Would You Want Another Union Tour?

[1yesfan]

Would you like to see another Union tour?

[kh_khatru]

My son has a friend, 18 years old, who is really into Trevors movie sound tracks, thats what is getting him interested in yes. He was playing the score from Gone In 6o seconds. I have to admit I really liked the sound, it sounds prog yet more modern than current yes stuff. I think trevor could be a great asset to the band if he could get cooperation from the rest of the band, Howe, could act as a producer, writer, whatever. I thnk it whould bring a new punch to the band.

[1yesfan]

I agree. Maybe some day Rabin may get back in the fold. Perhaps after this tour/album as it is what they have ben wanting to do, something wild, they will head back towards Rabin stuff. Who knows, stranger things have happened with this band.

[nightliner]

I still think they should have gotten Trevor to do the orchestral arrangements for this album and tour. After all, writing and recording movie soundtracks has given him a lot of experience in that area. He could of then done the keys on tour. Steve might have even been able to get along with him since he would not be trying to steal his limelight. That last comment is not how I saw Trevor's participation in the band, but I think it was the way Steve saw things.

[1yesfan]

I think Rabin has grown up (we all do as we get older) and would be a easier to get along w/from Howes end of things. I think Rabin would abe a HUGE asset, specially as he does even more movies. Think about it, he is slowly becoming the soundtrack to many younger folks today. ALl the movies he does are all hitting the same age group. Perhaps a HUGE soundtrack for him then some Yes involvment which would put them back on the map. Sorry guys, but Yes would LOVE to pack the houses more then they do, even if it means going back towards the commercial side of things! MONEY and CROWDS to talk to an extent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br>
:band:

[Robert Shupe]

One of the most interesting possibilities about Yes was made by Rick Wakeman. He talked about how Yes could go on long after we depart from this earth. This requires new blood and members. It is great to see Yes survive the cast changes. I would greatly enjoy another Union tour. I loved the first one. Each member has contributed to the mythos of the band which has had a span other bands dream of having. The Union tour represented the past, present, and possible future. Do it again?
A resounding YES.
Robert Shupe

[jcostello]

I'd like to see a Union 2 tour with Patrick Moraz and Geoff Downes at the keyboards. Or, how about a joint Yes/ELP band effort with Keith Emerson, Greg Lake (as the second guitarist; he could also do a bass duet with Squire on The Fish) and Carl Palmer as the second drummer? They could perform Yessongs, ELP tunes and Asia songs.

John C.

[rrencko]

I like that idea alot John!!!

[fragilesi]

Oh definitely let's have another Union tour! It was superb last time and I think that another one could be just as good. Very hard to organise but just as good.

Personally I'd rather that they just stuck to Yes rather than including ASia etc stuff but by adding Moraz and Downs maybe we'd see some more Relayer and Drama stuff which I'd like to see.

Basically I think that the tour should deviate more from the existing setlists and bring in some more missing classics (South Side of the Sky, Parallels, Turn of the Century, On The Silent WIngs of Freedom, Sound Chase etc etc).

Simon.

[jcostello]

I don't know how Steve would feel about this, but if we're going with Moraz and Downes as the keyboardists (and not doing the joint Yes/ELP tour), I'd like to see Peter Banks as the second guitarist. That way, in addition to Relayer and Drama tunes, the band could do interesting dual guitar things with songs from the first two albums.

Peace, Love, and I Want To Hear Banks Go Nuts on "Eleanor Rigby" Again,

John C.

[Olias of NYC]

I'd hate to bring down this happy groove but I think another Union tour would not accomplish much and could only really hurt things. For one the logistics of the first one, from what I gather from interview, was a nightmare and would I would be even worse this time. The first Union tour was one of those amazing feats of will power to do the unheard of--put 8 musicians who all at one time were in this band, who all have big personalities and get them to subvert that into a single sound. There seems to me to be no reason for them to do it again, nor interest on the part of the band. They did it, some of it worked. some didn't, it's done. Personally, I have to give some credit to Steve for continuing to work at something he clearly is not comfortable with, namely playing with another guitarist--Steve Hackett on the GTR tour, Trevor on Union and Sherwood on OYE and the Ladder. He gives it a go, but after seeing him do all the guitar work himself on the stage, I think it is much better that he plays alone. It sounds better and he seems happier which makes the feel better. If anything Steve should play and Trevor should produce. But, and I'm gonna hear about this, Trevor should never be involved with Yes again. I don't think he was a good fit from the beginning. I think his aims in music, as well as his way of going about it, are different than the rest of Yes. Now I'm not saying what he did wasn't good but it wasn't the organic music that means Yes to me. He came in with the songs written and the band played them with changes here and there. He wrote songs that had a hook and could get airplay and that might be fine and all but it's not the reason I listen to Yes. I wish him all the best with film scoring, to be honest it's a more respectable forum for a professional musician than rock musician. I mean who would know Danny Elfman if he stayed in Oingo Boingo (not that there is any comparison with Yes) but for someone like Trevor who enjoys running the show he is in the right chair now. Yes wasn't his band but a stop along the way to being a professional musician, so I say let's leave him out of the band's future.

Now to return to the matter at hand, Yes does best with five musicians. They don't need any more than that, and although I think "Awaken" on the Union tour was phenomenal and the best I've heard live, the other songs were crowded and therefore not as fluid as the music on the Masterworks tour. In fact, I would in a small venue playing some really great music than in a big arena with a stage full of musicians (although I am looking forward to seeing what they do with an orchestra). But this latest tour is just a let's do it to see what it would be like kind of thing.

Better than another Union tour with different musicians from the past, how about smaller shows in a jazz club or cabaret size club with Bill, Moraz or Downes, and Steve or Banks and throw in Tony Levin on bass. That would be something that would truly get my interest piqued.

[Starship Trooper]

Even though I always have preferred Howe over Rabin any day of the week, I think it would be interesting to see a lineup of Rabin on guitar, Wakeman on keys, Squire, White and Anderson. Rabin and Wakeman never got a chance to write and play together, just the two of them. Bruford is great, but him ever coming back to Yes is about as unlikely as Rick Wakeman playing Relayer keyboard parts note-for-note; all Bruford does is go around telling everybody how much he likes NOT being in Yes anymore!

This lineup would not only be spectacular instrumentally but vocally as well, because it doesn't take a genius to figure out that singing isn't one of Steve Howe's strengths and Trevor Rabin has lead-vocals talent. That could be the strongest Yes lineup ever.

Again, I totally prefer Howe and his material over the poppy 90125-type stuff but now that Howe isn't as animated anymore on stage and it isn't quite as exciting seeing him play as it used to be, this idea sounds interesting. Rabin is just such an amazing talent, probably the one most talented person Yes has ever had! The guy can do anything.

[jcostello]

I agree that Rabin and Wakeman would be interesting, but I think it's almost as unlikely that either will return to the Yes fold as it is that Bill Bruford will ever be in Yes again. I think they're both happier working outside of the group.

A couple of other one-shot "union/reunion" ideas for you, though. July 7, 2002 will mark the 25th anniversary of the release of the GFTO album. How about one concert with Anderson, Howe, Squire, White and Rick Wakeman where they perform the entire album, along with some other songs? They could do it as a pay-per-view, record the show, and it could also be released as a video/DVD and a live album?

Or, how about one show with the original lineup -- Anderson and Squire with Banks, Kaye and Bruford, if the latter three can be talked into it -- performing the complete Time and A Word album with an orchestra, and some other songs?

I liked it when Cheap Trick did a recent tour where they did complete albums live during shows, and I think the idea would work even better with Yes. Other good choices would be CTTE and The Yes Album.

[1yesfan]

Finally, someone that see's that Howe is BORING on stage, outside his playing, I can't tell he is there at times.

[Starship Trooper]

:(

Yeah, I don't know why Howe is so stiff up there on stage now. He sure didn't used to be that way on the ABWH and Union Tours, or anytime before those. I think his new business approach to stage charisma started on the 1997 OYE Tour. But the guy can still play!

[Tanbar]

I would like to see another Union tour because Billy Sherwood is by far my favorite Yes-member. (We have the same birthday) The reason for this is, way back in 1996 at my first Yesshow, I gave Billy a beaded spider and he kissed me on the cheek. The impact of that kiss on 12-year-old moi was fenomenal. No other member could ever show him up, because I was 12 and had never been kissed.

Sooner,
~Zig~

[David Palmer]

Originally posted by jcostello
I agree that Rabin and Wakeman would be interesting, but I think it's almost as unlikely that either will return to the Yes fold as it is that Bill Bruford will ever be in Yes again. I think they're both happier working outside of the group.

A couple of other one-shot "union/reunion" ideas for you, though. July 7, 2002 will mark the 25th anniversary of the release of the GFTO album. How about one concert with Anderson, Howe, Squire, White and Rick Wakeman where they perform the entire album, along with some other songs? They could do it as a pay-per-view, record the show, and it could also be released as a video/DVD and a live album?

Or, how about one show with the original lineup -- Anderson and Squire with Banks, Kaye and Bruford, if the latter three can be talked into it -- performing the complete Time and A Word album with an orchestra, and some other songs?

I liked it when Cheap Trick did a recent tour where they did complete albums live during shows, and I think the idea would work even better with Yes. Other good choices would be CTTE and The Yes Album.

[David Palmer]

The first time i saw Yes live was in 71 or 72 in Memphis Tennessee. I remember that the Eagles was the warm up band as they had just came out with Take it Easy. But when Yes came onstage it really blew me away. It was the Close to the Edge tour and it was more music than lights ECT: They played their best music, I wish i could see the same show again with Wakeman doing his magic. I saw them again on the yessongs tour at the new Memphis Convention center that wasn,t even finished at the time. All the seats were like on a main floor with no risers and the band was using a quad sound system that bounced off the walls like crazy. It was a good show to watch with all the props and such but the sound left alot to be desired. I still liked the show but it was not nearly as good as the first time i saw them live on the Close to the Edge tour.

[Amnesiac9]

I think it would be a huge step into regression for YES to allow Trevor Rabin back into the band. The quality of music put out by YES, during Trevor's stint in the band, dropped significantly... nearly to the point of being rubbish. The line-up they have now, with the exception of Wakeman's abscense, is the classic and most brilliant line-up of YES' history. The Union album, and subsequent tour, was a desperate attempt at commercialization of the band... and most of YES music is not commercially viable. That is what Trevor represents, to me, the commercialization of YES. I would be most displeased, and would definitely not shell out any money, toward a YES that contained Trevor Rabin. I'm sure he'll continue to do what he's doing now anyway... he makes much more money, which is what he cares about.

[1yesfan]

THEY ALL CARE ABOUT THE MONEY!

[yesskater]

It would be very interesting indeed to see what lineup would comprise a Union II tour. The concert and music environment is definitely different in 2001 than it was 10 years ago. I still can't believe that between April of 1991 and September of 1992, I saw Yes (twice), Rush, Genesis and ELP.
I think an interesting combination would be Jon, Steve, Chris, Rick, and Alan and Bill. Apparently Bill has mixed feelings about his contributions to Yes, but of the '91 tour instrumental pairings, I think Alan and Bill worked best together, with mutual respect and professionalism between both drummers. I always like Bill's quote from a magazine interview during that tour: "Alan is definitely the meat and potatoes; I'm more like the hollandaise sauce!"
I would love to see Trevor do a round with Yes, but he seems to be scoring every fifth or sixth film that comes out of Hollywood (all of it excellent music), so he appears to have a full plate.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT TONY KAYE'S BEEN UP TO LATELY? I think he's an important element of Yes' early classics (and whatever 80s resurgence songs he actually played on), and although he's the "feel" player to Rick's wizardry, I would like to see the original keyboardist throw some Hammond chords out there.

SK8R

I agree with amnesiac9 regarding Trevor. Let him score all the movies he wants but leave Yes alone forever PLEASE! It has taken the band a significant amount of time to begin to get their bearings again. They don't have that kind of time to waste anymore. We need Yes to be Yes and when Rabin was with them, they never were.




Choose and renounce throwing chains to the floor...

[1yesfan]

"regarding Trevor. Let him score all the movies he wants but leave Yes alone forever PLEASE! It has taken the band a significant amount of time to begin to get their bearings again"

Are you saying Yes been lost since the Rabin era?? He has been gone now for what, 7-8 years??? Since he has left they have done plenty to contribute to the BEARING issue.
I blame what happened to them more on the music that was playing at the time then him being in Yes. The music scene was changing big time in the early 90's. Radio play changed, sounds changed. Yes type of music of that time was going out and is still out!!!

[jcostello]

Originally posted by yesskater
Apparently Bill has mixed feelings about his contributions to Yes, but of the '91 tour instrumental pairings, I think Alan and Bill worked best together, with mutual respect and professionalism between both drummers. I always like Bill's quote from a magazine interview during that tour: "Alan is definitely the meat and potatoes; I'm more like the hollandaise sauce!"

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT TONY KAYE'S BEEN UP TO LATELY?

SK8R

To be honest, I wasn't that impressed by the Bill-Alan drums/percussion duet, although they didn't have a lot of time to put something together for the tour. Given more time, I bet they could come up with something more intriguing. Actually, I was thinking that Alan could spend more time on the piano/keyboards, with Bill filling the drums/percussion void, if you have them both in the band (kind of like what Genesis did with Bill once when they wanted to have Phil Collins do more vocals, less drums).

I think Tony Kaye is still working as a producer, rather than as a keyboard player. A friend of mine thought that he also produced a video for the band Soul Asylum, but we were never able to confirm that.

Peace, Love, and I'll Take Some Sauce on My Meat and Potatoes, Please,

John C.

[bataisflow]

Please! No more Rabin. "I would've waited forever" for the original lineup. No more Metallica meets Yes. Sorry if I offend.

[1yesfan]

Rabin Yes was hardly Metallica sounding music. PLEASE. :nono:

[bataisflow]

Some of Talk certainly is and especially in cocert! OK maybe not that extreme? how bout Yes meets Van Hagar?

[1yesfan]

Ok, Van Hagar Yes is a little better. I liked the Hagar version of Eddies group, so Van Yes was not bad for me either!

To 1YesFan regarding Yes getting their bearings since the departure of Rabin, I think that we all as humans create influences on each other in both positive and negative ways. I also think that this factor is in effect particularly strongly with artists and musicians as that creation is their craft. As some have commented in this section before, Rabin's musical scores have a certain "prog" sound to them and it was also noted that it was good. I think that this is entirely due to the influence that Yes had on him as he certainly did not bring any of that to the table when he walked in with "Owner of a Lonely Heart". By the same token, I think that the influence that he brought to Yes was a deconstructing one that was perhaps further influenced by the era/music industry... Influences may be hard to shake and talent/creativity is an ethereal quality. Once something is unduly affected/influenced, it may take a long time to gather one's resources again. It's also possible that the quality necessary to make that magic of art occur in reality, might never manifest itself again. That's why I am so adamantly and forever upset with Trevor--for his influence, I feel, almost caused the end of the greatest musical entity of all times. I'm sure that I'll get lots of negativity about this but I really do think that influences can last a very long time and have longstanding repercussions that are not always clearly discernible, particularly at first. I don't doubt at all that Rabin had (and from what people have said, still has) a certain quality, a very powerful quality about his talent that makes him a force to be reckoned with. I also admit that he brought lots of people to Yes at a time when Yes was not doing so well. My only position is that Rabin's influence was ultimately destructive and long-lasting, of which they are only recently being able to fully leave behind.
As to their music being out, I think that is a factor of their age--that is--the media is always on the lookout for the youth culture and that's what gets played and known and ultimately purchased. I saw a piece on TV a couple of weeks ago about Limp Biskit. They were saying how payola got them played and by getting so much airplay, kids started to believe that they were the next greatest thing, when in fact it was just payola that indoctrinated and influenced sales. I think that if Yes got airplay like Limp Biskit did, their sales would skyrocket too. Perhaps we all need to pool our funds to buy some airtime for our favorite group.


High the memory carry on
While the moments start to linger

[jcostello]

Trevor is a weird guitar-playing creature, to be sure. On the one hand, the guy was doing "power pop" in the late '70s, yet one of his guitar influences is John McLaughlin, AND he showed a fondness for Yngwie/Van Halen/Satriani riffage when he was in Yes. OK, a lot of music in the '80s sucked, but 90125 was still the best album I heard in 1983, with the exception of the Police's Synchronicity (Michael Jackson's "Thriller" may have outsold everything, but I stand by my opinion). "Big Generator" was a weaker effort than 90125, but it was still one of the best albums of 1987 (which, other than Pink Floyd's "Momentary Lapse of Reason," was a lean year for rock music, again, in my opinion).

But would Yes have been better off without Trevor? Hard to say, not knowing what the alternative would have been, but let's consider a couple of possibilities: 1) Yes would have never gotten back together again after the "Drama" album, and we wouldn't be having this Trevor discussion because there would have been no "Trevor Rabin in Yes" era, or
2) Somebody other than Trevor would have become the guitarist, and maybe "Owner" and 90125 would have still been successful, maybe Guitarist X wouldn't have left to allow Steve back in the group, maybe the album would have flopped and 90125 would have been the last Yes album. Or Jon Anderson doesn't come back, which also would have changed the fate of the band in some way (probably no Yes).

Again, no way to know, but let's consider, for the fun of it, Door #3: Rather than forming Asia, Steve Howe and Geoff Downes rejoin with Squire and White, and bring Jon back into the fold, to reform Yes. What would have happened then? Some sort of mutant combination of the first (second?) Asia album and 90125? Would it have been a hit or not? What would the band's fate have been? Again, no way to know.

OK, enough hypotheticals. While I think that Yes is a better band with Steve instead of Trevor, maybe there wouldn't be a Yes today if Trevor hadn't joined. No, I'm definitely not saying he "saved" Yes; you have to give some of the credit for that to the other four members who decided to re-up in '83, and some of the credit or blame for 90125 to Trevor Horn. "Big Generator" was a mess, but it's not fair to lay all the blame for that on Trevor (although, if he was the one who came up with that silly "I eat at Chez Nous" line, I might be inclined to give him a bit more blame). The excesses of the '80s didn't wear well on Squire, Jon could have written better lyrics on some of the songs (some of his lyrics are excellent, some are as bad as/not much better than the "Chez Nous" lameness), and maybe Yes not so simply fell victim to the era/music industry, and to their own egos and other foibles.

In my opinion, Trevor made some good contributions to the four albums (and 9012Live: The Solos) on which he was guitarist, partial composer, part-time keyboardist, etc., and maybe those four or five albums wouldn't have been much better if Steve had played on them instead of Trevor, with the possible exception of Union, on which, in my opinion again, the ABWH tracks were stronger than the Rabin Yes tracks. It's all a matter of opinion, but it's fun to talk about, isn't it?

Peace, Love, and Would Steve Have Eaten at Chez Nous?,

John C.

Well John, that was certainly a thoughtful reply but I do have a couple of things I would like to respond to.
I agree there was not a lot of very interesting music happening in the 80's and I believe an argument can certainly be made that whatever Yes was doing at the time was the best that was happening for that time and at that time. As it was absolutely true for the 70's, why not the 80's too?
Regarding whether or not Yes is/was better off without ever having had Trevor--a lot of senarios can be imagined with lively and varied discussion on both sides, as you have demonstrated several in his favor.
My position on this issue however, is to view Yes strictly from an artistic point of view. I think they suffered artistically when Trevor was with them and also believe that his influence left a long-lasting flavor, long after his departure. They only began to demonstrate that they were leaving behind this influence, in my humble opinion, with the creation of "The Ladder". I think that "The Ladder" was the renewal of Yes sans Trevor and though it was not their greatest work, I was happy with the direction they were demonstrating. There were some nice songs too.
One could discuss each of your case studies but I don't think that is really the point. I believe the point is, how was Yes affected artistically, for how long, and is recovery possible. Then I must ask myself, was it really worth it? If the answer is that there would be no Yes today if Trevor had not gotten them the acclaim when he did. That is a difficult question. I remember reading an interview with radiohead when Thom Yorke said that when they stop being creative, they will fold up shop. I think that is a strong and powerful argument.
Yet, seeing Yes in Masterworks and Symphonic Yes, and being so very happy that I did, I cannot say that I would have preferred that they would have simply disbanded in the 80's when the music scene changed so much as to no longer have a space for them. I also can't help but believe that with the talent that Yes has, that they would not have thought of something to remain creative and vital even though the music scene no longer embraced them. Sort of like what is happening now.
I think it's a miracle that they survived that detour into hades and are back with the happiness that they have created once more. Then again, they are a miracle all by themselves, each time they perform and create. They are truly Wonderous Stories all by themselves. How much better a place the world is to have them with us. How happy I am to hear them!




As he spoke my spirit climbed into the sky

[jcostello]

Originally posted by yessiree
My position on this issue however, is to view Yes strictly from an artistic point of view. I think they suffered artistically when Trevor was with them and also believe that his influence left a long-lasting flavor, long after his departure. They only began to demonstrate that they were leaving behind this influence, in my humble opinion, with the creation of "The Ladder". I think that "The Ladder" was the renewal of Yes sans Trevor

I agree with you on everything except for this. Even though it wasn't officially released as a Yes album, I think Yes bounced back pretty quickly from Big Generator with the first ABWH album. It was a Yes album in everything but name, despite the fact that Chris Squire wasn't on it.

I think Yes would have continued to get the bad taste of the Trevor-flavoring out of their mouth with Union, but they made the mistake of dragging Yes West songs into it ("The More We Live (Let Go)" was the one worthwhile contribution from Rabin and friends, and it was worthwhile mostly because of Chris, not Trevor), and the even bigger mistake of letting Jonathan Elias do the worst engineering/production job on it this side of Alan Douglas. There were some good songs there, but it was difficult to tell with the studio chicanery and having "half of California playing on it" (Rick Wakeman's words).

I agree with the artistic dropoff assessment, though. I think Yes did their most artistic music when Steve and Rick were together in the band (although I like Relayer and The Ladder), and with the exception of Open Your Eyes (which does go along with your point that, after Trevor came back for Talk, then left again, it took some time for Yes to regain its musical bearings), the Trevor albums have the most artistic-dud tracks of any Yes albums in the band's history.

If Steve Howe decides to leave Yes, I hope Trevor isn't the replacement.

Peace, Love, and Trevor Should Stick to Soundtracks,

John C.

John,
Of like minds once more! See all it took was a little communication. You were right about ABWH. It should have been considered and was erroneously left out. What a great album!
Speaking of Steve's departure...oh my, let us all never utter those words lest they manifest in reality! We need Steve like we need Jon. We need them all to bring into existence that which we need to survive. So, please, no more talk about Steve leaving. And may Trevor find continued happiness and fulfillment in sound tracks.


Countenance of love for one and all

[illusion]

I voted No. Why? The ego's of the band are far too big. And recently I've been going off Rabin-era Yes anyway. I'd much rather see Edge, The Ancient and Gates than the Big Generator album live. Nothing against Trevor of course.

Trevor is happy doing soundtracks. Yes are happy playing live. Let It Be.

[Q]

I think I would rather have all my fingernails slowly pulled out than to get pulled into this argument again -- but I will say that it is most pleasing to see such a strong majority willing to consider the possibilities of such a direction ...

[SEYYES]

Like Quantum,I feel this debate is torturous...However..I maintain that Rabin,indeed save Yes..created most of the best tracks during his time..(I could never listen to "The More We Live...:" after the first time ,yet some consider it some type of classic!).."Miracle of Life" was a fantastic song...until the Anderson chanting routine(Atlantica..Pacifica..jeez!!) pulled it down!..Trevor Rabin was,and is a Yes fan,and lived out a fantasy...he played with them!!!!----Remember,it was he and Squire who locked on- Chris must have seen something,(and saw the oppurtunity for some kick ass bass!!!) Rabins ok w/me.....Blame Sqire ,if you must...

[ycantibu]

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say Rabin was a Yes fan per se before joining the band. I seem to recall an interview sometime [if anyone else recalls it, let me know what it is from] where he said he had Fragile and a couple wakeman solo LP's before joining the band.

I think a Union tour would be interesting, but unworkable. Rabin is way to busy and I don't see any benefit in re-joining Yes, other than having a chance to hang out with Squire, White and Wakeman. I can see how he could want a break from the studio though.

[jcostello]

Originally posted by SEYYES
Like Quantum,I feel this debate is torturous...However..I maintain that Rabin,indeed save Yes..created most of the best tracks during his time..(I could never listen to "The More We Live...:" after the first time ,yet some consider it some type of classic!).."Miracle of Life" was a fantastic song...until the Anderson chanting routine(Atlantica..Pacifica..jeez!!) pulled it down!..Trevor Rabin was,and is a Yes fan,and lived out a fantasy...he played with them!!!!----Remember,it was he and Squire who locked on- Chris must have seen something,(and saw the oppurtunity for some kick ass bass!!!) Rabins ok w/me.....Blame Sqire ,if you must...

I think that Jon, Chris, Alan and Trevor "saved" Yes (god, it makes Yes sound like a thing that you can store in your freezer or something, like a piece of wedding cake). I still wonder how much keyboard Tony Kaye actually played on "90125," and how much was Trevor. As for "Union," I guess I'm one of the people who consider "The More We Live" a classic (you've got to enjoy the table scraps that Chris gives you (one solo album in '76, the occasional track on a Yes album), although I admit that I still haven't bought "Conspiracy," mostly because I can't find someone I trust who's willing to say anything good about it.) What are you blaming Squire for? And what this about Trevor and Chris "locking on"? It makes them sound like part of the crew of "Star Trek" ("Mr. Squire, lock on tractor beams"). As for the Anderson chanting, I agree it was a bit cheesy (I'm surprised he didn't chant "Arista" as well, as it was the band's record label at the time and would have fit in with the "Atlantica, Pacifica," as well as the album's overweaning corporateness).

Peace, Love, and I'd Like to Hear the "Union" Songs As They Would Have Sounded If Jonathan Elias Hadn't Got Hold of Them,

John C.

[Q]

I would argue that we haven't seen a true "union" yet, and even the pseudo-Union tour, though not a real collaboration, was such a joyous musical feast that I have yet to hear anyone pan the show.

Incorrect arguments about the musical merits of this or that, or supposed artistic incompatibilities, are fruitless and tired. The barriers that existed to true musical collaboration between the Union parties were about ego. If ego were set aside, and an attitude of "what could we create, musically, if we agreed to really go for it?" prevailed, we would see something fresh, wildly creative, and aesthetically astounding.

[yessongs72]

Simply putting it....HELL NO Keep this line up!

[RobAdams]

I wish I had seen the UNION tour. I really regret missing that one! Of course I'd like to see YES do something like that again. But for now I'll be very happy if Jon, Chris, Steve, Rick and Alan stick together for a while. Seeing the chemistry between them on this tour was very encouraging. They all looked like they were having the time of their lives. My fingers are crossed for a new studio album from these guys.

If there were to be another UNION tour, it would be great to have Pat Moraz involved, and Peter Banks as well. I'd rather there be no 'solo' pieces. Maybe Trevor Horn could drop by and sing Tempus Fugit.

[ycantibu]

jcostello...both Rabin & Horn have said that Rabin played most of the keyboards on 90125. Unfortunately, neither has really elaborated beyond that, as far as I know.

[Joedude]

I would absolutely love to see a re-Union tour, but in reality it'll never happen, Too many egos, too many lawyers, not enough time on this earth.

Originally from jcostello
I admit that I still haven't bought "Conspiracy," mostly because I can't find someone I trust who's willing to say anything good about it.

I liked the CD, but it could have been better. Very much like Open Your Eyes. And it's refreshing to hear Chris on lead vocals. Now the question is can you trust another slightly anonymous YesFans forum member? ;) ;) ;)

[jcostello]

If he didn't play keyboards (or didn't play much) on "90125," was he simply there to play a bit on the tours, because Trevor couldn't play keyboards and guitar at the same time? If it's true that he didn't play a lot of keyboards on the Yes West albums, then his current lawsuit to try to block the boxset loses some credibility.

I like the current lineup. I also would like to see Moraz and Banks as part of another "Union" tour, but I don't think we'll ever see Banks back with Yes (unless Steve left). What does Patrick Moraz do these days, just solo albums?

Quantum: You referred to "incorrect arguments." What, specifically, are you talking about?

John C.

[Q]

John -

In answer to your question, it is most certainly in-bounds to argue Rabin vs. Howe, Troopers vs YesWest on the basis of preference. That's a matter of opinion, and everyone is entitled.

But to make statements about the relative abilities of the players - which are demonstrable and measurable - and the content of the songs - which can be explicated in detail in a heartbeat by any competent formally-trained musician - is intellectually dishonest, often petty, and frequently ridiculous.

That is, it's fair and honest to say, "I don't like the style the band adopted in the 80s," or to say, "I don't care for Trevor Rabin's writing or playing."

It is not fair and not honest to say (as many fans do), "Trevor Rabin can't write or play well enough to be in Yes."

Trevor Rabin can clearly compose in sonata and concerto form. It isn't open to debate; it is there for all the world to see. Trevor Rabin is clearly as capable an acoustic guitarist as he is an electric guitarist, and his parts and technique may be (and have been) subjected to detailed scrutiny. No capable expert in guitar would class him as less than a virtuoso. The vocal arrangements he created can be written down on staff paper and easily shown to be on a par with any vocal ensemble work done by the band during any Yes period. And the list of innovations (things never done in pop/rock music before) achieved by 80s Yes, whether one likes the style or not, is as long as my arm.

By all means, say, "I don't care for the music Yes created during that period," but don't try to argue, "Trevor Rabin is just a glam rocker."

The reason I find all these arguments extremely tiresome and not worth doing anymore is because the real items of merit - the form and content of the 80s songs, the specifics of Rabin's technical approach to his instrument, the group dynamic on-stage, the actual documented history of the band and the events that forged the 80s output, etc - get shouted down by the gerbil drone of the purists in defiance of the available data, evidence, and historical record. Everyone has the right to enjoy what they enjoy, but brainless arguments and misstatements that are obviously and demonstrably incorrect do nothing to advance our dialog about our favorite band, and in the end only create bad blood - surely not what we are all here for.

Q

One final historical note, for any lurking Rabin Bashers who may be reading this thread: the commercial emphasis of the band in the 80s keeps getting dumped on Rabin's shoulders. Here's another bit of history we haven't noted at YesFans, but one which is documented with ease: Rabin (and Horn) were the executors of the commercial effort, not its originators. The band was facing termination of its contract with Atlantic after Drama. The label president met with Squire and made clear in no uncertain terms that the band needed to chart, and chart high, to survive. Rabin happened to have the skills required to pull this off, and of course he did, with overwhelming success. Punishing him for this is petty.

[Martin Riley]

He's still rubbish though, isn't he?

(Direct from the Monty Python "Is this the right room for an argument" school of thought)

[nightliner]

Well said, Q.

In response to the question as to whether Tony played keys on the "Yeswest" albums, I know that he did very little on Talk, and there was someone beneath the stage playing keys during the 90125 tour. This was not done because he wasn't talented enough to play it, but because at the time he was suffering from carpal tunnel syndrome. At least, that is my understanding of the situation.

[Q]

nightliner raises a good point, and there is an additional historical gem in Talk with regard to Tony Kaye: he did not play keyboards, Rabin did, but Tony played the Hammond B-3 on three of the songs, where he truly shines. In effect, his contribution was to take the instrument on which he excels, and run with it. I particularly love the lead break in "The Calling," I think Tony sounds outstanding on that!

Q

[Martin Riley]

Yeah, but other than that what did Trevor Rabin & Tony Kaye ever do for us?

[Q]

This is why we don't do threads like this anymore.

[Jackaranda]

With this line-up (Tony Kaye I'm told has retired).

Vocals: Jon
Guitarists: Steve, Trevor, Peter, and Billy
Keys: Rick and Patrick
Bass: Chris and Tony Levin (He did play on ABWH and Union, and he's great-he'd augment Chris beautifully)
Drums: Alan and Bill

Span their entire career in a 3 hour show, then call it quits and move onto something new and different...Jack

[Martin Riley]

Originally posted by Quantum
This is why we don't do threads like this anymore.

Why? Because the Monty Python link was carried forward from my previous post?

It's humour,Jim.But not as we know it.

[jcostello]

Quantum: You gave me two specific things that are "incorrect arguments" (to be more accurate, they're incorrect statements -- "Trevor Rabin can't write or play well enough to be in Yes" and "Trevor Rabin is just a glam rocker" -- and no question, I agree that those are incorrect statements.

What I found tiresome earlier this year was whomever made up the rumor that Trevor was going to be rejoining the band for the current tour. It was wishful thinking on someone's part, and it got really silly when some people accepted it as gospel. Granted, Rick and Trevor seemed to get along and play well together on the "Union" tour, and they worked together on "Return to the Center of the Cash," but this tour is "Classic Yes," which is an era that was before Trevor's time in the band. I don't think he would have fit in with the current tour/band/setlist as it exists. If Steve wasn't there, and if Trevor was the guitarist instead, they could of course do a tour, and the song selection would be different, very likely leaning on the '80s material (Rick and Trevor seemed to particularly click together on "Owner," Rick added a cool keyboard part to that), and maybe a song or two from "Union." What the "Magnification" album (and the live versions of the songs on this tour and the last one) would have sounded like with Trevor instead of Steve, we'll never know. Trevor would have probably played some keyboards on the album versions.

One thing about comparing Trevor-era Yes to Classic Yes: Yes, we all have different preferences, but you'll never convince me that anything from the Trevor-era albums is as good as all of the tracks from the best Yes albums of the '70s, or even "Tormato." I liked some of the things that came out of the '80s, some of the "Union" album (unlike Rick Wakeman, I've never chucked a copy out of an automobile), and parts of "Talk." It's a subjective viewpoint, but for me, the end result of what Yes produces when Steve Howe is around is better than what they produced with Trevor. I'm not saying that Trevor can't write or play well enough, or that he is an inferior guitarist.

And as for the commercial turn in the bands sound, yes, from what I've read, it was the corporate suits/weasels idea, so Jon Anderson shouldn't get the blame he gets, either. He tried to repent with ABWH, so give the guy a break.

As for Tony Kaye, I wish he could have contributed more of that Hammond B-3 organ playing to all of '80s albums, "Union" and "Talk." If he played as little as it appears that he did during his reunion with the band, then he was underused. If he had carpal tunnel and couldn't play, he should have stepped aside sooner than he did.

Peace and Love,

John C.

[jcostello]

Originally posted by jack gowen
With this line-up (Tony Kaye I'm told has retired).

Vocals: Jon
Guitarists: Steve, Trevor, Peter, and Billy
Keys: Rick and Patrick
Bass: Chris and Tony Levin (He did play on ABWH and Union, and he's great-he'd augment Chris beautifully)
Drums: Alan and Bill

Span their entire career in a 3 hour show, then call it quits and move onto something new and different...Jack

I like the idea, but three things: 1) I don't think that you could convince Steve to go for it. 2) I don't think that you could convince everyone to go for it, including Bill Bruford, who took his paychecks from the "Union" tour, but has dissed it in interviews, and 3) You'd need a big stage to fit all of them and their gear, but that part of it is probably somehow possible once you overcome hurdles 1 and 2.

Peace, Love, and Watching That Giant Stage Rotate With All of Those People and Their Equipment on It Would Be Fun,

John C..

[SEYYES]

J...just in case I was a bit unclear in an earlier post...I was trying to indicate that Rabin bashers seldom turn their wrath towards Squire for Rabin's joining/recreating Yes ...kind of a sacred cow thing....Seems like Chris may have had a bit to do with it,given the Cinema experiment....

[Q]

Re the point about Tony Kaye stepping aside sooner than he did: he quit at least twice before the 9012Live tour began, at least once during the recording of BG, and at least once during the recording of Talk.

Why he kept coming back is not clearly documented. Why Eddie Jobson did not work out after his week in Yes is also not clearly documented.

The idea of Tony playing more Hammond on 80s Yes is an interesting one. Author Bill Martin, who wrote excellent notes for the new IN A WORD: YES box set, once said that it would have been fascinating if Talk had contained no keyboard work at all other than piano and organ, and Tony had played all the organ parts. I agree that this would have produced an interesting album.

In any case, the chances of Tony ever appearing again seem to be nil.

And Squire had considerably more than a bit to do with the direction of 80s Yes.

[SEYYES]

Good thoughts,Genevive!!!....You will love Wakeman!......

[gunsfornuns]

Originally posted by Genevive
Yes has become what it is today because of all of the changes the band has gone through. I for one, am happy for these changes. I have a wide variety of music to listen to from my favorite band. Sure, some "eras" of Yes I listen to more than others, but they all have some merit! They are all unique in their own way. Yes, even during their commercial years, still managed to sound like no one else out there!

i agree. i think we should thank our lucky stars that YES even survived the crap that was so prominent in the 80's and 90's. for many years, i hadn't bought any new music because it was so lacking for me. ABWH excepted, of course.

anyway, give steve some lean, rare, red meat. he'll liven up! we didn't scratch and claw our way to the top of the food chain for nothing, right?

[jcostello]

From the show I saw in Kansas, Steve has livened up just fine without the meat. But if he wants to do a cover of Zappa's "Uncle Meat," I would be cool with that.

Peace, Love, and Give That Man a Carrot,

John C.

[rhammill]

I voted doesn't matter.

If it would bring more people to see the band, and produce some new music (with a possible new direction), sure.

If it is a publicity stunt to try to get more people to the shows, but doesn't provide new music - probably not.

Who participates isn't that important. There are 3 people currently not participating from the previous Union. I love Bill's playing, and having seen him in a couple of two-drummer environments I think it could be interesting again - but not as interesting as what he can do on his own. In Crimson, it worked, in Yes - I'm not sure they door is as open for such experimantalism.

Does Tony need to come back? Not really.

Does Trevor need to come back? If Steve and Trevor can work out some method of working together musically, maybe. But again - each of them is able to provide more than enough on their own.

Peter Banks? He would certainly mesh with Steve a little better. Actually, he could probably mesh with Trever better than Steve can mesh with Trevor as well.

As for the rest of the guys? I think the same think applies, with Rick in the band, why do you need a second?

I guess I should have voted No...

But I would go for a Yes if it brought more fans back and was part of a project to create new music. If they worked as smaller units in addition to the large group, there are certainly some other combinations I would like to see...

Randy

[yessongs72]

My answer again......NO,NO,NO!

[Q]

Fair enough!

It must be said that the team in the field at this moment, sans extra members, puts on a show that is nothing less than outstanding. When I saw them in Chicago 2 weeks ago, I was left breathless ...

[Rabin105]

I'm going to say two things before i begin my argument

1. For anyone who is wondering what sis tony kaye do for us well with out him the would be no yes album no starship trooper and absolutly no all good people
2. as far as pop yes and pop genesis is considered you people blame trevor rabin and phil collins. you blame the wrong person on both accounst first It is Trevor horn not rabin that put the horns on owner and it was chris who wanted most of the song on generator to be what htey are (trevor rabin kept telling chris it isn't classic yes and chris said so i don't care) and as for genesis it is Tony baks who wanted things do be pop



Now that that is said I want to say all of your choice for 2nd keyboardest don't work because of EGO"S Tony kaye and tom brislin are the only two people to be able to play as 2nd keyboardest in yes. I have to go and play a concert now but i will be back to argue some more oh and watch the 9012 live version of starship Trooper before you ask what did trevor or tony do for yes as much as steve and rick .


as rick wakeman said there has never been a bad musician in yes that inclueds mr trevor rabin and Tony Kaye!

[Q]

rabin105, you speak with conviction and sound logic. i can't imagine anything duller than a Yes history that didn't include 80s Yes --- in fact, without 80s Yes, the band wouldn't have grown dull, it would have been dead ...

[Fortress1]

I could not say it any better!!!
I now want to go watch my 17yr old now (out of print) 9012live concert video- a very important part of Yes' history.

[jcostello]

... there also wouldn't currently be a lawsuit trying to get the box set pulled from record stores. Let's not forget that, too. Why wouldn't he just sue to get more money from the release of it, rather than trying to stop it? If there's no box set, nobody makes any money off of it, including Tony Kaye.

Although Trevor Horn, Chris Squire, Trevor Rabin and the other members of Yes all played in a part in the poppy side of '80s Yes, the corporate suits should get the primary blame/credit. If they didn't think it had commercial potential, they wouldn't have released it, and there would have been no album, no No. 1 single, no comeback, no Yes.

As for the two keyboardists, we can only speculate as to who can play together and who can't, aside from the fact that Rick and Tony did on one tour, and the fact that Rick and Adam Wakeman have toured together, so they probably could.

Peace, Love, and Other Than That, Your Guess Is as Good/Bad as Anyone's,

John C.

[groovecake]

Originally posted by ycantibu
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say Rabin was a Yes fan per se before joining the band. I seem to recall an interview sometime [if anyone else recalls it, let me know what it is from] where he said he had Fragile and a couple wakeman solo LP's before joining the band.



Don't you mean...before the band joined HIM?

[yessongs72]

Rabin, I disagree with Kaye as the 2nd keyboard man. BUT,IMO I will go with Igor as #2 behind Rick. I do agree that he was good on the first thee albums,but THE MASTER(RICK) listen what he did to improve, AGP, YIND,SST,TAAW,PC....do I say more? A Union tour, folks you are seeing it now!

[therifferoo]

Hey, man, if we're gonna talk Union, here, I WANT IT ALL!!!! LOL!!

Chris
Jon and Trevor H.
Bill and Alan
Rick, Pat, Tony, Geoff, Igor, Tom (imagine the wall of sound!)
Steve, Trevor, Peter, Billy
Trevor H.

Now, THAT would be a Union tour!!!!!! :D

[YESYOUANDI]

No thanx.
The last one was a enough for me.
Cheers.

[jcostello]

Originally posted by therifferoo
Hey, man, if we're gonna talk Union, here, I WANT IT ALL!!!! LOL!!

Chris
Jon and Trevor H.
Bill and Alan
Rick, Pat, Tony, Geoff, Igor, Tom (imagine the wall of sound!)
Steve, Trevor, Peter, Billy
Trevor H.

Now, THAT would be a Union tour!!!!!! :D

The only stages you're likely to see Trevor H. (by the way, why do you have him listed twice? You must really want him in that re-Union lineup bad!) are for a Grammy Award (if he wins one as a producer), or maybe for a trade show for soundboard equipment. Steve can't even seem to stand having one other guitarist on stage with him, so no way would he put up with three. And where would you find a stage big enough to hold that many guitars and keyboards, as well as all the sound equipment?

Peace, Love, and Also, There Wouldn't Be Enough Room for Jon's Olias Symbol, So He Wouldn't Be a Happy Camper, Either,

John C.

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by yessongs72
Rabin, I disagree with Kaye as the 2nd keyboard man. BUT,IMO I will go with Igor as #2 behind Rick. I do agree that he was good on the first thee albums,but THE MASTER(RICK) listen what he did to improve, AGP, YIND,SST,TAAW,PC....do I say more? A Union tour, folks you are seeing it now!

Igor is a drunk russain you really need to hear the horrible job he did on the Oye tour. Oh the horrible keyboard job. I'll take horn screaming out parallels over Igor's polka version of rythem of love (even though it is a rabin tune it still desvers the same treatment as Yours is no disgrace) I also have to say that igor had to beg Adam wakeman for the parts his dad played. So there is 2 reasons why he should never and I repeat never rejoin yes.


As far as Kaye is concerned he is a great keyboardest lets look at the classics Wakeman hasn't touched for example A Venture The most classic thing about it is the piano solo at the end It is spectacular it goes right up there with rick's organ solo on roundabout. why they didn't play this on the 9012-live tour is beyond me. Wakeman played All good people and YIND, PC exactly the same he didn't improve at all and as for St well i feel kaye plays it better that is just what i feel (though he is the only one to play it with out the analog sound)

and this is five mebers union is 8 members or hopfully all members

[mrgone3]

That was a great tour! It will last in my memory. The rotating stage.AWAKEN! Done to a tee! Two great drummers!Great vocals!Rick said that was a great moment for him. But it can't happen again.not with this lawsuit. Trevor is busy in Hollywood. Bill is always up to something. Tony has a lawyer! We had a great summer with the five guys playing for us! how can we complain?>JOE

[jcostello]

... a re-Union with Banks, Downes or Moraz, because I've never seen any of them live.

Peace, Love, and I Don't Think It Will Ever Happen, But I'd Like to See It,

John C.

[relayer_1]

Have you all ever heard the saying "once in a lifetime" or "never say never"? My vote: NO

I also hate to be on the negative side on this thread but, another UNION? the chances of that ever happening again are one in a million! THAT TOUR WAS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME EVENT.

For those of us who where there, we will always cherish those true golden moments when eight Yesmen took the rotating stage and performed flawlessly. But it was extremely difficult to do with so many managements and schedule conflicts involved, even in today's internet age it would logistically IMPOSSIBLE to gather that same line-up for a world tour. The economics are not the same as they were 11 years ago and besides, like another fan said, Yes has always been best in a five-yesman setting. A reunion concert like the one Genesis did a couple of years ago would be nice, savor the moment and afterwards everybody goes home happy to continue their lives as individuals...why spoil the greatest tour memory in Yes history? Just ask Rick Wakeman...

Some fans enjoy to go to several Yes concerts on the same tour ( I don't) because they say that each concert experience is special by itself. Well, the same goes for a tour event like Union was, that circumstance is special by itself - no matter how much Yes fans hope, speculate and pray it won't get a sequel. Peace and Love.

relayer 1

[Gustavo]

With all the Rabin bashing that goes on at this site I never thought people would want him back. I am surprised that the votes for Union II have more than doubled the no-Union tour.

Why?

I understand that people talk about the boots from this tour as being amazing. I have yet to hear one. I saw the tour at Great Woods in MA and personally thought it sounded really muddy when all of them were playing at once. Perhaps I was biased by thinking the tour was a desperate attempt at regaining fans. To me it seemed like the start of nostalgia. Perhaps I was really disappointed with the album. So many talented musicians that they had to bring in hired help? As someone pointed out in the Union thread, the best song on Union is really a Conspiracy tune: TMWLLG.

They may have produced a few questionable albums up to that moment, but at least they did so with some artistic integrity. 90125 may have been commercially viable, but it had artistic merit. Union, to me, was their first sell-out. To be honest, I don’t consider Union an “album”. It is a compilation.

It has taken them years to regain their momentum, and it seems like finally they are on an upswing. Why would we want to de-rail them? I have no interest in Union-II.

What I would be interested in hearing is a different line-up under a different name. From where are they now: “Billy Sherwood, Chris Squire and Alan White have all discussed the potential for work with Rabin, possibly in Conspiracy, while Rabin describes dining with Squire and White during the making of Magnification in a recent interview”. Throw Rick in there, and now we are talking.

[bataisflow]

I voted no. I saw that tour 3 or 4 times. It was a great tour but not as good as Symphonic, Masterworks and 2002. The grass is always greener. It did sound muddy, it was a very thick sound, not light like Yes can be (musicians you know what I am talking) + anything to me with Rabin would be a LARGE step backwards in artistic integrity and Yesness!

[Rabin105]

I still feel that union 2 weuold be great. as far as the album well that isn't yes's fault that is reall y just dumb people making dumb decisions like Jon ellias the producer of the album

[jcostello]

Originally posted by Gustavo
With all the Rabin bashing that goes on at this site I never thought people would want him back. I am surprised that the votes for Union II have more than doubled the no-Union tour.



A vote for another "Union"-type tour is not necessarily a vote for Trevor. You could do one with Banks, Sherwood or somebody else as the second guitarist with Steve.

Gustavo, if you haven't read it yet, read the Wakeman interview on "Notes from the Edge," paying particular attention to how much he enjoyed the "Union" tour. It WAS a great tour.

As far as it being highly unlikely, well, as I've said before, it probably is, but I never thought that Rick would come back, and was happily proven wrong. I like the current lineup, too, but if another "Union" tour was properly planned and not thrown together in the haphazard fashion that the '91-'92 tour was, it could be really cool.

Peace, Love, and You're Not Going to Rain on My Re-Union Parade of Possibility,

John C.

[1yesfan]

80's Yes and Genesis was good, just right for the time. If they had put out anything like prev stuff from the groups it would have not went well and the groups could have folded up long ago.
I think a Rabin today would be a calmer, less ROCKING Rabin then we all remember. I would be for a UNION tour.

[1yesfan]

Also, it was mentioned here that Igor was lousy, specially on the OYE tour. I would say that he was not great on OYE but I think the Masterworks tour he did a damn good job, I thought his work was some of the best I have heard form a Yes Keys player.

[yes_angel]

I always thought that there was going to be a RE Union tour,I sure would not mind that at all.I was at the Union tour and have the video of YesYears Retrospective that I often watch.Ahhh can it be for sure that this band will go along and put this to the test?

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by 1yesfan
Also, it was mentioned here that Igor was lousy, specially on the OYE tour. I would say that he was not great on OYE but I think the Masterworks tour he did a damn good job, I thought his work was some of the best I have heard form a Yes Keys player.

Yes masterworks was good but my boot from oye has the worst versions of Wonderuos stories and rythem of love

[Sonoacustico]

I had the pleasure to see Yes for the OYE tour and Igor did an EXCELLENT job on keys, the version of Wonderous stories was absolutely great, and well, I only missed Trevor on Rhythm of Love... Billy tried to do a good Job, but his sound was too thin to fill Trevor's space.

greetings!

Claudio

[yessongs72]

NO, we don't need another union,trama,90125,oye tours.We have what we need right now and that's Steve,Jon,Chris,Rick& Alan!So,any doubt

[Rabin105]

Yes I want a union tour (maybe have trevor horn guest a couple of night se we could ge ssome drama material) and Frankly i think that yes need some fresh ideas (wether you like them or not Rabin and Sherwood were both trying new ideas in there production/guitar/keyboard work frankly even the classic sounded better on those tours than on the San Lupis shows(altough I hear that wakeman stopped using the chessy synth sound that he used to use but I still hear them)frankly for the new album (so it would be interesting) they should have one of the following either produce or coproduce the next album Trevor Rabin, Trevor Horn, or Billy Sherwood. Why well they would give classic yes a new sound which I think it needs but hey maybe i'm wrong

[yessongs72]

Originally posted by 1yesfan
Finally, someone that see's that Howe is BORING on stage, outside his playing, I can't tell he is there at times.

Boring,haha...Tim,you hit the nail on the head.It's all about the" MUSIC" so,Steve doesn't have to jump up and down,just let him keep playing his guitar with his "Magical Fingers"!

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by yessongs72
Boring,haha...Tim,you hit the nail on the head.It's all about the" MUSIC" so,Steve doesn't have to jump up and down,just let him keep playing his guitar with his "Magical Fingers"!
well it's getting to the point that squire white and anderson are the only one with a stage presence

[yessongs72]

Originally posted by 1yesfan
Finally, someone that see's that Howe is BORING on stage, outside his playing, I can't tell he is there at times.

Yeah, I'm watching Symphonic. Just saw CTTE and now Lonf Distance Runaround starting,yep all Steve needs to do is just stand there,heck grab a rocking chair as long as his magical fingers keep playing the steel,acoustic,mandolin,baby mandolin, and electric guitars( and anyothers that I may have left out)!Hammer on STEVE!!!!

[Rabin105]

I want to se a union tour

[Earl Grey]

I would love it... After hearing the classic line-up again next tour or two (Still thinking about the Dead/YES possibilities, as well as another full show by classic YES alone).

I would love to see a ReUnion as well.

And then a day-long festival where each seperate line-up plays a set of distinction. With Roger Dean stage sets. And a laser light show. And a funny brownie in each of my hands...

I don't ask for much!

:ele:

[Q]

Consider that the next album has riding upon it a level of expectation far exceeding any impending Yes album in memory, given the current line-up.

If it disappoints --- and it almost surely will not achieve the level of perfection unfairly demanded of it --- then Yes will be left in a position on the opposite extreme of its current one: the band will need to do something new and different to capture the imagination.

A ReUnion would be the perfect thing.

I have always believed, and still do, that a Yes Union is the perfect event to capture what the spirit of Yes purports to be. However, as we all know, the original Union was disingenuous, motivated by less-than-musical/spiritual factors.

a new Union would give Yes the opportunity to truly harness and project the spirit and attitude that the music has always implied.

Q

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by Q
Consider that the next album has riding upon it a level of expectation far exceeding any impending Yes album in memory, given the current line-up.

If it disappoints --- and it almost surely will not achieve the level of perfection unfairly demanded of it --- then Yes will be left in a position on the opposite extreme of its current one: the band will need to do something new and different to capture the imagination.

A ReUnion would be the perfect thing.

I have always believed, and still do, that a Yes Union is the perfect event to capture what the spirit of Yes purports to be. However, as we all know, the original Union was disingenuous, motivated by less-than-musical/spiritual factors.

a new Union would give Yes the opportunity to truly harness and project the spirit and attitude that the music has always implied.

Q
i would like to see a union of the origanl 8 with eddie offord or billy sherwood producing

[YESYOUANDI]

God no!!
Look what a muddy over indulgent mess the last one was.
Keep it REAL and Rabin free like it is now.
Cheers fans.

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by YESYOUANDI
God no!!
Look what a muddy over indulgent mess the last one was.
Keep it REAL and Rabin free like it is now.
Cheers fans.
I don't want to get into another Rabin argument nor do I want say how much I love Steve Howe because numerous people think I'm a Howe basher. But I do want to point out that I have not heard a Rabin tune live since 1999. and I want to see a Rabin tune live. I don't want things Rabin free (funny how you didn't say "I want to keep things Bruford free" or "i want to keep things Kaye free" etc.) I love the current lineup (now i see why all the troopers love this line up they are almost guaranteed a non Rabin setlist) I'd love to see them tackle owner or it can happen or city of love (with wakeman on keytar facing off with Chris Squire) or I am waiting how about Hold on or big generator. there are albums before magnification and after Tormato (temup fugit anyone) and there are albums before the yes album (survival, the prophet, sweet dreams, Then, Time and a word) i would like to see a 35th anniversary setlist that shows a song from all time periods of yes not just the 70's oh yeah and if they do play Rabin tunes don't get up and leave or boo them that is inconsiderate just let us Rabin fans enjoy the Rabin tunes and us banks fans to enjoy Steve adding Howeisms to the earlier works.

[BlueEagle]

And while we're at it, might as well have Peter Banks, Pat Moraz,
Billy,Igor, Tom Brislin, Geoff and Trevor Horn, all the session hacks from the Union album and ABWH albums, Vangelis, Tony Levin, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and the London Symphony with John Williams.:rolleyes:

[Jackaranda]

I want Rabin back in the band, working TOGETHER with Steve and Rick, and with Jon and the greatest rhythyn section on earth chipping in, they could do something REALLY great. If they'd only do it.

LISTEN GUYS!!!

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by jack gowen
I want Rabin back in the band, working TOGETHER with Steve and Rick, and with Jon and the greatest rhythyn section on earth chipping in, they could do something REALLY great. If they'd only do it.

LISTEN GUYS!!!
I agree though i would love to add Bill bruford (on electric drums) and tony kaye (on organ and piano) I think the 8 of them could do something very unique and very good

[the'YES'kid]

I'd love to see all of them in one stage since I've never seen Yes live at all. I'd also love to see Trevor w/ Yes again. I prefer Steve Howe, but every day I like Trevor's music more and more.

It'd be great if they played "I would have waited..."

:confused:

but just don't see it happening

[YESYOUANDI]

What a waste of time the last one was.
You could have had steves guitar-tech---the sound guy--and uncle Tom Cobbley, all up there as well, no body would have noticed!
Come on --Keep it REAL.
Cheers fans.

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by YESYOUANDI
What a waste of time the last one was.
You could have had steves guitar-tech---the sound guy--and uncle Tom Cobbley, all up there as well, no body would have noticed!
Come on --Keep it REAL.
Cheers fans.
the 8 members we're all noticable and the 8 of them prefome masterfully (wonder what a union lineup preformance of south side of the sky would sound like that maybe with rick and tony trading piano riffs :keyboard: :keyboard:) and who knows "It Can Happen"

[yessongs72]

For the 101ST time.......NO,NO,NO!

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by Rabin105
I don't want to get into another Rabin argument nor do I want say how much I love Steve Howe because numerous people think I'm a Howe basher. But I do want to point out that I have not heard a Rabin tune live since 1999. and I want to see a Rabin tune live. I don't want things Rabin free (funny how you didn't say "I want to keep things Bruford free" or "i want to keep things Kaye free" etc.) I love the current lineup (now i see why all the troopers love this line up they are almost guaranteed a non Rabin setlist) I'd love to see them tackle owner or it can happen or city of love (with wakeman on keytar facing off with Chris Squire) or I am waiting how about Hold on or big generator. there are albums before magnification and after Tormato (temup fugit anyone) and there are albums before the yes album (survival, the prophet, sweet dreams, Then, Time and a word) i would like to see a 35th anniversary setlist that shows a song from all time periods of yes not just the 70's oh yeah and if they do play Rabin tunes don't get up and leave or boo them that is inconsiderate just let us Rabin fans enjoy the Rabin tunes and us banks fans to enjoy Steve adding Howeisms to the earlier works.
Second verse same as the first ;)

[BlueEagle]

UHHHHHH OK

[SallyKhatru]

This discussion is very exhausting to follow for me, so I´ll give my opinion, not depending what all of you think about it.

First to Steve Howe. You said he´s boring on stage, well you´re rigth, maybe, but for me it´s always exciting to watch the other members trying to make him smile. I have a lot of fun seeing him on stage, I bet with my dad whether he´ll smile or not.:-)
After the show this year he´s been different. he´d been I have to say really funny.

Well and back to the question.
i like the idea of Anderson to get them all together for a concert or a tour. All who had ever been a band member. They don´t have to remain, just for 1 concert or tour. That would be nice to see.
My biggest wish is that Rick will stay with the band.

And to tanbar, hey that´s cute - I mean the kiss Billy gave to you.
I´ve been 10 or 11 when I was on that tour and he waved at me. I was so happy:-)
But meanwhile I´m more intereted in older guys. 40 and above:-)
I´m really crazy:-)

[Rabin105]

Your right it is exausting, this forum is my bed time story :lol:
Seriously though a tour with all the past and present members would be cool (though Star ship trooper would be so long with everyone soloing)

[TrevorHowe]

yes that would be my dream, i never got to see rabin play so iw ould really like that oh and bruford he awesome too

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by TrevorHowe
yes that would be my dream, i never got to see rabin play so iw ould really like that oh and bruford he awesome too
never got see either of them too

[TrevorHowe]

Originally posted by Rabin105
never got see either of them too

see man we got screwed, if there was one last yesshow to see live ever, i would want to see the big generator tour just how awesome that would be i cant even explain.

[yarstruly]

I was there! Being an OLD FART ;) does have it's benefits.

[Rabin105]

Originally posted by yarstruly
I was there! Being an OLD FART ;) does have it's benefits.
You have a point. I would love to see Tony kaye back with the band. That guy is amazing on organ. :keyboard:

[jcostello]

Originally posted by TrevorHowe
see man we got screwed, if there was one last yesshow to see live ever, i would want to see the big generator tour just how awesome that would be i cant even explain.

I didn't get to see/hear any shows on the ABWH tour, and regret it to this day. It's great that they did a pay-per-view, but it still isn't the same.

Peace, Love, and If I Could Go Back in Time ...

John C.

[Rabin105]

I think each of us missed out on a particular concert or tour and feel sad because of it

[JudysTrevor]

I voted Yes!! Best of both worlds!! I love my Union shows and would love to see it live for myself.

Judy
:guitar:

[Stever]

All members who have ever been in Yes are alive. That's remarkable. Seems like a natural to me that they should try to put together one huge event at madison square garden or some damn place. One live show which could be simulcast to theaters perhaps, pay per view, and of course DVD with every official member of the band. They would come on and off the stage during songs in which they were a part of the original studio recording. You do stuff from every line up. The opening and the finale: "Machine Messiah" and "Heart of the Sunrise" respectively would have all the members on stage at once with everyone taking a solo at some point.

[jcostello]

All members who have ever been in Yes are alive. That's remarkable. Seems like a natural to me that they should try to put together one huge event at madison square garden or some damn place. One live show which could be simulcast to theaters perhaps, pay per view, and of course DVD with every official member of the band. They would come on and off the stage during songs in which they were a part of the original studio recording. You do stuff from every line up. The opening and the finale: "Machine Messiah" and "Heart of the Sunrise" respectively would have all the members on stage at once with everyone taking a solo at some point.

I've said this before, but when the band decides to retire, I think that would be a great idea for a last-ever concert ... except that I would prefer the show be in Minneapolis rather than MSG, so I don't have to fly to New York to see it.

John Crazed Yesfan

[swib]

Yyyyyyyeeeeeeeessssssssssssssss

[the'YES'kid]

Only if they we're willing to play "I would have waited forever".

I read a rumor on "Forgotten Yesterdays" (my fav Yes site) that they were gonna play that song but Chris didn't wanted to learn the bass line.

It's a shame! I mean after that awesome Squire-style bass line Tony Levin did for the song!

One of the biggest Yesfantasies I have is to hear that song live , and off course, me in front row!!!

Other cool thing for a Union 2 would be if they had Trevor Horn & Geoff as special guests playing "Into the Lens" or "Machine Messiah".

[Rabin105]

you would have 4 guitarests 2 vocalists 2 drummers 6 keyboardest and 1 bassist sound like we would be able to get a little of everything and Chris would have a lot of trouble on his hands

[sfpapillon]

It would be cool, even great. My desire as always is NO RABIN nor RABIN tunes EVER by YES !!!!! such a bleak period of time be forgotten.

[YEShead42]

Not with Rabin. How about Downes and Sherwood? Then we could hear some Drama or Ladder tunes.

[TNyesfan]

I'd be interested in seeing another Union tour if, and only if, those participating in it really wanted to from an artistic stance. Of course, who among us die-hard fans WOULDN'T want to see all our guys on stage together? But I'd want it to be Yes's idea, members past and present, and not some manager's.
I'm sorry I missed the first (and only,so far) Union tour. God only knows WHAT I was thinking.
I have heard some Yesfans, whose opinions I respect and admire, say that the Union Tour gigs they saw were fantastic, and in one case, one of the best concerts he ever saw!

[george bertha]

Funny that you'd ask, I was thinking today at work that wouldn't it be cool if for the band's 40th anniversary every member that has ever played in Yes could tour and make a "Union" style recording. What would that be, 12 or 13 members now?

[Rabin105]

It would be cool, even great. My desire as always is NO RABIN nor RABIN tunes EVER by YES !!!!! such a bleak period of time be forgotten.
Bleak BLEAK it was great time period and a great 4 albums. I hope that they play more of it and please don't get up durring those songs it is rude to the fans around you as well as to the band. Bleak Ha that has to be the biggest bash to Rabin yes and 80's yes ever. have a ggod day but seriously bleak no rabin basher has ever gone that far . Bleak Ha that is like somone saying Tales was just a realy boring album .(which it was not). Yes to Rabin and Yes to rabin songs it is a part of yes history the will be revisted time and time again so get used to it.

<ac

[BlueEagle]

Be that as it may, it's a big leap from appreciating the Rabin era music to expecting another "Onion" tour. I seriously doubt that ANY of the members would be up for it (Mr. Rabin included).

[Full Tilt Boogie]

I voted Yes, but only if I couldn't get the current line-up, and if they restricted themselves to minimal 'YesWest' numbers - say maybe two for the whole show. Which ones is up to them. Oh, and Rabin would have to not ruin Howe numbers by breaking and doing impromptu and inappropriate guitar solos.

[jcostello]

you would have 4 guitarests 2 vocalists 2 drummers 6 keyboardest and 1 bassist sound like we would be able to get a little of everything and Chris would have a lot of trouble on his hands

Trevor Horn and Billy Sherwood can also play bass, which would help in case Chris needs a breather at some point.

John Crazed Yesfan

[MrCalling1]

A another Union tour would probably not be a favorite idea for the band (I would think) because if you watch the Symphonic DVD Steve talks about how he really enjoys being the primary guitarist (right now) maybe a few years down the road they might do that. The thing about Rabin is he doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything with Yes anymore, he is busy doing movie soundtracks, and would prefer to stay doing that for a while (so I've read) but how can anyone judge that when Yes had their most successfull album to date with (90125) that it wasn't something credible to the band or not having one the most polished and progressive approach to what they wanted to do (for the most part) is less than that!

[Rabin105]

A another Union tour would probably not be a favorite idea for the band (I would think) because if you watch the Symphonic DVD Steve talks about how he really enjoys being the primary guitarist (right now) maybe a few years down the road they might do that. The thing about Rabin is he doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything with Yes anymore, he is busy doing movie soundtracks, and would prefer to stay doing that for a while (so I've read) but how can anyone judge that when Yes had their most successfull album to date with (90125) that it wasn't something credible to the band or not having one the most polished and progressive approach to what they wanted to do (for the most part) is less than that!
I agree they all wanted to do 90125 exactly as it is, except for Tony kaye who nearly got outed because of Trevor Horn.
and I would love a union tour.

[BlueEagle]

If you listen to YESSPEAK, you'll see this will probably NEVER happen.

[jcostello]

If you listen to YESSPEAK, you'll see this will probably NEVER happen.

I saw YesSpeak, and NEVER say NEVER (or, if you're a GTR fan, "Never Say No"). Steve Howe might be OK with another Union tour if the other guitarist was Steve Morse.

John Super Mega Uber Crazed Yesfan

[Rabin105]

We all know how steve feel but who knows he might get forced into having another guitarest. orhe might not be apart of it it colud be Peter banks and Trevor rabin or Billy sherwood and Peter banks who knows.

[BlankReg]

If you listen to YESSPEAK, you'll see this will probably NEVER happen.

How many times did Rick say he would never rejoin Yes?? In the world of Yes, anything can happen - regardless of what even the band members say.

That said, I am not sure if I would want to see another Union tour. I saw three Union shows and they were amazing. But the current lineup is playing so well together, I don't see the need to change anything. Maybe as a one-off, special event show. But Yes ain't broken now (as they were in 1989-1991), so I don't think another Union would be in the best interests of the band.

The band today adds up to so much more than the sum of its parts. There is just something magical about these five particular guys. And as wonderful as the Union shows were, the November, 2002, show I saw was by far the absolute best Yes concert I have ever seen (saw them every tour since 90125, save ABWH).

[BlueEagle]

Right, Reg. Technicly, ANYTHING is possible. That's why I said "probably". The tone I got from the comments in YESSPEAK was Well this is it folks. If Rick does leave, they may replace him with Tom Brislin or another keyboard player but I dont think you'll see a migration of past members back to the fold, 35th Anniv notwithstanding (especially Rabin and Kaye).

[umgekehrt]

Not without Peter Banks

[BlueEagle]

After the first Union fiasco, I doubt you'd ever get Peter on stage with Yes.

[jimmygtr]

... The quality of music put out by YES, during Trevor's stint in the band, dropped significantly... nearly to the point of being rubbish. .

Yikes! That's really harsh.

...That is what Trevor represents, to me, the commercialization of YES.

Like or dislike Trevor's music or style, I don't think he ever intentionally tried to make his music commercial.

... I'm sure he'll continue to do what he's doing now anyway... he makes much more money, which is what he cares about.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion???

[Gabriel]

I would definatly love to see another Union tour. That way I would get to experience more Rabin era material as well as the classic line up stuff! Once again, i'm a new fan so anything like this would be a huge must have for me!

[cjreyes]

Sure, that would be fine. Throw in some Moraz, Downes and/or Igor, as well. Banks?

:keyboard: :leftG: :rightG: :theband: :harp: :band: :drummer: :keyboard: :keyboard:

[True Believer]

Why not?

BTW, Chris, where you digging up all these old polls?? ;)

[cjreyes]

Why not?

BTW, Chris, where you digging up all these old polls?? ;)

Does it bother you, Annisima? :winknudge

[Rabin105]

most of which I came up with It's like my best polls live on :) i feel elated

[True Believer]

Does it bother you, Annisima? :winknudge
Not at all, it's fun! I haven't voted in most of them (before my time on Yesfans!).

[Rabin105]

Not at all, it's fun! I haven't voted in most of them (before my time on Yesfans!).
man i hope Cj find all of my old ones and subversly i hope you true enjoy them

[MrZuLu]

I'll tell you what...

if that is what it takes to get YES on tour

then you are GAWD DAM FREEKING RIGHT!


all of them!

Bill Bruford, Tony Kaye, Billy Sherwood, Tom Brisilin, Patrick Moraz

AND TREVOR RABIN



ok I said it!

[Rabin105]

I'll tell you what...

if that is what it takes to get YES on tour

then you are GAWD DAM FREEKING RIGHT!


all of them!

Bill Bruford, Tony Kaye, Billy Sherwood, Tom Brisilin, Patrick Moraz

AND TREVOR RABIN



ok I said it!
actualy with Anderson's Numerous Side projects One with Wakeman one With Rabin (I believe wakeman is also working with Howe) it would be intersting If Jon creates union 2 (though i;'ve Heard Tony Kaye and Chris Squire do not get along but maybe Geoff Downes will come in instead and hopefully conspiracy will tour so i can finnayl see Tony Kaye Live)

[DJSalt]

You wanna see Tony Kaye live?

Just bring a cat over to my house and we'll have hime wander aimlessly along the keys... that's about right.

[Rabin105]

You wanna see Tony Kaye live?

Just bring a cat over to my house and we'll have hime wander aimlessly along the keys... that's about right.
yesbabe if u could give more details about ur deleted post i'd be very interestied.


as for DSjh Salt interesting especially when you look and Yes, Time and a Word, and The Yes album listen to a Venture again The piano solo on that wow. Plus I liked how he did an Organ solo on Starship Trooper I'm sure i'm in the minority but I dislike nearly every keyboardist folowing Wakeman's Melletron path on Starship Trooper I preffer a rocking organ solo on that track.


listen to the 3 albums again Tony is far from a Slacker in the keyboards Department plus he didn't folloow "wakeman's mold" when he came back I'm glad he didn't

[DJSalt]

Well, Ok, if we're going to be serious for a moment (I was joking a bit).

I very much appreciate Tony's work on the YES albums, I think his Hammond work is his best. I have stated on various threads here that when I first saw Tony live, it was the 90125 tour. Having become a YES fan starting with GFTO, then moving about to the rest, I quickly became a Wakeman fan. So, to go from YESSONGS keybaord solos to Tony's was a bit of a let-down for me personally. That aside, I have a bigger problem with Tony's live performances.

I saw the 90125 Tour 4 times. Philly was first. He was hitting so many clinker notes during my favorites songs it was driving me crazy but I wrote it off as Tony just having an off night. But then the next night, also in Philly, He was just as bad at hinting clinkers.

Then I saw them in Hershey Arena a few weeks or so later.. same thing.

Then they returned to Philly for another night at the Spectrum.... same thing. By this time I bagan to loathe Tonay Kaye. I didn't understand how Chris and Jon and ALan and Trevor could be so tight and Tony could be so loose.

The problem followed when I saw the BG tour. It was so bad that I decided not to see YES again until they had Geoff Downs or Wakeman back. Then I saw ABWH and was re-invigorated to see YES live!

My problem with Tony is simply his penchant for clinkers when he plays live. I will forever thank him for writing the chord progression which became Starship Trooper.

[Rabin105]

Well, Ok, if we're going to be serious for a moment (I was joking a bit).

I very much appreciate Tony's work on the YES albums, I think his Hammond work is his best. I have stated on various threads here that when I first saw Tony live, it was the 90125 tour. Having become a YES fan starting with GFTO, then moving about to the rest, I quickly became a Wakeman fan. So, to go from YESSONGS keybaord solos to Tony's was a bit of a let-down for me personally. That aside, I have a bigger problem with Tony's live performances.

I saw the 90125 Tour 4 times. Philly was first. He was hitting so many clinker notes during my favorites songs it was driving me crazy but I wrote it off as Tony just having an off night. But then the next night, also in Philly, He was just as bad at hinting clinkers.

Then I saw them in Hershey Arena a few weeks or so later.. same thing.

Then they returned to Philly for another night at the Spectrum.... same thing. By this time I bagan to loathe Tonay Kaye. I didn't understand how Chris and Jon and ALan and Trevor could be so tight and Tony could be so loose.

The problem followed when I saw the BG tour. It was so bad that I decided not to see YES again until they had Geoff Downs or Wakeman back. Then I saw ABWH and was re-invigorated to see YES live!

My problem with Tony is simply his penchant for clinkers when he plays live. I will forever thank him for writing the chord progression which became Starship Trooper.



Sorry Dj I myself am having a Clinker day (lol) i took your post to literally. Truth is He seems awesome on the 9012live videoand on some of the bnoots i have with that lineup but perhaps those preformances i have are the minority and not the majority when my computer is working again I'd be more than happy to send you some of what i feel is Kaye's Best live work.


as for Wakerman I love the guy but sometimes he can be a bit too synthetic. (i feel Geoff is the best of both worlds especially for me as a guitarist Because he can do lead riffs that sound awesome but he isn't too ego tistical and can just as easily pull back and let the Guitarist do his thing)

I love all of yes i just wished the Hired guns of Igor Khorochev and Tom Brislin did more of a Tony Kaye thing (i love tony's sound on Trooper live on the 9012live tour to me that just sounds so awesome) than a "I'll just play a synth solo like wakeman" (altough Pehaps that was Jon's doing if sombody can give me an answer to my "Why did they play melltron solos similar to wakeman on Star Ship Strooper" I'd gladly appreciate it)

once again Dj I apologize for taking it literally and I hope i can send you some of my Yes with Kaye boots hopefully He'll sond better than thos few times you saw him

[Yes.2]

Another Union tour. Sure, why not?

[PhaseDance]

I'd be all over that like:
* white on rice
* stink on a monkey
* Oprah on a baked ham

[MrZuLu]

Uh...because CybrKhatru is actually gonna be playing with Tony Kaye in a coupla months...LOL...I must be nice.

need more input!

[Scottie]

We are such dreamers here...

Since I missed this tour the first time round, are you kidding me?! In a NY minute as they say.

Tony Kaye on keys or not ;)

[KPatrick]

I'd love to see it. Tony could play background chords so that Rick could solo, which would fill out the sound. And Trevor could do justice to the Yes West stuff, fertile ground that has gone unplowed since 2000. No chance of Bruford returning, but no need for 2 drummers either. For that matter, we could leave Tony off if he's too busy and Trevor could back Rick up on keys while Steve does his thing.

This is as hypothetical as an alien invasion, but it's fun to imagine.

[Rabin105]

I'd love to see it. Tony could play background chords so that Rick could solo, which would fill out the sound. And Trevor could do justice to the Yes West stuff, fertile ground that has gone unplowed since 2000. No chance of Bruford returning, but no need for 2 drummers either. For that matter, we could leave Tony off if he's too busy and Trevor could back Rick up on keys while Steve does his thing.

This is as hypothetical as an alien invasion, but it's fun to imagine.
indeed

[BlueEagle]

YEAH! in 2016 they can do a 35th Anniversary (of 90125) tour ;)

[CybrKhatru]

need more input!

OK..here's the deal:

We (Closer to the Edge) are playing at the Ojai Classic Rock Festival Sept 2 (Labor Day Weekend)...and Tony Kaye is in the Neil Young tribute band that is also playing.
We have approached him about sitting in with us, on the song of his choice. Since we do most of the Yes Album (and Astral Traveller) we thought he'd like to jam!

Time will tell what happens with this.... :D

BTW...I voted Yes on the poll. Why not?

--Matt

[Scottie]

Very, very cool Matt!

Interesting thing that he would be playing in a Tribute band.. interesting yet kind of?? as well.

[YesForSure.]

If Kaye and Rabin stay home, and Bill gets a real set of drums, I'm all for it!

[relayeire]

Yes, but not necessarily the same lineup as before... I'd like to see Moraz in there... and maybe Banks...

[Jackaranda]

Bill was not needed in 1991. To me, there were too many drums. Tony wasn't really needed either.

I'd like to see Rabin with the current line up, and maybe Patrick to spell Rick on keys (and do Relayer material). How about a double keyboard solo with Rick and Patrick?

Billy Sherwood could be there just for vocals and to fill out the sound. One of the really strong points of the Talk tour was the vocals.

But....will they tour at all????

[Rabin105]

OK..here's the deal:

We (Closer to the Edge) are playing at the Ojai Classic Rock Festival Sept 2 (Labor Day Weekend)...and Tony Kaye is in the Neil Young tribute band that is also playing.
We have approached him about sitting in with us, on the song of his choice. Since we do most of the Yes Album (and Astral Traveller) we thought he'd like to jam!

Time will tell what happens with this.... :D

BTW...I voted Yes on the poll. Why not?

--Matt
awesome


\ur lucky matt I'd love to Jam with Tony

[jonanderson]

I said YES mostly because i missed the first one, cuz i was 3 years old and i really wish i could have seen all those guys on stage together.

[DJSalt]

I voted YES as well! I missed the union Tour because of money issues at the time, it was the only YES tour I missed since 90125 when I first bagen seeing the band live.

I just received from ebay the Union Tour video and parts of it were mind-blowing awesome! I must admit that my favorite YES song, Awaken, was not done great justice compared to when I saw it on the Ladder Tour. Trevor Rabin was burning hot on the Union video! Shredding like a madman! Wakeman was.... well, WAKEMAN! Jon was spot-on. I didn't see Steve wince at the sound guy one time! There seemed to be a lightheartedness about the band which doesn't come across, usually.

Yes! I would go and would pay $100 per ticket to see Union II!!!

(Nothing like a little monetary incentive to get management's attention)

[Scottie]

What management? Didn't you hear? 10th Street was thrown out by their ear ;)

[DJSalt]

So, who's in charge of the band? Lawyers?

[allpurechance]

Yes!Most assuredly Yes!

(Anything, really, any kind of iteration!LOL...)

Matt!Oh I DO hope Tony K. plays with you guys!

[cinderella]

I think at this point in time most Yes fans would gladly go see another Union Tour and no one would care which members of Yes (past or present) were on stage.

:winknudge

[Witch Seasoner]

I voted yes! Get 'em all back, Kaye, Horn, Moraz, Banks. . .assuming they will all behave and play nicely with one another. :D

[shortexchanges]

I voted yes! Get 'em all back, Kaye, Horn, Moraz, Banks. . .assuming they will all behave and play nicely with one another. :D

EXACTLY, - I HAVE POSTED THAT ALL PREVIOUS MEMBERS GET TOGETHER WITH SOME NEW MUSICIANS AND HAVE A YES ACADEMY TOUR! NOT EVERY MEMBER NEEDS TO BE ON STAGE AT THE SAME TIME. THE SET LIST SHOULD CHANGE EVERY SHOW LIKE THE DEAD SO THE YEAS HEADS COULD FOLLOW A TOUR AND HEAR VIRTUALLY A NEW CONCERT EVERY NIGHT!!

THIS WOULD BE A AWESOME FINAL TOUR!!!

SHORT

[MrZuLu]

EXACTLY, - I HAVE POSTED THAT ALL PREVIOUS MEMBERS GET TOGETHER WITH SOME NEW MUSICIANS AND HAVE A YES ACADEMY TOUR! NOT EVERY MEMBER NEEDS TO BE ON STAGE AT THE SAME TIME. THE SET LIST SHOULD CHANGE EVERY SHOW LIKE THE DEAD SO THE YEAS HEADS COULD FOLLOW A TOUR AND HEAR VIRTUALLY A NEW CONCERT EVERY NIGHT!!

THIS WOULD BE A AWESOME FINAL TOUR!!!

SHORT
WOnderful Idea!!!

[pedro skychaser]

yeah like in futurama---get a yello kombi van+follow bender+beck...oops sorry YES round the mid-level venues of smallTown americana...selling the bluePearls that spew from drZyborg's mouth........ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

[sirlespaul]

If they don't play crap this time... Sure why not!

[YESYOUANDI]

Fcuk me...... no thanks.

One was, one too many.

Cheers fans.

[yes_angel]

YES! with all the band members!

[True Believer]

As I never saw the original, YES!

[wolfhound]

I like what Short suggests.

I don't know what's going on between the members of YES and themselves. I hope they can find a reason to work together.

[relayerjim]

F-Yeah......
Awesome tour is was!
Seen two of that tour..
If it were to happen again I'd like everybody there..

[Scooty]

If they don't play crap this time... Sure why not!


Awaken?
Heart of the Sunrise?
Long Distance Runaround?
And You And I?
Yours is No Disgrace?
Whitefish?


C R A P ??????

What show did you see?

[ToBeOver]

Definitely... YES!


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[jcostello]

Sorry Dj I myself am having a Clinker day (lol) i took your post to literally. Truth is He seems awesome on the 9012live videoand on some of the bnoots i have with that lineup but perhaps those preformances i have are the minority and not the majority when my computer is working again I'd be more than happy to send you some of what i feel is Kaye's Best live work. ...

I'd love to hear Tony Kaye's best live work! It seems kind of hard to find, because I haven't found much from the Yes shows for the first two albums, and there aren't that many good-sounding "Yes Album" tour shows, in my experience.

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[Mc-Merc]

I'd say 'YES', only if the union includes Patrick Moraz, Peter Banks, Trevor Horn, Geoff Downes and Tony Levin BUT excludes Trevor Rabin. Otherwise it's a bit of a waste of time, really...

[True Believer]

Betcha fur!

[yes_angel]

YESSSSSSSSS!!! another please

[Rabin105]

yes toi a see Tony Trevor and bill back with theb and would be awesome but maybe to hear all 8 of them doiung an album maybe with Pat moraz and Geoff downes and Billy sherwood would be cool and of course Trevor horn

[Wild Westie]

Most certainly! Haven't some of you noticed the energy and postitive chemistry Rabin brought to the band? Watch those videos! The smiles and exchanges on stage is quite evident.

[Yes.2]

It's time for a RE_UNION TOUR!!!!!

[ACK!]

Another Union tour? Yes.

Another Union album? No.

[ACK!]

Most certainly! Haven't some of you noticed the energy and postitive chemistry Rabin brought to the band? Watch those videos! The smiles and exchanges on stage is quite evident.

Rabin: Smiles.

Howe: Grimaces.

Steve does not like having two guitarists in the band...period.

A pity.

[cvp18]

Most certainly! Haven't some of you noticed the energy and postitive chemistry Rabin brought to the band? Watch those videos! The smiles and exchanges on stage is quite evident.

i agree with you 100% on this, Jodi! oh yeah, another Union, i can imagine that.

[ASIAnSeasonedWitch]

I'd say 'YES', only if the union includes Patrick Moraz, Peter Banks, Trevor Horn, Geoff Downes and Tony Levin BUT excludes Trevor Rabin. Otherwise it's a bit of a waste of time, really...

I'm quite close to what he says, but to be absolutely honest, I would be really, really happy if Trevor Horn is there.

[somissound]

I'm quite close to what he says, but to be absolutely honest, I would be really, really happy if Trevor Horn is there.


New Yes Album with everybody contributing together

Anderson
Bruford
Howe
Kaye, Downes, or Moraz
Rabin
Squire
Wakeman
White

Trevor Horn Producing/collaborating.....Eno mixing.....
(now I'm really dreaming!)

These guys all together, today, could make a new Yes sound:headset:


Then Tour it with the willing.....:beerchugr:

[pianozach]

New Yes Album with everybody contributing together

Anderson
Bruford
Howe
Kaye, Downes, or Moraz
Rabin
Squire
Wakeman
White

Trevor Horn Producing/collaborating.....Eno mixing.....
(now I'm really dreaming!)

These guys all together, today, could make a new Yes sound:headset:


Then Tour it with the willing.....:beerchugr:

Yes, yes, yes!

[steelyDan]

The answer is Yes !!!!

[pedro skychaser]

actually i'll take 5 or 6 guys who can actually stand eachother...

moraz bruford howe levin + mattBellamy (dreamingggggggggggg)

[FieldsOfGreen]

Not only would I like to see another Union Tour, but I would also love to see a Union album with :

Anderson
Banks
Bruford
Downes
Howe
Kaye
Moraz
Rabin
Sherwood
Squire
Wakeman
White

With Trevor Horn producing and doing occasional vocals. Of course, it would be a real teamwork this time, not like Union. I know that would require a great effort but such great musicians should be able to transcend their differences and see it would be the occasion to do an ultimate work of art.

Call me a dreamer... :yesbird:

[ACK!]

Not only would I like to see another Union Tour, but I would also love to see a Union album with :

Anderson
Banks
Bruford
Downes
Howe
Kaye
Moraz
Rabin
Sherwood
Squire
Wakeman
White

With Trevor Horn producing and doing occasional vocals. Of course, it would be a real teamwork this time, not like Union. I know that would require a great effort but such great musicians should be able to transcend their differences and see it would be the occasion to do an ultimate work of art.

Call me a dreamer... :yesbird:

Nice idea, but it would take them five years just to agree on a producer. No, scratch that, they wouldn't be able to agree on anything.:Wow:

[Senor Mono]

Not only would I like to see another Union Tour, but I would also love to see a Union album with :

Anderson
Banks
Bruford
Downes
Howe
Kaye
Moraz
Rabin
Sherwood
Squire
Wakeman
White

With Trevor Horn producing and doing occasional vocals. Of course, it would be a real teamwork this time, not like Union. I know that would require a great effort but such great musicians should be able to transcend their differences and see it would be the occasion to do an ultimate work of art.

Call me a dreamer... :yesbird:


That is a good dream:appl[1]:

[relayeire]

yes, but with a different lineup than last time...

[Rabin105]

Nice idea, but it would take them five years just to agree on a producer. No, scratch that, they wouldn't be able to agree on anything.:Wow:

how much did yes agree uppon with the close to the edge album lol
ink if done it would be something special and amazing

[Senor Mono]

how much did yes agree uppon with the close to the edge album lol
ink if done it would be something special and amazing


The Magnification album is splendid.Songs like the title track, Give Love Each Day, and In the Presense of are proof. And Wakey is not even on there:Wow: I think they are getting better with age.

[ketace]

No Union tour for me!
As much as I love the band...and even though if it wasn't for Trevor Rabin ..Yes would not of been put back on the map in the late 80's..To me there is only 1 YES...Anderson, White, Howe, Mr. Squire and The Wizard..Mr Rick Wakeman!!!

[Senor Mono]

No Union tour for me!
As much as I love the band...and even though if it wasn't for Trevor Rabin ..Yes would not of been put back on the map in the late 80's..To me there is only 1 YES...Anderson, White, Howe, Mr. Squire and The Wizard..Mr Rick Wakeman!!!

It would be fun to hear Steve and Trevor both play with the classic line up. They might not need all the other guys.

[ToBeOver]

It would be fun to hear Steve and Trevor both play with the classic line up. They might not need all the other guys.

I really don't foresee this ever happening...

But, stranger things have happened over the course of the band's history, so I guess really nothing would surprise me at this point.


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[djcub]

I would go, since it is the only Yes concert I have had the pleasure to see. Not because of Rabin, but to see Bruford!:drummer:

[Rabin105]

A new union would be cool :)

[Steve Mahoney]

Just a tour would be nice.

[90125yes]

yes i would like to see another union

i have the union dvd and the playing is fantastic

( i don't want to get into the politics of how and how is not playing though )

[SilentTalking]

Good lord, a thread that has been running for SEVEN years!!!

I'd love another Union personally..

As for Bruford, I'm a little fed up of his attitude towards his time in Yes (and Genesis), he sounds as if they were obstructing him playing something really interesting like THRAKATTAK. Ahem.................

[orpheus]

I'd love it !!! Jon and Trevor, together again.