MCViegh

[1yesfan]

So what are your guys thoughts on Timothy McViegh (spell?). I have always supported the death pent. so I am glad he is now diggin ditchs somewhere in the fire pits.

[Musicology101]

For my view on Mcveigh, he's not even worth discussing.
One of the comments he made was that he wanted to be remembered for what he did. Great. Another martyr. I'm going to give him the best disservice I can possibly give him. I'm going to completely forget him.

Musicology101

[nightliner]

I agree entirely. His death received far to much attention. He got exactly what he wanted. If the media wanted to give him the circus he wanted, and he got the death he deserved, then he should of been hung in the square in Oklahoma City and broadcast live around the world.

[jeffbrock]

Why did we give him exactly what he wanted?

[nightliner]

He wanted attention and publicity, and the media gave it to him. He also considered his execution state assisted suicide.

[haroldthebarrel]

The thng is that T Mcveigh will never be the remembered revolutionary that he thought he would be. there are so many people just like him living in the south that would do the same thing he did.

These militia people are crazy, and they think everyone is after them, meanhile here people that are like us are living life and enjoying the world, while these people think everyone is after them, so they spend their lives training for a war that will never happen.

It's about as futile as the Manson gang training for the "race-war" that Charlie was always talking about.

Crazy, crazy crazy. I am glad he's that he got the ultimate punishment law can give, but I am not for the death penalty. It should only be used in cases like this.

[charl8e]

The death penalty still exists in this country because politicians are scared to oppose it, for fearing of being "unelectable"... therefore, all those who publically support the death penalty should consider themselves to be personally responsible for the deaths of all those who have been and will be executed (including, as we know for a fact, innocent people, and a disporportionate number of black and poor people). I don't have a problem with anyone supporting the death penalty, provided that they are honest about how it actually works and are willing to take responsibility for the consequences of this position.

[1yesfan]

You know how to avoid the JUICE!!?!?!?
Listen to your parents as a child, go to school, get a education, pull over when a cop stops you, don't hang out till 4am every weekend, get a job, respect others, go to church every so often, jsut to name a few basic things to keep you out of trouble and real JUICE situations if you keep at being IN TROUBLE!

[solano]

without a doubt pepole like mc viegh are scum but by putting him to death you gave him exactly what he wanted, i may be wrong but i am against the death penalty i would rather see them go to prison for life, and i mean life never to see the light of day again.
as for going to school church listening to your parents etc is concernd these are basics that should be taught but it is to easy to say these will keep you out of trouble and out of prison.
i doubt anyone on this site has not done something wrong at sometime in there life. there are many situations you may find yourself in where you can be arrested sometimes for nothing, like myself during the 84-85 miners strike.
so i also wish life was simple but its not, anyway god bless.
steve.

[haroldthebarrel]

I read that many believe the documents "sunddenly discovered" concerning Mcveigh's trial were purposefully left out in the first place. Not to sway evidence or the case at all, but to give T. Mcveigh a false sense of hope. To make him believe that maybe there was a chance that he would somehow be found not-guilty. That way it would be more of a torture to him when they found nothing in the documents and he was to be extinguished anyways.

Pretty wild and far fetched, but I wouldn't doubt that Bush, with his apathetic ways, would do something like that. Not that Mcveigh deserved any empathy or anything though.


Joe

[1yesfan]

BUSH. What does it have to do with him? Most of the McViegh stuff took place during the Clinton term. These HELD BACK FILES were put togther long be4 Bush came around. Joe, i sense that everything that goes wrong will be W's fault in your eyes? :nono: :cool:

[haroldthebarrel]

I was just thinking that if the documents were just a stunt to give false hope it would have been Bush who would have done it. Plus he is the big DEATH PENALTY guy, so it all sounded good to me!?!?:devil:

[nightliner]

I can't really say that I am in favor of the death penalty, but its better than using tax payer money to feed these guys for the rest of their lives.

In the case of McVeigh though, dying the way he did was too good for him.

[Robert Shupe]

I guess the question is: What did we learn from this tragic situation? It it possible to see warning signs in others like him? These questions are not easily answered. From a historical standpoint what he did should not be forgotten. The death penalty in this case has various sides. On one hand it was quid pro quo. He got what he gave. On the hand, will he be a martyr to someone else ? We hope not.
Texas is not short of folks to worry about. There are still people who believe Texas is still a legal republic. Scary. We should not dismiss McVeigh as simply crazy in my opinion. That is too dangerous. We should know him to prevent others like him. As for the missing files, I do not understand as I believe the judgement would have been the same had they been made available from the beginning.
On a last note, if any of you are near Oklahoma City go visit the bombing sight/memorial. You will be moved emotionally. I saw it before the memorial and words can not describe. The survivor tree is something you will never forget. It is worth your time. Love your family and consider your time as precious. It can all change in an instant.
May we as Yes Fans spread the peace and hope that our beloved band embraces.
Robert Shupe

[smatt]

Abullet would have been much cheaper. In Montana the convicted have there choice of hanging or firing squad. They say now that firing squad is inhumane. How can this be it's instant you don't even hear the sound of the gun. They spent way to much time/money/newsprint on thsi cold man. I think if there is a case that deserved the death penalty, this was it. As far as the files go, this proves that the FBI is screwed up. Although none of it made any difference, I mean the guy admitted he did it. You would think that they would do everything in there power to make sure they didn't screw up a high profile case like this one. As for cost, the only reason this particular execution made economic sense was that Mcveigh waved all appeals. Otherwise it cost much more to execute sombody than to give him life in prison. This is said but true. A BULLET IN THE HEAD WOULD BE FASTER AND CHEAPER!


Matt

[charl8e]

Several "murderers" who "admitted they did it" have subsequently been shown to be innocent (often via DNA). There is a story about one such person in today's New York Times. It happens all the time. I'm not saying that McVeigh was innocent, but what is certain is that -- a) death is a terminal sentence which cannot be reversed; and b) innocent people have been (and probably will be) executed for as long as there is capital punishment. And that is why it cannot be right to execute people -- because we are human and humans make mistakes.

[smatt]

That is a valid arguement. Can't disagree. Although I still think in very limited circumstances that capital punishment is a viable option. Our court system is not perfect. But I think in most cases they get it right. Most of the capital convictions are appealed a minimum of 3 times prior to be carried out. I would tend to lean on this a litttle to weed out the innocent. But, there is no for sure in this. So your arguement does stand.


Matt

[haroldthebarrel]

I agree with smatt on the firing squad thing. I don't agree with capital punishment for the sole reason that sometimes innocent people are executed. But in the rare times that we are 100% sure about a person's guilt and as long as the death penalty IS sill in effect, I say shoot the f--kers! It saves everyone else, who shouldn't even have to be bothered by these freaks, time, and $$$!!! not to sound :evil: or anything.... :D

[charl8e]

But there is a problem with "100% sure", and also it's cheaper to keep someone in jail for life than execute them... that's due to the legal process, which is expensive when you want to kill someone, and rightly so... if you trim THAT, to make it cheaper, then you increase the risk of killing an innocent person... hence, not executing other human beings is the only rational policy for human beings to have (as most of the civilized world knows)...

[haroldthebarrel]

I never thought of it that way. I must change my view now to being entirely anti-capitol punishment.