Bill Bruford - Wikipedia italian section

[Igor80]

Dear Yesfriends,

while I was having a break at work I travelled through the net in order to research some information about the greatest drummer of all time, Bill Bruford, and this is what I found on the Italian section of Wikipedia:

"Per quanto indubbiamente preparato, in particolare sui ritmi polimetrici, Bill Bruford non è uno dei grandi virtuosi dello strumento dal punto di vista squisitamente tecnico"

translation:

"Notwithstanding his musical knowledge, particularly in the multimetrical rhythms, Bill Bruford is NOT one of the greatest drums' virtuosos by a purely technical point of view"..

I apology if the translation has some defects, but I found this comment absolutely incomprehensible: probably who writes such a blasphemy should get a better knowledge of who Bill Bruford is and his masterful technique..

What do you think about it?!?!

Bye :drummer: :beerchugr:

[Imperatrix]

I think that right now I am very embarrassed to be a Wop.

[YesCarolinita]

Dear Yesfriends,

while I was having a break at work I travelled through the net in order to research some information about the greatest drummer of all time, Bill Bruford, and this is what I found on the Italian section of Wikipedia:

"Per quanto indubbiamente preparato, in particolare sui ritmi polimetrici, Bill Bruford non è uno dei grandi virtuosi dello strumento dal punto di vista squisitamente tecnico"

translation:

"Notwithstanding his musical knowledge, particularly in the multimetrical rhythms, Bill Bruford is NOT one of the greatest drums' virtuosos by a purely technical point of view"..

I apology if the translation has some defects, but I found this comment absolutely incomprehensible: probably who writes such a blasphemy should get a better knowledge of who Bill Bruford is and his masterful technique..

What do you think about it?!?!

Bye :drummer: :beerchugr:

I think ANYONE can enter data on Wikipedia-but you must reference your source. I use this site often -most of the time the information is valid. Whoever wrote this has an agenda for another drummer, FOR SURE!

[YesCarolinita]

I think that right now I am very embarrassed to be a Wop.

Hi Tasia,

I never knew you came from Italy With Out Papers?
Did you come through Ellis Island?

[float_your_climb]

This is from Grove Music Online/ The New Grove Dictionary of Jazz, 2nd Edition:

Bruford, Bill [William Scott]

(b Sevenoaks, England, 17 May 1949). English drummer. He listened extensively to American jazz as a youth and was later influenced by Graham Bond. In 1968 he formed the rock group Yes with the singer Jon Anderson and the electric bass guitarist Chris Squire; the ensemble’s use of unusual and rapidly changing meters (suggesting the influence of Don Ellis) became highly popular. Thereafter Bruford worked with other rock groups, including King Crimson (1972–5), Gong, and Genesis. From 1978 to 1980 he led a jazz-rock band, Bruford, with Allan Holdsworth, Jeff Berlin, and the keyboard player Dave Stewart; the ensemble toured internationally and recorded three highly acclaimed albums drawing variously on the elements of bop, modal jazz, popular ballads, art rock, hard rock, and non-Western folk music, all tied together through elaborately crafted arrangements. Later Bruford worked again with King Crimson (1980–84) and in a duo with the keyboard player Patrick Moraz. He was also a member of the jazz-rock group led by David Torn, with whom he recorded in 1986, and worked as a studio musician with Jamaaladeen Tacuma and Al Di Meola (both 1983) and Kazumi Watanabe (with whom he recorded two jazz-funk albums in 1987–8). From 1986 he led his own quartet, Earthworks, with Django Bates, Iain Ballamy, and Mick Hutton; the electric bass guitarist Tim Harries replaced Hutton in the late 1980s, and Bates left the group in 1994. While remaining busy with Earthworks in the 1990s, Bruford participated in an international reunion tour with Yes (1991). He recorded in a trio with Ralph Towner and Eddie Gomez in 1997, and in 1998 recorded and toured the USA in the band Bruford Levin Upper Extremities, with Chris Botti on trumpet and flugelhorn, Torn on guitar, and Tony Levin on Chapman stick (an electric stringed instrument spanning the range from bass guitar to guitar). He is the author of When in Doubt, Roll! (Milwaukee, 1988), which includes his commentary on transcriptions of his performances.




Bibliography

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Freff: “Crimson: Organizing Conflict in Time and Space,” Musician, no.70 (1984), 28

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M. Gilbert: “Bill Bruford: Feels Good to Me,” The Blackwell Guide to Recorded Jazz, ed. B. Kernfeld (Oxford, and Cambridge, MA, 1991, rev. 2/1995), 491

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<http://www.tohu-bohu.com/bruford/discog.html> (1998) [discography]

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Bill Milkowski/Barry Kernfeld

[Imperatrix]

Hi Tasia,

I never knew you came from Italy With Out Papers?
Did you come through Ellis Island?

My family did. I guess that makes me illegal...oh, da sins of da faddahs...:winknudge:

[BeyondZero]

I suppose technically speaking, Bill isn't the greatest drummer ever, although I'd put him very high on the list. This is partially due to the fact that he learned on his own and has developed a technique which isn't traditional. That being said, he has learned a great deal on his own and developed his technique within his own style. I can see how someone could say that he isn't the greatest technically, although I'm not sure why it would bother being mentioned.

He's my favourite ever. So creative and emotionally in tune with the music he's playing.

Have any of you listened to Gordian Knot? It's a band formed by the bassist from Cynic (tech-metal band from Florida) with Bruford on drums. Quite an interesting project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot_%28band%29

[Sheerah]

I love Bill Bruford's drumming. But how do you guage who the greatest drummer is? Right now I think my favorite drummer is Gavin Harrison.

[Imperatrix]

I suppose technically speaking, Bill isn't the greatest drummer ever, although I'd put him very high on the list. This is partially due to the fact that he learned on his own and has developed a technique which isn't traditional. That being said, he has learned a great deal on his own and developed his technique within his own style. I can see how someone could say that he isn't the greatest technically, although I'm not sure why it would bother being mentioned.

He's my favourite ever. So creative and emotionally in tune with the music he's playing.

Have any of you listened to Gordian Knot? It's a band formed by the bassist from Cynic (tech-metal band from Florida) with Bruford on drums. Quite an interesting project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot_%28band%29

Yes, I have heard GK. Sean Malone and CybrKhatru (my old man) were buddies at USF.