rebuy Vapor Trails if it were remixed and remastered from the ground up and I'm still a little bitter over the Animation CD fiasco (Jon owes me a replacement that doesn't sound like s**t, dammit.) so it's not as though I'm on the side of the "bad guys" in this Loudness War business just because I don't worship Hoffy and his "breath of life" nonsense. I just think that he and his forum do more harm than good on balance.
I personally prefer Hoffman's way of remastering. And i do think that modern way of "brickwalling" makes some serious harm to the music. Music needs dynamics. I could only listen to the first four songs on Vapour Trails and then my ears needed rest.
But you're right in a sense that there are some really aggressive people on the Hoffman's forum that are not only hard-core audiophiles but hard-core purists too who show no mercy when attacking people with different tastes.
Here's a depressing update straight from Steve Hoffman:
I received this letter from Audio Fidelity this morning:
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Steve,
I regret the confusion on "The Yes Album". Audio Fidelity will not be releasing the "The Yes Album" on 24K. The album will be released by Mobile Fidelity.
A brief explanation-- we never assume an album is licensed to AF until we get an email confirmation from the company we're licensing the title from. In the case of Yes, we received email confirmation from Rhino confirming we had the rights to "The Yes Album" for 24K. Upon receiving the confirmation, I then emailed you to see what your schedule was in order to get you in the studio to master the album. Once we'd worked that out, you asked if it was official, and could you post the news on your forum. We were both excited about the album, and I said go ahead. Once you posted on your forum, the buzz and the excitement for "The Yes Album" were overwhelmingly positive.
The next day I received a phone call from Rhino apologizing profusely that a huge error had been made. The news and the buzz regarding AF's licensing of "The Yes Album" had gotten back to MoFi, who were under the impression that they had licensed "The Yes Album" two weeks prior. MoFi called Rhino, Rhino checked their records, and in fact they had licensed the album to MoFi two weeks prior.
As you can imagine, our friends at Rhino were embarrassed, apologetic and sympathetic to the confusion the error had caused. We have a terrific working relationship with Rhino, and in all the years we've worked together with them, something like this has never happened. The people at Rhino are professional and reliable, and not just music executives, but also music lovers.
The error was caught immediately, so no studio time or manufacturing had begun. The damage was only emotional, not financial. "The Yes Album" will be coming out, but it will be coming out on MoFi. I'm sure our friends at MoFi will do a great job. We wish them the best, and we're looking forward to announcing our next AF releases, such as Joe Walsh and Rod Stewart.
Bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger. BUGGER. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I'll have to try to work up some enthusiasm for the MOFI, but not right now.
P.S. If a Mod reads this perhaps an appropriate change in the header might be in order?
Bluegrunt
07-31-2009, 01:34 PM
I have no idea what this thread is about.
gathernear
07-31-2009, 01:42 PM
Here's a depressing update straight from Steve Hoffman:
I received this letter from Audio Fidelity this morning:
----------------------------
Steve,
I regret the confusion on "The Yes Album". Audio Fidelity will not be releasing the "The Yes Album" on 24K. The album will be released by Mobile Fidelity.
A brief explanation-- we never assume an album is licensed to AF until we get an email confirmation from the company we're licensing the title from. In the case of Yes, we received email confirmation from Rhino confirming we had the rights to "The Yes Album" for 24K. Upon receiving the confirmation, I then emailed you to see what your schedule was in order to get you in the studio to master the album. Once we'd worked that out, you asked if it was official, and could you post the news on your forum. We were both excited about the album, and I said go ahead. Once you posted on your forum, the buzz and the excitement for "The Yes Album" were overwhelmingly positive.
The next day I received a phone call from Rhino apologizing profusely that a huge error had been made. The news and the buzz regarding AF's licensing of "The Yes Album" had gotten back to MoFi, who were under the impression that they had licensed "The Yes Album" two weeks prior. MoFi called Rhino, Rhino checked their records, and in fact they had licensed the album to MoFi two weeks prior.
As you can imagine, our friends at Rhino were embarrassed, apologetic and sympathetic to the confusion the error had caused. We have a terrific working relationship with Rhino, and in all the years we've worked together with them, something like this has never happened. The people at Rhino are professional and reliable, and not just music executives, but also music lovers.
The error was caught immediately, so no studio time or manufacturing had begun. The damage was only emotional, not financial. "The Yes Album" will be coming out, but it will be coming out on MoFi. I'm sure our friends at MoFi will do a great job. We wish them the best, and we're looking forward to announcing our next AF releases, such as Joe Walsh and Rod Stewart.
Bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger. BUGGER. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I'll have to try to work up some enthusiasm for the MOFI, but not right now.
This is a disappointment. AF would have done a lot better. Oh well. I would love to see an AF version of Tales. Fat chance of that happening.
I have no idea what this thread is about.
Steve Hoffman is one of the leading lights fighting this curse on the music industry:
The Loudness War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war)
Bluegrunt
07-31-2009, 02:31 PM
Steve Hoffman is one of the leading lights fighting this curse on the music industry:
The Loudness War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war)
Thanks! i had worked that bit out - it was the AF and MoFi stuff I was wondering about. Is it a sort of VHS / Betamax thing?
Thanks! i had worked that bit out - it was the AF and MoFi stuff I was wondering about. Is it a sort of VHS / Betamax thing?
Audio Fidelity: www.audiofidelity.net
MOFI/MFSL: www.mofi.com/productcart/pc/home.asp
Basically both are responsible for high quality releases of CDs, SACDs, vinyl etc. So it's more to do with mastering/sound than compatibility.
The people who post on Hoffman's, not surprisingly, favour Audio Fidelity as they trust SH not to use compression, no-noise etc. The recent release of Rush's Permanent Waves on MOFI did get some criticism for the use of this technology.
Frumious B
07-31-2009, 05:00 PM
I'm sure our friends at MoFi will do a great job. We wish them the best...
It's worth mentioning that Hoffman banned his "friends" at MoFi from posting to his forum awhile back.
Doctor Flang
07-31-2009, 05:17 PM
It's worth mentioning that Hoffman banned his "friends" at MoFi from posting to his forum awhile back.
Really? Why?
Frumious B
07-31-2009, 05:27 PM
Really? Why?
The short story is that they called Hoffman on his BS and got punished for it. For the long story you'll have to trawl through this long and winding thread...
http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=946&start=0
Imperatrix
07-31-2009, 05:36 PM
Mastered by Steve Hoffman! :bncy:
Trust me folks - this will be the definitive edition CD of TYA when it's released.
Can't wait!!!!!!
Matt told me yesterday! I can't wait to see how Hoffman treats Wurm!
Imperatrix
07-31-2009, 05:36 PM
Steve Hoffman is one of the leading lights fighting this curse on the music industry:
The Loudness War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war)
:appl[1]: :appl[1]: :appl[1]: :appl[1]:
Imperatrix
07-31-2009, 05:38 PM
The short story is that they called Hoffman on his BS and got punished for it. For the long story you'll have to trawl through this long and winding thread...
http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=946&start=0
http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/images/avatars/12765610574a0241260778b.jpg
Doctor Flang
07-31-2009, 05:44 PM
The short story is that they called Hoffman on his BS and got punished for it. For the long story you'll have to trawl through this long and winding thread...
http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=946&start=0
Oh...
I quite like the SH forum, but there are some truly hilarious threads (or shall i say rants) going on. There's this 1000+ (or something like that) posts thread about forthcoming Beatles remasters box sets, and it seems like everybody's already decided that it's going to sound like crap. Then everybody goes and buy the boxes and rant another 10000+ times how they knew it was going to be crap. Threads about recent (and forthcoming) Genesis box sets were quite hilarious too.
I also remember someone asking a simple question if he should buy the Led Zeppelin BBC Sessions and the innocent poor sod was bombarded with rants about how badly it was mastered and that no-one should buy it.
Music is music, and i while i like Steve's mastering skills, i wouldn't advice anyone to stop listening to music just because it's mastered badly.
Doctor Flang
07-31-2009, 05:48 PM
http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/images/avatars/12765610574a0241260778b.jpg
:seesaw: :appl[1]: That's too much!
Frumious B
07-31-2009, 05:52 PM
The people who post on Hoffman's, not surprisingly, favour Audio Fidelity...
They also favor stuff like thousand dollar power cables, "audiophile grade" USB cables, LP demagnetizers and such and claim that they can hear differences between the same CD from different pressing plants, different brands of CDRs and all kinds of assorted nutjobbery.
Not surprisingly they hate the snot out of ABX testing which is the only objective way of determining if any of the above actually produces any audible differences whatsoever.
Matt told me yesterday! I can't wait to see how Hoffman treats Wurm!
Sorry Sis - see post #18.
There's this 1000+ (or something like that) posts thread about forthcoming Beatles remasters box sets, and it seems like everybody's already decided that it's going to sound like crap.
Bit of an exaggeration that, Doc.
There was much sighing of relief when it was known that Peter Mew wasn't involved.
Doctor Flang
07-31-2009, 06:03 PM
They also favor stuff like thousand dollar power cables, "audiophile grade" USB cables, LP demagnetizers and such and claim that they can hear differences between the same CD from different pressing plants, different brands of CDRs and all kinds of assorted nutjobbery.
Not surprisingly they hate the snot out of ABX testing which is the only objective way of determining if any of the above actually produces any audible differences whatsoever.
I agree. But i also remember that the UK and US editions of The Who's 90's remasters did sound different because of the different pressing plant. I'm not an hard core audiophile (or Hoffmaniac) myself, but even i noticed the difference. And i did have bad stereo player those days.
But back on the forum, it's not just mastering techniques that cause heated arguments there, it often seems like some people are purists about everything. You can't discuss the latest Jimi Hendrix release without everybody bashing the Janie Hendrix and the Experience Hendrix LTD.
Doctor Flang
07-31-2009, 06:08 PM
Bit of an exaggeration that, Doc.
A bit, yes. But not much! :-)
Frumious B
07-31-2009, 06:09 PM
I can't wait to see how Hoffman treats Wurm!
Must resist temptation....Must not make crass joke...Must resist temptation....Must not...
Frumious B
07-31-2009, 06:10 PM
I agree. But i also remember that the UK and US editions of The Who's 90's remasters did sound different because of the different pressing plant.
Was it ever established that the discs in question were digitally identical?
Doctor Flang
07-31-2009, 06:13 PM
Was it ever established that the discs in question were digitally identical?
That's what i read on some The Who website back in the day. I wasn't the only one who noticed the difference. Many US editions were smoother than the UK ones.
Doctor Flang
07-31-2009, 06:14 PM
Must resist temptation....Must not make crass joke...Must resist temptation....Must not...
Well, you wont caught (The) Clap that way.
Imperatrix
07-31-2009, 07:08 PM
Sorry Sis - see post #18.
:lol: Looks like I jumped the Glock on that!
Must resist temptation....Must not make crass joke...Must resist temptation....Must not...
Eggsy, it's always better when you're around. :hearts: And I worked so hard to phrase that quote innocuously, too. :lmao:
gathernear
08-01-2009, 01:02 PM
I agree. But i also remember that the UK and US editions of The Who's 90's remasters did sound different because of the different pressing plant. I'm not an hard core audiophile (or Hoffmaniac) myself, but even i noticed the difference. And i did have bad stereo player those days.
But back on the forum, it's not just mastering techniques that cause heated arguments there, it often seems like some people are purists about everything. You can't discuss the latest Jimi Hendrix release without everybody bashing the Janie Hendrix and the Experience Hendrix LTD.
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90125yes
10-19-2009, 09:54 AM
when you have got one cd - that is enough
CybrKhatru
10-19-2009, 10:37 AM
I have heard mixed reviews about the 90125 Audio Fidelity disc...and I suspect that there will be mixed reviews about MoFi's version of TYA as there are about Fragile.
Unforunately, I no longer have the expendable income to check out all these new versions...and to be quite honest, I love the original CD of this one a lot. Don't know how they could honestly improve on it...
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