Hillary

[1yesfan]

Just heard Hillary stated that she will never run for PRES. DARN!!! Thank god!

[yeswab]

Gotta agree on the Hilary thing. I voted for Bill twice, voted for Hilary for the Senate, voted for Gore and remain a devoted Democrat. However, I am just so **** sick of all things Clinton. Between that crap about her brother and the pardons and Bill's staff acting like god****ed children, vandalizing the White House before they left, I am embarrassed to be a human being, much less a member of the same party! :p

[yeswab]

To all concerned:

Sorry about that! That was only my first or second post! I was impressed by the bad-language filter and am very slightly chagrined that it had to be used on my post. To whatever administrator may be considering eighty-sixing me, I guess I know not to use even mildly salty language again!

Thanks!



:rolleyes:

[1yesfan]

:devil:

You do it again and you will have to give up ALL of your Yes albums!
No Problem. I try to make this sorta a clean site. Filter is set to pick up some bad words. Thanks for joining us.

Tim

[nightliner]

I wouldn't expect to hear (or read) bad language when referring to Yes, but when your talking about the Clintons, it just comes naturally.

[haroldthebarrel]

Wow, i am only a 23 year old, so what do I know but.....

Clinton was a WAY better president than Bush has shown to be so far. Anyone who hasn't noiced this isn't paying attention. So who cares is he lets his secrataries suck on his you know what. Wouldn't you?:sneaky: :smlylv: :eek:

Joe C

[yeswab]

Don't get me wrong; of course Clinton was better for policy and the underlying ideals than Bush. It's just that I'm tired of all the nonsense they subjected us to.

Here in New York state, there are "Hilary, Go Home" bumper stickers, which infuriate me as a Democrat!! However, I find myself wishing she would. Go home, and send in a Democrat who doesn't make people wish they could choke to death on their own vomit to avoid hearing anything more about anything Clinton.:)

[aphorism]

I read somewhere that New Yorkers would like to have Hillary removed from office since they are so unhappy with her. I figure a majority of New Yorkers voted for her, now they have to deal with the choice that they made. Given the Clinton's track record, who would have thought that another one would ever have made it into political office again?

[haroldthebarrel]

"I read somewhere that New Yorkers would like to have Hillary removed from office since they are so unhappy with her. I figure a majority of New Yorkers voted for her, now they have to deal with the choice that they made. Given the Clinton's track record, who would have thought that another one would ever have made it into political office again?"


Actually, it's a fact that considering his popularity rating, if Bill Clinton would have been able to run for President one more time he would have won against Bush....easily.

Joe C

[aphorism]

Based on popularity, yes, Clinton would have beaten Bush. I agree with you there because despite however many scandals Clinton was involved in, even getting impeached, he managed to come out on top. He is a smooth talker. The media has a short memory, and past scandals are easily forgotten and overlooked. This is probably one of the reasons why Hillary won.

[haroldthebarrel]

It seems there are alot of republicans here or anti-democrats at least. I think Yes would be suprised that republicans like their music and even more suprised if any agree with the positive philosophies they teach.

But in the end the Clinton's proved there were NO scandals in the Whitehouse of course unless you call sex a scandal, I call it human nature, it happens everywhere, why not the whitehouse?

But speaking of Smooth Talking, Bush sure hasn't any of that skill. he makes a fool out of himself with every speech he makes. I can't believe people actually are going to let him continue and carry out his one-term presidency. Where's the "Impeach Bush" stickers?

Joe C:)

[nightliner]

Yea, I'm a republican, and I would of voted against Clinton if he ran again. Not because he did a poor job, but because I don't think he can be trusted.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman". I always get a kick out of that.

And what does Yes have to do with political affiliation? Three things I suggest we not combine in this forum...Yes, religion and politics. It could create a problem. Just because we all agree Yes is the best band in the world doesn't mean we agree on everything else.

[haroldthebarrel]

I was just stating that because it's an obvious thing to wonder about. I mean Yes preaches/stands for everything Republicans are against. It's like Billy Grahm listening to Slayer or Deicide, but I agree, we DO all love Yes, and no one can be expected to agree on EVERYTHING!!

And different people disagreeing on an issue doesn't make it impossible for them to be friends!:cheers: :) bncsmls

[yeswab]

Recent posters on this topic:

The name of this forum is "Yes fans go off-topic", so that's why it's okay to discuss this stuff here. Case closed on that point, at least logic-wise.

Also, I of course agree with Joe C.'s assertion that "...Yes preaches/stands for everything Republicans are against".

HOWEVER--I can only agree with this in terms of my own gut reactions. Objectively/logically, it's ridiculous, no matter how much I agree with it.

Yes is, among other things, about love. Right-wing, anti-choice lunatics would tell you that they oppose abortion rights out of their love for every living being.

Yes are about peace. Republicans cite some statistic that US involvement in most modern wars was initiated by Democrats (I've heard that and it sounded plausible, but don't remember the details or source.)

Over the years, Yes, via Jon's lyrics, are more and more about a Higher Power. Well, who's keener on God than the right wing in the US ?

Don't get me wrong. I am a staunch, knee-jerk Democrat, and with age, my idealism has decayed no further than centrism on some issues; certainly not to the right (except maybe opposing legalization of reefer, but that's another story). However, I just try to keep an open mind. My right-wing lunatic boss, with whom I am friendly, has given me points for being "intellectually honest". I don't know whether to feel flattered or guilty.

Peace out, as it were. :crazy:

[haroldthebarrel]

Good point!

[aphorism]

This is a very interesting debate. I think however that republican or democrat, people's beliefs in total can not be judged by what political party they support. Yes, you guessed it, I consider myself a republican. I don't feel the same way on all of the issues that the folks on capital hill do though. It is important that we have a bipartisan system (yes, I know it is not always so equal) so that one party does not always get their way. That is a basis on which this country was founded on! Also, regardless of political party, I always try to look at the facts of scandals, and sometimes that requires a lot of sifting through what is in print. Truthfully, I think most of the time the american public does not get the whole story. We get what is decided can be released to the press. So probably, with several presidents of both parties, there have been scandals that we do not know exist, or facts that have been withheld from the ones that we do know exist. And no, I don't think I am a lunatic (yeswab). :-)

[yeswab]

dear aphorism:

you're obviously not a lunatic, because you can distinguish right from wrong in music.:crazy:

[aphorism]

Thanks man! I never took my political beliefs into consideration when enjoying Yes music! And as a side note, my best friend is a democrat. :-).