Your Singular Eye

[Bugeyes]

♪...Machine, Messiah
The mindless
Search for a higher
Controller
Take me, to the fire
And hold me
Show me the strength of your
Singular eye...♪.

What does Singular Eye mean to you? :D

[tardistraveler]

Reminds me of Sauron's eye in the LOTR movies . . . that single eye, roving constantly . . .

[Bugeyes]

:thumbup: Tardis

And have you ever met a singular eye?
:lmao:

[JaneEyre]

Diane stole my answer. :(

[Bugeyes]

But have you ever met a singular eye?

In case you haven't speculated yet, YES, I have. :D

I tell you, I don't like this song. It scares me to death!

[prem895]

One eyed zipper snake

[Bugeyes]

:lol: OMG...

Okay, now I'm twisting & crawling!

[Vic Anderson]

i always imagines some sort iof robot maschine that would have only one eye kinda like the maschines from matrix

[Bugeyes]

Or a BORG! Ugh, that's frightening too.

[tardistraveler]

Cylons!

That laser beam going back and forth . . .

[sissywoods]

the singular eye always makes me think of tunnel vision for some reason.. ??

[tardistraveler]

Daleks!

[Purple Wolfhound]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5862/cyclopspj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Altres]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5862/cyclopspj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"Who threw that f*cking ice-cream cone?"

[Altres]

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics10/legume/jesus-cyclops.jpg

[shortexchanges]

The Television Set! I Thought Of The Cbs Logo!

[ctask]

Uh, Does anybody remember the HAL 9000? Dave? What are you doing Dave?

[Purple Wolfhound]

"Who threw that f*cking ice-cream cone?"
:lmao:

[Andrea YouAndI]

Uh, Does anybody remember the HAL 9000? Dave? What are you doing Dave?

That's how I view the singular eye too...some evil computer. That movie freakin' gave me the CREEPS and some bad dreams. Watched it once, don't think I ever will again. :eeek:

I love Machine Messiah! Sort of a composite Yes meets early Rush meets Black Sabbath? When we first heard it, Dad said the opening sounded like Sabbath and I said a lot of it made me think Rush. :lol:

[shortexchanges]

Check Out You Tube, Type In Machine Messiah. There Is A Clip From Alan's Band That Does The Whole Song And Does It Justice.

Along With Gates And Real Love, It Is The Hardest Rocking Yes Song!!

I Never Thought Of The Rush Connection, But I Can See A Tangent Between This Song And 2112!

The Machine Has Assumed Control, ... Assumed Control!!

[Bo Locks]

I see row upon row of robots...

"You'd hold the whole world in your metal claws if it wasn't for the three laws..."

[neilius]

Someone with a glass eye?

[Bugeyes]

Uh, Does anybody remember the HAL 9000? Dave? What are you doing Dave?HAL is one letter away from IBM.


I do not like the MACHINE part of this Messiah. The whole thing (song) is screwy, twisted, mismatched...anguish.


It really makes me wonder.

[sissywoods]

I think this song was way ahead of it's time (*reading the lyrics).
Looking in the dark?

[Bugeyes]

I think this song was way ahead of it's time (*reading the lyrics).
Looking in the dark?
This is what really scares me. And since I have a feeling, a sense of what it means, that I've meet some of it myself, I fear for others.

I've put that singular eye back into it's socket. *It* knows of me. I wonder where *its* freinds lay, and I pray to God I'm ready when they come looking for me.

"...♪ What you gonna do when the lightning strikes and hits you...♪"
Since I know how to ride the thunder while watching the lightning, I'll be fine. But good luck to you all. :dnce: I won't let you follow me unless I'm sure you know where we are going.

[Bugeyes]

:lmao:

Spacer post.

:angel:

[plodder]

could it mean that whoever/whatever the entity Jon's singing about is looking at him with such intensity that it's like having just one eye searching his very soul?

or did the phrase just feel right in the song?

[Bugeyes]

With Jon...doesn't it always just *feel* right in the song? :D Seriously. His voice has been and always will be his instrument.

[Bo Locks]

... whoever/whatever... Jon's singing about...Erm...?

[Bo Locks]

With Jon...doesn't it always just *feel* right...Erm...?

[plodder]

With Jon...doesn't it always just *feel* right in the song? :D Seriously.

yup. He has a happy knack of doing that.

[Bo Locks]

He has a happy knack of doing that.Guys! Trevor?

[Bugeyes]

Yes is YES to me, even when it is Downes/Horn/Howe/Squire/White. I do not know the core of YES. It's a mix, and when this comes down the pipe from the likes of Tormato, ... all I can do is wonder.

So still, Jon will always be the pick up when it comes to YES...for me.

[plodder]

Trevor? Did he write it? I don't know, never heard the song myself.

[Bugeyes]

Mike, the Buggles thought they could get away with it, Jon style, making the Yeggles that made Drama. It's still the same vein.



YES + Buggles = Yeggles

[Bugeyes]

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics10/legume/jesus-cyclops.jpgYou so bad! :lmao:

The point IS humans have two eyes. :D

[Bugeyes]

OMG, it's a camera?
Or, into the lens?

[flep]

A machine messiah with his singular eye.

Hmmmmm

some bloke who controls all the machines all the time and can see and knows everything.

Give it up in a Big brother styleeeee

[Bugeyes]

er...flep, your sig line. Off topic. Alan White knows my name too. He's even said "Hi Peggy" on the radio! :lmao:

Back to your post:
Kind of like...The WIZARD of OZ? :wow:
That's a bummer, been there, done that. I want something new.

[Winston TK]

"Machine Messiah" is basically Trevor Horn's lyrical continuation of themes covered in The Buggles' biggest hit, "Video Killed The Radio Star". Once again, he is dealing with television here, and its hypnotic, sometimes overpowering influence over a culture that allows it to happen. It's an excellent lyric, actually. I remember reading a comment from Horn himself years ago that claimed this.

The "singular eye" is basically the TV screen, or tube, staring back at its viewer.

[Bugeyes]

Ah well...it was fun while it lasted. Yes, you're a killjoy Winston.

But thanks for the info ...and did you have a Happy Birthday? Get any YES stuff?

[Winston TK]

Sorry, Peggy. Didn't mean to be such a downer. (Heh heh).

I always loved the song "Machine Messiah", along with the rest of the superb Drama album. Every song on there is a gem. Well, maybe not "Man In A White Car" quite so much. (Now, THERE'S a song we should discuss!)

When I first bought the album when it came out, I really had no idea what "Machine Messiah" was about. I definitely got a sense of doom, but no real specifics. I'm pretty sure I thought it was about a menacing robot (as has been mentioned already).

I'll always have a special place in my heart for that album. 1980 was when I started to seriously get into Yes after borrowing some of my older sister's records.

And, Peggy, thanks for the birthday wishes. No Yes-related gifts, I'm afraid. But, at least I bought myself "Essentially Yes" for my pre-Christmas present. So, that's a good thing.

[True Believer]

One eyed zipper snake
Oh dear. Why do these threads degenerate so quickly .... ;)

[Bugeyes]

Sorry, Peggy. Didn't mean to be such a downer. (Heh heh).

I always loved the song "Machine Messiah", along with the rest of the superb Drama album. Every song on there is a gem. Well, maybe not "Man In A White Car" quite so much. (Now, THERE'S a song we should discuss!)

When I first bought the album when it came out, I really had no idea what "Machine Messiah" was about. I definitely got a sense of doom, but no real specifics. I'm pretty sure I thought it was about a menacing robot (as has been mentioned already).

I'll always have a special place in my heart for that album. 1980 was when I started to seriously get into Yes after borrowing some of my older sister's records.

And, Peggy, thanks for the birthday wishes. No Yes-related gifts, I'm afraid. But, at least I bought myself "Essentially Yes" for my pre-Christmas present. So, that's a good thing.Downer?! :lmao:
:thumbup:


Double dog dare you: Start another "Man in White Car" thread. :D Lots of people around here hate that one, but it gets little or no response from me, except I drive a white car. :lol: It just doesn't get under my skin like MM does.


I only love Tempus Fugit, and I do mean love it!

Thank God for older sisters with YES albums! All of us would look forward to your comments on Essentially Yes. I am positive there is a thread about in the YES MUSIC forum.


And welcome to posting Winston. I hope you get addicted to it.

[tommyhawk]

Does this have any freaky masonic overtone?
http://www.tpl.toronto.on.ca/images/pro_2006_opera_atelier/03_eye.jpg

[Altres]

Does this have any freaky masonic overtone?
http://www.tpl.toronto.on.ca/images/pro_2006_opera_atelier/03_eye.jpg
It has only freaky masonic overtones. I remember playing a gig years ago with my then band, Fungicide. We were extreme noise merchants, think Napalm Death.

Someone organised a gig by renting a masonic hall. The crusties danced with, and poured cheap cider over their whippets and got out of it. Someone opened the cupboards at either side of the stage and the stuffed goats heads were there and above the stage, a sign like that. Fantastic. :D

Great place for a gig, until the masons found out. We were evicted. LOL

Brian

[tommyhawk]

It has only freaky masonic overtones. I remember playing a gig years ago with my then band, Fungicide. We were extreme noise merchants, think Napalm Death.

Someone organised a gig by renting a masonic hall. The crusties danced with, and poured cheap cider over their whippets and got out of it. Someone opened the cupboards at either side of the stage and the stuffed goats heads were there and above the stage, a sign like that. Fantastic. :D

Great place for a gig, until the masons found out. We were evicted. LOL

Brian
A least you got ideas for a new stage show...

[Altres]

A least you got ideas for a new stage show...
:dog:
Actually, I think it was our last gig. :G

Brian

[BillGuitar]

Does this have any freaky masonic overtone?
http://www.tpl.toronto.on.ca/images/pro_2006_opera_atelier/03_eye.jpg

The Story Of Eye

[tommyhawk]

Actually, my avatar is the singular eye.

[BillGuitar]

Actually, my avatar is the singular eye.

"nuh-unh!"

:winknudge

[Andrea YouAndI]

The Story Of Eye
:lmao:
Hey! Thanks for reminding me to listen to that album again!
I haven't in several months...

[inside_out]

What else can you do (lyric wise) when the rest of the band rocks the living ---- out of you but say.....singular eye. That's what I would say (sing).

[inside_out]

It was (is) Yes, so they had (have) no other choice but to have a singer. Jon wasn't their so what are they to do??? Do what everyone else would do when their Mom and Dad (Jon) isn't home. ROCK THE PLACE DOWN.

[Bugeyes]

Actually, my avatar is the singular eye.I'm telling!

Or is it the ALL SEEING EYE?

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_eye_of_god.htm

[Bugeyes]

It was (is) Yes, so they had (have) no other choice but to have a singer. Jon wasn't their so what are they to do??? Do what everyone else would do when their Mom and Dad (Jon) isn't home. ROCK THE PLACE DOWN.:thumbup:
Kind of like, when the mods are away...:sneaky:

[The Whale]

Uh, Does anybody remember the HAL 9000? Dave? What are you doing Dave?
that was my first thought too...
http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/2001/icons/hal.jpg

[The Whale]

Does this have any freaky masonic overtone?
http://www.tpl.toronto.on.ca/images/pro_2006_opera_atelier/03_eye.jpg

Only to the 33rd degree.

crap creeps me out.

[BillGuitar]

Only to the 33rd degree.

crap creeps me out.

I believe Michael Richards is a Mason, Jeramie...

(or so I had heard)

:confused:

[tormatotork]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b73/tharg69/cy.jpg

[tommyhawk]

http://cache.tias.com/stores/gift/pictures/gd6a.jpg

[Bugeyes]

So, there once was a hobbit, that found a ring...

[brotherofmine]

The 'singular eye' to me means ironically the' third eye' or also known as Ajina Cakra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye

[Bugeyes]

The 'singular eye' to me means ironically the' third eye' or also known as Ajina Cakra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eyeI am the most comfortable with this reasoning...I'm not sure I like the TV as being That Singular Eye.

[Ian B]

Sorry, Peggy. Didn't mean to be such a downer. (Heh heh).

I always loved the song "Machine Messiah", along with the rest of the superb Drama album. Every song on there is a gem. Well, maybe not "Man In A White Car" quite so much. (Now, THERE'S a song we should discuss!)

When I first bought the album when it came out, I really had no idea what "Machine Messiah" was about. I definitely got a sense of doom, but no real specifics. I'm pretty sure I thought it was about a menacing robot (as has been mentioned already).

I'll always have a special place in my heart for that album. 1980 was when I started to seriously get into Yes after borrowing some of my older sister's records.

And, Peggy, thanks for the birthday wishes. No Yes-related gifts, I'm afraid. But, at least I bought myself "Essentially Yes" for my pre-Christmas present. So, that's a good thing.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u172/Ianbroster/Photos%20I%20Like/MachineMessiah.jpg

This is a scan from the 1980 tour program, so apparently, the designers thought so too. Mind you, I don't understand 70% of Yes lyrics anyway. I remember Rick saying that a fan gave Jon a long and involved explanation as to the meaning of the lyrics for 'Going for the One', which Jon agreed was correct. Afterwards, Rick asked Jon if it was true. Jon said, "No, I was just watching the horse racing on the telly!"

[Bugeyes]

...Jon a long and involved explanation as to the meaning of the lyrics for 'Going for the One', which Jon agreed was correct. Afterwards, Rick asked Jon if it was true. Jon said, "No, I was just watching the horse racing on the telly!":lol: I'm sorry for laughing, but yeah, that works!

That is a strange program...for sure, but the designer felt what I felt about MM also.

[brianos]

I've gone back and forth between the idea that it's about television or some futuristic computer-controlled oppressive society, ala ELP's KarnEvil9 (and numerous Dr.Who episodes!). The lyric about cables carrying life to the cities & diamonds of light could fit TV as well as Internet broadcasts.

Definitely heavy & intense! Actually the opening segment always makes me think of themes from Pink Floyd's The Wall - elements of In the Flesh and the 3-note pattern from the Brick in the Wall melody. They're both from the same time period, too... wonder who was listening to who, or if it's just coincidence.

[Bugeyes]

It's a coincidence, brianos. Or PF was listening to YES, of course. :angel:


And then there was Futurama's Leela!

[relayeire]

"Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?" - HAL the one-eyed computer...

the strength of my singular eye has something to do with trousers and snakes...

or maybe it's just a reference to a pirate? arrrhh!!!

[Wild Westie]

Most of us have two eyes. I suggest you find your Third Eye. Seek it! You won't be disappointed :)

[Bugeyes]

It's my favorite eye.

[relayeire]

eye eye, cap'n!

[Bugeyes]

eye eye, cap'n!My brother and I used to greet each other with this comment...as we double poked our own eyes. We thought we were so funny...well, it did make us laugh.

[Bugeyes]

Drama Queen

[luvyesmusic]

Singular eye or as in the Benny Hill skit there was "ol one eye" The television makes sense. However, as most songs there are always song writers who are stuck, maybe looking for inspiration and then find something accidently. I think Trevor , like a lot of "Yes"fans here, had a cat. Trevor was lying on the floor eating pizza when his cat walked by lifting it's tail --revealing it's "Singular Eye".:lame:

[Faceintheplace]

I always figured he meant the machine messiah is a cyclops or it's refering to a camera or videocamera lens which would be conceptual continuity with I am a Camera.

<img src=http://www.firsttvdrama.com/neverf/futurama.gif>

[Wild Westie]

Downer?! :lmao:
:thumbup:


Double dog dare you: Start another "Man in White Car" thread. :D Lots of people around here hate that one, but it gets little or no response from me, except I drive a white car. :lol: It just doesn't get under my skin like MM does.


I only love Tempus Fugit, and I do mean love it!

Thank God for older sisters with YES albums! All of us would look forward to your comments on Essentially Yes. I am positive there is a thread about in the YES MUSIC forum.


And welcome to posting Winston. I hope you get addicted to it.

Is this how you discovered Yes?

I couldn't get ANYONE interested in the band that I discovered at 13. Not one soul to share my new-found enthusiasm.

[luvyesmusic]

" I asked my love to give me shehhhelter_ _ _ _ but all she offered me was dreams"

[Bugeyes]

Is this how you discovered Yes?

I couldn't get ANYONE interested in the band that I discovered at 13. Not one soul to share my new-found enthusiasm.Yes. My sister Dawn was already going to the concert with a slew of older kids, but one of my high school friends (who knew I played piano which wasn't common knowledge) said she had to see me see Wakeman. We were the youngest ones there. While no one had ever, ever, impressed me on piano as Dawn was 15 years old when she entered the Conservatory of Music as a sophomore and everyone in my family played the piano, Mom, Dad and the three older sisters. (I could play anything Dawn could play, but dad says I played better. :D Don't tell Dawn!)

When I saw Wakeman...I was almost dumbstruck, and I know he blew my doors off! This is still one of my most favorite memory. I can still allow myself to be full of wonder and amazement when I recall that day October 6, 1977.

October 6 is also the day Frodo was stabbed by a Mordor blade! :lmao: God, I love being this~weirdly~connected to all these loose dots.

I guess I was around a lot of people who loved YES. It was natural, everyone loved YES when I was growing up.

[relayeire]

Is this how you discovered Yes?

I couldn't get ANYONE interested in the band that I discovered at 13. Not one soul to share my new-found enthusiasm.

that seems to be the magic age... luckily, I had one or two friends who were willing to go along on the journey...

[Sheerah]

that seems to be the magic age... luckily, I had one or two friends who were willing to go along on the journey...

I discovered Yes in junior high school. A friend happend to play Relayer while we were over his house. I think it was his older sister's album. But I went to high school with a bunch of dopers. There was a huge contingency that was into Yes as well as Grateful Dead.

[relayeire]

I discovered Yes in junior high school. A friend happend to play Relayer while we were over his house. I think it was his older sister's album. But I went to high school with a bunch of dopers. There was a huge contingency that was into Yes as well as Grateful Dead.

a friend and I discovered them together... I got Fragile first, but he was the first to venture into CTTE and TFTO... I had Relayer first, though! eventually he stopped buying the albums, but I continued, and expanded out into the solo albums and spinoff bands...

[Wild Westie]

Yes. My sister Dawn was already going to the concert with a slew of older kids, but one of my high school friends (who knew I played piano which wasn't common knowledge) said she had to see me see Wakeman. We were the youngest ones there. While no one had ever, ever, impressed me on piano as Dawn was 15 years old when she entered the Conservatory of Music as a sophomore and everyone in my family played the piano, Mom, Dad and the three older sisters. (I could play anything Dawn could play, but dad says I played better. :D Don't tell Dawn!)

When I saw Wakeman...I was almost dumbstruck, and I know he blew my doors off! This is still one of my most favorite memory. I can still allow myself to be full of wonder and amazement when I recall that day October 6, 1977.

October 6 is also the day Frodo was stabbed by a Mordor blade! :lmao: God, I love being this~weirdly~connected to all these loose dots.

I guess I was around a lot of people who loved YES. It was natural, everyone loved YES when I was growing up.

I love reading Yes - discovery memories.

Peggy,

Now, I see the connection that you have with Wakeman. Cool!

[Wild Westie]

that seems to be the magic age... luckily, I had one or two friends who were willing to go along on the journey...

I've noticed this too, Pete.

I heard this incredible music that my local radio station was playing late one night. WRNO played CTTE in its entirety.

The complexity and virtuosity of Yes blew me away. It was a spiritual experience for me.

My mom gave me the album for Christmas. I forced everyone within a foot of me to listen! They didn't "get it".

Sorry for derailing this thread.

[Hugh Shiebler]

I always figured he meant the machine messiah is a cyclops or it's refering to a camera or videocamera lens which would be conceptual continuity with I am a Camera.

I always wondered if this line was playing on the idea of a singular "I" - for example, in Jungian Psychology, a person who has been through the process of individuation and developed a completed unified self. A self-actualized person, if you will. I have also wondered if was not a reference to Gurdjieff and the Fourth Way, which talks about all of us having multiple "I's" at various times, with no single unified presence.

So, in the song, "Show me the strength of your singular "I" " would be addressed to a highly evolved person or teacher, perhaps even a saint.

[Bugeyes]

I always wondered if this line was playing on the idea of a singular "I" - for example, in Jungian Psychology, a person who has been through the process of individuation and developed a completed unified self. A self-actualized person, if you will. I have also wondered if was not a reference to Gurdjieff and the Fourth Way, which talks about all of us having multiple "I's" at various times, with no single unified presence.

So, in the song, "Show me the strength of your singular "I" " would be addressed to a highly evolved person or teacher, perhaps even a saint.WAY! That's what I'm hoping...there has to be more that "just a lens" to this!