Could there ever be a YesWoman?

[Q]

One parting gift for the Group Mind.

Could Yes ever induct a woman?

I ask this because I know a lot of female musicians, and am involved in a large production at the moment where the women outnumber the men. Yes has always had a revolving door, and I think - gender politics aside - it's interesting to contemplate whether there is any reason why a woman in Yes wouldn't work.

What does everyone think?

[ANTIOCH]

I could see YES choosing a woman if the choice was based on talent, and not for generating popularity.
There are so many talented women in music these days, but it would seem that YES is more a 'boy's club' and I too hope Mr. Wakeman sticks around for a good while.

[ANTIOCH]

No, no Genevive,

I didn't articulate my meaning very well, but I totally agree with your viewpoint !
Other than 'Renaissance', I can't think of a Prog/Rock band that uses a woman in their line-up; can you ?

[Q]

ironically, the Yes tribute band in the US Midwest - their name escapes me - has a female lead singer

[Trevor Walker]

Howsabout - therifferoo !!

[RobAdams]

I don't think gender is at all an issue here. If they needed a new member and their best choice was female, I think it could happen.

[therifferoo]

Bless you, Trevor Walker!!! If Rick ever abdicates his keyboard throne, (which I hope he doesn't), the Riffer would be more than happy to audition!!

Now, what I am about to write here is not intended as a jab at anyone....AHKIN and GENEVIEVE, I am fond of you both, and do not mean any offense here towards either of you. And I understand what you mean by "having a woman in the band just for the sake of it" n all, but please understand that what I am about to say comes from years of hearing comments like "Man, I never knew a chick could wail like that" or "You play really good for a girl." The likes of which, I'm sure, are intended as compliments, but come with a double edge.

The phrase "based on her talent" gets on my last nerve. I mean, what the hell else would ANY musician be chosen for? I would think that Yes (or any other respectful band) would choose its members based on their talent and ability to execute their given gifts. Why would the criteria for a woman be any different than for a man? I mean, why else would a woman be chosen? Hmmmmm???? Please don't think I am flaming here, but understand that the unfortunate general perception of women in music has bit me in the butt my entire career. (After all, us gals are just supposed to be singers, right?) Because us female instrumentalists have chosen to try to excel in a male-dominated field, we are most often held to more critical analysis and made to "prove" our worthiness moreso than men. And, on the flip side, once we DO prove our worthiness, are often shown easier affectations than men. How nice it would be to overhear, just once, someone say of me, "Man, did you hear their keyboardist?" as opposed to "Did you check out that chick playing keyboards? (surprised tone of voice) She was really good!" I think you guys see what I mean. It's sort of equivalent to how it irks me when someone says "He was a very nice black man" as opposed to "He was a very nice man."

Sorry to rant here, I mean no disrespect to anyone....Ahkin and Genevieve, I hope you both can understand. I love you both, and mean no flame towards either of you. I'm sure you had no ill intents in saying the "based on her talent" phrase...and I have no hard feelings for you as a result of your having expressed it...just felt I needed to raise an important issue of awareness here to us all.

As far as answering Quantum's query:
May the best man, er, woman, er, KEYBOARDIST win!!!! LOL!!

Peace all,
~Riffer.

p.s. I had typed a much more eloquent and in depth post here, but when I tried to submit it, it flew out into the cyberspace black hole of Calcutta...sigh. However, I think this pale-by-comparison offering will suffice.

[therifferoo]

Aw, Gen, I knew whatcha meant from the beginning....you are always so sweet, and your posts are always well-thought out.
And, I'm sure you can tell that this is a subject of great sensitivity for me! LOL! I by no means meant to say that you or anyone else here were party to thinking in a way we both agree is unfair towards women in music. I did feel, however, that it was a good opportunity to bring up the issue, and I just wanted to make sure that in choosing to address the issue, I didn't leave any hurt feelings or misunderstandings in the process. Love ya, kiddo!!

~Riffer.

[mrgone3]

There should be no problem with having a female musician on stage with YES. But the person should be chosen who fits in well with the type of music being played. YES has had quite a few band members in the past ten years or so. The incoming musician should not only know their stuff,but be intimately involved with the creative process. the should have a great affection for the past music and put effort into each live appearance. Man,the last time I saw Igor he was just running through songs carelessly. Chris was steamed. You could see it. The harmony has to be there. Egos are very FRAGILE in musical groups. But if the right person is chosen it could be a success!>JOE

[illusion]

There should be no gender boundaries in music. Unfortunately, there are. How many bands (note "bands") have women in them who are not the singer? The only one I can think of right now are The Corrs, and even they are a family band (Great band, their first album rocks. Ignore anything you have heard on the radio. Their first album has six great instrumentals on. I suppose getting a Yesfan to listen to The Corrs is like getting someone to listen to Tales when all they have heard is Owner). There may be more women in rock music, but not in the near future.

I don't think it matters if we have a female Yes member. A musician is a musican, regardless of gender.

Riffer - great post. Oh, and to prevent losing posts copy them before you post if it's long - then you can re-paste it.
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I tried to PM this to you but your inbox was full:
When you have made a long post that you are proud of and want everyone too see, but you think you might lose it, highlight the text, right click and press "copy". Then as long as your computer doesn't shut down you can re-paste into a new message. It annoys me so much when I lose a post, I know how you feel! It frequently asks me to re-login, and I lose my post.

Illusion.

[donner]

Originally posted by Quantum
ironically, the Yes tribute band in the US Midwest - their name escapes me - has a female lead singer

Quantum, I believe the band to which you refer is called, Envision. I've never seen them (or heard them) but I used to be on their mailing list. They've gotten good reviews, and the singer apparently sounds like Jon.

[markjyes]

Renaissance

Need any more be said?

They are awesome.

[hypatiamarshall]

Dawn has made a very, very valid point. She reminds me of my daughter, Ursa. (smile!!!!) Once, I was talking to Ursa, and I mentioned a black student at school. Ursa was not happy, because I had to mention the person was black. To her, that did not make any difference. I saw her point, too. I was just making a visual observation, because I tend to focus on visual descriptions, being a very visual person. I would think Yes would select musicians based on talent, not sex. I would like to think that. I would think musicians of there caliber would be very, very rare, indeed.

Jan in Erie CO

[jcostello]

You know, the women from Esquire. Annie Haslam from Renaissance could do some cool co-lead vocals with Jon, too.

Peace, Love, But Please, Don't Let Janie Do Narration Again; I Found It REALLY Annoying on "Earthmotherearth,"

John C.

[S.praematurus]

Not that my talent is anywhere *near* theirs. Hell, I just sing with my Yes albums and in my church choir! But I am an exceptionally low female voice, and normally sing tenor. Would they be needing a flute player any time soon?

Hey, John C. isn't Nikki Chris' ex-wife? That could make for some pretty interesting interactional dynamics! I would think they'd be mature enough to handle it.

If not, there's always me!!!

[Jackaranda]

Forget the gender argument. Get the best talent.

[hypatiamarshall]

Absolutely, Jack.

Jan in Erie CO

[jcostello]

Originally posted by S.praematurus
Not that my talent is anywhere *near* theirs. Hell, I just sing with my Yes albums and in my church choir! But I am an exceptionally low female voice, and normally sing tenor. Would they be needing a flute player any time soon?

Hey, John C. isn't Nikki Chris' ex-wife? That could make for some pretty interesting interactional dynamics! I would think they'd be mature enough to handle it.

If not, there's always me!!!

Good question, I don't know if Chris and Nikki had divorced when they worked together on the Esquire albums (maybe Squireholic or someone else can answer that one).

I read earlier today that Steve Howe loves flutes and flautists, so maybe you should hook up with him for one of his solo albums, if not a Yes album.

Peace, Love, and Flaunt Your Flautist Flute,

John Crazed Yesfan

[JohnPaul]

so the live performance issue is a mute point.

As for recording/touring - Ellie Gutman - deaf percussionist!
She's incredible!

[jcostello]

Sarah Brightman, Kate Bush, Enya, Bjork (I'd really like to hear what that would sound like), Sarah MacLachlan, and Toyah (a.k.a. Mrs. Robert Fripp; maybe she could do a duet with Jon on King Crimson's "Prince Rupert Awakes"!

Peace, Love, and I Wouldn't Mind Seeing Natalie McMaster (Cape Breton fiddler) Join Yes Onstage, Either,

John Crazed Yesfan

[S.praematurus]

"Peace, Love, and Flaunt Your Flautist Flute,"
I just love alliteration!!!

I have a phriend Philip phrom Phlorida, and a cousin Kyle from Colorado and her colorful companion, Bob.

Any ideas on how and when I could hook up with Steve Howe?!?!

And doesn't Natalie McMaster's father play too, or am I thinking of another fiddler?

[jcostello]

I forget the address, but you can link to it from either Notes from the Edge or Yesworld.

I don't know about Natalie's father. I've talked to her briefly a couple of times, and would have asked if I'd known.

Peace, Love, and Oh, Well, Maybe She'll Come Back to the Twin Cities Again Sometime in the Next Year,

John Crazed Yesfan

[Dale Cleary]

If you can play, play.

The female percussionist with Miles Davis blew me away!!!!

Terry Lynne Carrington is one of my favourite drummers.


I'd like to see Riffer in a silver cape. Ooh yeah baby!!

he he he he

[Faceintheplace]

Don't get me wrong, I love the Drama album just the way it is, but I was thinking while listening to a Kate Bush cd tonight, that she would have been interesting to have brought in after Jon and Rick split in '79. She sings and plays keyboards, it would have been very interesting. I don't really know what she thinks of Yes, but I know she's worked with Peter Gabriel a few times, was/ is a big Pink Floyd fan, and also likes Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart. She probably would have done fine at the time if Yes would have her in. I wonder how she'd do on stuff like "Heart of the Sunrise" or what treatment Yes would have given "Night of the Swallow" or "The Wedding List."

It would be cool if she collaberated with them in the future.

[Cerberus]

HAD to vote on "Gender boundaries are insignificant where something as universal as YesMusic is concerned"

One SWEET voice (sounds a little like J. Jopplin)
Susan Tedeschi...

She would fit in well me thinks! Hell, she kicked ass on The Other Ones tour this fall!

[Faceintheplace]

I saw her live (Susan...) a few years ago when she came to the Ottawa Bluesfest. She has a very powerful voice. I don't think Yes when I hear her voice but I do enjoy her. While I was at the festival, I also took in a very good singer from Sweden, Theresa Anderson. She sings and plays piano and electric violin. I downloaded one of her songs from Mp3.com, and it was totally unlike her performance. The song had a very prominent Tuba part. She seems very creative.

I think Yes should let members in on the basis of talent, not sex, but its not up to me to decide what the guys should do. I hope the present line-up sticks together for a while. I can't wait to hear the new music the guys come up with. Rick's described it as "Very different."

[Thoughtbecontact]

I don't think Yes every meant to be an exclusively "guys only" band, especially where Jon is concerned. If it came to the point to replace a member, for whatever reason. it would be "may the best talent win."

But in assessing the makeup of the band, look at the time they formed. What were women doing in music at that time, primarily pop. One didn't see any serious female musicians until the 70s when Joni Mitchell came along, then later the Wilson sisters in Heart and Suzi Quatro. Now it's somewhat different, but I think the more talented women are indie artists, or those who have broken through to the alternative mainstream, such as Tori Amos, who still have a somewhat limited appeal.

[YYY]

Finally my input. Here it is short and sweet. I wouldn't mind if there were an ALL GIRL YES. I would love to see 5 beautiful women playing incredible progressive music. Why not?

[Earl Grey]

I immediately thought of Riff! She could do it!

Earl:yesbird:

[Dances w/PURPLE]

Q Count on you for a mind tickler. Her voice must be unique. Not pop, not top 40, one single voice unparalleled

[upbgirl]

i believe there are quite a few prog bands with chicks..i seem to be hearing about 'mostly autumn' alot these days. [flutes, as well, for us flautists] steve said in his newest interview that he loves flute sonatas, and i am ordering some now. [thanx for suggestions on the other thread, btw!]
and riff, i HEAR you loud and clear on that whole 'politically correct' speaking thingy..it was a very good point for you to bring up. i find, most of the time, that people dont even realize they said something as stupid and shallow as 'did you SEE that chick? and she could PLAY, too!' i can only imagine all the crap you have heard.. good for you to be so polite and explain it in a nice way.. i think people will think before they say anything like that again.. ya cant blame them if they dont know.. [and you didnt blame them, but i bet now they know-no harm-no foul]
funny to see this thread right now..i am always listening to headphones at the market where i work. [keeps me out of the gossip-fest] and some people ask me what i am listening to. usually it is rock, more often then not..they think i am the rock queen of our small town. some of them even call me 'freedom rock' after those compilation albums from the 70's. they think i am a stoner groupie-a la the banger sisters..imagine their surprise to see ME playing my flute with the high school band in a tie and cumberbund - all 'classed up'!! what a culture shock for some of them!! it was funny to hear them all say, "damn! we thought all YOU could play was he radio!"..
i say no one can replace jon, but there are a couple of tribute bands.. fragile in the u.k., as well as one in IL [forgot their name-sorry] and one here in MI.. to my knowledge, they ALL have females for 'frontperson'..

[RobAdams]

I saw Suzy Quatro on Happy Days yesterday! She was Leather Tuscadero, and she sang a horrible song called "DO THE FONZIE".
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Don't forget all the temporarily Yes women who played with them on the Symphonic tour!

I'd like to see REGINA CARTER play electric violin with Yes sometime! Regina is awesome!

[Thoughtbecontact]

Upbgirl,

I can just imagine what your small town thinks of you listening to music in your headphones. My dad came from a small town in north central Wisconsin, so I know how that works.

But here I am in suburban Chicago, and for the most part, our neighbors think we are weird because of the music we play. But then again, everyone around here is ultra conservative musically, and their taste usually tend toward LAME.

[R'tanys]

There are plenty of extremely talented womusicians on the scene these days. One, Bonnie Raitt comes to mind. As well as the Dixie Chicks. (Those girls have definitely got the chops) I could spend the day listing women whose music I enjoy. But I won't. Suffice it to say that I think music is the most honest and effective tool of universal communication we have and as a result it cannot discriminate for any reason, it's the people that mess it up. To paraphrase Rick: "It shows that music can triumph over people occcasionally, which is quite nice."
Women in Yes? Sure, but as has been said before, let's keep this lineup.

[yes_angel]

There is a Yes Tribute band with a female lead singer,I believe they are in PA.

[Kevin Still]

I hope the line up stays the same for a long time.

BUT AS A CONCEPT??? It is not and should not be beyond the realm of possibility.

[Sheerah]

I am so tickled by the current lineup, that I would really hate to see it change anytime soon. However, I think that the right women could add a really unique dimension to many of their songs. I know that when I am in the shower, I bring a Yes song to a whole new level (many levels lower).

Mostly, in my mind's eye, I don't see a woman competing with, or ever replacing Jon or Chris. But, any accomplished musician that could enhance the band, perhaps a violinist or flautist in addition to the current lineup. Or maybe a Sheila E as an additional percussionist, or if Rick leaves again, Riff on keyboards!

[Earl Grey]

I don't want to change the current line-up either! hell no! I waited a long time for this! :D

But it IS fun to think about having a bit of estrogen in the mix...

It would be cool to see YES hired-out by, say, Sarah McLachlan, for a one-off project.
I would have to say Sarah is still my favorite idea for this, as I'm madly in lust with her as well... Oh my.

Should I have said that? Haha!
Always had a thing for her.

;)

[jcostello]

Originally posted by YYY
Finally my input. Here it is short and sweet. I wouldn't mind if there were an ALL GIRL YES. I would love to see 5 beautiful women playing incredible progressive music. Why not?

Wouldn't that put Jon, Steve, Rick, Chris and Alan out of their jobs? Or are you suggesting that they get sex-change operations? I don't think that's going to happen.

John Crazed Yesfan

[tardistraveler]

I think Yes members should be chosen on the basis of talent, regardless of gender. In the theoretically perfect world, that is. And that was my vote.

However, when you start throwing women into the mix (or men, I guess, if an all woman band), it does have the potential to change group dynamics. As fraught with personnel problems as Yes has been through the years, at least they haven't dealt with the issues that have plagued bands such as Fleetwood Mac, or the Mamas and the Papas.

As soon as romance rears its head within a band - watch out. It's a breakup waiting to happen.

[Earl Grey]

I've often thought about this: What if YES farmed themselves out as a back-up band, al la The Band? Who could they back? What would work?

Then we could have YES and something new as well...

I'm not too serious here: I want YES to work on a new album, tour again... etc. But it's a fun idea!

:yesbird:

[ranyart]

The first person I thought of was Annie Haslam and upon further reading I noticed a few other people were thinking along the same lines. I have always loved her vocals w/ Rennaisance.

I've always loved the other Annie too, Lennox, that is it would be interesting to see what she could bring to the table.

There's alot of possibilities here, it's definately something to think about.

[ycantibu]

I can't really think of any female singers who would do Yes justice. Some of the names mentioned, like Kate Bush, are brilliant artists, but I think they would sound weird in Yes. But who knows? Maybe a few listens and I would change my mind.

[Robert Shupe]

Short Answer:

I do not see any reason why the answer should be anything but a resounding Yes.

Longer Ponderings:
This thread / poll has caused some interesting ponderings. It makes me think of where we have been, where we are , and where we are going in regards to this issues. It is also an introspective kind of poll. In other words I have to look at my own behaviors, thoughts, and feelings in regards to this issue.
To what degree have I changed sexist (or racist) thoughts and / or words is a questions I bel;eive I need to continue to ask myself. "That female keys player" is a valid complaint as it should be "How about that keyboard player."

I question myself because I can not name the wonderful bass player of the Talking Heads who was female.

Boston has added a new member on their latest album Corporate America. Her name is Kimberly Dahme and she writes, does lead vocals, backup vocals, and acoustic guitar. I do not know if see is touring with Boston. On the flip side, I was disappointed to hear that Christie McVie is not a current member of Fleetwood Mac. To me, I saw the Rumor lineup during the Dance tour and I would think that I would just miss her greatly in the same way I would miss Don Felder with The Eagles. (Get your application in Riff. Fleetwood Riff, I can see it now. Sorry if you do not like the Mac, Riff)

I do understand the relationship fear in mixed gender bands. On the one side you have got Fleetwood Mac, Mama's and The Papa's, and Heart in their early days. On the other hand, you have Pat Benetar who was warned by many to not marry her guitarist. She did and they are still together to this day.

I do think the female musicians are judged more by their looks. I saw Heart on the Bad Aniumals tour and all the radio would talk about was Ann's weight (sadly I may have too). I mean come on she rocked. Carnie Wilson of Wilson Phillips received the same criticism. Maybe we should stop listening to BB King for the same reason.

Viginia Slims - We've Come A Long Way Baby (Maybe maybe not).

Those pesky pronouns have caused more havoc than they are worth.

Cheers
Robert Shupe

[yesgirl93]

Nothing against women but I love YES as an all male band, I would get jealous if they added a woman. Maybe Maybe someone like Jane Anderson wouldn't bother me.

[tardistraveler]

Hi, Robert - thanks for your thoughts on sexism. Sadly, I do think it still exists - but over time, I hope it will diminish.

[yes_angel]

Ughhhhhh!! I don't dig the new Boston album at all and the new singer on it.A big dissapointment!!I always liked Boston and they are a mighty fine band in concert but this time I will skip the tour.

[jcostello]

... I've never liked Boston, and the new stuff does nothing to change my mind.

Peace, Love and It's Never Been Such a Long Time Between Boston's Songs Being Overplayed on Twin Cities Radio,

John Crazed Yesfan

[Dances w/PURPLE]

Hey, Riff has the spirit for it and the kindred heart. If only they knew.

[SallyKhatru]

I would not like a woman to replace Jon . I think a woman would not fit in the Yesband. But I think there are a lot of women loving progrock and why should they not make prog music, too?
We are not worse or better than all the men. I think our time will come, too.
There´s no reason why women and men should not co-exist.
That would be wonderful.

[Dantalion Rides Again]

Originally posted by SallyKhatru
There´s no reason why women and men should not co-exist.
That would be wonderful.

Not to be a complete wise @$$ here, but they currently do. ;)

So I guess it's wonderful.

By the way, I agree with you that although Yes music calls for a little guy with a high voice rather than a woman's voice ~ doesn't fit the persoanality of the music or something ~ women proggers should definately create music anyway. Wherever the 'women proggers' are. It'd be a shame anyway if they didn't make music just because they only all wanted to replace Jon Anderson.
:confused:

[ycantibu]

I gotta agree with ya. Just because Jon has a high voice doesn't mean a woman should replace him. IMO, he doesn't sound like a woman. I can still tell it's a bloke singing.


Originally posted by Dantalion Rides Again
Not to be a complete wise @$$ here, but they currently do. ;)

So I guess it's wonderful.

By the way, I agree with you that although Yes music calls for a little guy with a high voice rather than a woman's voice ~ doesn't fit the persoanality of the music or something ~ women proggers should definately create music anyway. Wherever the 'women proggers' are. It'd be a shame anyway if they didn't make music just because they only all wanted to replace Jon Anderson.
:confused:

[eri-chan]

I didn't vote because I'm not sure how I feel about this.....I definitely think a female could work with the band as well as any male, but I don't really think they'd ever choose one, since in all their various incarnations its always been men. So in theory, I'd say yes, but in reality, I think I'd say probably no. Anyway, thats what cover/tribute bands are for :-D

[ELLIS]

How about the lead singer from Envision, Jennifer Battern on guitars, Enya on keys/vocals, Gail Dorsey on bass (Bowie's bassist), Caroline Corr on drums! I can see them in my mind's eye playing HOTS, OOALH, AYAI, BG,YIND. Shows what dreams I have!

[headrott]

How about the lead singer from Envision, Jennifer Battern on guitars, Enya on keys/vocals, Gail Dorsey on bass (Bowie's bassist), Caroline Corr on drums! I can see them in my mind's eye playing HOTS, OOALH, AYAI, BG,YIND. Shows what dreams I have!

Enya would be very interesting on vocals! But, it would be very interesting to hear her sing Gates! I don't know that she could get the harshness accross well. The "soon" portion would be great to hear though!

Greg

[ELLIS]

If the lead singer from Envision couldn't join the line-up I mentioned earlier, then grab hold of Christina of Magenta! (metaphorically speaking!).

[Earl Grey]

Hell yeah, there could be a Yeswoman!

It's about time us 'guys' got to 'groupie' someone in the band... A newly divorced Sarah McLauchlin would be preferable...

Hehe :ele:

[ELLIS]

Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dakini]

dream on guys! hehehehee

[ELLIS]

Hi Dakini. I know, we're a sad bunch aren't we?

[Simon B]

Having seen Peter Gabriel embrace muicians of all 'types' I can't see a problem. A musician is a musician, don't make no never mind sexual orientation, colour, race, creed, nationality - you get my drift - if their stuff is good, I'll listen, I'll buy!

Love the thread Q partic the Heart / Fmac refrence, made me laugh!

TM

[ES-335]

It sure would be enchanting to see Sarah Brightman sing a few with the band. She is mesmerizing!

[BlueEagle]

It's sad this genre doesnt attract female performers-I could see a female prog band.
As to YES, Alison Moyet of YAZ (now THERE'S a cosmic coincidence) comes to mind. She would be a great counterpoint to Jon. She's a terrific singer, IMO. The only other one I can see with YES is ENYA. That would be a Kodak moment.

[JudysTrevor]

I think a woman could replace any member of the band. It is possible. It can happen!! There are a ton of great female musicians out there.

Judy
:guitar:

[Awakened]

There are some great female vocalists on this side of the pond singing with some very good up and coming prog bands:

Heather Findlay-----------------Mostly Autumn
Rachel Jones--------------------Karnataka
Christina Maria Booth------------Magenta

So yeah, why not?

[TNyesfan]

I voted definitely "YES". I think any position in Yes could be filled by a woman. I believe Yes's philosophy as a creative group, as I understand it, is especially given to acceptance. I think a woman as a member of Yes would be extremely powerful. I feel it would might just catapult Yes to new creative heights.

I'm wondering, however, which of the current band members would most readily accept a woman in Yes's inner circle?

Who would be most accepting of a female bandmate?

Who would be least accepting?

[Stever]

Only one I could think of would be Annie Haslam, and only if Jon stayed too for vocal interplay. Co lead vocalists.

Oh....and Patrice Rushen (sp?) would do just fine on keys if ever needed.

Peace

[About The Round]

Yes are a club strictly for extreeme good musicans only. Gender is irrelevant, since there are so many of the lot who are females. Cool to see Lenny Kravitz for instance with his female drummer in the band. She is really kicking!

[ELLIS]

If Christina from Magenta couldn't do it, then howabout the 2 ladies from Karnataka? Still have Enya, Jennifer Batten and Caroline Corr in it though.

[yescop]

I think Enya is a popular choice, but she likes taking her time doing albums (like Yes?) She puts layers upon layers of music and vocals. Annie Lennox would be a big IF, but on her last tour she did have Adam Wakeman in her band.Hmmmmm. Amy Lee from Evenescence has a great voice but maybe too rock-n-rollish..Hey maybe we can have a competition like "Yes Idols" and we could all try out and best man/female replaces Jon!!!
I guess we might be stuck with Jon for the next few decades...what a sacrifice... :badass:

[VentureRG]

Annie Haslam of course would be excellent. She is the closest thing we've got to a YesWoman. Check out her singing Turn of the Century with Steve on Tales from Yesterday. "Can you Imagine" her co-lead singing with Jon-it's unimaginable how good that would be. I'd even settle for harmony vocals. I still hold out this will happen. How about a guest appearance at the 35th Anniversary Tour stop in Philadelphia which is near where Annie lives.
Another idea is Elizabeth Fraser formerly of Cocteau Twins. I always thought her vocals would work in the Yes context. Recently, she did some vocals on the sound track for Lord of the Rings-The Two Towers.

[ELLIS]

Isn't Chris Squire's ex-wife the singer in Esquire? What if Esquire were to be a support act for Yes?

[ycantibu]

Oh dear. I used to have a cassette they released. I couldn't take her voice. It was like nails down a chalkboard. Anyhoo, I'm not so sure Melissa would be too keen on this idea. :D


Isn't Chris Squire's ex-wife the singer in Esquire? What if Esquire were to be a support act for Yes?

[ELLIS]

I've just heard "Moonlight Shadow" by Mike Oldfield and the singer on that was Maggie Reilly. GET HER!!!
If Jon called it a day, and a female singer was needed, she would do a fantastic job! IMO anyway.

[Jackaranda]

I said it before and I'll say it again: If Rick leaves, it's gotta be therifferoo!!!!! Then they'll HAVE to play Gates!

[yessongs72]

It's a bird, a plane,.....It's Yes Woman!!! No Yes woman,no trevor,just Classic Yes!!!

[Earl Grey]

Again, if Jon goes 'solo' (banish the thought) Sarah McLauchlin works for me...

And again, she 'aint hard on the eyes!

I think that was my original post on the matter, to some extent.

I also agree on the 'Rifferoo' statement!

Riff Rocks!

How we love her.

EG:yesbird:

[playeriivis]

. . . A musician is a musician, don't make no never mind sexual orientation, colour, race, creed, nationality - you get my drift - if their stuff is good, I'll listen, I'll buy!
TM

Yep!

Music is music and good is good. Unless you're talking about singers, how do you know the difference if you're just using your ears? The best musicians I know are blind.

But not hard on the eyes is nice, too! That's one reason why we like our YesMen!

[Q]

The British prog band Renaissance, featuring female vocalist Annie Haslam, is an example of successful gender-blending in prog, as pointed out above. Their work, which spans quite a few years, makes a good case for quality transcending other considerations ...

[brotherofmine]

I take as a startingpoint of Rick Wakeman that it is, "Quite possible that there is a Yes in existence long after I'm dead and buried." I also believe this is a possibility, so who could replace the beauty of Jon's voice, Trevor "Buggles" Horn most CERTAINLY could not do it, I think very few men could, but a woman would be a real possibility.

[tecladista]

I'd say Chrissie Hammond, who has worked the West End, as well as with Rick Wakeman on a few projects, does a very good Starship Trooper. That's a good start.

[tony1967]

Dee (formerly David) Palmer, ex Jethro Tull?

[umgekehrt]

If Jon ever leaves Yes again, I suggest Lana Lane replaces him.

[cinderella]

Sarah McLachlan would be my choice, but I wouldn't want to see a woman with Yes.

[Earl Grey]

Having heard CDs from our very own Sally Khatru and Nellsalot, I recommend both of them for YES!

I'm not kidding, I just listened to Nell's gorgeous cover of 'Madrigal', and it's the stuff. Starstuff. Absolutely gorgeous! I am exceedingly impressed, and I don't impress easily.
Nell: Did you play the acoustic slide on that one as well? Wow. Lovely, just lovely.

Sally recorded a perfect rendition of 'Your Move' that is the lovliest cover of the song I've ever heard... Her voice is heartbreakingly pure, I get shivers every time I hear her sing...

We have some AMAZING talent in our community! YES wouldn't have to look far to find Yeswomen of note, Yeswomen who could do the band justice.

With those two young gals on guitar and vocals, with Rifferoo on keys (RIff is SO Moraz!), you've got 3/5ths of the band right there...

Talent, heart and soul, Yesfans seems to draw those who are abundantly blessed with these things.

I love Yesfans.

Earlie:yesbird:

[Timmo]

Don't get me wrong, I love the Drama album just the way it is, but I was thinking while listening to a Kate Bush cd tonight, that she would have been interesting to have brought in after Jon and Rick split in '79. She sings and plays keyboards, it would have been very interesting. I don't really know what she thinks of Yes, but I know she's worked with Peter Gabriel a few times, was/ is a big Pink Floyd fan, and also likes Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart. She probably would have done fine at the time if Yes would have her in. I wonder how she'd do on stuff like "Heart of the Sunrise" or what treatment Yes would have given "Night of the Swallow" or "The Wedding List."

It would be cool if she collaberated with them in the future.OOOOOOHHHHH, Yes covering "Night of the Swallow" would be DELICIOUS.

I accidentally clicked on the LAST bullet, but the one I MEANT was the first.

How about great female bassists, like Tina Weymouth from "Talking Heads" and "Tom Tom Club," or d'arcy from Smashing Pumpkins?

As to mixed genders, how about Melissa Etherdige, who has an all-male band (ALL of whom are amazing, btw, epecially the new guitarist).

TIM
Venice, CA

[Earl Grey]

It is too late now.

But imagine a Joni/YES collaboration.

It sounds far-fetched, but no more so than a Joni/Charles Mingus collaboration, and that did happen.

The music would have been somewhere between Relayer and Fragile.

And the lyrics would have been transendental.

Fantasy is a good thing! IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED!

:ele:

[paulovajao]

What Can I Say Earl? Joni´s Voice And Lirycs Would Fit Like A Glove!!!!and I Like To See Stevie Nicks Too!!!(maybe I´m Mad)!!!!

[Jonah]

Jewel Kilcher. She'd be useless at singing Yes songs, but I'd buy a ticket.

[Earl Grey]

What Can I Say Earl? Joni´s Voice And Lirycs Would Fit Like A Glove!!!!and I Like To See Stevie Nicks Too!!!(maybe I´m Mad)!!!!

Stevie's smokey stage-garb would fit perfectly next to Wakey's Cape.

:ele:

[mattos]

The first person I thought of was Annie Haslam and upon further reading I noticed a few other people were thinking along the same lines. I have always loved her vocals w/ Rennaisance.

I've always loved the other Annie too, Lennox, that is it would be interesting to see what she could bring to the table.

There's alot of possibilities here, it's definately something to think about.

I heard Annie Haslam's voice singing Turn of the Century, with Steve playing guitar ....
I think Annie could be a valid Jon-substitute.... but also a duet would be great!

[Stever]

I heard Annie Haslam's voice singing Turn of the Century, with Steve playing guitar ....
I think Annie could be a valid Jon-substitute.... but also a duet would be great!

I put Annie Haslam in an earlier post, but you know who else would be cool? Amy Lee

[jimmygtr]

Stevie's smokey stage-garb would fit perfectly next to Wakey's Cape.

:ele:

Stevie singing And you And I is about as horrifiying as it gets...

[ELLIS]

I'mstill in favour of Maggie Reilly.

[Soundchaser148]

I'mstill in favour of Maggie Reilly.

The lead singer of the Irish group The Corrs. She's a good singer: talented family they are.

Mark

[ELLIS]

I think you mean Andrea Corr. Good choice; but I'd still prefer Maggie Reilly. She sang on "Moonlight Shadow" by Mike Oldfield.

If Alan White left, how about Caroline Corr on drums? She's really hot; in more ways than one!

[prem895]

What about courtney love to replace Jon. Get me a straightjacket

[Stever]

I put Annie Haslam in an earlier post, but you know who else would be cool? Amy Lee

I went to see Evanessence last night, and that settles it for. Amy could do it if it was ever needed. But, honestly, at their ages and such, there aren't going to ever be any major changes again. If a major change became necessary...especially something as big as Jon leaving, or Chris for that matter...that would be it I'm afraid. Fun thought though.

[ELLIS]

Jennifer Battern on guitar, plus the ladies I mentioned above.

[jcostello]

Jewel Kilcher. She'd be useless at singing Yes songs, but I'd buy a ticket.

No, she has a nice voice, and she can do it. Ashlee Simpson, on the other hand, would be useless trying to sing Yes songs, and is useless trying to sing anything.

John Super Mega Not an Ashlee Fan Yesfan

[ELLIS]

Would any of the ladies among us fans like to have a go?

[cinderella]

I Like To See Stevie Nicks Too!!!(maybe I´m Mad)!!!!

Yeah I think Stevie Nicks would be a great choice.

After all, Trevor did write Love Will Find Away for her.

[scootwhoman]

Personally, I believe that the only reason that there is such a thing as yesfans.com is because the music has always come first. The band has survived wholesale changes of personnel, far more than any other modern rock band that I have ever heard of, and still keeps producing excellent music.

Jon's voice has proven to be a challenge for many others to harmonize with, because his range is so high. For a brief time, the Grateful Dead had a womyn member, because none of the rest of the group could harmonize with Jerry Garcia worth a darn. If Yes decided to add a womyn to the lineup, I would have no problem with it. I am pretty ignorant of the contemporary music scene, so I have no idea who might be a candidate.

Loreena McKennitt? Chrissy Hynde? Madonna? (Just kidding!)

[Roan's Lady]

Would any of the ladies among us fans like to have a go?


Give me just a few more drum or keyboard lessons, and I'm a shoe-in! ;) Right!
A girl can dream...

[cactus jon]

Annie Haslam is the bomb !!

[cinderella]

Annie Haslam is the bomb !!

Who is she?

[cactus jon]

Who is she?

Annie Haslam is (was) the lead singer for Renaissance. She sang Turn of the Century with Steve Howe on guitar on the CD Tales from Yesterday. She also sang a benefit song with Steve which I've never heard. Voice of pure silk.

[allgoodyes]

Jon Anderson's daughters (Deborah and Jade) can sing...and they no doubt grew up listening to Yes songs.

Chantal Kreviazuk is a pop musician with classical training on the piano. She would probably have the chops to play the piano parts on the various Yes songs, but Yes would still need Rick Wakeman, Patrick Moraz, Igor Khoroshev, Tony Kaye or Tom Brislin to play the organ and synthesizer parts.

[Faceintheplace]

She also sang a benefit song with Steve which I've never heard.

I've heard this, its an amazing piece called "Lillies in the Field."

[yesmandroc]

I think that if Jon HAD to be replaced, we might think of Dido. She has that kind of soft, ethereal voice.

[bishophighguy]

Did someone say Jane Luttenburger Anderson?

You mean the perm headed cheerleader from Catholic Bishop High who lived in Montecito and who got taken to the local Taco Bell for her junior Prom? Boy was she a self-centered b$%^&.

I guess she found God though....well, at least she found someone to make sure she was kept in the manner she was accustomed.

[SonicDeath10]

Kate Bush, Bjork
both of these would be interesting, although maybe a bit too much. all three are such powerful singers it would be so intense argh!

[cinderella]

Annie Haslam is (was) the lead singer for Renaissance. She sang Turn of the Century with Steve Howe on guitar on the CD Tales from Yesterday. She also sang a benefit song with Steve which I've never heard. Voice of pure silk.

Thanks Jon. Sorry I've never heard of her.

I still say Sarah McLachlan would be a good choice. She's my fav.:D

[Paul D]

Sissel (the Norwegian singer). What a voice she has! If a woman were to be in Yes, I'd pick her for the job.

[justyes]

Why not? If she would be a good musician.

[Topographic][Sardaukar]

I wouldn't mind a woman on any instrument as long as when I put their cd in, I couldn't tell. I just mean that if they're a good musician, then sure. I've never been too fond of female vocals, though, but if I had to pick someone, it would be Annie Haslam.

[n2cbo]

If Jon ever retires or (God Forbid) lost his voice, It would be very hard to find a Counter-Tenor to replace him, where it would be much easier to find a powerful female Mezzo-Alto which would have almost the same vocal range.

Again, I hope that never happens....

[Skyward]

Personally, I firmly believe that should such an opportunity arise, Ann Wilson of Heart would work well with the ever-changing dynamics of YES. Still, my thought here is merely born out of curiosity. In essence, satisfying my own. Just once, though, just to see how it would sound.

BTW, for those who have yet to hear Annie Haslam, you owe yourself the luxury. A softer edge than Ann, but without the projection power should Chris, Steve and Alan choose to step on the accelerator! ; )

[SouthSideGuy]

I think a 35+ long blondhaired women would fit well on "Keys".
A wise business decision in my opinion.

It worked for the new Roxy Music lineup.......

[SonicDeath10]

Doesn't Jon count as a Yeswoman?

[yescop]

Doesn't Jon count as a Yeswoman?
Alright guys, the posse forms in front of my house. Whos bringing the horses? I got plenty of guns.We ride at sunup towards SonicDeath10's house. Get plenty rest tonight guys, we'll get that blasphemer tommorrow.Yippi-Kay- Ay Mother%@#*&!!!!


:badass:

[Deliriumyes]

I think a 35+ long blondhaired women would fit well on "Keys".
A wise business decision in my opinion.

It worked for the new Roxy Music lineup.......


If that's the case...I'm IN!!!

[DepthOfYourDisgrace]

Damn strait for the results.... and what kind of question is this lol YES is too good to be questioned lol

[cinderella]

I think a 35+ long blond haired women would fit well on "Keys".




Hey that's me!

Now someone come teach me to play keyboards and I'll be all set. :lmao:

[SonicDeath10]

:lmao: oh shush, I love jon like a sister!

[ELLIS]

I still vote for maggie Reilly vocals, Jennifer Battern guitars, Caroline Corr drums!

[SonicDeath10]

Put everybody in Sleater Kinney in the band, kick out everybody but jon: a new Yes style!

[Trooper Jim]

A woman? On keyboards, percussion, bass or lead guitar, acoustic guitar, mellotron or anything else, why not?

But when it comes to vocals - well, to me the definitive voice of Yes will always be Jon, and nobody, male or female, could ever be a suitable replacement.

[MrPhil]

I believe that a strong musical character as Lisa Dalbello would be possible, although I'm not sure what the result would be.

[DW Duke]

Seems to me that it is time for a YES woman.

[DW Duke]

Jon Anderson's daughters (Deborah and Jade) can sing...and they no doubt grew up listening to Yes songs.

Chantal Kreviazuk is a pop musician with classical training on the piano. She would probably have the chops to play the piano parts on the various Yes songs, but Yes would still need Rick Wakeman, Patrick Moraz, Igor Khoroshev, Tony Kaye or Tom Brislin to play the organ and synthesizer parts.

I have often been hopeful that there will someday be a next generation of YES. Who better than the sons and daughters of the original crew?

[Whitefish]

NO!

Yes has had enough personality problems in their 38 year history! Having a woman in the band would destroy it.

Look at the problems that Jefferson Starship, Fleetwood Mac and Heart had! Nothing at all against women! But that just would not work in Yes.

Solo projects, certainly.

[fovman]

Ann Wilson could sing ~yes~ lead vocals convincingly.....she and her sister are fans.

Did you know that Nancy composed and plays the "Steve Howe-like" acoustic guitar intro for "Crazy On You"

[JL]

If Jon, Chris, Steve and Alan got together with a female keyboard player, why the heck not?

[JL]

I voted Yes, but I don't entirely agree with the accompanying sentence.

Yes music is not "universal". It is tied to a very finite group of guys.

IMO, without some combination of Jon, Chris, Steve, Alan, Bill or Trevor R, you have something other than Yes.

[Roan's Lady]

NO!

Yes has had enough personality problems in their 36 year history! Having a woman in the band would destroy it.

Look at the problems that Jefferson Starship, Fleetwood Mac and Heart had! Nothing at all against women! But that just would not work in Yes.

Solo projects, certainly.

What???
What sexist remarks, friend Whitefish! Are you at all aquainted with other bands in which women "work" just fine, if not phenomenally well???

If all Yes "requires" is great chops and someone who can play with a Yes "feel", of COURSE there can be a woman in Yes. If having an "outside" person joining Yes would render them "not" Yes, it has nothing to do with the gender of said person. It's not as if Yes is a bunch of pro football hulks looking for the next testosterone-inflated palooka to join their ranks! No-brainer point to consider, Mr. Fish, and others who may doubt - male musicians have no advantage in innate ability over female ones.

Whitefish, I'll meet you in the chatroom for discussion time. Make sure your sword is in good shape - it will need to be. ;)

[fovman]

Hey, Whitefish...............RUN!..........and hide.

[Whitefish]

Hey, Whitefish...............RUN!..........and hide.

Like the song says, "I'm running"!

[Whitefish]

Just to clear up some things and to avoid any misunderstandings.

I don't usually like to quote myself, but to make it easier to follow, I will do so.

NO!

Yes has had enough personality problems in their 38 year history! Having a woman in the band would destroy it.

Look at the problems that Jefferson Starship, Fleetwood Mac and Heart had! Nothing at all against women! But that just would not work in Yes.

Solo projects, certainly.


I would like to clarify my comments, in case anyone was offended or took them the wrong way. I have already thankfully cleared this up with someone who expressed offense (if that is the right word) and was honest and kind enough to point out that my comments were not as clear as they should be. It is all good! And for anyone else, I will explain myself point by point.

NO!

Yes has had enough personality problems in their 38 year history! Having a woman in the band would destroy it.

In Yes' 38 year history we have seen and heard one of the greatest bands in history, who we here at Yesfans love and who are such a huge part of our lives. During those 38 years, we have seen lots of personnel changes; people leaving, people being asked to leave, people coming back, people kind of disappearing...for several reasons: Egos, lifestyles, the need for self-expression through outside projects and/or other bands, money, different points of view on the music, and many other reasons.

My main concern would be that if a woman were to be in Yes, there could be trouble. So often times we see in some bands the following scenarios:


1. A) Guys and gal(s) in a band. One of the guys gets "involved" with the gal in the band. Another guy in the band gets jealous or does not like this dynamic within the band. Or, guy is married, but falls in love with gal in the band. Problems start. Someone leaves (or has to leave) an otherwise excellent band due to this. Or, other guys in the band can't handle this soap opera. Band breaks up.

B) Same band. Same situation. Guy and gal break-up. Could be many reasons: Guy fooled around on her. Or, gal got involved with another guy in the band. Guy involved with her before gets angry about it and can't stand her "new" guy, and leaves the band. Feuds heat up about writing royalties, etc. Lawsuits ensue.

2. Gal (and this could also happen if this were a guy joining!) joins an established band with all guys in it and becomes the focal point and lead singer/frontwoman. Public is used to the band as it has been for many, many years. The image, character and sound of the band has changed completely. The record company is pressuring the band to continue this change as it brings in more sales and demands the band become more "MTV/VH-1" accesible; i.e. more videos, more "hits". One of the founder member guys in the band gets seriously involved with the gal. Other guys in the band do not like this new "direction" after awhile, despite the increase in popularity/"success". Because he is in love with her, he will do anything for her. Other guys leave the band one by one over time. Band is never the same.

I should also add that I would not want to see a guy join a band such as The Go-Go's, who are an all-girl band. It would not be the same.


Look at the problems that Jefferson Starship, Fleetwood Mac and Heart had!

1. Jefferson Airplane/Starship: Grace Slick as great as she was with the band, was according to VH-1 Behind The Music was at one time involved with almost every guy in the band. The band had many problems due to this.

2. Fleetwood Mac: Most of know that basic story. Stevie and Lyndsay were a very serious couple for years. Mick (who was married and great friends with Lyndsay) got involved with Stevie. Stevie broke it off with Lyndsay. He was devastated. The Rumours album was very hard to make, even though it sold great. The band declined and changed not too shortly thereafter.

3. Heart: Ann Wilson was involved with soundman Mike Fischer. Nancy Wilson was involved with his brother, lead guitarist and songwriter Roger Fischer. Nancy fell in love with drummer Michael Derosier on her own without Michael pursuing her. Roger could not handle it. Freaked out once on stage and smashed up his guitar and amp and left the stage! Was immediately kicked out of the band. Mike Fischer broke up with Ann and the Fischer brothers left the band. About 2 years later, Steve Fossen and Michael Derosier left. Heart was not so much of a band anymore and never has been since.



Nothing at all against women!.

Tons of women musicians I admire! Here are just a few:

Nikki Squire
Claire Hamill (loved her singing on "Look Over Your Shoulder" from The Steve Howe Album)
Annie Haslam
Evelyn Glennie
Katia Labeque
Marielle Labeque
Gloria Estefan
Pat Benatar
Agnetha Fältskog (Abba)
Anni-Frid Lyngstad (Abba)
Bonnie Raitt
Bette Midler
Keiko Abe
Linda Pimentel
Carole King
Carly Simon
Alanis Morrisette
Aretha Franklin
Glady Knight
Diana Ross
Dionne Warwick
Karen Carpenter (God rest her soul)
Ella Fitzgerald (God rest her soul too)
Elaine Elias
Joni Mitchell
Joan Armatrading
Ann Wilson
Nancy Wilson
Dale Bozzio
Aimee Mann
Ruth Underwood
Anita O'Day
Janis Joplin
Joan Baez
Judy Collins
Linda Ronstadt
Janis Ian
Kathie Touin
Yvonne Elliman
Anne Murray
Sheila Escovedo
Grace Slick
Stevie Nicks
Christine McVie
Kate Bush
Backing vocalists on Pink Floyd Dark Side Of The Moon:
Doris Troy (God rest her soul too)
Leslie Duncan
Clare Torry (Did "Great Gig In The Sky" vocals)
Margret Taylor (Pink Floyd Delicate Sound Of Thunder)
Rachel Fury (Pink Floyd Delicate Sound Of Thunder)
Durga McBroom (Pink Floyd Delicate Sound Of Thunder and Pulse)
Sam Brown (Pink Floyd Pulse)
Claudia Fontaine (Pink Floyd Pulse)

This has nothing to do with whether women are talented enough to join Yes or any other band!


But that just would not work in Yes.

Many Yesfans could not stand the thought of Jon Anderson leaving and Trevor Horn being Yes' vocalist and frontman nor Geoff Downes playing keyboards (The Buggles?! In Yes?!) after Jon and Rick left. And/or could not accept the 80's Yes with Trevor Rabin in the band in place of Steve Howe. My point here is that sometimes change does not always work. Especially if it is drastic. Sometimes it does! Depends on opinion and taste. And the other point is Yesfans (nor indeed some members of Yes) don't always accept these changes.

Solo projects, certainly.

As many of you know, I have been going on and on about Chris Squire Fish Out Of Water. Who helped out a lot with that album? Nikki Squire! Her Esquire album is great too!

And as mentioned, Claire Hamill was great on "Look Over Your Shoulder". That is an example of an artist's own solo project, and in that situation he/she is responsible for any and all relations and dealings.

Anyway, I hope this clears things up.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

[fovman]

Courtney Love?

[SadPreacher]

oh god...help us.....