Are you a snooty yesfan?

[Tanbar]

do you critisize bands because their music isn't complicated enough?
are you constantly arguing with someone who is of the opinion that prog rock is dead?
do you laugh, or cringe, while listening to music with friends and it's not yes?
do you critisize other yesfans because they like yesmember that you don't?

if you answered yes to any of the above questions, then you are indeed a snooty yesfan.

[Alysoun]

I have been known to be a prog snob at times, though I try
not to be.

So yes, I am.

And proud of it.

Allison

[Joedude]

Prog snobs, eh? Well, I guess you could call me that, especially when most people I know cringe when they hear music I like, especially Yes.

[Gustavo]

It does bother me when YES fans dismiss other music, particularly anything new with the typical: “Nothing that is produced today can compare to YES”.

I love many kinds of music, and can appreciate them without having to compare them with YES. I love lobster, but I also like Thai food, a good steak, or just a juicy burger and fries.

Everything in its right place and time.

Great thread Tanbar!

;)

[nightliner]

Yes is to lobster as Garbage is to garbage.

Yea, I guess I'm a Yes snob.

[ycantibu]

I answered no to every one of these questions. I am not fit to post here.

Originally posted by Tanbar
do you critisize bands because their music isn't complicated enough?
are you constantly arguing with someone who is of the opinion that prog rock is dead?
do you laugh, or cringe, while listening to music with friends and it's not yes?
do you critisize other yesfans because they like yesmember that you don't?

if you answered yes to any of the above questions, then you are indeed a snooty yesfan.

[Neverthirst]

I'm a 'no'.

and to elaborate on the complexity thing ...

I'll take a "red guitar, three chords, and the truth" any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The value of music is not determined by its complexity, that is a matter for determining skill level.

I've known more than one 'shallow' Yesfan ...

I'm for how music moves me ... inside and out ... from the inside-out

You'll have to excuse me now ...

SRV is slidin' a six-string to a slow, slow beat ... and i'm about to cry ...

[Gustavo]

Originally posted by nightliner
Yes is to lobster as Garbage is to garbage.

Calling someone's music garbage is a bit insulting, don't you think? Particularly from a Super Moderator.

While they are not my favorite, Garbage has had some cool stuff!

[illusion]

So now were not allowed are own opinions?

I don't think it's insulting at all.

[nightliner]

That comment was made in jest. Even though I do not care for their music, they are better than anything I could ever do. Sorry if that comment offended anyone. I guess I should of add an;) to try to show it was a joke.

[Gustavo]

Hey Nightliner:

It was a clever pun.


Illusion:

Of course we are all entitled to our opinions but opinions are different than passing judgement. One thing is to say: "I don't care for..", "I dislike...", even "I hate this band...", than to say "The stuff is garbage".

I wonder if to compensate for all the critical attack against YES, YES fans react rather strongly to defend their preference, and come accross rather snooty.

I like YES.

I have had a hard time finding another band that could keep me interested for so many years.

But I also like other kinds of music, from classical to salsa, from Post Rock groups to progressive, from heavier rock to chill out. I don't care too much for Country or Rap, but I had a great time trying to two-step once with a friend of mine who is really into country, and can appreciate why Eminem has gotten so much critical acclaim.

I can see a lot of talent out there without the need to compare it to YES.

[Devotee]

that's what my husband calls me.
I listen to mostly classical music and Yes. I have nothing against other musical forms, I just don't listen to them. I do like some techno, and jazz, but most "pop" just bores me. I hate disco, and country drives me up the wall, but I'll never say that to anyone who likes it. Yeah, I'm a snob - just look at my desert island choices..........

[groovecake]

It's really hard to discuss what types of music are "better" than others because each listener has a different set of priorities - the things that, to them, make it "better".

With regards to what I am listening for in music, Steely Dan will always win out over Yes. The changes are hipper, the grooves are tighter and the songwriting is better - TO ME. Now, does that mean Steely Dan is "better"? To me, yes. To you? No.

It goes back to why you can't say someone is the "best" bass player, drummer, etc. As I have pointed out before, there is no such thing as the best player because of the different requirements of their respective genres.

If you wanna be a snob, that's your prerogative, but more often than not, you are shorting yourself on some good music in other genres that you deem "uncool". Also, you probably aren't going to change anyone's mind.

[gt76yesman]

No, now go away, unless you have something intelligent to add to my day of YES!!!!!


ROTFL

[BILL HERWIG]

snooty is such a krappy word, there has 2 bee sum other word for this topic. think deep, sumone will come up w/1. biker bill

[YYY]

Groovecake!

Interesting. I loved Steely Dan and respected their songwriting and lyrics immensely yet Steely only takes me to a certain level. They are very grounded on the earth emotionally and musically. On the other hand, YES had the ability to send me into a deep mesmerizing trance. The arrangements would be come so complicated and intricate that I could not instantly figure out what they were doing. YES would go far beyond my own imagination. Dan made great music, but nothing beyond my own comprehension. They efffected me emotionally but not technically.
The one thing that I used to say to distinguish YES from other groups was - "YES gives you everything - rock,jazz,classical,hardrock,softrock,newage,psych edelic,ballads,
folk,blues,funk,spiritual,metaphysical,intrumental ,on and on and on... Steely only cover a few levels.....but music is subjective. You may get all those things from a Steely Dan album but I don't.

[Jackaranda]

Yes is better than everyone else and so am I!!!

Of course, most people disagree on both points....LOL!!!

[R'tanys]

I'm stimulated by different types of music in different ways. Yesmusic is the whole enchilada. That's what appeals to me. It's one stop shopping.

[Byroan]

yes

yes

yes

and yes

YES!

guilty to all the above. I always end up steering any musical conversation back to Yes.

[Silent_wings]

I’m definitely not a snooty Yes fan

I can happily answer no to all those questions
Especially criticizing someone for liking another Yes member.
I like them all. :D
It makes life easier and happier.

[upbgirl]

geeze!! here is another 'mirror' i really didnt want to look into today.. thanx alot, tanbar!!:fmad:

truly, tho, i have to fess up and say, YES, i am a snob..i answered yes to all but one of the questions.. [i never make fun of any past or present members of the band-i am with nightliner here-i couldnt do it]:nono:

and 76yesman!!:sofunny: i just LOVE the way you said that!! get out!! hahahaha!!
i am feeling like a split personality lately..there is nothing better than dancing to judas priest or styx or even the nuge, but when i NEED to get deeper, it has to be prog..[and yes, i CAN dance in weird time signatures when it comes to Yes music]

i love the simple formulae of regular pop music-it is GREAT for letting my hair down [and my hair only comes out of the ponytail for three different things];)

i also enjoy the ''feeling'' of knowing 'more' than anybody else when it comes to prog music with the regular top 40 listeners around here.. they think i am the queen of rock n roll jeopardy-just because i love bands they've never even heard of.. go figure!!:confused: [my nickname here is 'freedom rock'-someday, i will ask howe that name happened..]

i think we all get into trouble because we try to explain the 'feelings' and emotions we get from yesmusic, and since it can barely be explained in ANY language except what can be on the staff paper, we sound kind of like the loonies on the grass in floyds dark side..like addicts who can expound for DAYS on the virtues of our music.. our high.. our feelings of complete peacefulness after a show.. i feel like a born again trying to convert people to our 'way of life'.. and i will admit, right here and now, that when i meet someone of above-average intelligence, i am always SHOCKED when they say they know nothing of yes other than 'owner'..
i guess i LIKE to feel like we are our own exclusive club.. privy to some miraculous things that the rest of the world cannot comprehend because they are 'surface dwellers'..

oh oh..
let me reiterate..
yes, i am a musical snob..[with a very open mind]:meteo2: :shrug:

[ranyart]

I guess I am a little guilty of being a snooty kind of fan at times.
Like for instance i just posted on a thread titled "Metallica" and my post was a little snooty because I was just wondering what the hell a Metallica thread is doing on a YES SITE?

[upbgirl]

Originally posted by ranyart
I was just wondering what the hell a Metallica thread is doing on a YES SITE?
well, even yesfans have to be visited by the 'sandman' every now and again..;)

[hey! i just hit 1400 posts-yippee!!-way behind, here, aye?? LOL!]

[Sheerah]

Dang, UPB, how is it that you only have 1400 posts? I don't get it. I never really bothered to look, but I would have guessed about 3000 posts. Obviously, that means that your posts are twice as powerful as the "average" poster;)

YES's music moves me like no other music I have ever encountered. And yet, I am powerfully moved by some music from other musicians or bands. It's just that YES consistently moves me, and other music doesn't.

I love most genres of music, except maybe C&W and easy listening, the more recent years of R&B, and any Asian and Indian music I have heard. Lot's of my friends in my age group listen to easy listening. I loathe it, but I grin and bear it. When we're in my car or my house, they have to listen to my stuff.

Everything has its place for the most part.
I know I am practically alone on this site in my view, but I love disco music. It's fun and great to dance to.
I've recently come to appreciate Opera.
I've been turned on to turntableism.
I love the pounding beat of techno.

It's all good.

[Dale Cleary]

:D

Music is all good.

[Dances w/PURPLE]

than snotty! Would hate to be a YESFAN full of snot!

[Sheerah]

I'm a Yesfan full of shiit

[Dale Cleary]

Originally posted by sschiffman
I'm a Yesfan full of shiit

[soleil7]

well. ill have to answer yes to this one. just the other day at work a doc and i were discussing Yes, and he said "you're a yes snob" and i responded with " thank you " ( trying not to be smug and superior, but not succeeding ;) )

[soleil7]

LOL dances, upbgirl, and sschiffman !! y'all are crazeeeee !!!

[Thoughtbecontact]

I've been considered a snooty music fan since college when my sister-in-law called me one. The one thing I won't do is criticize other individuals who like a certain member of Yes whom I may not like. That's simply not in me--it's more a matter of personal taste.

But I do lik my prog, more than anything else. That doesn't mean I don't like other forms of music--it just means I don't like them as much. And I do like complex music.

[Jackaranda]

It's always been Beatles, Yes and everyone else for me, so I guess I have that kind of tunnel vision that makes us "snooty". My musical taste have been described with exactly that word before, I know.........

[Jackaranda]

One of the reasons my wife and I appealed to each other, and have managed to stay together so long, is that we're both a little "left field", for lack of a better term. But she thinks my devotion to Yes all these years is a bit crazy. On the other hand, I'll never understand how she can like folk music and heavy metal both, but that's just her.....it's just a matter of perpective, I guess????

[Earl Grey]

I try not to be 'snooty'.

But it never fails... I'll mention YES in a conversation, and 'Joe-Bad-Taste' will say, 'YES? Are they still together? Didn't they do that song 'Everybody Wang-Chun Tonight' or something? Oh yeah, they did 'Round a Booty' huh? DOn't like them...

"OK Joe, so WHAT the hell DO you like then?"

'Oh! I like 'Deaf Leper' man! And bands that shred, like 'Anthrax' or 'Biohazard' or or or...

As I walk away, shaking my head and the dust off my feet, mumbling 'cretin cretin cretin' just under my breath...

I really try not to be snooty. HAR! :rolleyes:

And I fail constantly...

What can I say,
We have supurb taste here at Yesfans!

'Round-A-Booty'. hehe! ;)

:ele:

[Sheerah]

Earl, :lmao:

[yessongs72]

I'm proud to be a snooty Yes fan/ Music fan. if it's good, I will tell you. If it sucks, yep I will tell you.

[Gabriel]

Well, I wouldnt say i'm snooty about yes at all; I mean, if someone were to agrue with me about how chart music today is better than yes I would make my points about why I like them so much but I like a number of bands so I dont go around saying that Yes is thebest thing in the world and everything else sucks but I woudlnt let someone slag them off saying that 50 cent is better than them; hell no!

What the hell..i'm snooty sometimes of course I am! Yes are fantastic and I'm proud to love em! But I wouldnt slag someone else's taste off unless they bashed Yes.

[Timmo]

It's really hard to discuss what types of music are "better" than others because each listener has a different set of priorities - the things that, to them, make it "better".

With regards to what I am listening for in music, Steely Dan will always win out over Yes. The changes are hipper, the grooves are tighter and the songwriting is better - TO ME. Now, does that mean Steely Dan is "better"? To me, yes. To you? No.

It goes back to why you can't say someone is the "best" bass player, drummer, etc. As I have pointed out before, there is no such thing as the best player because of the different requirements of their respective genres.

If you wanna be a snob, that's your prerogative, but more often than not, you are shorting yourself on some good music in other genres that you deem "uncool". Also, you probably aren't going to change anyone's mind.I love "Steely Dan," but it just doesn't send me the same way that Yes does.

To me, Steely Dan is scarily hip, their timings are impeccable, they always seem to have just the right notes, cynical, interesting lyrics.

But cold as ice, and VERY cerebral and calculated. It hits my head, not my heart.

That said, I spin Steely Dan quite a bit.

I am definitely not a prog-snob, as there is a lot of music that I love that is straight-ahead rock, or Texas blues (SRV makes me DROOL), these musics tend to hit my heart, and not my head.

Yes is the only band that hits both.

I find it going the other way...so many people I know just don't get Yes (or prog in general) at all. It either does nothing for them, or they out-and-out HATE it (my roommate is a confirmed prog-hater...but then again, he loves Merle Haggard).

TIM
Venice, CA

[Serious Dreamer]

Does anybody here know a TV show called "Gilmore Girls"?
I used to love that show until the day Lane said prog rock was boring.

Well, I still watch the show but I now officially HATE Lane. I mean who does she think she is????

[jcostello]

do you critisize bands because their music isn't complicated enough?
are you constantly arguing with someone who is of the opinion that prog rock is dead?
do you laugh, or cringe, while listening to music with friends and it's not yes?
do you critisize other yesfans because they like yesmember that you don't?

if you answered yes to any of the above questions, then you are indeed a snooty yesfan.

In the case of '70s progressive rock, Yes and Jethro Tull are the only ones I see who are keeping the flame flickering. Genesis is gone, King Crimson sounds nothing like they did in the '70s, the Moody Blues aren't doing anything that seems remotely progressive, Pink Floyd is gone, ELP is gone, and most of what people try to pass off as progressive rock now bares little or no resemblance to either what progressive rock was in the '70s, or anything that I would consider progressive now (biggest offender in my opinion: prog metal, especially Dream Theater).

To address your first question second, I feel that too many of the bands that try to be "progressive" now value complexity over compositional good sense or listenability. So you can cram 500 chord changes into a measure, so what? Produce something I'd want to listen to, that's more important!

Some music that isn't Yes does make me cringe. Some music doesn't. I have eclectic tastes.

Hey, it doesn't matter to me which Yesfan likes which member of Yes. Everyone has an opinion, and the fun comes when we don't agree on everything. Viva la difference!

If any or all of this makes me a snooty Yesfan, then I wear my snoot proudly, cha cha (sorry, I was possessed by Dennis Miller for a moment there).

John Crazed-And-Potentially-Snooty Yesfan

[jcostello]

"I don't think that being white necessarily invalidates your funk"

----------- Kurt Michaels of Yesfans

Which explains why Chicago is touring with Earth, Wind and Fire this summer. I may actually go to that show, I saw/heard them jamming together on TV, and it's sounding really good.

John Crazed Yes-and-other-bands-fan

[CybrKhatru]

I try not to be a snooty "Yesfan," but God knows I probably am a snooty "music" fan.
It's mostly in terms of modern "pop" music that any biases come out. I listen to people at work talk about American Idol, or the latest thing on MTV/Vh1/KISS FM, and I just bite my tongue....they don't wanna hear it, and I don't wanna say it!
Blame it on my education---I miss songs with REAL drums, REAL instruments,
hell, people who are REALLY singing, and not just using Pro-Tools to "craft" a lead vocal. Modern R&B? No thanks---make mine an Otis Redding, please. And what happened to songs with hooks? I'm sorry, but people are not going to be singing Mariah Carey songs around the campfire 50 years from now---because few human beings can actually sing that way, and I doubt that even Mariah herself can do it. Sorry....that's not melody, that's vocal gynmastics. Where's the bleedin' SONG?

Even the Country folks are using the "pop" technology now to "fix" everything in the mix, and it sounds so fake and sterile it makes me sick. Give me Willie or Johnny any day over that stuff. A trained ear can hear a "Pro-Tooled" vocal a mile away.

Both Anastasia and I have a huge record/CD library, which is very eclectic...so maybe we're not that snobbish! LOL....and I like a lot of what I call "big dumb rock"....but then again, "big dumb rock" makes no pretense about what it is...it's big, dumb, and loud! I just miss the NATURALNESS of what music used to be. When the technology was less advanced, one had to have more brains and raw talent to create something. Now virtually anyone can do it. That's fine----but why use it to be something you're not?

---Matt, a young proponent of "old school" in virtually every genre.

[TroopersOwnz]

I wouldn't say I am particularly snooty, i just can't stand certain kinds of music (rap, pop, pop-punk etc.). I just listen to the stuff, shrug, say it just isn't music and curl up into a fetal position and begin Yes therapy. I find that i can respect most music as long as it is real music and not commercialized crap.

[custom55]

I guess I am...I know one thing, you won't see me watching DT at the August shows. I'd rather spend my time tailgating and listening to YESSONGS, YESSHOWS and KEYS.

[Earl Grey]

I am snooty as all hell about YES.

I believe that YES is simply the finest contemporary musical entity in the known world.

I would rather listen to 'weeds' of recent Yesshows than half-assed recordings by new bands (there are a couple of 'new' bands that I find, um... interesting, but that's about the extent of it).

Though there are other 'prog' bands that I like and love, I still would rather listen to YES. I tend to OD on YES, and then I'll listen to Porcupine Tree or Radiohead or ELP or Focus or KC or elsewhat. Most of these bands are elderstatesmen from 30 years ago. *Sigh* So it goes.

But I'll usually listen to YES first, the other stuff is pretty much windowdressing to me.

And I'm snooty as all hell about it. Why not? YES is larger than life as well. That's probably why I love them so.

My standards are extremely high, I know what I like, and YES fills the bill.

Next! :ele:

[yesgeo]

Well now, Yes are pretty dang good...but they are not the only fish swimming in this musical sea of life....and as we all know, you can't tunafish everywhere anyhow...

All music, played good, Yes, played with feeling, with abandon, and Yes, with extended interludes, and all music, with meaningful lyrics, heartfelt creativity, played with joy...get's my vote.

Hmmm...Yes~indeed Yes does manage to do all of that....
Yesgeo...http://img38.exs.cx/img38/2669/yestour.th.jpg (http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=yestour.jpg)

[Earl Grey]

I am indubitably a snooty yesfan. Unequivocally. Unabashedly.

Yup, I sho-nuff is!

;)

[loulamb]

This may not be exactly on topic, but I thought it somehow fit. Following is an excerpt from my son's blog, which I don't think he knows that I know about, but anyway, he's a college student and with all of the peer pressure to like certain kinds of music, I thought this was really cool...guess I raised him right!

" ...and now I am going to jump back to talking about YES. the other day it was amazing. YES was on tv on the craig kilbourne show. I didnt actually watch the show due to the fact that I hate kilbourne but I got to see the performace. It was so cool they played a swing feel to roundabout. now for those of you who don't know YES. YES is a progressive rock band from the late 60s to well now. I think my favorite thing about them is the style they play refers to classical music alot. Some of their songs are actually broken up into movements. and come to think of it, when they walk onto the stage the firebird suite is playing and they start thier first song right from it the ending chords... friggin amazing stuff... but the best part is they will not let a time limit dictate how long a song will be this means is that this 45 min I am typing I might play 4 songs. but they are not dragged out. if they were shorter they would not be complete. I get so mad at how modern music has to try to be no more then about 2 or 3 minutes otherwise it will never get radio play. and its the truth. and if they do play longer songs on the radio its all cut up...."

[True Believer]

While I would never criticise other yesfans because they like a yesmember that I don't, I had to answer YES to the other questions.

[umgekehrt]

I'm not snooty. But I know someone who is: Scooty! Oh wait, he's not snooty, just scooty...

[MoonGateClimber]

Well, I guess I am somewhat of a snooty Yesfan...
I answered "yes" to "Do you criticize other bands?" and "Do you argure with people about Prog rock being dead?".
I meant to click the "Yes!" option, but I accidentaly clicked the "well, nooooo....". I wasn't paying attention...

[Topographic][Sardaukar]

Well, I am a prog snob but mostly just a snob of good music in general.

[yarstruly]

Not a snob...just a geek!

[Silent_wings]

yup me too!

[Alex]

Yes I Am

[volah_dohvah]

After considerable deliberation, I finally admitted to myself that yes, I am snooty about Yes. I must be. I am snooty about music in general. If it's even the slightest bit of bad, I put it down. I say "Yes is better."

[Sheerah]

I'm snooty about coffee.

[scootwhoman]

Yes, dear friends, before you stands a snooty, nose-in-the-air, superior, SNOB about Yes. But I got help before it was too late, and now know the error of my ways. It was difficult, and, at times I thought that I could go no further, but, finally, I was able to listen to INFERIOR music and not comment upon its lack of sophisication, complexity, composition, or charactor. I think that it was the electroshock therapy that did the trick. That, and being so drunk one time that Molly Hatchet actually sounded GOOD. At the precise moment, I was not able to analyze this revelation, (I had to close one eye to be able to read my watch,) but later I was able to grasp the idea that ALL music is good, at some point in time. If you are on an airplane in an inverted dive, in flames, then AC/DC might be really good.

When you are in a bar full of drunk cowboys and goatropers, then Merle Haggard will sound infinitely better than Yes. (Unless you want to find out why cowboy boots have such pointy toes.)

So don't give up hope! You too can learn to listen to 'popular' music without alienating everyone in the room, and still be true to yourself. Just keep your mouth and ears shut, and no one will get hurt.

And remember, the best response to any musical statement about any band is :"Have you ever seen them live?"

[YepMan]

I am definitely a music snob. Although I can listen to other types of music, I relish the opportunities to verbally beat someone down who extolls the virtues of AC/DC or ZZ Top. This causes great friction between my friends and me, but so be it. At least I'm not stuck in some '80s hair metal hell as are some people I know.

[Ancient tales]

[Sardaukar']Well, I am a prog snob but mostly just a snob of good music in general.=
====

I totally agree with you on this!!

Cherry

[Faceintheplace]

I'm a music fan plain and simple and I listen to all sorts of things. I can appreciate Tales From Topopgraphic Oceans but I'm not so snooty that I can't rock out with some AC/DC.

[Artman]

I'm very snooty about rock music. Having been around rock muscians for years I have found them to be a pretty vapied lot. Riff rockers and hair bands irritate me, as well as most of today's pop music. I like Yes, Steely Dan and
Little Feat. Each of them have a unique approch to rock music spiced with different generes. Of course everyone has a subjective ear and I respect that, but if I can't detect any talent or originality I avoid it or dismiss it.

[Hill St.]

I'm a snob,There's good music then,there's Yes.

[cinderella]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/N99%20Smileys/ecwont.gif What me snooty?

[yesmandroc]

I am quite possibly the snootiest YesFan here. If you can't understand why Big Generator, Topographic Oceans, Drama,and Tormato are equally good then you aren't even worthy to listen to Yes,

My elitism extends beyond Yes. If you can't see the creative genius behind Eminem, Tool, or late Beethoven then we just can't hang.

[gt76yesman]

I'm sure I do not know what you are talking aboot.....

...I'm just little ol', innocent me

[sissywoods]

This poll has been bothering me everytime I've seen it pop up. Should we as supposedly progressive fans be snobby? Do you think Yes are snobbish in their musical experimentation or explorations?
NO!! That would stifle their creativity.
IMHO
Something in the music has to move me in the melody, structure, or general mood. I do not cut myself off or build barriers around my musical enjoyment. I listen to all different kinds of music and have a fondness for certain types of music. With that said, I am not a snooty Yes fan.

[yesmandroc]

Well i don't think the question is "should" we be snobby, but rather, "are we?" Like i said, I am totally snobby about all music, not just Yes. As soon as I like some music I instantly start to analyze it. This usually leads me to like it more. This also has led me to like more different types of music. So not only am I snobby about the music we share here, but I like more types of music than most people.

Some people, however, never get past that first stage of "I like this because it's pretty, moving, exciting, etc." These people tend to like CTTE but not Big Generator because it has an "80's rock riff." They only hear the topical differences, not the latent similarities. I am better than these people.

[Timmo]

I am quite possibly the snootiest YesFan here. If you can't understand why Big Generator, Topographic Oceans, Drama,and Tormato are equally good then you aren't even worthy to listen to Yes,

My elitism extends beyond Yes. If you can't see the creative genius behind Eminem, Tool, or late Beethoven then we just can't hang.I'm with ya on everything but "Big Generator."

And BOY do you get a lot of flack if you DARE talk about how eminem's lyrics approach brilliance in a room full of prog snobs.

Or worse, be a metalhead (ask Silent Wings about that!).

[yesmandroc]

I'm with ya on everything but "Big Generator."

And BOY do you get a lot of flack if you DARE talk about how eminem's lyrics approach brilliance in a room full of prog snobs.

Or worse, be a metalhead (ask Silent Wings about that!).

Tell me about it. Sometimes I wonder why I even try.

[Earl Grey]

I'm a good natured YESsnob.

And sometimes a good natured YESslob, but we wont talk about that.

I do have YES decor in this place, framed signed posters, an oil painting of a Mooreglade Glider... A signed Roger Dean/Jon Anderson litho of Relayer...
So I didn't pick my laundry up from the floor this week, what of it?!

:ele:

[Scooty]

Snooty?? Me? No way....

Pass the snifter of brandy this way please...
I can't stand when the little people have to work for me..;)

[Earl Grey]

Send a few of your enhanced small statured friends this way Scooty!

Tomorrow is my day off.

I get to pick-up after me'self.

Life's a beeyatch!

:ele:

[Scooty]

Right away EG..

(snap snap)* Come forth my helpers...brin gEarl his libation of choice...mow the lawn and start the bath...
Chop Chop!!!

Snooty....Me?? Nooooooooooooo

[Earl Grey]

My libation? Seagrams 7 and coffee (of course!).

Seagrams was on sale, and Bushmills was not. I rest my case (An entire case of Seagrams 7! Not really... Damn).

:ele:

[scootwhoman]

How could I NOT be snotty, when my favorite band is still producing fresh, dynamic music 30 years after the first album came out? When young people who hardly know anything but rap get captivated by Yes music to the point where they listen to it all day? When every other 60's era band is either playing their old hits over and over, or producing music that sounds just like what they were playing 30 years ago? When, time after time, people around me begin to listen to Yes, irregardless of their age?

Let's face it, Yes is quality music, with depth, charactor, spirit, intelligence, virtuosoe performances, and incredible recording clarity and dynaminc range. This is a band which put the music ahead of personalities, media hype, even pressure from their label. No other successful band that I can think of has weathered half as many personnel changes, breakups, and long hiatus's between albums. This is not a bunch of angry kids singing about being blasted out of their minds, or destroying everything, or wanting some girl so bad that they can think of nothing else. This is mature music, which happened to come out at a time when there was a lot of immature music being released. Certainly there were other bands which were more popular at the time, but the energy behind their music often was too intense to maintain for very long, or deadly if one tried.

Yes is powerful without being loud, fast, thrashing, screaming, smashing, distorting, or sarcastic. Because Yes touches our souls, our hearts, with melody, harmony, structure, contemplation. Yes music is as timeless as a great symphony, or piece of art, or story. We are all very lucky to be present when this music is created, for we will not see the likes of it for a long time, I think.

[Wild Westie]

How could I NOT be snotty, when my favorite band is still producing fresh, dynamic music 30 years after the first album came out? When young people who hardly know anything but rap get captivated by Yes music to the point where they listen to it all day? When every other 60's era band is either playing their old hits over and over, or producing music that sounds just like what they were playing 30 years ago? When, time after time, people around me begin to listen to Yes, irregardless of their age?

Let's face it, Yes is quality music, with depth, charactor, spirit, intelligence, virtuosoe performances, and incredible recording clarity and dynaminc range. This is a band which put the music ahead of personalities, media hype, even pressure from their label. No other successful band that I can think of has weathered half as many personnel changes, breakups, and long hiatus's between albums. This is not a bunch of angry kids singing about being blasted out of their minds, or destroying everything, or wanting some girl so bad that they can think of nothing else. This is mature music, which happened to come out at a time when there was a lot of immature music being released. Certainly there were other bands which were more popular at the time, but the energy behind their music often was too intense to maintain for very long, or deadly if one tried.

Yes is powerful without being loud, fast, thrashing, screaming, smashing, distorting, or sarcastic. Because Yes touches our souls, our hearts, with melody, harmony, structure, contemplation. Yes music is as timeless as a great symphony, or piece of art, or story. We are all very lucky to be present when this music is created, for we will not see the likes of it for a long time, I think.

Well stated!
I'm proud to be a snooty Yesfan too!

[DaveJB]

I'd like to second (or third, or fifth, or whatever number we're up to!) that sentiment. I love Yes music because it's bright & optimistic, it's happy, but not so popy. Unlike a lot of music that's out that's either about street thugs, or beating up your girlfriend, or other such things.

It's also smart music, not just for a group of elitist snobs, but for anyone. It's accessible in a good, positive way. How many other groups can a 45 yr old & an 8 yr old enjoy together?? That's why I guess I'm a snooty fan !

Oh yes, also because one of my dear long time friends can't stand that I like them! It drives her nuts. It's a long running joke between us! Ah, the joys of being a musical snob.

[sissywoods]

Thought you guys might find this amusing. When searching for how to define Prog http://snobsite.com/ (with the theme of the poll here) had this to say:

Prog. Abbreviation for progressive rock, a term used to describe the single most deplored genre of postwar pop music, inhabited by young musicians who, entranced by the eclecticism, elaborate arrangements, and ostentatious filigrees of the Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper era, distorted their enthusiasm into a 1970s morass of eternal song suites with multiple time signatures, ponderous space-cadet or medievalist lyrics, ridiculous capes and headpieces (especially where Yes’s keyboard player, Rick Wakeman, was concerned), and an overall wretched bigness of sound, staging, and hair. But while prog’s most egregious culprits (ELP, Yes, Jethro Tull, Rush) are easy objects of ridicule, the postmodernist penchant for rummaging through every single chapter of rock’s past has made even these bands worthy of Snob investigation and adulation. Though they’re loath to admit it, Radiohead have picked up the prog mantle more than any other contemporary band.

There are some funny entries on that site.

[Jackaranda]

This poll has been bothering me everytime I've seen it pop up. Should we as supposedly progressive fans be snobby? Do you think Yes are snobbish in their musical experimentation or explorations?
NO!! That would stifle their creativity.
IMHO
Something in the music has to move me in the melody, structure, or general mood. I do not cut myself off or build barriers around my musical enjoyment. I listen to all different kinds of music and have a fondness for certain types of music. With that said, I am not a snooty Yes fan.

I'm a Sissy Woods fan.

[JaneEyre]

Oh. I thought the poll said "Scooty" Yesfan, so only one person could vote, really.

My mistake.

[Earl Grey]

Oh. I thought the poll said "Scooty" Yesfan, so only one person could vote, really.

My mistake. :lmao: Good one there Jane Eyre!

I'm snooty and I am proud!

[JaneEyre]

:lmao: Good one there Jane Eyre!

I'm snooty and I am proud!
I would say "thank you" for the compliment, but I'm too snooty.

[cinderella]

Snooty no......snotty maybe.

[Timmo]

Does liking complex music make one "snooty?"

[TempusFugit89]

I have been known to be a prog snob at times, though I try
not to be.

So yes, I am.

And proud of it.

Allison

Same here, I really hate it when people just listen to one song and say the band sucks, even though they havn't listened to any otehr songs by'em...

this happens to me ALOT!

[SonicDeath10]

I am not a snooty yes fan. or actually that big of a prog fan. like probably 4 or 5 of the bands.

[jcostello]

Thought you guys might find this amusing. When searching for how to define Prog http://snobsite.com/ (with the theme of the poll here) had this to say:

Prog. Abbreviation for progressive rock, a term used to describe the single most deplored genre of postwar pop music, inhabited by young musicians who, entranced by the eclecticism, elaborate arrangements, and ostentatious filigrees of the Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper era, distorted their enthusiasm into a 1970s morass of eternal song suites with multiple time signatures, ponderous space-cadet or medievalist lyrics, ridiculous capes and headpieces (especially where Yes’s keyboard player, Rick Wakeman, was concerned), and an overall wretched bigness of sound, staging, and hair. But while prog’s most egregious culprits (ELP, Yes, Jethro Tull, Rush) are easy objects of ridicule, the postmodernist penchant for rummaging through every single chapter of rock’s past has made even these bands worthy of Snob investigation and adulation. Though they’re loath to admit it, Radiohead have picked up the prog mantle more than any other contemporary band.

There are some funny entries on that site.

Rick's cape is ridiculous? No way, Rick's cape is awesome!

I think whomever wrote that is just jealous, because Rick and his cape have gotten luckier than they ever will (well, except for the subsequent divorces).

They forgot to use "pretentious," although the use of "ostentatious filigrees" almost makes up for it.

John Wish-I-Had-A-Cape-Like-Wakeman Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[JaneEyre]

I am not a snooty yes fan. or actually that big of a prog fan. like probably 4 or 5 of the bands.
Me too, actually.

[SonicDeath10]

my favorite current band is 10cc: my all time favorite is The Who. My favorite prog band is Yes though. I consider the Beach Boys and Yes to be on the same pedestal: that shows where my sympathies lie. :lmao:

[Earl Grey]

my favorite current band is 10cc: my all time favorite is The Who. My favorite prog band is Yes though. I consider the Beach Boys and Yes to be on the same pedestal: that shows where my sympathies lie. :lmao:

The Beach Boys were pretty progressive for their time. They gave The Beatles a run, and it wasn't 'til Sgt Pepper came-out that Brian Wilson had a nervous breakdown, and put the match to 'Smile'.

...I bet Jon Anderson would be proud to have had YES compared to 'Pet Sounds'.

Good stuff all around SonicDeath~

You are a positive soul. Carry On!

:ele:

[SonicDeath10]

thank you :D. have you heard Smile as released last years? it's wonderful and amazing. He still has a genius.

[Timmo]

My roommate is a snooty ANTI-prog fan.

For example, he loves metal, but if I put on Dream Theater, he complains that it's metal that "sounds like Yes."

Any music that's remotely complex gets an automatic "this crap sounds like Yes" comment.

[DW Duke]

My roommate is a snooty ANTI-prog fan.

For example, he loves metal, but if I put on Dream Theater, he complains that it's metal that "sounds like Yes."

Any music that's remotely complex gets an automatic "this crap sounds like Yes" comment.

Sounds like a perfect case for "Mission Impossible" psychotherapy. LOL

[yesmandroc]

My roommate is a snooty ANTI-prog fan.

For example, he loves metal, but if I put on Dream Theater, he complains that it's metal that "sounds like Yes."

Any music that's remotely complex gets an automatic "this crap sounds like Yes" comment.

Dream Theater sounds like Yes? Are there two different Dream Theater's, or two different Yes'?

[cactus jon]

Wasn't one of the "Commandments" :

"Thou shalt have no other bands before Yes"???

I'm going to "snooty" hell...

[yeswab]

HEY, HEY, HEY! Who said Yes aren't loud?

[Starship Trooper]

My roommate is a snooty ANTI-prog fan.

For example, he loves metal, but if I put on Dream Theater, he complains that it's metal that "sounds like Yes."

Any music that's remotely complex gets an automatic "this crap sounds like Yes" comment.Is your roommate a heavy extrovert?

From my experience it seems that people who automatically ridicule music with any complexity at all usually fall into that personality category. They can't relate to introverted "thinkers" music and instead like music with simpler emotions and structure - music that thrives at parties and public gatherings rather than headphones and quiet, intimate environments.

Their music tends to be the kind that can be appreciated on the very first listen but quickly wears thin vs. Tales or CTTE which must be listened to probably 5 or more times before it can really sink in. Their music is without longevity a lot of the time and doesn't take a mental investment to pay off.

Frankly, I think Yes is too deep for them and way over their heads. I'm snooty in that way, but I believe that assessment to be the harsh truth. ;)

But in their defense, the other side of the coin has seen me ridiculing things that AREN'T complicated, as if everything must be a 20 minute epic masterpiece to have any worth. I guess I have issues, too!

[Starship Trooper]

And BOY do you get a lot of flack if you DARE talk about how eminem's lyrics approach brilliance in a room full of prog snobs.

Or worse, be a metalhead (ask Silent Wings about that!).I'd be willing to give Eminem a listen if he changed his artistic composition from 90% punk-arse attitude/10% lyrics to 90% lyrics/10% attitude instead.

I just can't get past the thuggish attitude - the phony chest-puffing distracts too much from whatever he's trying to say. Plus, there's also the issue of the music behind his rapping being artificial and without any real musical instruments.

No, I'll happily continue to be a snob when it comes to Yes vs. current day rap and pop.

[CybrKhatru]

And BOY do you get a lot of flack if you DARE talk about how eminem's lyrics approach brilliance in a room full of prog snobs.

Good point Tim--that's why I don't hang much with "prog snobs"...thank God more or less all the musicians we know are eclectic to a fault. They talk about and appreciate something about nearly every kinda music!

---Matt, an "anti-label" Yesfan :headset:

[yeswab]

Where do you guys even FIND progressive-rock fans to hang around with? Hell, I've been known to have trouble disposing of extra tickets as far back as 1994!

[yesmandroc]

Where do you guys even FIND progressive-rock fans to hang around with? Hell, I've been known to have trouble disposing of extra tickets as far back as 1994!

Oh, you didn't go to music school, did you? (How's that for snooty) All my friends are prog fans and music snobs like me. The funniest part is that we all have our guilty pleasures. I play classical guitar, but for fun I go to open mic nights and play things like Culture Club and Wham.

[jcostello]

I guess I am...I know one thing, you won't see me watching DT at the August shows. I'd rather spend my time tailgating and listening to YESSONGS, YESSHOWS and KEYS.

In addition to potentially being a snooty Yesfan, I'm definitely a snooty DT nonfan, and very proud of this fact. I walked out on them the first time I was exposed to their wretchedness, and wished to god that Yes would have never picked them as their opening act on the last tour.

John Super Mega Crazed Not-A-DT-Fan

[Timmo]

I love Dream Theater, and can't wait until their show in July.

Megadeth I can do without. Maybe we'll leave early.

[neilius]

I answered no to all the questions asked in the first post on this thread.
However, I do get a lot of flack from friends who hate prog, normally comments like 'You still listening to that old *hit' and the like. I dont care. They can keep their music, the music of photogenic imbeciles, chart fodder that gets boring after 2 listens, dance music that never changes meter or tempo, rap music ( do you remember that usher track from last year? yea yea yea it was called, number one on both sides of the atlantic; it goes like this (single notes) g(semi-quaver) d(quaver)g(semi-quaver)d#(crotchet)g(semi-quaver)d#(quaver)g(semi-quaver)d(crotchet), thats the entire music on that track with a back beat of about 60 beats per minute) I love music with all my soul, but this stuff, this so called popular music is mindless.
There! rant over; no im not a snooty yes fan, i just appreciate good music like we all do on this site.

[neilius]

In the above post i mentioned the entire notes for a famous rap song of last year,
here are the entire notes for tales... only kidding!

[ronsalehnasir]

I voted yes, i.e., I am a snooty Yes fan. But I think those that voted, "they are the greatest band in the world" are even snootier than I am. For I am willing to admit that musical taste is subjective. But I think that my taste is superior anyway.

[jcostello]

I answered no to all the questions asked in the first post on this thread.
However, I do get a lot of flack from friends who hate prog, normally comments like 'You still listening to that old *hit' and the like. I dont care. They can keep their music, the music of photogenic imbeciles, chart fodder that gets boring after 2 listens, dance music that never changes meter or tempo, rap music ( do you remember that usher track from last year? yea yea yea it was called, number one on both sides of the atlantic; it goes like this (single notes) g(semi-quaver) d(quaver)g(semi-quaver)d#(crotchet)g(semi-quaver)d#(quaver)g(semi-quaver)d(crotchet), thats the entire music on that track with a back beat of about 60 beats per minute) I love music with all my soul, but this stuff, this so called popular music is mindless.
There! rant over; no im not a snooty yes fan, i just appreciate good music like we all do on this site.

All the quavers and crotchets made me feel like I was at a Renaissance Festival (although that isn't until August).

John Super Mega Crazed Yes and Ren Fest Fan

[SonicDeath10]

yes isn't as good as wham. ;)

[Albedo]

I voted "greatest band in the world". Is that snooty?

I like good musicianship. It doesn't have to be fast or extremely complicated, but well played. Although I kinda liked Grand Funk back in the day....Hmmm.

[allpurechance]

I have been watching this thread on and off ,trying to determine if I have an answer to the question...

The answer after much consideration is no.However,I am a 'pushy' Yesfan.Even to this day I try to make converts,but not with as much insistence,not with the same tenacity as I used to have in the old days.In the seventies,if you came over to my house,you were going to hear some Yes,that was all there was to it.And,more than likely,alot of Yes!

[Scooty]

(raising a snifter to my face)....NO NO NO!! This was to be the '66 barrel not the '67!!

Andre!, More caviar...

Eh hem, snooty? Me No way..excuse me for a moment..

(answers cell phone).."No mummy I simply canno make it to the Hamptons this weekend. Bunny and I have an appointment with the interior decorator for our Chalet in Switzerland..

Sorry, As I was sayin, I am NOT a snooty Yesfan...

[allpurechance]

(raising a snifter to my face)....NO NO NO!! This was to be the '66 barrel not the '67!!

Andre!, More caviar...

Eh hem, snooty? Me No way..excuse me for a moment..

(answers cell phone).."No mummy I simply canno make it to the Hamptons this weekend. Bunny and I have an appointment with the interior decorator for our Chalet in Switzerland..

Sorry, As I was sayin, I am NOT a snooty Yesfan...

lmaooOOOOOOOOOooo,Scoot!

[SCHSYesfan]

I guess I might be. Almost everyone I talk to on a regular basis dosen't think Yes is classified as rock. Oh well., I guess it just depends on how you look at things.

[SonicDeath10]

I voted "greatest band in the world". Is that snooty?

I like good musicianship. It doesn't have to be fast or extremely complicated, but well played. Although I kinda liked Grand Funk back in the day....Hmmm.
grand funk could come up with a great song, once in awhile. Example: American Band is oen of my favorite pure rock songs of all time.

[Yes2Yes]

I wouldn't consider myself snooty, but I will defend YES to the end. Most of my friends will listen to YES if it's playing, but they are not true <i>Yeasfans</i>.

[Albedo]

grand funk could come up with a great song, once in awhile. Example: American Band is oen of my favorite pure rock songs of all time.

That was a good album overall. Didn't Todd Rundgren produce it? But I liked a lot of the old crappy stuff they did too.

Mean Mistreater. Paranoid. Mostly I can't remember anymore.

[allpurechance]

That was a good album overall. Didn't Todd Rundgren produce it? But I liked a lot of the old crappy stuff they did too.

Mean Mistreater. Paranoid. Mostly I can't remember anymore.

lmaoOOOOOOOOOooo Albedo....ah memories,all things mnemonic...what was I talking about,again?Ohhhh,yehh-my memory remains pretty good!-lol-Alot of the rest of me is...well,nevermind-got sidetracked-again...

I was going to type Mean Mistreater,earlier in response!Even better,now I get to second your sentiment.The Grand Funk Live version of this song,and later Mark Says Alright and even T.N.U.C. all rock!

As I said before,I'm not so much snooty as I am,er-pushy.I always wanted people to hear what I was hearing in the music.As we now all know so well,this doesn't always work out that way.

Yet,so many folks dismiss Yes with a wave of the hand as though they KNOW,and they haven't heard a tenth of it all.That vast Yes hidden catalogue,again.I always considered it my mission to make certain there was exposure to the material people might otherwise never have heard...

And the results varied,lol.I'd like to think I might have assisted in the creation of a few more Yesheads out there,though...

[jcostello]

yes isn't as good as wham. ;)

Did you mean to say, "Yes isn't as GAY as Wham"? If so, you're probably right.

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[Albedo]

lmaoOOOOOOOOOooo Albedo....ah memories,all things mnemonic...what was I talking about,again?Ohhhh,yehh-my memory remains pretty good!-lol-Alot of the rest of me is...well,nevermind-got sidetracked-again...

I was going to type Mean Mistreater,earlier in response!Even better,now I get to second your sentiment.The Grand Funk Live version of this song,and later Mark Says Alright and even T.N.U.C. all rock!

As I said before,I'm not so much snooty as I am,er-pushy.I always wanted people to hear what I was hearing in the music.As we now all know so well,this doesn't always work out that way.

Yet,so many folks dismiss Yes with a wave of the hand as though they KNOW,and they haven't heard a tenth of it all.That vast Yes hidden catalogue,again.I always considered it my mission to make certain there was exposure to the material people might otherwise never have heard...

And the results varied,lol.I'd like to think I might have assisted in the creation of a few more Yesheads out there,though...

Yeah that's it - TNUC! and they did a version of Footstompin' music. Cool. I still have some of that on vinyl but it hasn't been played for many a day.

My wife has been listening to Yes reluctantly for years and she still doesn't get it. But I still have a missionary complex for those who will listen...!

[Hector Gilbert]

I am of the opinion that "bad" music does not exist in the context of a studio recording. However if someone listens to something that I don't enjoy, I just try to put myself in their shoes and grin and bear it. I do not want to be a snob because I do not want to hurt other people's feelings. Live music is a different matter.

Often if I'm enticed to argue about why I enjoy or do not enjoy a piece of music, however, I will with some enthusiasm because it gives me a chance to develop my arguments and allow me to further develop the way I listen to music.

[Warhorse]

I'm not one those fans who like to pick apart and trash certain Yes albums or ex-members. Nor am I the kind that thinks that all Yes music is perfect. While they have been my favourite band for the past decade and opened me to the genre and while I think newer prog bands lack what Yes has, I still like many other genres of music and many other artists (Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, Tears For Fears, A-ha, Styx, Asia, Genesis, Johnny Clegg & Savuka, U2, Midnight Oil, INXS, John Wetton etc). I like music that is well crafted. Where I feel the artist has put work into it. I like prog because it isn't restricted by pop song conventions, but I don't go for weird for weird sake, or long for long sake. A song should only run long because it has something to say and not because it was pre-determined it was going to be long.

[ronsalehnasir]

I think that those of us who get stereotyped as snooty Yes fans are actually struggling with a fear that our music will one day, in the foreseeable future, die. Yes is not like classical or opera where snooty fans are more or less assured of a future because there has been such a long past tradition. Yes started a new tradition. If we believe in Yes' superiority, then perhaps we can contribute to their longevity and assure that individual members will be replaced and the band will go on past the lives of each of it's members.

[neilius]

I hope so too Ron.

[SonicDeath10]

I like music that is well crafted. Where I feel the artist has put work into it. I like prog because it isn't restricted by pop song conventions, but I don't go for weird for weird sake, or long for long sake. A song should only run long because it has something to say and not because it was pre-determined it was going to be long.
exactly. bands that just jam are crappy because the song isn't well crafted; it's just jammed. unless they take parts from jams and add them to songs, that's different. I love Crosby Stills and Nash (young) because they make such immaculate songs (especially Stills and Nash). They aren't prog by any stretch, but man they could write amazing songs.

[jcostello]

(raising a snifter to my face)....NO NO NO!! This was to be the '66 barrel not the '67!!

Andre!, More caviar...

Eh hem, snooty? Me No way..excuse me for a moment..

(answers cell phone).."No mummy I simply canno make it to the Hamptons this weekend. Bunny and I have an appointment with the interior decorator for our Chalet in Switzerland..

Sorry, As I was sayin, I am NOT a snooty Yesfan...

Maybe we should start a new thread question: "Are you a Scooty Yesfan?" What it means to be a Scooty Yesfan, only Scooty knows for sure.

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[jcostello]

I think that those of us who get stereotyped as snooty Yes fans are actually struggling with a fear that our music will one day, in the foreseeable future, die. Yes is not like classical or opera where snooty fans are more or less assured of a future because there has been such a long past tradition. Yes started a new tradition. If we believe in Yes' superiority, then perhaps we can contribute to their longevity and assure that individual members will be replaced and the band will go on past the lives of each of it's members.

You aren't suggesting cloning them, are you?

John Super Mega Questioning Yesfan

[ronsalehnasir]

You aren't suggesting cloning them, are you?

John Super Mega Questioning Yesfan

Not in George Bush's America!! Actually, I can sing. When Jon is ready to retire, I'd like an audition.

[Ktrek]

To be honest I suppose I am slightly snooty when it comes to YES. I have been listening to music for close to 40 years. I have literally heard it all (as far as styles) and YES stands head and shoulders above most bands. I was thinking today about all the solo or related YES stuff there has been and I can not think of one single effort that can even begin to compare to even the worst YES album out there. The new White album, to put it plainly, sucks from what I have heard of it. Jon's latest is a joke. I love Steve Howe but I can't stand his vocals. He should stick to acoustic albums. Wakey is fabulous but most of his recent stuff isn't better than Yanni (we call him Yawn-ee). Squire just hasn't put out enough to judge.

As far as other bands I have not heard any bands besides Flower Kings, Transatlantic, Spocks Beard and Glass Hammer that can even begin to compare. I can think of several bands in the 70's that were awesome but music has really taken a dive.

Kevin

[ronsalehnasir]

I regard Yes as simply the best band in history. But they can't get accepted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Are they being snubbed or what?

[Albedo]

I regard Yes as simply the best band in history. But they can't get accepted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Are they being snubbed or what?
I live about 25 miles from the Rock Hall and I went once. I'm not going again until Yes gets in. But to be honest, I have never understood the point of voting in the rockers anyway. It's such a matter of personal taste in music and such a diverse field.

And some bands that professed such rebellion in their youth shouldn't want to get voted in should they??? And they don't want to come to Cleveland for the ceremony anyway.

And other bands that are just excellent musicians and come to the Cleveland area every tour don't get in. Go figure.

[ronsalehnasir]

It must be that there is an establishment running the Rock Hall that feel that Yes screwed up Rock music by being too complex. I know people like this. They think that Rock and Roll SHOULD be simple. These people can't tolerate boundary crosses like Yes who do not fit into any of the conventional categories.

[Will]

Yes
No
Yes
No
Yes!

[Whitefish]

No indeed. I appreciate all kinds of music.

[Earl Grey]

I'm eclectic as hell, but I'm picky as all hell too.

YES happens to be one of the most innovative musical entities of all time. I love The Beatles, I enjoy the hell out of Todd Rundgren, Joni Mitchell... Bluegrass, jazz, classical, you name it... But I am snooty about YES. They are simply the best, there was a time when it was cool to dislike YES... Sid Vicious and his brainless gelded tribe of wankers.
I remember those days, one had to grow thick skin to deal with that tripe. I became snooty about YES back then, and I guess I still am!

YES is the best, and thar ya go!

EG:yesbird:

[neilius]

Here Here Earl!!

[Earl Grey]

Thank you Neilius! Hey, fun in chat yesterday! And Scotty appears, and you never know WHO is reading over her shoulder while she's posting...

I can attest to this: Chris Squire IS a snooty Yesfan, as he blotty well should be!

I love this place!

uRlIe:yesbird:

[SonicDeath10]

:rightG: I defend Yes to friends but I'm not "scooty" about it.!

[Yes2Yes]

I'd answer that but right now I'm waiting for the butler to spread Grey Poupon on my hot dog!

[yesfankris]

I feel like one even though I can reach etheral heights listening to Eddie Van H playing 'Me Wise Magic', or Wishbone Ash doing 'Time Was', or Joe Satriani's 'Flying In A Blue Dream'. Some times I just have to hear 'Thick As A Brick' all the way through. Depends on my mood I guess. I've always been proud of being the huge YES fan though. But snooty.... I don't know.

[ronsalehnasir]

There is nothing like Ritual to make me feel so superior. It shows that there are at least some of us in the Western world capable of reaching to the core of existence, attaining divine knowledge of the archetypes, and emerging whole with harmonious patterns to live by. We will survive even the ice age, and we will live and love.

[jcostello]

Thank you Neilius! Hey, fun in chat yesterday! And Scotty appears, and you never know WHO is reading over her shoulder while she's posting...

I can attest to this: Chris Squire IS a snooty Yesfan, as he blotty well should be!

I love this place!

uRlIe:yesbird:

You still haven't sent me a copy of your CD, Earl, and you promised!

John Super Mega Crazed for Greyness Yesfan

[tormatotork]

How dare you be in to the same band as me you useless bunch of scumsuckers

[jcostello]

How dare you be in to the same band as me you useless bunch of scumsuckers

Don't hold back, how do you really feel?

By the way, we are a fully functional and useful bunch of Yesfan scumsuckers, and very smug about this fact.

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[tormatotork]

Don't hold back, how do you really feel?

By the way, we are a fully functional and useful bunch of Yesfan scumsuckers, and very smug about this fact.

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan
Double scumsucker! What is the meanining of this nonsensical outrage? :1loudspkr

[jcostello]

Double scumsucker! What is the meanining of this nonsensical outrage? :1loudspkr

Double scumsucker? Is that some sort of British board game?

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[wlsmerlin]

hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm......yeah, at times I can be rather snooty. However, I do appreciate other groups as well. Most notebly, Dream Theater, Tangerine dream, The Strawbs, Rush, Jethro Tull, Genesis, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Delerium, Ted Nugent and Blue Man Group. WOW, I guess I am snooty after all.

[ronsalehnasir]

We are proud of Yes because they perform so well and they took us on an extended magical mystery tour. I think there is really no need to be snooty about this. We are secure enough now to just be ourselves.

[Albino Camel]

Well, they are the greatest band.... ever! :bncy:

[new_sum_do_solve_ay]

I criticise music thats not music. If you can tell that a band is just a group of guys with no talent who are trying like mad to try to make noise to support their party lifestyle then I criticize. If there's no music there's a problem. If its just an album of pals who wanted something to do together its a problem. I don't argue about prog rock or any style, but if there's no real attention to their craft or ability I will put them down.

[Sheerah]

If you can tell that a band is just a group of guys with no talent who are trying like mad to try to make noise to support their party lifestyle then I criticize.

I would do that if I thought I could get away with it!
Private jets
World travel
Adoring male groupies
Fancy schmancy parties

Yeah, I'd do it. :D

[Close to Loch Ness]

Snooty - You bet. :cool2:

I wouldn't critisise over other yesmembers, but who can honestly say they didn't suffer apoplexy the moment the news broke that Buggles had joined Yes. :insane:

[yeswab]

I thought it was absolutely fascinating. The minute I heard about the shakeup, I was thinking in "Perpetual Change" terms. Yes is not Jon, Chris, Steve or Rick. It's whoever-hasn't-quit at any given moment. That may sound sarcastic, but I mean it completely logically. Jon and Rick quit of their own volition in 79 or 80. Nobody could cite any decent logic saying Yes could not continue without them. (In the same way, Roger Waters could not successfully argue that Pink Floyd had to end when he quit.)

I sure don't know if Horn/Downes/Howe/Squire & White could have produced decent albums following Drama, but that album absolutely stands up, for sheer freshness and guts (well, the parts that required guts like "Machine Messiah" and "Does It Really Happen?").

[jcostello]

We are proud of Yes because they perform so well and they took us on an extended magical mystery tour. I think there is really no need to be snooty about this. We are secure enough now to just be ourselves.

And we are apparently better Double Scumsucker players than anyone else on the planet, so there!

John Super Mega Crazed Double Scumsucker Champion Yesfan

[Awaken1976]

I couldn't rightly vote. Yes is my favorite Rock band of all time but, that doesn't necessarily make them the best. And I do enjoy tons of other music. I don't like the labeling thing though....like "headbanger" "jazzcat", "rocker" etc. etc. I'm all of the above....(or none maybe? lol). Long as the music is good....I'm all for it.

[jcostello]

I couldn't rightly vote. Yes is my favorite Rock band of all time but, that doesn't necessarily make them the best. And I do enjoy tons of other music. I don't like the labeling thing though....like "headbanger" "jazzcat", "rocker" etc. etc. I'm all of the above....(or none maybe? lol). Long as the music is good....I'm all for it.

Oh come on, they're the best and we all know it. What's with the false modesty? There isn't anybody better. I don't find labels that annoying, as long as someone doesn't stick them on me. They can be difficult to get off.

John Super Mega Crazed Yes(isthebest)fan

[Proghobbit]

No (I like many different genres), but, I feel kind of sad that Yes seems to be underrated. Lately, even the classic rock stations don't seem to play enough Yes.( or maybe it's always been that way). IMHO, these guys are geniuses. For me, their music is my ear candy.

Take Anderson's lyrics for example. It's so easy to listen to his lyrics and fall into a sleepy, dream-like state. Howe's guitar playing is amazing (take "The Clap" for instance). I like Squire's bass in "Heart of the Sunrise" and "Roundabout".

Note: I may comment on the rest of the players at another time. Right now, this is all I have to say.

[Anorak]

I wonder if this question should have been "Are You a Snooty Music Fan?" Perhaps some answers would be different.

I base my musical philosophy from Shakespeare - "If Music be the Food of Love, Play On."

[Roan's Lady]

Snooty - You bet. :cool2:

I wouldn't critisise over other yesmembers, but who can honestly say they didn't suffer apoplexy the moment the news broke that Buggles had joined Yes. :insane:

I threw myself to the ground in despair, in a fit of uncontrollable sobbing. What a dark day THAT was.
I don't think I ever got over that. It was a turning point. I'm still mad at 'em for pulling that. Oddly enough, Drama turned out quite, quite well.

I don't consider people who dislike Yes to be inferior - just clueless! It is our sacred duty to show them the path to enlightenment. ;)

[SadPreacher]

the only thing i argue about is how i dislike Rabin...other than that...take a look at my heavy metal, punk, and hard rock music collection and you'll know i am not a snooty Yes fan....

[Hed G.]

I don't consider people who dislike Yes to be inferior - just clueless! It is our sacred duty to show them the path to enlightenment. ;)

AMEN to that, sister RL.

[ronsalehnasir]

Yes is a self-regulating, self-maintaining and self-constructing cult. We don't need to go too far out of our way to recruit new followers. Let them find us. It's better that way.

[jcostello]

Yes is a self-regulating, self-maintaining and self-constructing cult. We don't need to go too far out of our way to recruit new followers. Let them find us. It's better that way.

I have to take exception to the "self-constructing" part of that. I'm not that handy with tools.

John Super Mega Crazed But Not Tooltime Guy Yesfan