Weeding / Trading Guidelines

[nightliner]

UPDATED : 06/02/02

It was suggested Yesfans.com post somethig concerning the trading guidelines.

From what we have been told through various sources, Yes does not mind the trading of audience recordings. They are aware that they have released a limited amount of live material and there is definately a desire for more. The key here is trading, not selling. By fans trading material, it helps take money away from the bootleggers, which no band likes. The optiumum situation is trading cd's, videos, etc, for the same. If the situation arises that someone wants something you have, but they have nothing to trade you, it is acceptable to "charge" them enough money to cover the costs of the materials and shipping. Of course, if anyone can afford to give them away, go for it, and be appreciative of their generosity. Even if you have to pay for shipping, its still a good deal. Nobody wants to pay $50.00 for a cd someone is willing to trade for $5.00.

There are a few things not tradable. Those are demo songs, studio outtakes, and especially those items that are commercially available. Trading copies of The Ladder or Magnification, for example, should never occur. Granted Yesfans.com, or anyone else for that matter, cannot stop this from happening, but if you insist on doing it, keep away from here, if found out you will be banned from this site. Any requests for copies of something that can be bought on the internet or your local shopping mall, will be deleted and your membership banned.
Out of print items are kind of a "grey area". We would imagine they can be traded here, but we would prefer we keep this area to audience type recordings.

Another area that is tradable would be shows recorded by you off the tv or radio. If it was broacast over the airwaves, we figure it's free game.
It's pretty much common sense, if it is going to take $$ away from Yes, don't do it here then!!!!!


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Thanks for reading...and lets all try to help our fellow Yesfans get the music they so desperatly desire.

ANYTHING PURCHASED THROUGH THIS SITE IS AT BUYERS BEWARE, SITE OWNERS/ADMINS/MOD, ANYONE IN YES AND IT'S MANG. YESWORLD, ANYTHING YES, IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING SOLD THROUGH THIS SITE. BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!

Please refrain from referring to the show you offer for trades as "bootlegs". In the music business that refers to shows that are sold for money. That is a bad thing, and we don't want to give the band any idea whatsoever that any of us are bootleggers. If we discover any on the site, they will be removed.

Your Yesfans staff

[nightliner]

At the request of leqin I thought I'd start this little thread explaining what a weed is. No, its not that thing that grows in your garden that you spend time and money getting rid of. And no, its not that illegal weed that you spend money on to help you waste time. I'm talking about weeding out music to your fellow Yesfans members.

If someone has an "audience recording" they'd like to share with the group, they offer a weed. This means they will make (generally) three copies. Two go to people who can copy and will offer it back to the group. The other copy goes to a poor soul who likes Yesmusic, but has no way to make copies.

If you wish to get a copy of an offered weed, email or pm that person saying what show you're interested in, and include your full name and proper mailing address. You don't want to post your information in the open forum. You never know who may be looking in.

When re-offering a weed, its good to do it within a couple of days of receiving the disc. Its often a good idea to listen to them, or at least check to make sure everything's ok. (Upbgirl has a bad habit of sending blank discs.) :D It's also a nice idea to notify the sender that you received the discs. Its just common courtesy.

[nightliner]

Glad you guys liked my work. Now, if only I could get some females to feel the same way leqin does, I'd be doing ok.:D

I thought of something else. In the event you do get a blank or defective disc, politely send them a message and request a replacement.

[nightliner]

It has come to my attention that some people are signing up for the same weed more than once. Now, I know everyone wants copies of the new tour asap, but PLEASE do not sign up for the same weed several times. Send a pm to the person offering that show, and if, you hear that you weren't quick enough, then sign up for another one. Don't keep signing up over and over again. All that does is confuse people and slow down the process. It might end up that one person is getting several copies while someone else is losing out on their opportunity...unneccessarily. There are enough weeds and re-weeders right now that everyone who wants a copy of a show should be able to get it in a reasonably short period of time.

Thank you.

Dave

[nightliner]

I have noticed that as well. I've also seen some people who I know have burning capabilities sign up for a burnerless copy. It is shameful. I agree. I've contacted some of those people in hopes of correcting, or at least improving that situation.

[pauli]

Re: faulty discs, I'll echo what someone (Braniff92, I think) said previously in this thread, or a related thread:
When you post a new re-weed offer, please post the username of the person you received it from, and the people you will be sending copies to. That way we can trace the history, if necessary.

I have received "off-quality" weeds from people who didn't know they were bad, and they had to be traced back through a couple of people to find a good-quality original.
Often I can repair them -- remove gaps, etc. -- but a couple have been really messed up!

[Silent_wings]

Thing is guys

It's not Fair.

It's not fair to the people without burners who might not get to have the show.
It's not fair to those who are on a limited budget but still find some extra money for stamps.
It's not fair to the people who take there responsibility seriously.
And it is a responsibility.
When you ask for a weed you are excepting the responsibility that comes with being a part of the trading group here at Yesfans.
We take it on faith that you are what you say you are.
If your having serious finical problems or if your burner dies tell the person that your asking for the weed from. They might burn an extra copy for you or let you do it as blanks and postage.
But don't take a spot that's for a non-burner.

[PO]

I would also like people to include the disc info when they weed out their discs.

So many times I see a show offered and all I see in the weed offering is a date and the number of discs. It's a very simple copy/paste function. Many other trade groups require all pertinent info, including quality ratings and source info. This site is certainly friendly and relaxed, but the accuracy and content is pretty minimal. How can I tell if two weeds of the same show are from the same source?

Why don't I do the research myself? Because I included all of this information when I did do a few weeds.

Also, a setlist form forgottenyesterdays.com doesn't tell me what is on each disc.

[InverYes]

1. Keep an eye out in the Trading Room for something that you'd like to get hold of

2. The weeder will be offering one copy to anyone who doesn't have a burner, and two copies to people who do have a burner. If you can burn, you should ask for a burner copy and leave the burnerless copy to someone who doesn't have a burner.

3. Send a PM to the weeder giving them your address and ask for a burner copy

4. Post on the thread that you have asked for a burner so everyone else knows what is going on.

5. If you got a request in in time, the weeder will send you a PM confirming you have got a copy. They'll also post on the thread confirming who all got what and, when all three copies have been claimed, they'll close the thread

6. In a short while you'll receive your CD's in the post. PM the sender to let them know they arrived OK.

7. You have to then start a thread offering three copies - one burnerless and two burners. LIST THE TRACKS ON THE CD's AND ALL THE INFORMATION RE DATE, VENUE ETC. that you got from the initial thread. Also thank whoever you received it from as that helps us trace the lineage of the weed. Ask folk to PM you with their request.

8. You then receive the PM's and decide who gets what on a first come first served basis

9. Post who got what on your thread , close the thread and then burn the three copies and send them out.

Dead easy, and in no time you will have a great collection of fabulous music.

Have fun.

[JL]

At what point, after you've offered a weed and bumped the thread several times and still have no takers, is it OK to make it a burnerless special?

I have a couple of weeds I offered up, one from Tormato and one Masterworks, that have the b'less copies taken but no burners. It's been several weeks and I have three copies of these shows laying around, only one of which I need.

What's the consensus on this?

[nightliner]

You've waited long enough. After a week or two, if no one signs up for a weed, you're free to do what you want with them.

[nightliner]

A few things every weed or reweed offer should contain...

The date and location of the show.
The setlist.
A description of the sound. Is it a sounboard or audience recording? Are there gaps, incomplete songs? Any other problems people might want to be aware of? A rating of the sound is a nice thing, but it is rather subjective. Your B might only be a C to someone else.
A link to any artwork you know of would also be appreciated.

[WillieThePimp]

quick qestion, say someone weeds up a show, two people get it, do they both reqeed the show at the same time or does the first person to offer it back go first, then once thats done, the other goes?

[packattack4]

Also how long do you keep a reweed up if noone claims any part of it?

[InverYes]

Willie, just offer it back as soon as you can after you receive it.

Sometimes ( often ) there will be more than one re-weed of the same show on offer at the same time, but that's OK. One might be from, say, the US and one the UK - that would mean the person requesting a copy could ask for it from their own country and save the weeder a bit of postage and dleivery time. Also it means two burnerless will be up for grabs thereby spreading the music around a bit more.

[InverYes]

Also how long do you keep a reweed up if noone claims any part of it?

I can't see any reason for not leaving it open. New people might join the site and find a show they want from an old offer. Unless the member offering the weed has left the site they should still be able to ask for it.

Can't seee any need to "close" an offer that hasn't been fully taken up?