Eddie Jobson in Yes

[Sonoacustico]

Hello!
As you might know, Eddie Jobson was in the band for a short time in the days of 90125. I have a question for you (I don't know the answer of a good source). I've heard some demos recorded by Rabin an the other guys of those days, and there is a demo called "FOOLS" (the ideas in that demo were included in the song HEARTS), and in the beginning section of the demo, there is a keyboard intro that I would swear that is played by Eddie Jobson. I know Eddie didn't enter the studio with the guys, but those demos are rehearsal-room-demos quality. Have you heard that demo? Do you also think that's Eddie playing (at least) the intro? please let me know if you know that information from a good source.

greetings from Chile!!!!

Claudio

PS:I could upload the section of the demo that I am talking about if you ask me to do so :)

[Jackaranda]

I've always heard that Rabin played the vast majority of keyboards on the album, with Tony Kaye contributing the rest. That apparently was Horn's call.

Jobson was considered because Kaye couldn't decide if he wanted to be in the band or not....At least that's the scoop I got...

[Sonoacustico]

Yes, that's true, but, you might listen to it, It is the VERY SAME synth sound and the chords are FAR TOO strange for Rabin or Kaye, but Jobson's TRADEMARK sounds...

[ycantibu]

To the best of my knowledge, that demo was recorded prior to Rabin meeting up with Squire, White or Jobson.

[Sonoacustico]

mmmmm very interesting... any chance for someone after that, might have add the keyboard intro??? I might bet my head that Eddie Jobson played that keyboard intro... :)

thanks!

[ycantibu]

I doubt it. Rabin is a fantastic pianist anyhoo and he did the instruments on his demos. I also seem to recall Cinema thinking Jobson was a bit of a primadonna!

[Ascend_Create]

Interesting. He grafted that song wholesale. I always liked that part in Hearts when they started rocking it out. As to whether Jobson did the keyboard, I have no idea.

[fovman]

Trevor Horn also played keys in the studio for 90125

[PO]

Cinderella must have a copy of this.

[smatt]

To the best of my knowledge, none of the seesions Jobson sat in on were ever recorded. I would highly doubt that intro was Jobson Claudio. The timing just isn't right......

[cinderella]

Cinderella must have a copy of this.

No actually I don't. I've never heard it. I have lots of Trevor's demos, but none called Fools.


there is a demo called "FOOLS" (the ideas in that demo were included in the song HEARTS), and in the beginning section of the demo, there is a keyboard intro that I would swear that is played by Eddie Jobson. I know Eddie didn't enter the studio with the guys, but those demos are rehearsal-room-demos quality. please let me know if you know that information from a good source.


The information I learned came from the best source.

Trevor Rabin said that the song Hearts was a collaboration all the way around. He wrote the bridge and chorous for it 2 months before he met Chris Squire. Tony Kaye wrote the intro, and Trevor (Rabin) wrote the melody on top of that, and Jon wrote the counter melody ("See me"....)

Trevor says Jon still has a soft spot for Hearts and that it shows up in a lot of his solo work, but he says he doesn't mind, "Keep those checks rolling!"


Eddie Jobson was nowhere to be found. He never joined Cinema/Yes and didn't touch a keyboard.

Here's a quote from Chris Squire during an interview.

"Yeah there was very brief period where we were looking at working with Eddie, the ironic thing that happened was that the only thing he did do with us was that he appeared in the “Owner Of a Lonely Heart” video (laughs), he was in the video but we never played with him ever (laughs)."

You can read Chris' interview here.

http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/Interviews04/ChrisSquire04.htm

[Steve St Thomas]

Hello!
As you might know, Eddie Jobson was in the band for a short time in the days of 90125. I have a question for you (I don't know the answer of a good source). I've heard some demos recorded by Rabin an the other guys of those days, and there is a demo called "FOOLS" (the ideas in that demo were included in the song HEARTS), and in the beginning section of the demo, there is a keyboard intro that I would swear that is played by Eddie Jobson. I know Eddie didn't enter the studio with the guys, but those demos are rehearsal-room-demos quality. Have you heard that demo? Do you also think that's Eddie playing (at least) the intro? please let me know if you know that information from a good source.

greetings from Chile!!!!

Claudio

PS:I could upload the section of the demo that I am talking about if you ask me to do so :)

I'd love to hear it, and any other demos from that period! :headset: Of course its a 3 year old post I'm responding to! :¬(

[Steve St Thomas]

I doubt it. Rabin is a fantastic pianist anyhoo and he did the instruments on his demos. I also seem to recall Cinema thinking Jobson was a bit of a primadonna!

Not only Cinema, but John Wetton too!

[Sonoacustico]

wow, this thread is like a dinosaur for me, and one of the first posts I ever wrote on Yesfans! well, it's evident that due to all of the interviews and data mentioned, that Jobson never played with the band, but, if we hear the demo, and think about any possible guy that could have play those parts: Rabin, Kaye, Horn, or even Jobson, the (auditive) conclusion is one and only, with or without Yes, or it is Jobson, or it is a Jobson's clone. I just uploaded the intro of the demo called "Fools" for you to have an opinion based on the sound and then try to figure out what happened. Maybe Rabin got a Jobson demo and put it at the beginning... or maybe it was just the bootlegger...
let's listen: http://www.estigma.cl/fools.mp3
Greetings!

Claudio

[smatt]

It's Rabin!

[cinderella]

Cinderella must have a copy of this.


Hey, you were right Paul. I do have that.

No wonder I didn't recognize the name. It's not called Fools. It's a demo of Trevor's from 1980 called Waiting By The Telephone, and it's got an awesome guitar solo at the end. Cool.

I have 20 of his demos. Shame nothing became of them.

[smatt]

Come on Cinders use your powers of all things Trevor and tell us what you think..... :smurf:

[cinderella]

I have a demo of one of Trevor's songs called Harmony. It's great. They should have used it. It's the first time he mentions the "lonely heart."


Come on Cinders use your powers of all things Trevor and tell us what you think..... :smurf:

Think about what?

[cinderella]

Trevor Charles Rabin !!!!!!!
I demand that you make an album using those demos.

Right NOW!!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/N99%20Smileys/daniimpatient.gif

[Steve St Thomas]

Arrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You're mentioning songs I've never heard of!!!!!

[smatt]

I have a demo of one of Trevor's songs called Harmony. It's great. They should have used it. It's the first time he mentions the "lonely heart."




Think about what?


:thinking: Well the reason for this threads existance in this nether-world of drama and intrigue.... :lol:

Who played the intro keys on the "Wiating byt eh Telephone" demo ;)

[cinderella]

Here's the demos I have.

Make It Easy
I'm With You
Movin' In
Movin' With The Times
Changes
It Ain't Easy Living Without You
Hold On
Waiting By The Telephone
Who Were You With Last Night?
Untitled
Harmony
Tonight's Our Night
Owner Of A Lonely Heart
Can You Feel My Love
Love Doesn't Come Easy
It Is Love
Lonely Girls
Let Me Hear Your Heartbeat
Turn It Up Girl
Love Keeps Coming Around

[cinderella]

:thinking: Well the reason for this threads existance in this nether-world of drama and intrigue.... :lol:

Who played the intro keys on the "Wiating byt eh Telephone" demo ;)


TREVOR!

[smatt]

TREVOR!

CINDERS HAS SPOKEN!


Now Claudio, if you keep argueing Cinders will send you to the corner..... :smurf:

[Steve St Thomas]

Here's the demos I have.

Make It Easy
I'm With You
Movin' In
Movin' With The Times
Changes
It Ain't Easy Living Without You
Hold On
Waiting By The Telephone
Who Were You With Last Night?
Untitled
Harmony
Tonight's Our Night
Owner Of A Lonely Heart
Can You Feel My Love
Love Doesn't Come Easy
It Is Love
Lonely Girls
Let Me Hear Your Heartbeat
Turn It Up Girl
Love Keeps Coming Around

Thanks for the list Cinderella. Some I know by heart, others I've never heard at all. I've bolded the ones totally unfamiliar to me. I'm With You was supposed to be on 90124 wasn't it!

[cinderella]

I'm With You was supposed to be on 90124 wasn't it!


It was. There were 2 versions of 90124. The one released here in the US and another import version which they stopped selling. I never got the import. Too bad. A lot of Trevor's fans missed out on a lot of great songs. I'd have liked to heard the finished polished versions of these songs.

The US version :

Changes
Moving In
Would You Feel My Love
Where Will You Be
Owner Of A Lonely Heart
Walls
Promenade
Love Will Find Away
Miracle Of Life
Cinema

The import version :

1. One Track Mind
2. Hold On
3. It's Enough
4. Changes
5. Love Ain't Easy
6. Moving in
7. Who Were You With Last Night
8. Baby I'm Easy
9. Would You Feel My Love
10. Tonight's Our Night
11. Owner Of A Lonely Heart
12. I'm With You
13. Must Be Love
14. Don't Give In

The song Baby I'm Easy was originally called Love Doesn't Come Easy.

[Steve St Thomas]

The import version totally passed me by as well. In the UK, it was the same tracklisting as the US. Where exactly did the Import originate from?

[cinderella]

The import version totally passed me by as well. In the UK, it was the same tracklisting as the US. Where exactly did the Import originate from?


That I don't know.

I saw it on Amazon and I noticed the track listing was different than the 90124 CD that I had. So I ordered it, but when it arrived I got the same CD I already had. So I sent it back. Amazon said they no longer carried that one. Then I found Townsend Records and sent for it from there. When I got it, it was the same CD I already had. So I sent that one back too. They didn't have it either.

Now that I check back today, they're advertising it again. I'm afraid to try and order it for fear I end up with the copy on 90124 that I already have.

http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/product.php?pId=1079692&pType=music

[Sonoacustico]

CINDERS HAS SPOKEN!

Now Claudio, if you keep argueing Cinders will send you to the corner..... :smurf:


Lol, what I'm asking since the beginning of this thread, is an "official" info about it, but what i hear is a Trademark chord sequence by Jobson, with chord sequences and keyboard effects typical to him, and very different to trevor's style. That's why I doubt that trevor plays it, i dont think it's impossible, I just ask you to listen to it, compare it to the ending part of the "by the light of Day" song in the first UK album, and tell me if that intro in Waiting by telephone is not Jobson's style. BTW the, "fools" name was given to the song by a bootlegger, so I'll stand with Cindy's name.
I can upload that UK excerpt if you dont have it so yo can compare.
Greetings!

Claudio

[cinderella]

The beginning of the song does sound like UK. I have the album UK with By The Light Of Day on it. I can see how you might think Eddie Jobson did it. I really have no "official" proof either way. It also sounds like some of Trevor's earlier stuff he did with his band Rabbitt back in South Africa. I simply remember Trevor saying that he played everything on his demos himself, so I would just assume it's Trevor.

And who knows, Fools might have been another name for that song. I noticed that Trevor has changed a few of the names of his songs before.

[PO]

That intro does have that Yam CS-80 type sound (a Jobson staple keyboard at the time). It is some type of early poly-synth. Jobson, Downes, and Horn were amongst the first to really glom on to these. Wakey pretty much used just the PolyMoog.

Prior to 90125 Jobson was with Tull. The Tull album A has Jobson par excellence. I really would have preferred him with the 90125 band. Rabin would have had a great musical nemesis or counter-balance.

[jimmygtr]

...
Prior to 90125 Jobson was with Tull. The Tull album A has Jobson par excellence. I really would have preferred him with the 90125 band. Rabin would have had a great musical nemesis or counter-balance.

I think Jobson would have lasted an album much like Moraz. Jobson is a bit of Journeyman to me. It strikes me that if they wanted Jobson they could have ask him after Wakey left in 1996.

[PO]

Perhaps. Jobson is a multi-instrumentalist (keys, violin, guitar) and it is difficult to keep him occupied. It's very possible he wouldn't wait for three years just to release a 2nd album. Certainly, the music would have been influenced by Jobson (I think in a good way). He was great with Tull.

Anderson, Rabin, Jobson, Squire, and White would surely have been a band to contend with.

As for 1996, it was an open field. 12 years later nothing was the same. Rabin quit a few years earlier and Howe and Wakeman entered. Then came Sherwood.

[jimmygtr]

Well, I think to an extent Yes has had a lot to do with relationships. White entering had to do with his relationship with Eddie Offord. Sherwood due to his relationship Squire. Jon's relationship with Igor. And I suppose even Brian Lane's relationship with the Buggles and knowledge of Trevor Rabin all were attributing factors,

I don't think Jobson really had a personal investment relationshipwise anyways with the band and that I think might have been a factor.

Who knows? But the speculation is fun. I think if the Trevor/Jobson thing would have been to intense for either of them! I understand Jobson tried to play with Ritchie Blackmore back in 78' and he ran into personality/ego conflicts there as well.

[jimmygtr]

Perhaps. Jobson is a multi-instrumentalist (keys, violin, guitar) and it is difficult to keep him occupied. It's very possible he wouldn't wait for three years just to release a 2nd album. Certainly, the music would have been influenced by Jobson (I think in a good way). He was great with Tull.

Anderson, Rabin, Jobson, Squire, and White would surely have been a band to contend with.

As for 1996, it was an open field. 12 years later nothing was the same. Rabin quit a few years earlier and Howe and Wakeman entered. Then came Sherwood.

BTW, I love The Green Album by Jobson. Very cool!

[cinderella]

Here's a picture of Eddie with Frank Zappa. He looks sort of girly. Hee-hee!
I know off topic again, I just couldn't resist.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/Goodies/austin_music_feature1-3.jpg

[Sonoacustico]

Nice pic Cindy,
it's also nice to note that the first one from L to R is no other than UK's Terry Bozzio.

greetings

Claudio

[PO]

From Left to Right, I believe that's:

Terry Bozzio, Patrick O'hearn, Zappa, and Jobson. Not a slouch in the bunch.

[cinderella]

Yep that's the line up. Who's Patrick O'hearn? I've seen him many times before. I recognized the face immediately but didn't ever know his name. Great group of musicians. :D

[kmcpro615]

Yep that's the line up. Who's Patrick O'hearn? I've seen him many times before. I recognized the face immediately but didn't ever know his name. Great group of musicians. :D

Terry Bozzio's mug looks an awful lot like your avatar Cindy. Coincidence? I think not !!!

KMCc:)

[kmcpro615]

From Left to Right, I believe that's:

Terry Bozzio, Patrick O'hearn, Zappa, and Jobson. Not a slouch in the bunch.

I beg to differ. What has Zappa done lately?

KMCc:)

[MoonGateClimber]

Here's a picture of Eddie with Frank Zappa. He looks sort of girly. Hee-hee!
I know off topic again, I just couldn't resist.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/Goodies/austin_music_feature1-3.jpg
Cinders, this may be a stupid question, but whitch one is Eddie? They all look sorta girly, except Zappa... The one on the far left has boobs for goodness sake! :eeek:

[rahtreelimbs]

The original lineup of U.K.! What a force to be reckon with!


In The Dead Of Night...........one of my a time favorite prog songs!!!

[cinderella]

Cinders, this may be a stupid question, but whitch one is Eddie? They all look sorta girly, except Zappa... The one on the far left has boobs for goodness sake! :eeek:

LOL!!! They do all look feminine don't they. Not Frank but the others. Eddie is on the far right, Harrison. :D

[cinderella]

Terry Bozzio's mug looks an awful lot like your avatar Cindy. Coincidence? I think not !!!

KMCc:)

LOL!! You caught me. :lmao:

[MoonGateClimber]

They do all look feminine don't they. Not Frank but the others. Eddie is on the far right.
Thanks Cindy, but I should have read the reast of the thread!

[cinderella]

I'm sorry to say that I have completely hijacked this thread. Forgive me Claudio. :D

[Orbert]

But Terry Bozzio is so cute.

I'm so cute!
I'm so cute!
I'm so cute!
I'm so cute!
I'm so cute!
I'm so cute!
I'm so cute!

And yeah, he does seem to have breasts there or something. I really hope that's just the way his shirt is wrinkled.

I recognized Terry on the left and Eddie on the right, but wouldn't know Patrick O'Hearn. He was with Frank in the late 70's, around Zoot Allures through Sheik Yerbouti or so.

[PO]

I beg to differ. What has Zappa done lately?

KMCc:)

If that was a joke, it isn't too cool. Frank died about 10 years ago, but most of us wouldn't be able to catch him if we had the next 50 years.

That pic was late 70s. They were doing all kinds of wierd things (because they could!). The others went on to form Missing Persons and UK(?).

[Andy56]

Interesting thread this and creates an interesting link between two of my favourite bands 'Yes' and 'Curved Air'. Jobson's first major role was in Curved Air when he replaced Darryl Way on violin and Fancis Monkman on Keyboards.

After three brilliant albums, Air Conditioning, Second Album and Phantasmagoria, Darryl Way and Francis Monkman quit the band. Jobson joined to replace Way on violin and Monkman on Keyboards (Monkman's guitar work was handled by a guitar player called 'Kirby' whom I've never heard of since). Jobson appeared on the Air Cut album which has some good parts but was slammed at the time by critics and fans. His violin playing was never up to Way's IMO.

Next thing I heard of Jobson was he ended up in Roxy Music - after that I kind of lost interest - strange to think he could have ended up in Yes.

[Steve St Thomas]

Yep that's the line up. Who's Patrick O'hearn? I've seen him many times before. I recognized the face immediately but didn't ever know his name. Great group of musicians. :D

Terry Bozzio got Patrick into Zappa's band. I guess O'Hearn was one of Bozzio's oldest friends, and he seriously pushed to get O'Hearn in Zappa's band when the chance came -- around the time of ZOOT ALLURES, where that photo session comes from in 1976. O'Hearn is funny as hell, and kickass Bass player. Even though neither Jobson or O'Hearn play on ZOOT ALLURES, it's ''frankly'' just Zappa and Bozzio. Which is kinda funny, because Jobson's in the Owner Video, but nowhere on the album. He's pictured on the cover of Zoot Allures, but is nowhere on the album. Jobson's got a strange habit of doing that!!!!! O'Hearn joined Bozzio when he formed Missing Persons, but I think he dropped out quite quickly.

[Steve St Thomas]

Patrick O'Hearn website:
http://www.patrickohearn.com/

[Steve St Thomas]

Well, I think to an extent Yes has had a lot to do with relationships. White entering had to do with his relationship with Eddie Offord. Sherwood due to his relationship Squire. Jon's relationship with Igor. And I suppose even Brian Lane's relationship with the Buggles and knowledge of Trevor Rabin all were attributing factors,

I don't think Jobson really had a personal investment relationshipwise anyways with the band and that I think might have been a factor.

Who knows? But the speculation is fun. I think if the Trevor/Jobson thing would have been to intense for either of them! I understand Jobson tried to play with Ritchie Blackmore back in 78' and he ran into personality/ego conflicts there as well.

I just don't think Jobson would fit in. I don't know why. Blackmore's just an idiot anyway, I have no problems saying that whatsoever, and I'd tell it to him to his face. I don't know much about Jobson, even though I have ''A'', ''U.K.'', and ''Danger Money'' to make me familiar enough with his playing style, and Carrying No Cross is definitely a keyboard experience. That's some serious playing.

I still have to listen to ''FOOLS'' - just waiting for a spare moment to really listen to it.

[Steve St Thomas]

DAMN! Can't listen to Fools. MP3 requires CODEC 55 to play. Found Codec 55 (which isn't offered at Windows Media official!!???!!!), you have to go searching around the Net for it, but its a separate file. You can download it, but not install it, not the way these PC's are configured. There's a story there, but let's just say, I won't be hearing this Mp3 soon!

[Sonoacustico]

I'm sorry to say that I have completely hijacked this thread. Forgive me Claudio. :D


LOL, I will seriously consider it before starting any rabin related thread again! LOL!

greetings!

Claudio

[Sonoacustico]

DAMN! Can't listen to Fools. MP3 requires CODEC 55 to play. Found Codec 55 (which isn't offered at Windows Media official!!???!!!), you have to go searching around the Net for it, but its a separate file. You can download it, but not install it, not the way these PC's are configured. There's a story there, but let's just say, I won't be hearing this Mp3 soon!

Maybe you should try Winamp (http://www.winamp.com) Steve, I believe it's the best painless wy to get the necessary codecs and a good player to play mp3 files.

Greetings!

Claudio

[Steve St Thomas]

Maybe you should try Winamp (http://www.winamp.com) Steve, I believe it's the best painless wy to get the necessary codecs and a good player to play mp3 files.

Greetings!

Claudio

Good ol' WINAMP! Man, I haven't used that in years ----- I'll give it a go. Funny, I used to swear by it a couple of years ago, and then modern company policy totally took away any sound priviliges. Now we have sound back, but can't install anything, hence the CODEC problem. I'll see if winamp helps, or if i can get past it . . .

Thanks for the tip

[kmcpro615]

If that was a joke, it isn't too cool. Frank died about 10 years ago, but most of us wouldn't be able to catch him if we had the next 50 years.

That pic was late 70s. They were doing all kinds of wierd things (because they could!). The others went on to form Missing Persons and UK(?).

Oh excuse me. I forgot I was talking to the inventor of sensitivity.

Yes...of course it was a joke. Ironic humor is my specialty, if you haven't caught on yet. I personally think Zappa would have approved of my comment.

KMCc:)
www.kurtmichaels.com

[PO]

:shrug:

[Orbert]

The others went on to form Missing Persons and UK(?).When Bill Bruford left UK and Terry Bozzio joined, I always figured the connection was that Eddie and Terry had worked together before, with Frank. Some "serious progheads" had some trouble with UK being two-thirds former Zappa personnel, but I never had a problem with it. Zappa did not hire any slouches, and I would consider a stint or two with Frank on anyone's resume to be a plus, not a minus.

[jimmygtr]

I just don't think Jobson would fit in. I don't know why. Blackmore's just an idiot anyway, I have no problems saying that whatsoever, and I'd tell it to him to his face. I don't know much about Jobson, even though I have ''A'', ''U.K.'', and ''Danger Money'' to make me familiar enough with his playing style, and Carrying No Cross is definitely a keyboard experience. That's some serious playing...

Don't disagree with anything you stated. It's just an observation to me that Jobson seems to be a bit of Journeyman in the biz.

[kmcpro615]

When Bill Bruford left UK and Terry Bozzio joined, I always figured the connection was that Eddie and Terry had worked together before, with Frank. Some "serious progheads" had some trouble with UK being two-thirds former Zappa personnel, but I never had a problem with it. Zappa did not hire any slouches, and I would consider a stint or two with Frank on anyone's resume to be a plus, not a minus.

How progressive could any "serious proghead" be, that doesn't respect the many distinguished Zappa alumnus that have blessed us with such great music?

Dare I say it, the writing & arrangements on Zappa recordings Jobson & Bozzio were associated with, was WAY more progressive than anything UK ever came up with. UK is a pimple on the a$$ of prog music, and Zappa is probably gonna go down in history as one of the great & innovative composers of the 20th century, if he's not already there.........

KMCc:)
www.kurtmichaels.com

[Steve St Thomas]

Don't disagree with anything you stated. It's just an observation to me that Jobson seems to be a bit of Journeyman in the biz.

Yep --- totally agreed with that. Sorry, I should've said that in reply, that I agreed with you. I've never seen him stay in one place for too long.

[Orbert]

How progressive could any "serious proghead" be, that doesn't respect the many distinguished Zappa alumnus that have blessed us with such great music?

Dare I say it, the writing & arrangements on Zappa recordings Jobson & Bozzio were associated with, was WAY more progressive than anything UK ever came up with. UK is a pimple on the a$$ of prog music, and Zappa is probably gonna go down in history as one of the great & innovative composers of the 20th century, if he's not already there.........

KMCc:)Oh, I agree with you. It was a long time ago, and now that I think about it, it was in the dorms, so my memory is kinda smoky, I mean cloudy... or foggy... whatever. But I do remember when U.K. got together, put out the one album, then halfway broke up and reformed to put out Danger Money. I thought it was kinda cool that Terry Bozzio had even attempted to fill in Bruford's shoes. I only knew Terry from Sheik Yerbouti at the time, but my roommate pointed out that he'd played with Eddie in the Zoot Allures band as well. These other guys who were hanging out with us just started laughing. "They played with Frank Zappa? What a ****ing joke! How good could they be, then?" Obviously, these guys didn't think much of Frank and, by association, anyone who'd played with him. But they had taken to hanging out in our dorm room because we always had Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, that kind of stuff playing, so I guess I thought of them as progheads. It occurs to me now that they probably just hung out to hit the bong with us and listen to the tunes.

[Steve St Thomas]

HEY! Heard FOOLS. (Windows Media Player 4 had no problem with codecs.)

Man I wish they had just stayed as Cinema. Honest. ;) ;P
I don't think that's Jobson.

[cinderella]

Man I wish they had just stayed as Cinema. Honest. ;) ;P
I don't think that's Jobson.

Amen to that. Darn that Jon Anderson!! He should have left them alone.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/N99%20Smileys/ohwell.gif

[Steve St Thomas]

Amen to that. Darn that Jon Anderson!! He should have left them alone.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/N99%20Smileys/ohwell.gif

Haha --- I didn't mean to mean that. Honest! I know it sounds that way. Damn!! I mean Darn! ;)

[cinderella]

I know, I'm only joking. (I think.) ;)

[Steve St Thomas]

I know, I'm only joking. (I think.) ;)

Yea me too. At least I'm pretty sure.

Cinema . . ..

[smatt]

LALALALALA I can't hear you 2.. LALALALALA

:lmao:

[cinderella]

I'd have preferred Trevor's version of Owner Of A Lonely Heart and Trevor's Changes and Trevor's Hold On etc. I would have preferred all Trevor's vocals to Jon's. I wish they would have been left alone, I wish there had been a Cinema.

Sorry, I'm an evil woman. Just keep those fingers in your ears Matt. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/N99%20Smileys/maiklala.gif

[Steve St Thomas]

LALALALALA I can't hear you 2.. LALALALALA

:lmao:

That made me laugh out loud. Very loud.

[Steve St Thomas]

I'd have preferred Trevor's version of Owner Of A Lonely Heart and Trevor's Changes and Trevor's Hold On etc. I would have preferred all Trevor's vocals to Jon's. I wish they would have been left alone, I wish there had been a Cinema.

Sorry, I'm an evil woman. Just keep those fingers in your ears Matt. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/N99%20Smileys/maiklala.gif

I HAVE to agree with you on Owner of a Lonely Heart. It has a bridge/chorus section (that maybe could have been shortened up) that's just as good as the final version. I've always felt that way about the verses of Cinema's It Can Happen as opposed to the Yes version. The verses of the Squire/Rabin It Can Happen are just meaner. I like all the atmospherics of the final version, but there was always something about the Cinema version I liked better. I would have liked to have heard it with the 90125 production behind it.

Undecided about Hold On though. Certain aspects of the original, yes. I mean, well you know what I mean when I say yes but not referring to Yes. I like what they ended up with, but the thing with the 90125 songs and Anderson's involvement is, I see the lyrical ones, but as far as how those songs were going, they were already all there.

I've been meaning to ask you Cindy, what do you think of Trevor's first album? I know its called Beginnings again, but for a little while One Way Records had it just as Trevor Rabin. Even though the sound quality isn't great (he didn't have the finances), I have to say its my favourite pre-Can't Look Away Rabin album. There are some songs on there that are brilliant, but my particular favourite is Love Life. That just has to be one of the catchiest things I've heard him write, which is introduced by music that wouldn't have sounded out of place with Yes. I guess thats what I mean about people knocking the guy. I've heard what he does, and he had everything there that they want, or wanted. As far as his musical skills and classical dexterity. He just mixed it with an innate sense of Hooks.

My other favourites have to be Live A Bit, Fantasy, Finding Me A Way Back Home, Red Desert. Their all great, even without production.

[cinderella]

I love Beginnings. I like the guitars in Getting To Know You Better. I use that as my exercise song. I love Fantasy, Stay With Me, Painted Picture, and Finding Me A Way Back Home. It's a great album. I have it on CD, and I have it on vinyl too. I also have the Trevor Rabin copy on vinyl too.

I have Face To Face, but it's my least favorite of his solo albums. I have a copy of that on vinyl and another on CD. Different album covers though.

My favorite is his album Wolf. Heard You Cry Wolf, Open Ended, and Pain are some my favorites, but my most favorite song from that album is Stop Turn. I have Wolf on vinyl and CD.

There's a song on the Wolf album called Take Me To A Party. It's hilarious.
I love the words.

Standing in the bathroom with a head full of pain
I look towards the mirror and I still can't remember my name.
I tighten up my underwear, I tighten up my shoes
I stroll to the front door, I feel I just can't lose.


I have all the Rabbitt albums. I need to get those on CD.
I like Rabbitt's version of Tull's Locomotive Breath. It was a #1 single for Rabbitt in South Africa way back around 1976.

[Steve St Thomas]

Painted Picture is really nice as well. I like the whole album. There's some great ideas all over it. I sometimes imagine it with Can't Look Away production, and there's nothing that gets in the way of how good those songs are even without that standard.

I'm steadily securing a vinyl copy of both Beginnings and Face To Face.

Face to Face was just a recent find. It just completely seemed to disappear from the shops for awhile. I couldn't find it anywhere! Not even Amazon. Just got it a little while ago actually, and I have to agree with you. The money is there on that one (even though he had to cut back in the end - they sent him to South Africa to finish an album he started in London for ''costs''), and there's great ideas on it. There's one song on there he could've written for Meatloaf, I swear! I'll have to bring it in with me -- we'll start a thread about Trevor's first solo albums ;)

See now WOLF to my ears is a compromise album. I think they were really trying to get him soemwhere with that one, the guest stars, the producer (Ray Davies of the Kinks), and the music is let's say 'simplified'. Now apart from She's Easy - which I know he has to cringe about inside - there's a lot of good tracks on there, especially the ones you mentioned -- those are my favourites as well, particularly Heard You Cry Wolf. (The live version's great init --- it was Can't Look Awayed and it sounded 10x better). But I've always felt it wasn't really Rabin. It was him, and I know they were probably trying to get him some success, but to me, that was on his 1st solo album! That's where the money should've went!

I have Boys Will Be Boys, and I know I hear things in there that he'd do later. It's all there. When I first heard it, I just kind of smiled, because there were moments on there I could hear being on Can't Look Away. Savage is my favourite, and Locomotive Breath is really interesting what they did with it. They didn't change it too much, but their's interesting guitar stuff done over the main riff. I own it on vinyl still, not CD as of yet either. A Grunt .... I stil have to get, on both media if possible! I've seen it on CD a couple of times, but being a man and buying an album with that cover on it, is a bit, o I don't know. It's slightly more suggestive than Going For The One!!! HAHAHAHA. Nah, I'll get it once I get over my issues.

[cinderella]

A Grunt .... I stil have to get, on both media if possible! I've seen it on CD a couple of times, but being a man and buying an album with that cover on it, is a bit, o I don't know. It's slightly more suggestive than Going For The One!!! HAHAHAHA. Nah, I'll get it once I get over my issues.

LOL!!! That was my avatar for a good while when I first joined Yesfans.
The women loved it, the guys here however were very glad when I finally got rid of naked Trevor. :lmao:

[Steve St Thomas]

LOL!!! That was my avatar for a good while when I first joined Yesfans.
The women loved it, the guys here however were very glad when I finally got rid of naked Trevor. :lmao:

I can see exactly why some were squirming. I picked it up in a Virgin record store a week or two ago, and I actually DIDN'T buy it, based on I couldn't bring it up to the counter! Sad isn't it. I tend to think I'm a modern man, liberal, with no such issues. Oops, I was wrong.

[VanDerGraaf]

Regarding the MP3, yes, i hear the tonal similarity to the Jobson-style synth sounds, but not really enough to believe it's him- the harmonic/chordal sophistication just isn't there. Pretty sure that's Trevor.
80's Yes wasn't big enough for Jobson and Rabin in my opinion- both artists carry a lot more firepower than their primary "weapons" suggest.
I can imagine Ritchie Blackmore being pissed off at Jobson largely due to his ability to blow Blackmore away on the speed playing factor! (And a lot else).

Cinders is right in a way about Yes; i would have loved Cinema to exist for a good few years, and for Yes then to have come roaring back in the '90s.....

[jimmygtr]

Regarding the MP3, yes, i hear the tonal similarity to the Jobson-style synth sounds, but not really enough to believe it's him- the harmonic/chordal sophistication just isn't there. Pretty sure that's Trevor.
80's Yes wasn't big enough for Jobson and Rabin in my opinion- both artists carry a lot more firepower than their primary "weapons" suggest.

Most 80's sounding synths sound the same to me.


I can imagine Ritchie Blackmore being pissed off at Jobson largely due to his ability to blow Blackmore away on the speed playing factor! (And a lot else).....

According to Ronnie James Dio it was Jobson's violin playing that got him tossed. (like you said speed playing factor I would imagaine)

[VanDerGraaf]

I've got a lot of time for Jobson, much rather have seen him in Yes than......well, i won't name names.....

[cinderella]

Cinders is right in a way about Yes; i would have loved Cinema to exist for a good few years, and for Yes then to have come roaring back in the '90s.....

Yeah that would have been a good idea.

[Steve St Thomas]

I've got a lot of time for Jobson, much rather have seen him in Yes than......well, i won't name names.....

Queen Elizabeth?
Rolf Harris?
Beyonce Knowles?
Michael Palin? and/or Eric Idle?

Who, who, who? ;)

[Steve St Thomas]

Just listening to FACETOFACE now Cin. I'll let you know what song I think could've easily been given to Meatloaf. But I know my favourites from this album are The Wanderer and The Ripper. Better production than on his first solo album, but that 1st album is just killer as far as material.

[cinderella]

Just listening to FACETOFACE now Cin. I'll let you know what song I think could've easily been given to Meatloaf.

I think I know but I'll let you tell me. :headset:

[Steve St Thomas]

I think I know but I'll let you tell me. :headset:

Crap! The pressure now! What if I'm wrong!!! Okay --- well it ain't Don't You Ever Lose, even though the background female vocals could easily go to a Meatloaf album. It's not that one.

[Steve St Thomas]

Up to The Wanderer now, and I think this song's great. But it's not this one.

[Steve St Thomas]

And I just realised this thread has quite drifted away from being about Eddie Jobson, and is now about Trevor Rabin!

[Steve St Thomas]

The song is called . . . . . . .


Now


Meatloaf could easily do this song.

[Steve St Thomas]

But it's also great because the background vocals are exactly what he'd do later with Cinemayes. I mean Yesinema. I mean, that band he joined that turned into that other band.

[cinderella]

Hee-hee! Gotcha!

I knew you were going to say Now was the song.

[Steve St Thomas]

Hee-hee! Gotcha!

I knew you were going to say Now was the song.

:wall:

[Steve St Thomas]

Okay now Cin, a full on FACETOFACE talk session shall be done in the future. What I want to know is, how many versions of Beginnings / Trevor Rabin do you own? I know there were variants, but I've never seen the ''other'' option presented.

Version 1: Released as BEGINNINGS in South Africa
1. Getting to Know You Better
2. Stay with Me
3. I Love You
4. Love Alone
5. Lovelife
6. Fantasy
7. Painted Picture
8. Could There Be
9. Live a Bit
10. Red Desert

Version 2: Released as TREVOR RABIN
1. Getting to Know You Better 4:03
2. Finding Me a Way Back Home 4:49
3. All I Want is Your Love 3:38
4. Live a Bit 4:55
5. Fantasy 3:19
6. Stay with Me 3:49
7. Red Desert 3:52
8. Painted Picture 3:33
9. Love Life 4:03

When Voiceprint issued it as BEGINNINGS, they re-named it Version 1
but released Version 2. So which ones do you own? Huh?Huh?

[cinderella]

I have Beginnings on vinyl and CD.

1. Getting to Know You Better
2. Finding Me a Way Back Home
3. All I Want is Your Love
4. Live a Bit
5. Fantasy
6. Stay with Me
7. Red Desert
8. Painted Picture
9. Love Life

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/Goodies/Trevor-Rabin-Beginnings.jpg


I only have the Trevor Rabin album on vinyl.
I can't check the line up of songs because it's not with me now. It's still in storage.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/Goodies/TR-TR.jpg

[Steve St Thomas]

So your vinyl BEGINNINGS is a re-issue? Or an American version? Do you remember? I'm guessing that the CD is the Voiceprint one.

I think your TREVOR RABIN is going to have the same track listing as that BEGINNINGS, because my ONE WAY RECORDS CD of that album is the same. I've had that one for years. And the vinyl copy of TREVOR RABIN on its way to me is the UK version, with the TREVOR RABIN cover, but I can't tell you the track listing either! I don't know. BUT I also have the actual South African BEGINNINGS on vinyl on its way to me, which I know has the VERSION 1 tracklisting.

I think I just got confused.

[Steve St Thomas]

Silly Voiceprint. I appreciate what they're doing with his catalogue, I really do. But they've made some strange blunders along the way.

[cinderella]

I can't really say. I sent for all of them like 20 years ago. Actually I had to bid on them in a magazine called Goldmine. I didn't get any of them in the US.


Yeah the CD's I got from Voiceprint. I bought all of them and sent in the little stickers that was on the CD. They were supposed to send me a free gift after buying all of them. It was supposed to be something of Trevor's but I've never heard from them. That was July 1st of 2004 so you know I'll never see that free offer.

[Steve St Thomas]

I can't really say. I sent for all of them like 20 years ago. Actually I had to bid on them in a magazine called Goldmine. I didn't get any of them in the US.


Yeah the CD's I got from Voiceprint. I bought all of them and sent in the little stickers that was on the CD. They were supposed to send me a free gift after buying all of them. It was supposed to be something of Trevor's but I've never heard from them. That was July 1st of 2004 so you know I'll never see that free offer.

Yea it turned out to be one song I think. I thought of sending the vouchers in, but I heard things were so slow with the 'getting' I just never bothered. I was too busy trying to figure out the liner notes of 90124. :D

[VanDerGraaf]

Queen Elizabeth?
Rolf Harris?
Beyonce Knowles?
Michael Palin? and/or Eric Idle?

Who, who, who? ;)


Ok, the 70's was the 70's and i would change nothing! But would much rather have seen Jobson in Yes than the many Rick Wakeman re-runs the band seems to go in for. Keeping things fresh. Also if he hadn't been doing Tull at the time he would have kicked a$£ on Drama....

While i've been asleep Trevor has invaded this thread! :security: LOL!
Anyway Trevor and Eddie in Yes would have been like this- :duel: Probably great fun live.

Why don't you show the "naked Trevor" pic again Cinderella? Just for a laugh....

[Steve St Thomas]

Cin, I have a suspicion that I Love You

from BEGINNINGS South Africa (hahahah ;)) could possibly be Finding Me A Way Back Home by another name. I don't know if its true, but something sounds right about it --- I'll let you know in a few days either way!!!!

I may not love you, but i think you're great! ;)

[Steve St Thomas]

Ok, the 70's was the 70's and i would change nothing! But would much rather have seen Jobson in Yes than the many Rick Wakeman re-runs the band seems to go in for. Keeping things fresh. Also if he hadn't been doing Tull at the time he would have kicked a$£ on Drama....

While i've been asleep Trevor has invaded this thread! :security: LOL!
Anyway Trevor and Eddie in Yes would have been like this- :duel: Probably great fun live.

Why don't you show the "naked Trevor" pic again Cinderella? Just for a laugh....

Funny post from start to finish!! :thumbup: :sofunny:

[cinderella]

Cin, I have a suspicion that I Love You

from BEGINNINGS South Africa (hahahah ;)) could possibly be Finding Me A Way Back Home by another name. I don't know if its true, but something sounds right about it --- I'll let you know in a few days either way!!!!

I may not love you, but i think you're great! ;)

Hee-hee! Thanks Steve. You're pretty great yourself. :D

I think Finding Me A Way Back Home and I Love You are indeed the same song. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Steve St Thomas]

The hijacking of this thread into the Trevor Rabin solo album discussions, has moved over to here
http://www.yesfans.com/forum/showthread.php?p=521878#post521878. Please resume Jobson conversation. :)