ABWH: The Last Good "Yes" Album

[rmig68]

After recently listening again to ABWH, in my opinion, that is one hell of an album. I will not discuss or criticize any of their work since then on this thread opener, but suffice to say, I certainly could.

...but, alas, I come to praise ABWH, not to criticize the other.

From the battery wrought forth from Bruford at the start of "Themes," to the political, "Birthright" to the beautiful "Quartet," and flowing all throughout this masterwork, the boys weave a tapestry of trippy, moody, energetic, complex and wonderful music that everyone who is a fan of Yes should be proud of, inspired by and emotionally moved from. You could cry during "The Meeting," pump your fist in the rock anthem/cosmic reaffirmation of "The Order of the Universe," get jiggy with "Teakbois," reflect on nuclear madness and selfishness on "Birthright," trip out on "Brother of Mine," and on and on. What a rich, beautiful, deep album with something to say and a bit of 'tude to go with it.

It is a wonderful piece of music that never got the respect it deserves and I think thats because it really was light years beyond even what Yes had done prior.

They don't make them like that anymore!

Even Roger Dean's original fonts and cover art are way up in the stratosphere on this one and I feel are his best.

Magic. Pure magic in so many ways.

[1yesfan]

Magnification was a better album in my mind.

[1yesfan]

ABWH while good has never set with me as well as other albums, even DRAMA!

[rmig68]

Magnification was a better album in my mind.

I thought it boring

[CybrKhatru]

I've a soft spot for the ABWH album (and tour). During the summer of 1989 I played the CD constantly, and I still think "Brother Of Mine", "Birthright" and "The Meeting" are brilliant.

Although production-wise it sounds very late-80s to me, I'd love to see these songs resurrected onstage. It'd be interesting to see what Squire and White would contribute to them!

--Matt

[allen toth]

I thought it boring

Thats what I think about ABWH. To each their own.

[JL]

Magnification was a better album in my mind.

What he said. I love the ABWH album, and the two shows I made it to on the tour are still among the best concerts I've ever attended, but I definitely prefer Magnification. I find it surprising that there is such a divergent view of this album. I see it as a clear triumph.

[rmig68]

What he said. I love the ABWH album, and the two shows I made it to on the tour are still among the best concerts I've ever attended, but I definitely prefer Magnification. I find it surprising that there is such a divergent view of this album. I see it as a clear triumph.

Could someone articulate what is so great about Magnification? I'm not trying to be antagonistic but to me it just sits there and it's blah and heavy. Just like the cover art. It's depressing to me.

I've seen a lot of praise for it here and I'm thinking, "really?"

[rmig68]

ABWH while good has never set with me as well as other albums, even DRAMA!

Yeah, I respect that, but I'm talking about the music, not the legalities or name used or whatever.

[tardistraveler]

While I really like ABWH, I wouldn't call it the LAST great Yes album.

Mag was an experiment, that I really liked, but I wouldn't want all Yes albums to use an orchestra.

But, I LOVE The Ladder! True Yes music - and the last time that has happened. So, to me, that would be the LAST great Yes album!

I do love Brother of Mine - remember putting ABWH on the CD player and feeling so caught up in that Yes magic again - it's a great album as well!

[rmig68]

While I really like ABWH, I wouldn't call it the LAST great Yes album.

Mag was an experiment, that I really liked, but I wouldn't want all Yes albums to use an orchestra.

But, I LOVE The Ladder! True Yes music - and the last time that has happened. So, to me, that would be the LAST great Yes album!

I do love Brother of Mine - remember putting ABWH on the CD player and feeling so caught up in that Yes magic again - it's a great album as well!

I did stop short of calling it "Last...Great" just because it does have shortcomings as do all albums except for maybe "Revolver" by the Beatles. I'd probably only rank it 7th or 8th as a Yes album, but I like some of the moods some of the songs evoke. "Teakbois'"..."this summer you couldn't get it" part gives me a very organic, sun through the haze on a lazy summer day feel. Brother of Mine with the fast-break interplay between Wakeman and the band evokes that "wow" factor when you realize they are pushing your brain molecules into uncharted territory and the home-spun, and dare I say nice, warm glow feel of Quartet.

The album is an emotional and mood altering rollercoaster of sorts, which is Yes at their best. That's their ability to put you in their environment and when they are good, and that is not always the case, Yes does that very well.

[JL]

Could someone articulate what is so great about Magnification? I'm not trying to be antagonistic but to me it just sits there and it's blah and heavy. Just like the cover art. It's depressing to me.

I've seen a lot of praise for it here and I'm thinking, "really?"

Several of the songs are great, such as Magnification, Spirit Of Survival, Dreamtime, and In The Presence Of.

There is a definite Yes sound to the album, yet it is different, and does not juice off of past glories. There is enough good, new, and different material on it to carry a tour (which I really wish they would have done at the time).

Steve and Chris give amazing performances, especially Steve. I find that there is a little too much high end on Chris's bass for my taste, but the playing is fantastic.

[VentureRG]

Magnification is a revelation and a high watermark in the integration of an orchestra with a progressive rock band. High praise to Larry Groupe' and his involvement in writing the score. I am also partial to the DVD-A version as the surround sound is simply incredible. I love the record from beginning to end. This is a very substantial record containing both very simple ideas (Don't Go) to very complex (Dreamtime). I very much understood Jon's frustration with what I consider a major accomplishment when the album failed to sell millions (this to me was an example of the failures of marketing and the state of the record business in the new millenium). The four of them put a great deal into this record and it pays off in dividends to the critical listener. Anyway give it a listen with headphones.

[umgekehrt]

I love The Ladder and Magnification, but I agree with you that ABWH is still better than both of them.

[allen toth]

In My Opinion, The Ladder, and Mag are Better than ABWH.

[TEMcGee]

I just got ABWH a couple weeks ago and I will say that I was impressed. Maybe it was the fact that we here in New England, on the day I got it at least, had one of the most beautiful days this winter, a warm 60 + degree day that, for me, dovetailed perfectly with the material on the album. As far the it being the last good Yes album...I'm not so sure. Like others I have to say that I really enjoyed The Ladder and love Magnification. I feel that The Ladder shares a lot of the feel of ABWH..not sure what it is about certain songs but its there. In a lot of ways I feel like ABWH and Magnification are connected in that both were a bit of a reinvention and reimagining of the Yes sound, one for the 90s and one for the 00s.

[Albedo]

But, I LOVE The Ladder! True Yes music - and the last time that has happened. So, to me, that would be the LAST great Yes album!


Yay! Someone else who loves the Ladder. Me too!

[luckeydoug1]

Magnification was a better album in my mind.
I totally agree. Magnification is one of my 5 favorite YES albums and I also quite like The Ladder. I don't care much for ABWH. In fact, for me, the best part of the album is the cover artwork. I'm still not ready to consider ABWH a YES album, but if it is, it would rank as my 2nd least favorite of all YES albums.

[somissound]

Themes, Quartet, The Meeting and especially Birthright are amazing...very fresh, unique, and beautiful.

But, I dont think the album rocks as much as other Yes albums...and I dig it when Yes rocks AND has the beautiful side ;)

[Andrea YouAndI]

I don't consider ABWH a true "Yes" album (check: I'm a Fish fan!) but it is one of my favorites of anything Steve and/or Rick have done. I just listened to it again two days ago, and I could not live without Order of the Universe--I almost played that song twice while I had the CD on. Heck, I could've even played Teakbois twice, that song is so much fun. Not to mention that my other favorite, Brother of Mine, has some of the best lyrics Jon ever wrote: "Never be afraid to show your heart," "Nothing can come between us,"--we are all brothers and sisters in the Yes universe!

If ABWH had been a Yes album, though, I don't think it is the last good one. I LOVE Talk, and Keys and Mag didn't take long to grow on me either.

[Frumious B]

ABWH has some decent stuff on it but I think that Wakeman is way too dominant and his 80s Casiotone sounding keys tend to overpower everything in their path. There's a notable lack of really kickin' rhythm guitar textures of the type that Howe used to lay down in the 70s and even on "Heat of the friggin' Moment". Bruford and Levin really groove together on the 80s Crimson material, but they sound really stiff here. I assume that this is the byproduct of the tracks being intially recorded with drum machines before Bruford came in to do his parts. Levin also suffers from being mixed too low, buried under layers upon layers of Wakeman.

[Bo Locks]

TALK: The Last Good "Yes" Album

[SuperSonicScientist]

ABWH has some decent stuff on it but I think that Wakeman is way too dominant and his 80s Casiotone sounding keys tend to overpower everything in their path. There's a notable lack of really kickin' rhythm guitar textures of the type that Howe used to lay down in the 70s and even on "Heat of the friggin' Moment". Bruford and Levin really groove together on the 80s Crimson material, but they sound really stiff here. I assume that this is the byproduct of the tracks being intially recorded with drum machines before Bruford came in to do his parts. Levin also suffers from being mixed too low, buried under layers upon layers of Wakeman.
I agree in principle with this, which is why it's one of the few albums where I actually prefer the live version....
On the particular question in hand I prefer magnfication... maybe it's the squiremaster... maybe it's something undefinable... and it's all a matter of taste I guess.

So Magnifcation, one of the latest 'excellent' albums...

[I'll be waiting]

It's on an even keel with The Ladder for me.

Definately feel they should play a couple of tracks on tour ''Brother of Mine and The Meeting''

[Original_Shifty]

Magnification and The Ladder are both better than ABWH.

I have a soft spot for ABWH because that's when I was getting into Yes and this was the first show I ever saw of any of it's members.

Seeing Bill behind that drumkit was an amazing experience.

ABWH has some great moments (Birthright, Order of the Universe, The Meeting, and Let's Pretend), but also some really bad ones (Themes, Teakbois, and the god-awful Fist of Fire).

[Dantalion Rides Again]

I'd be pretty frustrated if I'd made this thread! I thought the original post clearly stated that he meant for this thread to dwell on the good points of ABWH, and not to get all into what came after it. That said, it's a pretty provocative thread title.

Personally I've always loved ABWH. It's only when I read the complaints about it (which I can't quite disagree with) that my feelings on it sorta get flaky.

So thanks for sharing your positive thoughts and reminding me how much I DO love ABWH! You offer some good descriptive insights into those songs ... particularly the 'summer you didn't get it' business. I'm gonna listen to that album at work today.

Sometimes I think this board is heavy on the Squire fans ... I've always been more of a fan of Jon and Steve myself.

And Magnification is one of my favorite Yes albums since CTTE, for the record. Hah! For the record!

[rmig68]

I'd be pretty frustrated if I'd made this thread! I thought the original post clearly stated that he meant for this thread to dwell on the good points of ABWH, and not to get all into what came after it. That said, it's a pretty provocative thread title.

Personally I've always loved ABWH. It's only when I read the complaints about it (which I can't quite disagree with) that my feelings on it sorta get flaky.

So thanks for sharing your positive thoughts and reminding me how much I DO love ABWH! You offer some good descriptive insights into those songs ... particularly the 'summer you didn't get it' business. I'm gonna listen to that album at work today.

Sometimes I think this board is heavy on the Squire fans ... I've always been more of a fan of Jon and Steve myself.

And Magnification is one of my favorite Yes albums since CTTE, for the record. Hah! For the record!

As the starter of this thread, I can say with the utmost confidence that differing opinions or the direction the thread takes doesn't faze me in the least. It's just peoples opinions. One would have to be very sensitive to be too bothered, but I appreciate the sentiment.

Besides, nobody seems too upset that I think Magnification is, to be subtle, "a pedestrian effort"

[rmig68]

...although I am surprised there aren't more supporters of ABWH, seeing that it was a departure from what was happening at the time (90125, Big Generator). I liked 90125 but Big Generator, uh, not so much. I welcomed the re-emergence of complex music, odd time signatures and the always lovable, "ponderous and pretentious" "Yes." I applauded it then, as now. My favorite, though, has to be when some writer called Yes "The standard bearers of convoluted, pop mysticism" I thought it had a nice ring to it, even though he was dissin' the boys.

[Olorin]

I like ABWH. This thread inspired me to listen to it yesterday for the first time in ages.

But in response to the question possibly implied by the thread title, I'll say:

Magnification: The last good Yes album
Going for the One: The last GREAT Yes album

[brotherofmine]

My favourite 'Yes' album! Although I disagree that it was the last 'good' one ...The Ladder and Magnification are right up there for me...two excellent Yes albums.

[M-Class Planet]

ABWH – I have to agree about it being the last great ‘YES’ album
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It has a very relaxed and organic feel to it, with out losing power when it need to be brought in.
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I’ve got the ladder and Mag, but the compositions on them, and for that matter the two KTA albums studio material, seem very forced and contrived.
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I have to admit if it had C.R.E.S on it it would have been perrfect and possibly on of the great yes albums!
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ABWH, the album is stunning, and the tour was outstanding
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God bless ABWH

[Mind Driver]

Several of the songs are great, such as Magnification, Spirit Of Survival, Dreamtime, and In The Presence Of.

My four favorites off the Magnification album......

Having said that, ABWH is a personal favorite. Look at my signature line - from The Meeting. I want that song played at my funeral......many years from now!

The rest of that album is some outstanding work. I think it plays better to the Jon and Rick fans than it does to the Squire fans, but you can't argue the quality of the arrangments as being some of the most creative since CTTE.

Quartet was absolutely great!

[Internaut]

Having said that, ABWH is a personal favorite. Look at my signature line - from The Meeting. I want that song played at my funeral......many years from now!


Great point, MD! Although I associate this song with the first time I met my wife in person, when I take a closer look (well, listen) at the song, it seems obvious to me that Jon is talking about meeting his maker. Rick's keyboards on the studio version play to that aspect rather well...

[Yesed]

It seems to be considered a Yes album by Yes because its listed (with cover picture) on the 'Ultimate Yes' compilation. Yesshows is missing, but I still consider it a Yes album.
ABWH is better than the Ladder and maybe Magnification. Ed

[SadPreacher]

Brother Of Mine is the song that slays me on this album...and although i won't come right out and say it's a Yes album...if the boys think it is more power to them...and it proves a point i made in another thread about Yes continuing without Anderson...people yell that Squire IS Yes...and i said that if the band could continue without Anderson then these people would have to expect Yes could continue without Squire... a lot of people disagreed with that remark...but ABWH kind of lends creedence to my logical deduciton....

[Deliriumyes]

I love The Ladder and Magnification, but I agree with you that ABWH is still better than both of them.

I agree, Umgy. I remember the day ABWH was released...I rushed home and put it on and thought to myself, "Oh my gawd...YES is BACK!" The tour that followed was incredible. I saw it 3 times.

I enjoy every single track on ABWH. I can't say that about The Ladder or Magnification. I still listen to ABWH frequently. It is in my regular top 5 Yes album rotation, along with CTTE, Relayer, Tales, Fragile and Yessongs, (pretty good company, methinks).

[JL]

I had ABWH on a couple of weeks ago, and my wife commented on how much she enjoyed Birthright. One of those things that makes marriage fun!

[SuperSonicScientist]

I enjoy every single track on ABWH.
:Wow:
Even Teakbois?

[Mind Driver]

Brother Of Mine is the song that slays me on this album...and although i won't come right out and say it's a Yes album...if the boys think it is more power to them...and it proves a point i made in another thread about Yes continuing without Anderson...people yell that Squire IS Yes...and i said that if the band could continue without Anderson then these people would have to expect Yes could continue without Squire... a lot of people disagreed with that remark...but ABWH kind of lends creedence to my logical deduciton....

I agree. While I missed Squire's antics on stage during the ABWH tour, the music didn't suffer.

I had ABWH on a couple of weeks ago, and my wife commented on how much she enjoyed Birthright. One of those things that makes marriage fun!

Good for her. My wife put up with Yes, going to concerts with me on a regular basis about 10 years ago, then she told me she had heard enough and now I go with friends. I did get her to grudgingly go and see Wakeman with me this past summer - she enjoyed that.

:Wow:
Even Teakbois?

Teakbois has it's moments!

[Andrea YouAndI]

:Wow:
Even Teakbois?
I LOVE that song!

Of course, I do enjoy world music and like a bit of reggae rock, so I guess it comes natural. :D

[Roan's Lady]

It was the last good album by Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe.
The last good Yes album was Drama. :headset:

[YesHut]

Brother Of Mine is the song that slays me on this album...and although i won't come right out and say it's a Yes album...if the boys think it is more power to them...and it proves a point i made in another thread about Yes continuing without Anderson...people yell that Squire IS Yes...and i said that if the band could continue without Anderson then these people would have to expect Yes could continue without Squire... a lot of people disagreed with that remark...but ABWH kind of lends creedence to my logical deduciton....


To me, and I have said before, C. Squire makes Yes, YES. Tho ABWH is a good album, (which I do enjoy), it is not YES, even Jon said it was not YES, but YES like durring the interview section on The Big Dream Video.

[Andrea YouAndI]

It was the last good album by Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe.
The last good Yes album was Drama. :headset:
:mel: Nope, I'd say that honor goes to Keys, though I do like most of Mag. The last GREAT Yes album was Talk.

:aaa[1]:

[Olorin]

Tho ABWH is a good album, (which I do enjoy), it is not YES, even Jon said it was not YES, but YES like durring the interview section on The Big Dream Video.

Jon said in an interview in the Union tourbook,"...ABWH and the 90125 band, as I'll call them. To me, they were both Yes anyway."
So I don't know that we can prove or disprove anything by comments Jon has made. Our dear Jon has a tendency to make comments based on what serves the purposes of the moment (as do we all).

[KPatrick]

I should start by noting that I don't really consider ABWH to be a Yes album any more than I consider "Lonesome Trail" by Conspiracy to be a Yes song simply because 3 guys who have been involved in Yes played on it. And I do think Chris's absence is essential to the non-Yes-ness of that album, but not in and of itself. Chris -- and Alan -- would have lent some drama and weight to the proceedings. Those elements show up periodically -- well, OK, they show up on "Birthright" and they almost go throughout "Brother of Mine." But I find the whole affair to be way too light. Not "positive" light, but "cotton candy" light.

Considering it a Yes album for the sake of the post, I don't think it's even close to the best Yes album since its release. Bruford's drums and Wakeman's keys make that album very much "of its time." Beyond the sounds, I think the songs are, in the main, weak. They suffer a bit of that jammed-together-ness that affects "That, That Is". I'm not at all sure what "Part III" of "Themes" has to do with any of what came before it. Same with the end section of "Brother of Mine," although that fits better. "Quartet" has nice little song snippets in it, but it's laughable to suggest, as the band did, that it's one song.

I do like some of it. "Birthright" and "The Meeting" are wonderful. The rest of it, to my ears, is about as inorganic as it could be. Possibly because of the way in which Jon put the album together...

[M-Class Planet]

quote "..... I think the songs are, in the main, weak. They suffer a bit of that jammed-together-ness that affects "That, That Is". I'm not at all sure what "Part III" of "Themes" has to do with any of what came before it. Same with the end section of "Brother of Mine," although that fits better. "Quartet" has nice little song snippets in it, but it's laughable to suggest, as the band did, that it's one song."


emmm 'scuse me ? Starship Trooper?? Tales for Tobys Graphic Go- cart!!!!????

it isn't part III in that it they return to previous themes or has a musical relevance to a previous section of the song - it's part three cos they decided it was part three - just like they did with Starship Trooper

[YESYOUANDI]

Not perfect.....but still one of the best, if not the best YES album since G.F.T.O.
A.B.W.H.....They called......and we came back.
Cheers fans.

[Deliriumyes]

:Wow:
Even Teakbois?

Especially Teakbois!

Seriously! I love this song...it really gets me going! I do enjoy Latin rhythms, though. Perhaps it's not for everyone.

[Jackaranda]

It was the last good album by Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe.
The last good Yes album was Drama. :headset:

Hmmmm.......we need to TALK about that Amy.

[RandyC]

"Talk" is great!

[Dantalion Rides Again]

No it isn't.

:D

[SuperSonicScientist]

Coming to Talk for the first time, there are flaws and little things I don't like but it is still a great album and goes into my top 30 CDs.. although it may not last. It certainly beats Bog Generator any day!

;)

[Bo Locks]

They called......and we came back.I had never left! Please don't generalise! : )

[GatesOfDelirium]

Sorry to say, ABWH has never really blown me away at all. There's absolutely nothing on there that would make a best of, imho. I feel it was decimated by the dreadful 80s production and Rick and Bill's choice of sounds. Just awful stuff. Most songs are tolerable enough (Teakbois however is dreadful imo) but nothing mindblowingly brilliant. I feel 'The Ladder' was the best one they'd done since 'Drama'- really ABWH doesn't come into it, for me at least.

[rmig68]

Sorry to say, ABWH has never really blown me away at all. There's absolutely nothing on there that would make a best of, imho. I feel it was decimated by the dreadful 80s production and Rick and Bill's choice of sounds. Just awful stuff. Most songs are tolerable enough (Teakbois however is dreadful imo) but nothing mindblowingly brilliant. I feel 'The Ladder' was the best one they'd done since 'Drama'- really ABWH doesn't come into it, for me at least.

Well, I'm not offended if your not but, The Ladder? That is ABWH lite with no great playing, just pop songs. Much thinner in production, although granted less metallic (as in sound quality, not genre)than ABWH. That is a criticism I do have of ABWH is the sound, not necessarily the production though.

I like it when "Yes" goes over the top with their playing (ABWH), but when it's all pop, or actually a poor attempt at a lot of pop, which doesn't even attain chart status of any notable degree (The Ladder), that ain't cuttin' it wit me. At least 90125 was good, cutting edge, happenin' rock. The Ladder was Journey with a bad Roger Dean cover (we won't get into what his rock formations looked like on that album, but you probably see it every morning after you do your thing.)

Hopefully someone's laughing there. Just having a crack at Rogers artwork lately.

[Kristiina]

Hearing ABWH by the time it was released was my first contact ever with prog-music, and I really got interested! There was something I had never heard before, it was magical. But for me the sounds on that album sounded better back in ´89 than now

[Whitefish]

It is not a Yes album. It is Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe.

Yes at that time was Chris Squire, Alan White, Trevor Rabin and Tony Kaye. They never officially broke up.

[YesJen357]

Semantics......(yawn.)
I'd rather take each and every album on what they are trying to say and what it does to me, rather than wasting energy on what pigeon hole to compartmentalise it into.
But that's just me.

[pedro skychaser]

Semantics......(yawn.)
I'd rather take each and every album on what they are trying to say and what it does to me, rather than wasting energy on what pigeon hole to compartmentalise it into.
But that's just me.

ah you crazy cat yesJJJJJJJJJJJ---
"birthright" was about our land,its original inhabitants,sins of the past,all poetically realised by jon @ height of powers...even brufy was impresssed by the ambition+daring...still not good enough 4 some??!!!???

watch the ABWH concert+observe the crowd---4 there you will find your answer...:git[1]:

[GatesOfDelirium]

Well, I'm not offended if your not but, The Ladder? That is ABWH lite with no great playing, just pop songs. Much thinner in production, although granted less metallic (as in sound quality, not genre)than ABWH. That is a criticism I do have of ABWH is the sound, not necessarily the production though.

I like it when "Yes" goes over the top with their playing (ABWH), but when it's all pop, or actually a poor attempt at a lot of pop, which doesn't even attain chart status of any notable degree (The Ladder), that ain't cuttin' it wit me. At least 90125 was good, cutting edge, happenin' rock. The Ladder was Journey with a bad Roger Dean cover (we won't get into what his rock formations looked like on that album, but you probably see it every morning after you do your thing.)

Hopefully someone's laughing there. Just having a crack at Rogers artwork lately.

To each their own. There was still a fair bit I didn't like on The Ladder, don't get me wrong (all the AOR ballads), but I did like 'Homeworld', 'Face To Face', 'The Messenger' and 'New Language' more than anything on ABWH, but that's just me...:)

[YesJen357]

ah you crazy cat yesJJJJJJJJJJJ---
"birthright" was about our land,its original inhabitants,sins of the past,all poetically realised by jon @ height of powers...even brufy was impresssed by the ambition+daring...still not good enough 4 some??!!!???
It sure was (is) good enough for me! 'Birthright' stunned me from the first time I heard it and it has never failed to move me since.
Ah yes, the way the Poms used our land..... You know, with the nuclear testing.....Memory serves that the radiation levels went up astronomically in Adelaide within hours of the first Pommy test at Maralinga.

[YesJen357]

But we paid the Poms back in kind with some nuclear radiation of our own, this summer.
The Australian cricket team gave them some 'fall-out' to take back home with them!
That's their 'Birthright.'

[rmig68]

It is not a Yes album. It is Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe.

Yes at that time was Chris Squire, Alan White, Trevor Rabin and Tony Kaye. They never officially broke up.

Uh, we know that. Note the quotation marks on thread title. Also, it's a little jab at Yes for all their work since Big Genital-brator

[rmig68]

ah you crazy cat yesJJJJJJJJJJJ---
"birthright" was about our land,its original inhabitants,sins of the past,all poetically realised by jon @ height of powers...even brufy was impresssed by the ambition+daring...still not good enough 4 some??!!!???

watch the ABWH concert+observe the crowd---4 there you will find your answer...:git[1]:

Jon actually gets a little angry on this album (at the music industry, Chris maybe and arrogant, disrespectful and ignorant governments) and I like it. He says something too.

But, he also wants you to know that he's hangin' out on the island, playing cricket with the locals and singing and dancin.' It's Jon kinda saying "Yeah, I love life, I like to dance, I'll be hangin here cuttin' an album. Anyone got a problem with that?"

...can't always be meditating on another planet, y'all.

You gots to live!

[marcelo soza]

Stop fooling yourselves! I love YES more than any fan but the last true great album they've put out was "Tales". That was the peak and went downwards since then. Sure you'll find great songs scattered here and there but that cycle of classic albums was finished on the mid seventies. Funny but musically they're still the same but the lyrics have been getting worst and I blame Jon Anderson for that. In the beggining they knew how to shut up and let the music play it's part, now they overwrite everything, too many words too much unnecessary singing. There are exceptions of course, songs like: Fortune Seller, The Even Song, Time is Time, Lightning Strikes and a few others. I'm waiting for an instrumental YES album, or with just a little bit of singing, only in the "right" places like they used to do.

[SuperSonicScientist]

Stop fooling yourselves! I love YES more than any fan but the last true great album they've put out was "Tales". That was the peak and went downwards since then. Sure you'll find great songs scattered here and there but that cycle of classic albums was finished on the mid seventies. Funny but musically they're still the same but the lyrics have been getting worst and I blame Jon Anderson for that. In the beggining they knew how to shut up and let the music play it's part, now they overwrite everything, too many words too much unnecessary singing. There are exceptions of course, songs like: Fortune Seller, The Even Song, Time is Time, Lightning Strikes and a few others. I'm waiting for an instrumental YES album, or with just a little bit of singing, only in the "right" places like they used to do.
Welcome to the site fella!

You say what you think!
I don't agree but I know where you are coming from! The thing is a bad Yes album still has more to say and more to offer than a good... say for example.. Oasis album!

Genesis couldn't keep a good thing going, Pink Floyd just didn't put out enough material, being quite happy with more samey live albums and greatest hits, Rush became a proper Rock Band .. I could go on....

At least Yes still come back to the same thing, listen to something like KeysStudio, Magnification there is time and space for the music there... although I'd admit there are duff tracks...

[Topographic][Sardaukar]

i actually just bought this album having found it for pretty cheap and there are many strong tracks on it. But it's definitely not their last really good work.

[YESYOUANDI]

I had never left! Please don't generalise! : )

I meant..."WE" as in, many "real classic Yes" fans.
No offence...Bo Locks.

Cheers fans.

[Andrea YouAndI]

Uh, we know that. Note the quotation marks on thread title. Also, it's a little jab at Yes for all their work since Big Genital-brator
Would you guys PLEASE stop knocking Big Generator?!!

It's all a matter of opinion, sure, but I find absolutely nothing wrong with BG. I'm a Rabinite as well as a Hovian, and I like it just as much as many earlier Yes releases. Plus, this thread is about ABWH, so please take your anti-Rabin arguments somewhere else.

[Roan's Lady]

Stop fooling yourselves! I love YES more than any fan but the last true great album they've put out was "Tales". That was the peak and went downwards since then. Sure you'll find great songs scattered here and there but that cycle of classic albums was finished on the mid seventies. Funny but musically they're still the same but the lyrics have been getting worst and I blame Jon Anderson for that. In the beggining they knew how to shut up and let the music play it's part, now they overwrite everything, too many words too much unnecessary singing. There are exceptions of course, songs like: Fortune Seller, The Even Song, Time is Time, Lightning Strikes and a few others. I'm waiting for an instrumental YES album, or with just a little bit of singing, only in the "right" places like they used to do.


Hey marcelo!

The last great album - Tales! Not even as far as Relayer! Wow. I can't say I agree, but I do understand where you're coming from as far as the lyrics seeming to overshadow the music. I think most of Jon's lyrics lately detract from the music, rather than enhance it, as they used to. His themes have become so repetitive. The music and lyrics of their earlier albums (fresh and full of wonderful imagery!) used to entwine themselves around each other - almost as if you didn't know where one ended and the other began. I miss that about recent Yes music. I don't know if they have the ability or the desire to go back to that - but it would be nice, wouldn't it? :D

[Olorin]

It sure was (is) good enough for me! 'Birthright' stunned me from the first time I heard it and it has never failed to move me since.
Ah yes, the way the Poms used our land..... You know, with the nuclear testing.....Memory serves that the radiation levels went up astronomically in Adelaide within hours of the first Pommy test at Maralinga.

OK, clue us in: what are Poms?

[cinderella]

Well gee I really like ABWH. I don't know about it being the last good Yes album, but I love all the songs on it.

And it has my favorite album cover from Mr. Dean. :D

[cinderella]

I find absolutely nothing wrong with BG. I'm a Rabinite as well as a Hovian, and I like it just as much as many earlier Yes releases.

I agree Andrea. I love Big Generator.

In fact I like all the albums by Yes.
Some a little more than others, but they all have their moments -- good and bad.

[YESYOUANDI]

Nice one Cinders....me an yee, we always seem to agree.

Cheers fans.

[rmig68]

Would you guys PLEASE stop knocking Big Generator?!!

It's all a matter of opinion, sure, but I find absolutely nothing wrong with BG. I'm a Rabinite as well as a Hovian, and I like it just as much as many earlier Yes releases. Plus, this thread is about ABWH, so please take your anti-Rabin arguments somewhere else.

Where was I Rabin bashing? I loved 90125 and most of Talk. Just because I found BG to be "a little too poppy and light in the loafers," does not indicate a particular slight against Rabin. On the contrary, I find him to be a multi-talented guitarist, keyboardist, producer, singer, composer, etc. If I were to be critical, I guess I think his songwriting could be a little deeper.

I have the utmost respect for the man and his talents. I've also mentioned that my dream Yes lineup: Anderson, Howe, Moraz, Bruford, Rabin and Squier, (produced by Horn), would see him in the vital role of keeping the band current, happenin' and accessible.

Next time, please think before you tell someone where to go. Geeeez!

[Andrea YouAndI]

Hey, sorry! Point taken! I wasn't targeting any one person here--there are several people who don't like BG for some reason. But this IS a thread about ABWH, not YesWest.

I guess for me, as a lover of ALL YesWest albums, I don't understand how someone can like one but not the other two, or like two but not the other one. I just like them all, and I find it hard to pick a favorite.

[rmig68]

Hey, sorry! Point taken! I wasn't targeting any one person here--there are several people who don't like BG for some reason. But this IS a thread about ABWH, not YesWest.

I guess for me, as a lover of ALL YesWest albums, I don't understand how someone can like one but not the other two, or like two but not the other one. I just like them all, and I find it hard to pick a favorite.

I know, I started the thread. Just so everything is nice and sparkling clear here, the intent is essentially to compare ABWH to Yes proper and specifically reference their (meaning the gentlemen who play in Yes or ABWH) music the last few years.

Furthermore, why is it again that I can't reference Big Generator, or Talk or Barney's Day at the Zoo in this thread?

As far as your point about liking one YesWest and not the other, I have to say huh? They are different albums and thus, have different songs and thus, I would think, contain varying degrees of likeability.

...in other words, they're different albums, that's how someone might come to enjoy one over the other.

[SuperSonicScientist]

YesWest?

[Dantalion Rides Again]

YesWest?

Do you mean that you'd like to know what "YesWest" refers to?

Assuming you do, I think it comes from the fact that in 1988-1989 there were virtually two active versions of Yes. One with the actual Yes name, and the other being ABWH. The Yes with the shorter name was based in California, while the other one was in England. California Yes is YesWest just by geography.

And I think the name stuck, so now lots of people refer to the Rabin/Kaye lineup as YesWest for simplicity.

[SuperSonicScientist]

Thank you kind sir....

[marcelo soza]

Hey marcelo!

The last great album - Tales! Not even as far as Relayer! Wow. I can't say I agree, but I do understand where you're coming from as far as the lyrics seeming to overshadow the music. I think most of Jon's lyrics lately detract from the music, rather than enhance it, as they used to. His themes have become so repetitive. The music and lyrics of their earlier albums (fresh and full of wonderful imagery!) used to entwine themselves around each other - almost as if you didn't know where one ended and the other began. I miss that about recent Yes music. I don't know if they have the ability or the desire to go back to that - but it would be nice, wouldn't it? :D

Of course they don't have the ability to do it anymore and that happens to most bands, the early work is great and the later work is always trying to recapture the freshness and genious of their beginning. Yes early stuff was the best thing ever done in modern music period, that's why they have this imense following, because of the power and beauty of that music. Yes fans mistakenly think that a "classic" song should mimic those twenty minutes plus song they used to do back then, they don't do that well anymore and "That, That is" and others prove it. Yes band listen to me! You should do an "instrumental only" album and then call Jon Anderson to put some frosting on the cake, just a little bit. I promise you will have another "classic".
PS: Relayer had lots of great parts but also lots of bad parts.

[allen toth]

Of course they don't have the ability to do it anymore and that happens to most bands, the early work is great and the later work is always trying to recapture the freshness and genious of their beginning. Yes early stuff was the best thing ever done in modern music period, that's why they have this imense following, because of the power and beauty of that music. Yes fans mistakenly think that a "classic" song should mimic those twenty minutes plus song they used to do back then, they don't do that well anymore and "That, That is" and others prove it. Yes band listen to me! You should do an "instrumental only" album and then call Jon Anderson to put some frosting on the cake, just a little bit. I promise you will have another "classic".
PS: Relayer had lots of great parts but also lots of bad parts.

Sorry, I can't think of any bad parts on Relayer. Maybe you can help Me out.

[rmig68]

Sorry, I can't think of any bad parts on Relayer. Maybe you can help Me out.

The bad part of Relayer is before you hit "play" and after you hit "stop"

...or back in the day, any point you took the needle off the album or had to wait for the pause on the 8-track

[Roan's Lady]

I am genuinely curious to hear what marcelo thinks are the "bad parts" of Relayer. Let him tell us. :D

[marcelo soza]

I am genuinely curious to hear what marcelo thinks are the "bad parts" of Relayer. Let him tell us. :D

There is one thing that(good) Yes music does better than any other is to grab you at the emotional level, you realy feel it. I think Relayer is lacking that, it's a cold hearted album with a beautiful cold hearted Dean's cover. I like sixty per cent of it being Sound Chaser the far best song. I think they were loosing by then that magic touch that brought them to their peak the CTTE/Tales years.

[Roan's Lady]

There is one thing that(good) Yes music does better than any other is to grab you at the emotional level, you realy feel it. I think Relayer is lacking that, it's a cold hearted album with a beautiful cold hearted Dean's cover. I like sixty per cent of it being Sound Chaser the far best song. I think they were loosing by then that magic touch that brought them to their peak the CTTE/Tales years.

I do agree with your first comment, and how! No other music has consistently "grabbed" me the way Yes music has. I love Sound Chaser, too - but I find that there are cold, jarring portions in it - portions, that is! I'm quite sure that's deliberate. SC is such a dynamic song, it moves all over the place; it's so perfectly titled.
Do you think "To Be Over" and "Soon" are "cold-hearted"? :D

[Bradders]

Not sure how you can call Relayer Cold Hearted having three of the most fantastic tracks on it. GOD is manic, crazy and in your face, culminating in what must be one of the most sensuous pieces of yes-music ever written. SC is crazy and you can dance to it!! And TBO is just beautiful in its own right. Relayer??.......I love it!!

[marcelo soza]

I do agree with your first comment, and how! No other music has consistently "grabbed" me the way Yes music has. I love Sound Chaser, too - but I find that there are cold, jarring portions in it - portions, that is! I'm quite sure that's deliberate. SC is such a dynamic song, it moves all over the place; it's so perfectly titled.
Do you think "To Be Over" and "Soon" are "cold-hearted"? :D

Your husband is lucky. You know who is not cold hearted: you.

[somissound]

The bad part of Relayer is before you hit "play" and after you hit "stop"

...or back in the day, any point you took the needle off the album or had to wait for the pause on the 8-track



:appl[1]:

[marcelo soza]

The bad part of Relayer is before you hit "play" and after you hit "stop"

...or back in the day, any point you took the needle off the album or had to wait for the pause on the 8-track

If I met you on the streets I would beat you up with a lead pipe and once down I would tied a head phone to your ears playing "Man on the Moon" non stop. That goes to everyone who desagrees with me.

[Olorin]

Where was I Rabin bashing? [edit] I have the utmost respect for the man and his talents. I've also mentioned that my dream Yes lineup: Anderson, Howe, Moraz, Bruford, Rabin and Squier, (produced by Horn), would see him in the vital role of keeping the band current, happenin' and accessible.

I like Rabin, I like his compositions ok, and I think his playing is great, so staunch Rabin defenders, don't go non-linear on what I'm about to say....

Which is, Trevor is 53 years old...how could his presence make Yes "current" or "happenin' "? I mean, at this point he's only marginally younger than the other guys, and probably just as clueless about "current" music (which is a good thing!).

[SuperSonicScientist]

If I met you on the streets I would beat you up with a lead pipe and once down I would tied a head phone to your ears playing "Man on the Moon" non stop. That goes to everyone who desagrees with me.

Dude what on earth are you thinking about saying something like that?

Music is about taste, and taste is individual. No one can tell you what you should like or dislike, and I seriously hope the above was meant as a joke because it's time to do some apologising!

[marcelo soza]

Dude what on earth are you thinking about saying something like that?

Music is about taste, and taste is individual. No one can tell you what you should like or dislike, and I seriously hope the above was meant as a joke because it's time to do some apologising!

I m soooooooo sorry, I meant with a steel pipe.

[Roan's Lady]

Your husband is lucky. You know who is not cold hearted: you.

If I met you on the streets I would beat you up with a lead pipe and once down I would tied a head phone to your ears playing "Man on the Moon" non stop. That goes to everyone who desagrees with me.

I m soooooooo sorry, I meant with a steel pipe.

I think you're wacky-doodles. Or perhaps lulu-cakes. So you think "To Be Over" and "Soon" are "cold-hearted"?

[SuperSonicScientist]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e299/Vanguard1999/feedtroll.gif

[Andrea YouAndI]

I like Rabin, I like his compositions ok, and I think his playing is great, so staunch Rabin defenders, don't go non-linear on what I'm about to say....

Which is, Trevor is 53 years old...how could his presence make Yes "current" or "happenin' "? I mean, at this point he's only marginally younger than the other guys, and probably just as clueless about "current" music (which is a good thing!).
:dog: You have a point there!

<--Rabin defender (but I love Howe just as much)

[marcelo soza]

I think you're wacky-doodles. Or perhaps lulu-cakes. So you think "To Be Over" and "Soon" are "cold-hearted"?

"Gates" is an overindulged and annoying song minus the" Soon" part, which is great, all that "war" crap is plain silly and Anderson knows it. Please don't get me wrong I like Relayer but it doesn't come near the holy trinity of Yes Album/ Fragile/CTTE. When I think about songs like "The Prophet", "Time and a Word", "Astral Traveler" and many others, yes, Relayer doesn't give me that emotional response that I mentioned before. No, I'm not lulu-doodles or wacky-cakes or whatever kind of food product you may think of.

[Mind Driver]

I'm not thinking of a food product after that steel pipe remark, maybe a product of food consumption......

[Dances w/PURPLE]

"Gates" is an overindulged and annoying song minus the" Soon" part, which is great, all that "war" crap is plain silly and Anderson knows it. Please don't get me wrong I like Relayer but it doesn't come near the holy trinity of Yes Album/ Fragile/CTTE. When I think about songs like "The Prophet", "Time and a Word", "Astral Traveler" and many others, yes, Relayer doesn't give me that emotional response that I mentioned before. No, I'm not lulu-doodles or wacky-cakes or whatever kind of food product you may think of.

You wow me with your eloquence, move me with your riveting commentary, I will rush to the music store to buy all albums you favor JUST at the mere mention of them! You went to Midvale School for the Gifted I can tell. marcelo soza I wait with hot chili fries for your next post. Please don't keep me waiting too long!!

[Bradders]

"Gates" is an overindulged and annoying song minus the" Soon" part, which is great, all that "war" crap is plain silly and Anderson knows it. Please don't get me wrong I like Relayer but it doesn't come near the holy trinity of Yes Album/ Fragile/CTTE. When I think about songs like "The Prophet", "Time and a Word", "Astral Traveler" and many others, yes, Relayer doesn't give me that emotional response that I mentioned before. No, I'm not lulu-doodles or wacky-cakes or whatever kind of food product you may think of.
So dont you like it then??

[marcelo soza]

You wow me with your eloquence, move me with your riveting commentary, I will rush to the music store to buy all albums you favor JUST at the mere mention of them! You went to Midvale School for the Gifted I can tell. marcelo soza I wait with hot chili fries for your next post. Please don't keep me waiting too long!!

I like you, I like you a lot. What I don't like about you are your eating habits. Beatiful eyes... now get out of the house, put your hot chilli fries down (that sh... will kill you) and buy "Open your Eyes", the best thing they've done in a long time.

[Dances w/PURPLE]

I like you, I like you a lot. What I don't like about you are your eating habits. Beatiful eyes... now get out of the house, put your hot chilli fries down (that sh... will kill you) and buy "Open your Eyes", the best thing they've done in a long time.

Whatever your bidding master. I live for your words. Consider me a Sozalite. Never a chili fry will pass my lips. Oh Great Lord of Darkness, orate pearls of wisdom on "Open Your Eyes", let those of us that dwell in the lower swells drink from the breast of your milk of wisdom.

[marcelo soza]

Whatever your bidding master. I live for your words. Consider me a Sozalite. Never a chili fry will pass my lips. Oh Great Lord of Darkness, orate pearls of wisdom on "Open Your Eyes", let those of us that dwell in the lower swells drink from the breast of your milk of wisdom.

I don't like you anymore... I love you,mainly because you managed to use the word "milk" in all of this, sexy girl.

[rmig68]

If I met you on the streets I would beat you up with a lead pipe and once down I would tied a head phone to your ears playing "Man on the Moon" non stop. That goes to everyone who desagrees with me.

Dude, trust me, you couldn't do that. I've beaten down people twice as loud as you, so you better be able to rumble you little twirp

[Terry Shea]

"Gates" is an overindulged and annoying song minus the" Soon" part, which is great, all that "war" crap is plain silly and Anderson knows it. Please don't get me wrong I like Relayer but it doesn't come near the holy trinity of Yes Album/ Fragile/CTTE. When I think about songs like "The Prophet", "Time and a Word", "Astral Traveler" and many others, yes, Relayer doesn't give me that emotional response that I mentioned before. No, I'm not lulu-doodles or wacky-cakes or whatever kind of food product you may think of.Gates is sheer musical (and lyrical) genius! The lyrics fit the music perfectly and Mr. Anderson had enough sense to keep quiet during the battle sequence! I don't believe any other band could have pulled this song off and I've never even heard of another band (even a tribute band) attempting to do so. It totally amazes me that they can pull this song off live, what with all the timing and tempo changes and portions that never quite exactly repeat. Every time I watch the live version on Symphonic I get tears in my eyes and start crying during the mad, ad lib, free for all between sections. No other song by Yes or anyone else for that matter affects me like that. The Prophet, Time And A Word and Astral Traveler are quite boring in comparison!

[Yes2Yes]

I'll always have a fondness for ABWH. Always loved Brother Of Mine.

[YesJen357]

OK, clue us in: what are Poms?
Ah forgive me, please.
'Poms' are English people. 'Pommy' is a name used by Australians, often preceeding the word Bast*rds!
:)

[YesJen357]

"Gates" is an overindulged and annoying song minus the" Soon" part, which is great, all that "war" crap is plain silly and Anderson knows it. No, discussing Relayer in the ABWH thread is plain silly and we all know it....
Oh blast, I'm doing it too....
But seriously; so you don't 'get' Gates of Delirium? Too bad! Reporting your opinion as if it is fact may well get the response you expected. Now, you were just trying to be controversial, weren't you?
I hear that you don't think YES are as good as they were. Lucky for me, that isn't my musical perception. Because I'm having a lot more fun than you listening to YES's entire catalogue.
As for an instrumental YES album.....Now that would be interesting.......Hopefully not overindulged and annoying.....And Anderson knows that!

Getting back to ABWH.
Gee, I can't wait for the DVD to arrive in my mail box!

[Mind Driver]

Getting back to ABWH.
Gee, I can't wait for the DVD to arrive in my mail box!

What DVD?

[marcelo soza]

Dude, trust me, you couldn't do that. I've beaten down people twice as loud as you, so you better be able to rumble you little twirp

Trust me dude, I could and I don't need a lead pipe either. Let's make a deal then, you scared me a little bit you big man... I want to meet you
in my sparring gym and after I'm finished we can make peace, how does that sound?

[marcelo soza]

[QUOTE=Terry Shea;1102295]Gates is sheer musical (and lyrical) genius! The lyrics fit the music perfectly and Mr. Anderson had enough sense to keep quiet during the battle sequence! I don't believe any other band could have pulled this song off and I've never even heard of another band (even a tribute band) attempting to do so. It totally amazes me that they can pull this song off live, what with all the timing and tempo changes and portions that never quite exactly repeat. Every time I watch the live version on Symphonic I get tears in my eyes and start crying during the mad, ad lib, free for all between sections. No other song by Yes or anyone else for that matter affects me like that. The Prophet, Time And A Word and Astral Traveler are quite boring in comparison![/
QUOTE]

Another strong candidate for the "lead pipe" correction, but I'll give you break because you said you cry a lot when you hear the mad, ad lib, free for al...wow, that sounds kind of gay.

[Dances w/PURPLE]

I don't like you anymore... I love you,mainly because you managed to use the word "milk" in all of this, sexy girl.


Awww, can dish it out but you can't take it Master Blaster?

[brotherofmine]

[QUOTE=Terry Shea;1102295]Gates is sheer musical (and lyrical) genius! The lyrics fit the music perfectly and Mr. Anderson had enough sense to keep quiet during the battle sequence! I don't believe any other band could have pulled this song off and I've never even heard of another band (even a tribute band) attempting to do so. It totally amazes me that they can pull this song off live, what with all the timing and tempo changes and portions that never quite exactly repeat. Every time I watch the live version on Symphonic I get tears in my eyes and start crying during the mad, ad lib, free for all between sections. No other song by Yes or anyone else for that matter affects me like that. The Prophet, Time And A Word and Astral Traveler are quite boring in comparison![/
QUOTE]

Another strong candidate for the "lead pipe" correction, but I'll give you break because you said you cry a lot when you hear the mad, ad lib, free for al...wow, that sounds kind of gay.

Marcelo are you sure you are 47? Your posts are becoming bizarre at the very least. Make your point and move on....this "lead pipe" stuff is just laughable.

[marcelo soza]

No, discussing Relayer in the ABWH thread is plain silly and we all know it....
Oh blast, I'm doing it too....
But seriously; so you don't 'get' Gates of Delirium? Too bad! Reporting your opinion as if it is fact may well get the response you expected. Now, you were just trying to be controversial, weren't you?
I hear that you don't think YES are as good as they were. Lucky for me, that isn't my musical perception. Because I'm having a lot more fun than you listening to YES's entire catalogue.
As for an instrumental YES album.....Now that would be interesting.......Hopefully not overindulged and
annoying.....And Anderson knows that!

Getting back to ABWH.
Gee, I can't wait for the DVD to arrive in my mail box!

Stop eating that Vegimite, is messing with your head. So you are telling me that Yes is as good now as they were before, c'mon now, you are a mature woman, you know that's not true. I won't give the "lead pipe" correction because I love your country too much although your opinions missed the evolution that the rest of the world went through, just like Australia.

[Roan's Lady]

Another strong candidate for the "lead pipe" correction, but I'll give you break because you said you cry a lot when you hear the mad, ad lib, free for al...wow, that sounds kind of gay.

I think there's something toxic in your drinking water. :razz:

[Dances w/PURPLE]

[QUOTE=Terry Shea;1102295]Gates is sheer musical (and lyrical) genius! The lyrics fit the music perfectly and Mr. Anderson had enough sense to keep quiet during the battle sequence! I don't believe any other band could have pulled this song off and I've never even heard of another band (even a tribute band) attempting to do so. It totally amazes me that they can pull this song off live, what with all the timing and tempo changes and portions that never quite exactly repeat. Every time I watch the live version on Symphonic I get tears in my eyes and start crying during the mad, ad lib, free for all between sections. No other song by Yes or anyone else for that matter affects me like that. The Prophet, Time And A Word and Astral Traveler are quite boring in comparison![/
QUOTE]

Another strong candidate for the "lead pipe" correction, but I'll give you break because you said you cry a lot when you hear the mad, ad lib, free for al...wow, that sounds kind of gay.

You're into S&M I'll bet. Anyway...

Hey Lord of Darkness, I found a picture in the Midvale yearbook of you. Wanna see it?

[Dances w/PURPLE]

I think there's something toxic in your drinking water. :razz:

RL he only drinks Kool-aid!

[Dances w/PURPLE]

[QUOTE=marcelo soza;1102383]

You're into S&M I'll bet. Anyway...

Hey Lord of Darkness, I found a picture in the Midvale yearbook of you. Wanna see it?

Marcelo...Here it comes!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/Patty_Lane/Midvale.jpg

[Dances w/PURPLE]

[QUOTE=Dances w/PURPLE;1102396]

Marcelo...Here it comes!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/Patty_Lane/Midvale.jpg

Marcelo you never did get that door right to the Journalism class did you?!!!

[1yesfan]

This thread is being HIJACKED. Please STOP the bickering in this thread. It is about ABWH, STICK TO IT. Stop the name calling please. PLEASE SCROLL UP and read the READ ME blurb. Respect is lost on some in this thread and it need to stop, NOW!

[SuperSonicScientist]

Can't delete my own posts... sorry!

[1yesfan]

Can't delete my own posts... sorry!


edit is still avail to members to use.

[Internaut]

I've said it before and am saying it again - ABWH to me, signalled that what I perceived as a dreadful period of music ( the 80's) was somehow, almost miraculously rescued by the music on this CD. I personally think MTV had a lot to do with the downgrading of the music of that time. Thankfully, there were a few people putting out some decent music, but it was being dwarfed by a lot of crapola.

It really does not matter if you call the band ABWH or YES, the point is that the MUSIC is fantastic and that it provided HOPE that good music was going to be made again, that "progressive" music was NOT dead!!!

I happen to think YES et al have made "good" music since ABWH was released.

[marcelo soza]

I think there's something toxic in your drinking water. :razz:

Yes, Dances w/purple's aminiotic fluid.

[marcelo soza]

[QUOTE=Dances w/PURPLE;1102406]

Marcelo you never did get that door right to the Journalism class did you?!!!

My dear angel, why are you picking on me so much? Is this love?

[BrianD]

Yes, Dances w/purple's aminiotic fluid.

You certainly have a weird turn of phrase.

[marcelo soza]

[QUOTE=marcelo soza;1102383]

Marcelo are you sure you are 47? Your posts are becoming bizarre at the very least. Make your point and move on....this "lead pipe" stuff is just laughable.

I'M MATURE ALLRIGHT!!! And I tell you more, are you ready? My "thing" is bigger than yours, ha!ha!ha! I've got you there! Na nana nanana!!

[Bradders]

Mmmmm interesting posts you post!

[marcelo soza]

I think there's something toxic in your drinking water. :razz:

Amy, I wanna talk to you because you're the only one who understands me. Don't you think that the greatest disappoitment this band ever gave us was when Anderson appeared with bleached blond hair back in the 80's. God! and I thoght that my idols were all about the music, they didn't need to do that.

[Roan's Lady]

Amy, I wanna talk to you because you're the only one who understands me. Don't you think that the greatest disappoitment this band ever gave us was when Anderson appeared with bleached blond hair back in the 80's. God! and I thoght that my idols were all about the music, they didn't need to do that.

Oh dear.

Sorry, but, lol, I still think you're w---y d--d--s and furthermore, at least fifty c---s sh--t of a f--l d--k. Let's take this outside, you m----nh--d.


ABWH was a lovely surprise during the rather musically-bleak time of its release.

[tardistraveler]

Tim was right - let's keep this thread on topic, guys . . .

I agree with Amy - it was really cool to hear ABWH during the 80's - there was so little Yes activity then.

[Dances w/PURPLE]

Yes, Dances w/purple's aminiotic fluid.


was this suppose to reference ABWH in the early 80's? otherwise it looks as if your trying for humor.


Originally Posted by Dances w/PURPLE:>>>>

Marcelo you never did get that door right to the Journalism class did you?!!!

?????????
My dear angel, why are you picking on me so much? Is this love?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was on a quest to try out my new ward to cast on nasty posts and suddenly!!!

We are a friendly and playful lot here. The music is good but sometimes it isn't but it's never good to pull the quiver back on someone's opinion.

Carry on with ABWH

[marcelo soza]

Oh dear.

Sorry, but, lol, I still think you're w---y d--d--s and furthermore, at least fifty c---s sh--t of a f--l d--k. Let's take this outside, you m----nh--d.


ABWH was a lovely surprise during the rather musically-bleak time of its release.

English isn't my first language so I could not get an A+ on your little "fill the blanks" game. After three hours of trying all the possible combinations I think I got it down now, as follows:

you're woooy doodoos and furthermore, at least fifty cooos shoot of a fool dook. Let's take this outside, you mooonhood.

[Roan's Lady]

English isn't my first language so I could not get an A+ on your little "fill the blanks" game.

Sure you could, if you were one of my students. ;)


After three hours of trying all the possible combinations I think I got it down now, as follows:

you're woooy doodoos and furthermore, at least fifty cooos shoot of a fool dook. Let's take this outside, you mooonhood.

Now that I really did LOL over - that's "laugh out loud". Really, I did! I'll give ya an A+ for that one, and place you in my Advanced Beginner group. See you at 8:45 EST tomorrow morning. :razz:


I think Bill Bruford's presence on ABWH certainly helped propel it to success.

[Dances w/PURPLE]

the ward worked!

(RL yer killin' me here) and I've got you beat by an hour and 45, my start time is 7AM, EST.

ABWH, a nice present to the music front while YES was on hiatus.


One of my very favorite websites!
http://dictionary.reference.com/

[Dances w/PURPLE]

sorry, I can't resist, I love puzzles, going to just solve PART,

what is: "fifty cards short of a full deck".

[Imperatrix]

ABWH---pretty good album; the best Yes show I've ever seen (Great Woods '89 w/Levin).

I'll never forget the incredibly long applause after CTTE....my God.

[marcelo soza]

Sure you could, if you were one of my students. ;)




Now that I really did LOL over - that's "laugh out loud". Really, I did! I'll give ya an A+ for that one, and place you in my Advanced Beginner group. See you at 8:45 EST tomorrow morning. :razz:


I think Bill Bruford's presence on ABWH certainly helped propel
it to success.


Ufa! So, you finally laughed, mission accomplish then. I wish you were PAC.

[marcelo soza]

sorry, I can't resist, I love puzzles, going to just solve PART,

what is: "fifty cards short of a full deck".

I know, I know, you were felling left out because I was talking to Amy, right? Okay, your master is asking you to write this down never to forget.

Last Great Album- CTTE
Last Very Good Album- Tales
Last Good Album-Relayer

[Timmo]

I'd have to say:

Last TRULY great album - Going for the One (Drama/Tormato close)
Last Very Good Album - KeyStudios
Last Good Album - Magnification

[Dances w/PURPLE]

I know, I know, you were felling left out because I was talking to Amy, right? Okay, your master is asking you to write this down never to forget.

Last Great Album- CTTE
Last Very Good Album- Tales
Last Good Album-Relayer

Wonderful!
GREAT Album - Fragile
VG Album-Keys Studio
Good Album - my treasured weed of the performance, 2002, Chicago with the students singing Nine Voices. Just outstanding!

[Olorin]

I've said it before and am saying it again - ABWH to me, signalled that what I perceived as a dreadful period of music ( the 80's) was somehow, almost miraculously rescued by the music on this CD. I personally think MTV had a lot to do with the downgrading of the music of that time. Thankfully, there were a few people putting out some decent music, but it was being dwarfed by a lot of crapola.

Prog had fallen out of vogue by the 80s anyway, killed off by punk and new wave, but for the absolute tidal wave of top-40 crapola, I blame Michael Jackson (aided and abetted by MTV, of course) principally. He had a few songs that were just inescapable, and suddenly EVERYTHING was top-40 twaddle. It was a lean decade for those of us who like music to have a bit more substance--thank GOD for Peter Gabriel.

[Olorin]

Ah forgive me, please.
'Poms' are English people. 'Pommy' is a name used by Australians, often preceeding the word Bast*rds!
:)

Ah, that's what I thought, from context. I just thought maybe it was short for something, like "Pomeranian."

[YesJen357]

Good on 'ya Tim.

Of course ABWH wasn't the last great album.
Yes are still getting better with each album!
-And that's why I want at least one more!!

[YesJen357]

Stop eating that Vegimite, is messing with your head. So you are telling me that Yes is as good now as they were before, c'mon now, you are a mature woman, you know that's not true. I won't give the "lead pipe" correction because I love your country too much although your opinions missed the evolution that the rest of the world went through, just like Australia.
Ah, so it's the vegemite that makes me enjoy YES music so much....
Quick, pass me some more Vegemite!
:) :) :)

[Bo Locks]

Last TRULY great album - Going for the One (Drama/Tormato close)
Last Very Good Album - KeyStudios
Last Good Album - MagnificationTALK: The Last Good "Yes" AlbumIt's all in the definition of "good", isn't it? See, I rate everything after Talk as "not good enough", y'know?

And I'm with you on the last "truly great" album, but that wasn't the question.

[Mind Driver]

Wonderful!
GREAT Album - Fragile
VG Album-Keys Studio
Good Album - my treasured weed of the performance, 2002, Chicago with the students singing Nine Voices. Just outstanding!

Agreed......and I was at that performance in Chicago.