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qoquaq
05-02-2009, 05:47 PM
I have to confess that I HATED 'Drama' when it came out (I was devasted when my beloved YES became The Yeggles) and after one listen I binned it,literaly! the other day I signed up to Spotify and listened again to 'Drama',first time in 29 years,and either I'm getting old,which I am,and therefore losing it somewhat,or it's not that bad an album?
Robin
It's more than not bad. It's very good.
TOBYSGRAPHICGOKART
05-02-2009, 06:56 PM
It has one very good song (Tempus Fugit).
One totally awesome (Machine Messiah).
And the rest fairly forgettable.
Without Jon (and Wakey) I could never really regard it as a proper Yes album.
Even so,it still didn't prepare me for what was to follow though.http://www.yesfans.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Can't say I didn't warn you Paul:
Take that :1poke: and that :1poke:
Melissa
05-02-2009, 07:52 PM
I don't love it, but it's growing on me.
Hill St.
05-02-2009, 08:12 PM
It's more than not bad. It's very good.
Agreed!
smatt
05-02-2009, 09:08 PM
Too be quite honest... I don't think the material would've worked with Jon and Rick.,.... I like, and don't care if people think it's not Yes.... No matter what name is on music... If I like it..I like it ;)
qoquaq
05-03-2009, 03:37 AM
It has one very good song (Tempus Fugit).
One totally awesome (Machine Messiah).
And the rest fairly forgettable.
Without Jon (and Wakey) I could never really regard it as a proper Yes album.
Even so,it still didn't prepare me for what was to follow though.http://www.yesfans.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
You're right!..not a proper YES album,will there ever be another?,but more perhaps than 'Open Your Eyes'?
Robin
ANTIOCH
05-03-2009, 09:55 AM
Without "Drama", like "90125" through "Talk"; 'YES' would never have sustained their success. With some 'new' material, the band (in whatever configuration) would continue their legacy and not be considered a 'Greatest Hits' band.
"Drama" showed us what Howe, Squire & White are capable of musically.
illusion
05-03-2009, 10:29 AM
It's brilliant. One of my favourites. The darkest one they did.
Kind of glad they only did one though!
rphheather
05-03-2009, 11:27 AM
I absolutely love Drama and it's heavy tone. A Drama 2 would have been welcomed by me (along with a Relayer 2 :headset: )
Olorin
05-04-2009, 12:39 AM
It's brilliant. One of my favourites. The darkest one they did.
Personally, I think Relayer was the darkest album Yes ever recorded. Gates was huge, heavy and devasting. Soundchaser, ostensibly the album's most upbeat number, still has an unsettling tone to it, and even To Be Over is suggestive of mortality, at least to me. In contrast, a lot of the stuff on Drama is bouncy and upbeat in comparison, such as Does It Really Happen and Tempus Fugit.
I have to confess that I HATED 'Drama' when it came out (I was devasted when my beloved YES became The Yeggles) and after one listen I binned it,literaly! the other day I signed up to Spotify and listened again to 'Drama',first time in 29 years,and either I'm getting old,which I am,and therefore losing it somewhat,or it's not that bad an album?
Drama is one of Yes' most controversial albums because of the absence of Rick and even more so, Jon. IMHO, it was released under the name "Yes," so I have to consider it a Yes album, in spite of Jon's absence. In spite of that, I have had a tendency to neglect it over the years. However, the album certainly has its fans, and fresh blood brought by Horn and Downes gives it a different sound and a different feel. My fave track from it is Run Through the Light, but Machine Messiah and Tempus Fugit are excellent and more "Yessish" to most fans' tastes. I also have a soft spot for "Man in a White Car" because I have a white car. I just wish more of Drama had been played on the In The Present Tour instead of some of the stuff that the guys have played to death in concert (such as anything from Fragile, The Yes Album, or Close to the Edge). Still, we got two songs from it, which realistically is two more than I ever expected to hear in concert.
Scooty
05-04-2009, 01:01 AM
It's a fantastic Yes Album.
Easily in my top 5 for it's energy, crisp production, killer playing and all around attitude...this is Yes' (no other way to say it) F you to Jon and Rick and proved that Yes could rock and adapt for the 80's.
Chris, Steve and Alan are tighter than they have ever been and Chris' vocals being brought to the fore showed how important his contribution is.
I wasn't old enough to understand the Drama around Drama but this album has seriosly HUGE balls, direction and determination which Yes was lacking with the evidence being clearly shown in the Paris sessions and with a lot of Tormato.
It's more of a Yes album than OYE or any of the Rabin stuff.
TOBYSGRAPHICGOKART
05-04-2009, 08:33 AM
It's more of a Yes album than OYE or any of the Rabin stuff.
Absolutely. It's quite ironic that the one "Yes" album WITHOUT Jon is actually much closer to the real deal than the Rabin/Sherwood stuff WITH Jon. (Even though it's still not!)
rmig68
05-04-2009, 09:05 AM
I've always liked it, and have always considered it a Yes album through and through. To me, it was kind of an 80's Fragile. Not that I'm putting it on that scale, but the length of songs, the accesibility, the driving bass reminded me more of Fragile than, say Tales or GFTO.
bjlevine
05-04-2009, 09:28 AM
It has one very good song (Tempus Fugit).
One totally awesome (Machine Messiah).
And the rest fairly forgettable.
Without Jon (and Wakey) I could never really regard it as a proper Yes album.
Even so,it still didn't prepare me for what was to follow though.http://www.yesfans.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Hmm...I wouldn't consider Does It Really Happen as forgettable. Great Squire song that was written during the Anderson-Wakeman years. Into the Lens is also a nice song that only suffers in that it doesn't really develop during the song, but mostly repeats themes. I didn't (and still don't) care for Run Through The Light, which was the first track I heard off the album (making me prepared to hate it). Frankly, it was a more accessible album for me at the time than Tormato was (though I've grown to really like most of Tormato).
Hmm...I wouldn't consider Does It Really Happen as forgettable. Great Squire song that was written during the Anderson-Wakeman years.
:thumbup: Best track on the album IMO.
rmig68
05-04-2009, 09:46 AM
I like "Run Through the Light" I love the mandolin at times and some of Howe's heavy rock string bending at times. I also liked the fat bass sound Trevor gets, but for me the ending is kinda nice. It trails off with everyone kinda going into the sunset led by the bass and Howe's accompanying atmospheric guitar work. I love Howe's tone there, and throughout this album.
the greenman
05-04-2009, 10:43 AM
I'm a big fan of Drama - there was something in the interplay of Downes & Howe that rejuvenated Howe & led to some of his best licks in a while. While Squire & White also seemed to 'kick up a gear' (maybe it was knowing Horn was also a bass player..)
so maybe that says we shouldnt fear an HSW+2 'yes' album & to be totally schizophrenic (cos I'm having a 'Jon' renaissance as well) some of his latter songwriting for Yes has, I have to admit, been a bit soppy..without reaching the ethereal heights of yesteryear..
a little edit to add that lyrically some of drama I find a bit weak, reflecting TH's continuing obsession with computers & technology...but musically it's right there..
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