Would you rather YES have died gracefully?

[YesForSure.]

Just a question, would you rather that YES died after Tormato, or even drama, rather than become pop-sell-outs? I'm all for the guys making more money and everything, but what the 80's did to YES's image just wasn't right.(To me, of course). How can a band so sacred go from their best album, Tales from Topographic Oceans, and then turn around and make a peice of garbage called Big Generator? (No flaming, please :D)
Yes die with grace
Or ruin their Image with discraceful music videos like "Owner of a lonely Heart"

[Dances w/PURPLE]

Actually I like the turn of events. I think having the bandmates go off and do seperate projects helped them grow as musicians and perhaps took them into directions they may not have stretched to.

[YesForSure.]

Actually I like the turn of events. I think having the bandmates go off and do seperate projects helped them grow as musicians and perhaps took them into directions they may not have stretched to.And I'm beginning to accept my vote is probably going to be the only one saying "Yes" :P
I like portions of 90125 and BG, and I don't mind the more recent stuff like Magnification and Open your eyes.

[luckeydoug1]

For me the Trevor Rabin "YesWest" era is the best Yes music there is. I do like some of the older stuff (Fragile, Tales) and newer (Ladder, Magnification), but 90125, Big Generator and Talk is the best Yes music for me and the ones I listen to the most often.

[Jackaranda]

I couldn't disagree more. But we're all Yesfans and we all love Yes and have our opinions, right?

I became a Yes fan in 1975, and saw them in 76, 77, 78, 79, and 80, twice. But...I love Rabin, and his role in Yes. I think Talk is among the greatest of Yes albums.....so....to me it's All YES MUSIC.

[umgekehrt]

Or ruin their Image with discraceful music videos like "Owner of a lonely Heart"
Owner is no disgrace.

[inside_out]

Death is a state of mind. You may want to take another look (at yourself).

[YesForSure.]

Death is a state of mind. You may want to take another look (at yourself).
Fine mr. ZEN, "Would you rather YES would have stopped producing music as a group after 1979".

[cinderella]

I'm happy with all the decisions they made. I'm glad they kept going and creating no matter who was in the band. The 80's Yes was still Yes, only different. It brought in a lot of fans who may not have liked the earlier Yes music, and some who never heard of them. They liked the songs, and maybe then went back and listened to everything from the beginning. Some of the younger generation are discovering them now and becoming fans. I all adds to their wonderful history as a band.

[inside_out]

Fine mr. ZEN, "Would you rather YES would have stopped producing music as a group after 1979".

no.

[True Believer]

No way!

[luckeydoug1]

But we're all Yesfans and we all love Yes and have our opinions, right?
Absolutely!
I became a Yes fan in 1975, and saw them in 76, 77, 78, 79, and 80, twice. But...I love Rabin, and his role in Yes. I think Talk is among the greatest of Yes albums.....so....to me it's All YES MUSIC.
I couldn't agree more. It is all Yes music.

[Altres]

NoForSure.

It wouldn't be true Yes unless they were fundamentally flawed on every level over the years. It is the level of frailties that Yes endure that gives them the edge over many other bands. Yes manage to air their disatisfactions with each other in the lawyers office,the music is mostly unbruised.

I love Yes.

Brian

[Tucson Bass Player]

I couldn't disagree more. But we're all Yesfans and we all love Yes and have our opinions, right?

I became a Yes fan in 1975, and saw them in 76, 77, 78, 79, and 80, twice. But...I love Rabin, and his role in Yes. I think Talk is among the greatest of Yes albums.....so....to me it's All YES MUSIC.


Thanks Jackaranda,
This thread is not really started by a YES fan. The thread creator is a selfish fan who believes YES should continue recreate a time in their carreers that he is partial to. I wonder if he as an artist or entreprenuer is doing the same thing he was 30 years ago. I hope not for his own sake. All music is a living breathing changing creature, that means YES to. Thank god for Trevor, Patrick, Boris, should I go on. And oh yes, all the future YES members. Hmmmm I wonder who the next singer will be. No matter who it is, I am sure she'll be great. I mean he, I mean....I mean it just doesn't matter, we should just appreciatte the legacy continuing.

I better go practice now, Chris ain't gettin' any younger! :rightG:

[YesForSure.]

Thanks Jackaranda,
This thread is not really started by a YES fan. The thread creator is a selfish fan who believes YES should continue recreate a time in their carreers that he is partial to. I wonder if he as an artist or entreprenuer is doing the same thing he was 30 years ago. I hope not for his own sake. All music is a living breathing changing creature, that means YES to. Thank god for Trevor, Patrick, Boris, should I go on. And oh yes, all the future YES members. Hmmmm I wonder who the next singer will be. No matter who it is, I am sure she'll be great. I mean he, I mean....I mean it just doesn't matter, we should just appreciatte the legacy continuing.

I better go practice now, Chris ain't gettin' any younger! :rightG:
Don't tell me what I am. It was a question. I was talking soley on MUSIC not ANYTHING else. Don't put into your mind how the guys would have fared, just do you like the MUSIC and would you have preferred that it not continue.

We all have our opinions. Don't go jumping down peoples throat if you don't like how they think.

[sunburstbasser]

What did you expect? Some of us like Rabin-era Yes as much, or more, than classic Yes. To fans of that era, Yes weren't "pop sell-outs." Truth be told, I got my best friend into Yes not on Fragile or CTTE, but on "Changes" and "Love Will Find a Way," which she personally prefers over the older stuff.

We're all entitled to our opinions, but you've gotta respect ours if you expect yours to be respected by everyone.

[fredd]

Ohmigoodness, how did this thread turn?

I don't much care for 90125 or drama or OYE or... That said, I am grateful those albums (albums?) were pressed (pressed?) because YES continued, and continues. Had they decided not to carry on, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to take my wife and kids to see them. My wife doesn't much care for their music, but she tolerates it. My kids like it! Anyway, I have some live shows recorded from 'that era' and they sound good; better to me than the studio releases. So, thanks for carrying on. I appreciate it.

[Yes2Yes]

Personally I'm glad the way things worked out. The 80's marked a different path for the band. It gave them many new fans and hopefully they will go back to the studio and create the kind of music we've all come to appreciate and love.

[Silent_wings]

I'm so glad Yes isn't dead
I love 80's Yes
and I love Magnification
The world would be a sader place with out Yes still making music

[smatt]

The way I look at it.. ho am I to say what they should've or shouldn't have done really.... They're artists and they create... People listen or they don't.... :smurf:

[Close to Loch Ness]

I'm glad they stayed for two main reasons. The Symphonic DVD and the Tsongas DVD.

[Balrog]

NO, I want them to scratch, claw, and fight to live. Just think of the musical gems we would have missed if Yes had died gracefully after Tormato. As long as there is life, there is hope!

[Earl Grey]

This poll is just silly...

[DREAMER]

Well I cant answer Yes or No to that one !

I wish they had split after Drama and not reformed with Rabin. For me, to call 90125 a Yes album is the biggest musical travesty of all time.

If only Rabin hadn't come along maybe the real Yes would have reformed later in the eighties and we would have had loads more real Yes music and tours !

Of course as things turned out I'm glad classic Yes got back together in '96 and the tours of recent years (expecially Open Your Eyes in '98 and Magnification in '01) have been a dream come true.

[heishere]

Just a question, would you rather that YES died after Tormato, or even drama, rather than become pop-sell-outs? I'm all for the guys making more money and everything, but what the 80's did to YES's image just wasn't right.(To me, of course). How can a band so sacred go from their best album, Tales from Topographic Oceans, and then turn around and make a peice of garbage called Big Generator? (No flaming, please :D)
Yes die with grace
Or ruin their Image with discraceful music videos like "Owner of a lonely Heart"

hey yesforsure, i really like your poll... nothing wrong with reflecting back over the years... and i consider you a "true yes fan" as long as you approach each question openly and fearlessly, as you have done... i cast my vote with the majority, however: i can't bear the thought of no final eyes, no endless dream, no nine voices... these are just a few examples of the precious post 80's yesmusic out there that could never be considered "pop-sell-outs"

give love each day & it'll be a good day...

[jtownyesfan]

I wonder what would have happened had Yes become Cinema and told Jon to hit the bricks during the 90125 rehearsals. I would have liked to have seen Chris, Steve, Alan, Trevor Horn and Geoff make more music together. Keystudio, The Ladder and Magnification were worth the wait though.

[Yesed]

Yes should have stopped after 'going for the one'.
Imagine them coming back for Keys to ascension without all that trendy filler that is in spirit not Yes, only in name, even though some of it is good music. Would Keys sound different? Would Yes be immortalized and respected more. I think so.
Yes transends trend, like good classical music, everything before Tormato would be looked on with a different light. Ed

[Vic W.]

Ok, I added a second Yes vote for you, with the caveat that I believe the conventional wisdom that Yeswest kept Yes alive is 180 degrees wrong. If anything, that collaboration delayed the possibility of the classic Yes guys to get back together.

I never understood the logic of that theory. Everyone knows there are old bands that did nothing for a decade and then reformed. No need for a substitue to "keep the name alive".

I would prefer that Yeswest would have used the name Cinema, instead of trying to cash in on the Yes name once Jon showed up. It was a completely different band. Hell, I hardly recognize Alan White when I listen to the god-awful Big Beat sound of that band. And that goes for Chris Squire, too.

[Bo Locks]

Weird thread! The year is 2006 guys. Live a little!

[MrZuLu]

i don't understand the question...

why would anyone want anyone to die?

this thread is absurd!

especially on a YESFANS SITE


sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[MrZuLu]

Ok, I added a second Yes vote for you, with the caveat that I believe the conventional wisdom that Yeswest kept Yes alive is 180 degrees wrong. If anything, that collaboration delayed the possibility of the classic Yes guys to get back together.

I never understood the logic of that theory. Everyone knows there are old bands that did nothing for a decade and then reformed. No need for a substitue to "keep the name alive".

I would prefer that Yeswest would have used the name Cinema, instead of trying to cash in on the Yes name once Jon showed up. It was a completely different band. Hell, I hardly recognize Alan White when I listen to the god-awful Big Beat sound of that band. And that goes for Chris Squire, too.


I disagree with EVERYthing you just said!
I believe you are the one that is 180° off.

i respect your opinion...
Do you respect mine?

or does that make me a lesser human being
and that goes for Chris Squire as well!

[robin chun]

Ok, I added a second Yes vote for you, with the caveat that I believe the conventional wisdom that Yeswest kept Yes alive is 180 degrees wrong. If anything, that collaboration delayed the possibility of the classic Yes guys to get back together.

I never understood the logic of that theory. Everyone knows there are old bands that did nothing for a decade and then reformed. No need for a substitue to "keep the name alive".

I would prefer that Yeswest would have used the name Cinema, instead of trying to cash in on the Yes name once Jon showed up. It was a completely different band. Hell, I hardly recognize Alan White when I listen to the god-awful Big Beat sound of that band. And that goes for Chris Squire, too.
You are DEAD right, I started a thread some months ago about exactly what you say.. Rabin years should have been CINEMA and not YES period!
Robin

[somissound]

This is a horrible question :slap:


I always enjoy the suspense of a new Yes creation!

Even Tormato, OYE, and the fans least fav's have some amazing music....

Music is art and an experiment...There are no guarantees!!

I would take their "worst" album over almost ALL new music.

:theband:

[Silent_wings]

I hear that

good post Somis

[Roadkill]

Well, the problem here is someone starting a thread with the claim that Tales is their best album.

[Roan's Lady]

This is a horrible question :slap:


It's a strange question; worded as if YesForSure imagines that Yes is already dead, having died in a graceless fashion...

I would take their "worst" album over almost ALL new music.


I would not. I want and expect nothing less than greatness from them. I hope I'm not disappointed.

[YYY]

Have YES died?

It's true that I have very little to do with most YES after Tormato but there have still been a FEW 80's songs that satisfy me. I think MAG is a fine YES album. I are fortunate to have it. I think YES has it in them to take MAG to another level before the End. But doesn't to see YES Live forever. Their performances are always amazing.

Strange Question!

[YesJen357]

Reports of YES's demise have thankfully been somewhat over-rated!
This thread isn't just silly.......It's plain stupid.
I don't mind that some think that YES should go away, or that certain line-ups delayed the 'real thing' from getting back together......
You just won't be able to prise out of my hands whilst alive, any of the YES albums. They all have some kind of magic that speaks to my soul. And though I've said this before.....As good as 'Close to the Edge' is; if every album sounded identical to it, I'd probably get sick of hearing them. But since we have had the wonderful changes which allowed the band to go down diverging and alternate paths.....Well, I'm a very rich person as a result.
Long live YES!

[True Believer]

Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never!

[somissound]

It's a strange question; worded as if YesForSure imagines that Yes is already dead, having died in a graceless fashion...



I would not. I want and expect nothing less than greatness from them. I hope I'm not disappointed.

I was not talking about a future album, I was talking about the albums Yesfans have collectivly said are their worst, and that I'd take those albums over most modern crud by new bands.:rcking:

I have total faith that with recharged batteries, a lot of time to write, this line-up, and the right co-producer, they will deliver something great!

[somissound]

This is what I said about their past works, and the state of new music by other bands. Hope I am clear I do NOT include Yes in "ALL new music"! ;)



Even Tormato, OYE, and the fans least fav's have some amazing music....

Music is art and an experiment...There are no guarantees!!

I would take their "worst" album over almost ALL new music.

:theband:[/QUOTE]

[allpurechance]

Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never!

What Anne has said.Every single word of it.

Well said, Woman!

[Scooty]

I want one more tour....PERIOD.

I don't care if they play the greatest hits, or make it an 80's tour or call it"The Phone Book Tour."

I don't care!!

One more round....one more round...

[Sheerah]

Yes, I need my swan song tour!

[YesJen357]

I want one more tour....PERIOD.

I don't care if they play the greatest hits, or make it an 80's tour or call it"The Phone Book Tour."

I don't care!!

One more round....one more round...

Right on there, Brother!
And so say all of us!

[BRINGRABINBACK]

I would like to see a tour with the Original line-up (with Banks) doing the original songs! That music was cool. In the 80's I think Maestro Rabin was trying to not only update Yes, but at the same time take them back to thier roots.

But most of all TREVOR RABIN ROCKS.

[YesForSure.]

I pretty much laughed my ass off when i re-read this thread. pretty ridiculous proposition on my part ;)

Yestour 2009? :( I remember the joy of acquiring toronto tickets only to be told 2 weeks later the tour was cancelled..

[Sharp on Attack]

Changes happen and YES albums happen for a reason each time and they are appropriate to their times. Big Generator was not the disgrace you suggest. It has powerful and beautiful moments. Take a dozen of randomly chosen rock albums from 1987 and you'll see Big Generator was an appropriate reply to the time.

[marklovesyes]

Yes dying is an oxymoron. The name of the band implies that they will continue to live on.

[chergonblues]

Yeah, this poll was, like
a) Do you want the world to end? or
b) Do you not want the world not to end?
Pretty biased...

[Olorin]

I voted No, because if they had ended after Tormato, I would never have gotten to see them live. I've seen them 16 times now, counting ABWH and HSW as Yes, and I've yet to see a bad concert.

[crotale2112]

The yes turtle says it all.

long life...

slow and steady...

yes will never die.

[smatt]

This is what I said about their past works, and the state of new music by other bands. Hope I am clear I do NOT include Yes in "ALL new music"! ;)



Even Tormato, OYE, and the fans least fav's have some amazing music....

Music is art and an experiment...There are no guarantees!!

I would take their "worst" album over almost ALL new music.

:theband:[/quote]



Yeppers..... It's not for to decide anything for anybody..... It's done, when it's done ;)

[relayeire]

it still can... but since we've been teased with Jon (and maybe Rick) possibly coming back for a few shows and talk of recording, I'd like to see those things happen first...

[YESOLA]

The period of 1996- 2004 was such fun, and satisying period as far as concerts go, and the whole Yes fan connection through the internet.

I loved Drama, and even the 80's period when they became somewhat of a household name for a while. It was fun ( hey it was the 80's ...we didn't realize our foolishness ;) )

So no, I would not have them stopped after Tormato.

[90125yes]

I don't want YES to die - because there will always be a YES

[somissound]

For a band to "die gracefully" is so boring...

Especially an adventurous band like Yes who are NOT afraid of change and taking new twists and turns...

And the way the guys are playing on this tour, they're far from done, musically...

Rock on gentlemen! (and may this thread die gracefully) ;)

[Gemini]

I don't expect YES to die any more gracefully than I plan to die: I'm counting on leaving ten claw marks starting from my death bed and finishing at the friggin' cemetary. Die gracefully? My achin' arse!

[inside_out]

I watched the band Chicago on A&E this morning, speaking of their nearly 40 years as a band. Does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody really care? Cliche' for sure.

Yes is different to me. Timeless in the truest since of the word.

[Roan's Lady]

For a band to "die gracefully" is so boring...

Especially an adventurous band like Yes who are NOT afraid of change and taking new twists and turns...



But...um...they procured a singer who sounds like Jon, and a keyboardist who sounds like Rick (some say), and are playing exactly one new song, which is a limp-wristed effort at best, imo...

Where would the "adventure" be? :thinking:

Yes may be many wonderful things to many people these days, but "adventurous"? I don't think so. Not anymore.

[Gemini]

But...um...they procured a singer who sounds like Jon, and a keyboardist who sounds like Rick (some say), and are playing exactly one new song, which is a limp-wristed effort at best, imo...

Where would the "adventure" be? :thinking:

Yes may be many wonderful things to many people these days, but "adventurous"? I don't think so. Not anymore.

Marriage to the same person after so many years may not be as "adventurous" as it once might have been, but it can still make one's heart glow. YES doesn't have to be adventurous; they just have to be there.

[maninthemoon]

Marriage to the same person after so many years may not be as "adventurous" as it once might have been, but it can still make one's heart glow. YES doesn't have to be adventurous; they just have to be there.

I think that's well said.

[Gemini]

I think that's well said.
Why, thank you. Do you think you can come in on Thursday night? Friday is my first twentieth wedding anniversary. I'm guessing my lovely bride will want a romantic dinner.

[somissound]

But...um...they procured a singer who sounds like Jon, and a keyboardist who sounds like Rick (some say), and are playing exactly one new song, which is a limp-wristed effort at best, imo...

Where would the "adventure" be? :thinking:

Yes may be many wonderful things to many people these days, but "adventurous"? I don't think so. Not anymore.

Uh...um... The adventure is in playing music they have not been able to play since Drama, seeing if there still is an audience (there is), trying a new song live that is adventurous, good or bad... And "limp wristed", is that a gay slag?? I think it is melodic and different... I guess you'd prefer some "Macho" Yes...And Rick's son, who else would understand and know Pop's parts better?

The fact they tried something different, and have pulled out some interesting music, old and new, is much more adventurous than another greatest hits tour...imo

And it looks like an adventure to the west coast and recording studio are in their future... This sure beats the 2004-2007 activites... :Wow:

[90125yes]

Originally Posted by Roan's Lady http://www.yesfans.com/images/FH_Faddah_F/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.yesfans.com/showthread.php?p=1647754#post1647754)
But...um...they procured a singer who sounds like Jon, and a keyboardist who sounds like Rick (some say), and are playing exactly one new song, which is a limp-wristed effort at best, imo...

Where would the "adventure" be? :thinking:

Yes may be many wonderful things to many people these days, but "adventurous"? I don't think so. Not anymore.

______

as much as i love YES and i am embracing the new lineup and trying to be positive , i have to say roans lady , having listened to one of the tours - i agree with you

lets hope new material is forthcoming and will be better than we all could have hoped for

[90125yes]

..so in answer to this post , if YES are not pushing boundaries any more - then maybe they should have finished in 2004

but lets be grateful that they are still going

if they do one more record with Jon and the classic lineup - then that will be good enough for me

[Roan's Lady]

Uh...um... The adventure is in playing music they have not been able to play since Drama, seeing if there still is an audience (there is), trying a new song live that is adventurous, good or bad...

If that's your definition of adventure, so be it. I see an adventurous band as one who is actively making new music and not looking to follow formula with a new vocalist who sounds (not coincidentally) like Jon and a new keyboardist who sounds like Rick - whether it's his son or not only matters in the fact that the surname "Wakeman" is bound to attract some extra attention. Of course audiences of die-hard Yes fans will buy into all of this. I fully understand the rationale behind it, but it's not something I find personally appealing.


And "limp wristed", is that a gay slag?? I think it is melodic and different... I guess you'd prefer some "Macho" Yes...

A "gay slag"? No - it certainly wasn't intended as one. What I meant was that I find it to be one of their weaker compositions, musically and lyrically. The piano is pretty enough, but the rest falls flat for me. And I'm not sure what you mean when you say I'd prefer "macho" Yes - I've loved both the delicate and the hard-driving Yes - no prejudices about that. :D


And Rick's son, who else would understand and know Pop's parts better?

Likely, no one. (I don't know for sure, though.) But what is most appealing for everyone isn't necessarily a mimic.

The fact they tried something different, and have pulled out some interesting music, old and new, is much more adventurous than another greatest hits tour...imo

I don't know what other tour has been a strictly "greatest hits" one. As far as I know, they've always thrown in some lesser-known/played songs. The current tour is similar in that way. It's cool they've been playing some Drama material, for example, but I don't find this particularly "adventurous". I think that was a decision that they happened to be able to make because Jon's influence on the setlist was not an issue.

And it looks like an adventure to the west coast and recording studio are in their future... This sure beats the 2004-2007 activites... :Wow:

If they record new material, I am all ears. If they don't, but Jon returns, I'll be there to say goodbye.

[CybrKhatru]

I am currently listening to a weed from Uncasville CT generously sent to me by a fellow YFer. So far I am five songs in.

I don't feel that I can vote in this poll yet, but quite honestly...
...if there is no new music, and the rest of this show sounds like what I am currently hearing, I'm afraid the answer is "yes".

[yes372]

I'm surprised no one has come on here saying they wished Yes had died gracefully in 1971 after Peter Banks and Tony Kaye had been replaced by Steve Howe and Rick Wakeman.

How does the current situation differ than had the Yes that existed in 1989-90 (Squire, White, Rabin and Kaye) gone out on tour? That would have been a Yes without Jon Anderson too.

I've seen two shows this tour, Richmond (B+) and Atlanta (B-). Not the best Yes shows I've ever seen, but far from the worst either.

I'm glad Chris, Steve and Alan are out there. I hope Jon and Rick return next year, but I'm all for the continuation of the Yes idea for at least as long as these three want to keep it going.

[Dramato]

They are finishing up a brief fortieth anniversary tour, for which new material should not really be required. This is not the time to evaluate life-support issues. If they again mount a tour, this time without either the flimsiest excuse of an occasion, or without a mass of new musical material, then the melee should begin. This is a weird transitional time--transition to what I don't know--but I want to be open to some good things happening and I'm actually grateful for the really good show I just attended.

So no way, I don't think it's time to:
1) wish that Yes were already dead; or
2) lay down terms for my continuing Yesfan-ness.

Rather I think we have to be patient about both Jon's health and the future musical direction and personnel composition of the band. Or, if one prefers, the ride is going slow enough right now for anyone to get off.

[Vic W.]

Technical question here:

How come even though I clicked on "ignore this thread" it still shows up in my subscribed threads list?

[inside_out]

Technical question here:

How come even though I clicked on "ignore this thread" it still shows up in my subscribed threads list?

We can do nothing about your dreams. They just happen.

[maninthemoon]

Why, thank you. Do you think you can come in on Thursday night? Friday is my first twentieth wedding anniversary. I'm guessing my lovely bride will want a romantic dinner.
Doh! I don't know...I had to do a lot of finagling just to get to go Friday. I'll check on it.

[90125yes]

Originally Posted by Gemini http://www.yesfans.com/bluefusion/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.yesfans.com/showthread.php?p=1648359#post1648359)
Why, thank you. Do you think you can come in on Thursday night? Friday is my first twentieth wedding anniversary. I'm guessing my lovely bride will want a romantic dinner.

eerr ok - will YES be playing

[Steve Mahoney]

Disgracefully . The only way to go.

[90125yes]

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[Dramato]

Do not go gently into that good dustbin.

[islandsofarabia]

Nope, but I'd rather that Genesis had.


:xolicon42:

[Bill Mocarsky]

Technical question here:

How come even though I clicked on "ignore this thread" it still shows up in my subscribed threads list?

It shows up to see if you're really gonna ignore the thread.

[90125yes]

so glad YES is alive

merry christmas YES

[Schindleria]

The way I look at it.. ho am I to say what they should've or shouldn't have done really.... They're artists and they create... People listen or they don't.... :smurf:

Well said!

The 80's brought about a major change in the music world and the technology that now dominates it. Yes did what few Classics managed at that time, they adapted, grew, had a number 1, and brought in a whole new generation of fans in a landscape of one-hit-wonder chart toppers. Yes constantly amazes me with their ability to move forward and always be on the cutting edge of things. Art can't exist in a vacuum for the artist who creates it or then they truly have died.

[fatdaddy]

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It was not too long ago that I did not accept the Drama line up as YES, in a way I still don't. No one can replace Jon and the current effort is not intended to (sorry for drifting off topic). Anyway, if Squire is content with the line up it is YES, IMO. I do not imagine that any line up could perform as YES without Squire.

[Fragyle Ladder]

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I do not agree that YES has "died." No one can replace Jon and the current effort is not intended to (sorry for drifting off topic). Anyway, if Squire is content with the line up it is YES, IMO. I do not imagine that any line up could perform as YES without Squire.


I agree with this!

[rikensquire]

I agree with this!

I would say it all boils down to how much newer music you have in your collection. I would rather see the guys come out of this as great composers picking their standins till they kick-it. It's music, yes it needs to be performed by good players, but this has all been penned over forty years. Other people can come along and possibly play it and make money off it, but this needs to go on as a following. Look at all of us, in here regularly, when they haven't released anything new in quite a while. I would pay to see the guys come out to view their masterpieces as much as I'd pay to see them, the qualifier being their involvement(anyone can start a tribute band).

[CybrKhatru]

(anyone can start a tribute band).

True, but not just anyone can make it good. :D
Having played in a Yes trib with varying degrees of success I can attest to this.

[YesCarolinita]

Yes is not dead.
And no, I do not want anyone to die gracefully or not at this time.
And I do not want to discuss this question today or tomorrow etc.
Maybe if this happens in my lifetime I will discuss it then.
As long as I can listen to a Yes CD, YES is ALIVE.

I'm selfish

(although reality lingers) Where and why do people post such hideous questions here?
Live for today PEOPLE.
No use analzing these points over and over again... be gone.

[Original_Shifty]

I want the band to scratch and claw until the final end.


I'm just selfish when it comes to Yes.


Wheel Steve out on a wheelchair with an IV in his arm and I'll still go!

[Dantalion Rides Again]

Yes is not dead.
And no, I do not want anyone to die gracefully or not at this time.
And I do not want to discuss this question today or tomorrow etc.
Maybe if this happens in my lifetime I will discuss it then.
As long as I can listen to a Yes CD, YES is ALIVE.

I'm selfish

(although reality lingers) Where and why do people post such hideous questions here?
Live for today PEOPLE.
No use analzing these points over and over again... be gone.


With respect, I find these types of posts all the more ridiculous. Posts that say, "I don't want to participate in this thread!" ... Why not avoid the thread instead? I pass by plenty of threads here for that exact reason. I don't need to go read it, and then take the time to announce to everyone that I'm not enjoying the process.

Conversely, it makes perfect sense to me that a person would choose a forum thread as the ideal vehicle for a conversation that others may wish to avoid.

[rikensquire]

True, but not just anyone can make it good. :D
Having played in a Yes trib with varying degrees of success I can attest to this.

I agree with you. I am just pointing out that they wrote all of this material and know it better than anyone starting a tribute band. People retire in their sixties, they don't do a continental tour with 50+ shows. Not the sane ones.

[BEE]

I am so glad they have not died out at all...and just continue on gracefully or not!

Yes are...."an ever opening flower"
Carefully read and take to heart each line of Parallels and how it equates to this thread,YesHistory and even the "In The Present" tour!
Remember Squire wrote the lyrics,not Jon. I feel Chris has been the best at keeping things moving Onward :)


Parallels (Squire)
When you've tried most everything and nothing's taking you higher.
When you come to realize, you've been playing with fire.
Hear me when I say to you, it's really down to your heart.

It's the beginning of a new love in sight.
You've got the way to make it all happen.
Set it spinning turning roundabout.
Create a new dimension.
When we are winning we can stop and shout
Making love towards perfection.

I've been all around the world and seen so many faces.
Young and old a story told, filling in my spaces.
Now without a trace of doubt I feel it every hour.

It's the beginning of a new love inside.
Could be an ever opening flower.
No hesitation when we're all about
To build a shining tower.
No explanations, need to work it out.
You know we've got the power.

Parallel our sights.
And we will find, that we, we need, to be, where we, belong.
Parallel our heights
Display our rights, and wrongs, and always keep it--STRONG.

It's the beginning of a new love in sight.
Could be an ever opening flower.
No explanations, need to work it out.
You know we've got the power.

It's the beginning of a new love inside.
You've got the way to make it all happen.
Set it spinning turning roundabout.
Create a new dimension.
When we are winning we can stop and shout
Making love towards perfection.

[luvyesmusic]

Thank goodness Yes has never quite got to that point( a few times close). Yes continues to evolve and change given enough time. A graceful death to a band that has had so many members and changes? Maybe they should have called it quits after the first band practice/rehearsal.;-)

[Bo Locks]

Yes continues to evolve and change given enough time.Gonna be eight years in 2009 since the last studio album! They're giving evolution a bad name.

[9012-jive]

Yes die with grace
Or ruin their Image with discraceful music videos like "Owner of a lonely Heart"

Are you the Anti-Christ or something?? This is a bizarre chain of reasoning!

In any artists life, or in the life of any talented individual there exists one moment that defines their "pinnacle" or highest quality work. Rachmaninov would often speak of this moment occuring in any individual piece of music. Are you suggesting, that once the peak comes that everyone just quit?? You're some kind of demon in sheeps clothing. Artists and authors may have ONE real statement, and their career goal ought to be to get people to find their top moment. You are REALLY a defeatist. Forget you!

You're view of artistic creation seems to indicate that if you cannot continue to outdo yourself you ought to commit suicide, professionally. You are an idiot. If you have a very important work, why NOT learn various marketing techniques to 'hook' new fans. Once you have someone's attention they want to admire what came before. This is precisely what happened in my case. I came of age with Drama and 90125. Let me tell you. Did Drama make me spend money and buy TTO, or CTTE? No way! LOL. 90125 made me fork up the cash and find out what this band was bout. It all works together.

Sell out? Damn, you are one insulting bugger. You see things in black and white, don't you. I think 90125, BG, and Talk are just as progressive as anything that came before. How dare you talk about Yes wussing out. Trevor Rabin did great things for Yes music. Don't let Cinderella read this thread or you are gonna burn in agony.

:drummer:

[BEE]

Gonna be eight years in 2009 since the last studio album! They're giving evolution a bad name.

YesEvolution should get a bad name....
What we need is a new YesCreation ;)

[Ron Drummond]

Q. Would you rather YES have died gracefully?

A. They are dying gracefully.

[YesCarolinita]

With respect, I find these types of posts all the more ridiculous. Posts that say, "I don't want to participate in this thread!" ... Why not avoid the thread instead? I pass by plenty of threads here for that exact reason. I don't need to go read it, and then take the time to announce to everyone that I'm not enjoying the process.

Conversely, it makes perfect sense to me that a person would choose a forum thread as the ideal vehicle for a conversation that others may wish to avoid.

Hi Kevin,

With respect (yours is meaningful to me), I was just answering the question- and I don't involve myself with such negativity on a regular basis. I do avoid such threads. For me personally, it is very hard to continually view similar questions such as this one over and over again. I am somewhat sick of reading such thread titles like this one over and over again. And since I deserve my opinion about all threads I have access to, I think I am still allowed my opinion. You won't hear it again from me in this thread. I stated how I feel and now I am moving on to better forums. I mean, the next couple days are about festivities, not negativity in my life, and I choose to avoid them on a regular basis, especially when it is mostly speculation and not of an intelligent kind.

[Dantalion Rides Again]

I hear ya - must be annoying. I myself find it a completely relevant topic, so it doesn't bug me, you know?

I liked what someone said earlier (forgive me for not citing who said it), something like: if everything had to be perfect all the time for Yes to continue, they'd have never gotten past the 60s.

I do think it's presumptuous to say that they ought to stop. But I also think it's fair to suggest one would have preferred things were different. Who better to share that with than other Yes fans? Some of whom agree wholeheartedly, you know?

(& hey ... Merry Christmas Eve :))

[Borris]

No way.

I like it that Yes did 90125, that Rick Wakeman did countless solo albums that Jon started a solo career. i think a lot of creativity went into Yes re-inventing themselves and what they did had more grace and dignity than calling it quits.

I would hate to be without ABWH, Keystudio, The Ladder and Magnification. Although i don't think these mark a pinacle to the extent that CttE does, they do offer me something warmer and more human than CttE, they are great albums, triumphs of the will, testaments to Yes' ongoing creativity.

And I think Union, OYE, Drama, BG & Talk aren't that great I would rather they produced them than hadn't. Creativity has cycles, to make great music you have to be willing to make mistakes. To me the only mistake is to create no new material.

I would love to see more music from Yes, and some people have expressed the opinion that Chris is the one essential focus, I think Jon is more important. His singing, his melodic ideas are central to the bands achievements. Jon also really pushed for the epic approach that defined Yes. Jon thinks big. Yes is a band where many members have made great contributions. For me it is particularly Jon, Steve, Chris and Rick. I love Bill Bruford's drumming and think Alan's is good and other members have contributed too.

I hope they produce a lot more great new music and rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[Bo Locks]

they do offer me something warmer and more human than CttE...>glaarf< >koff< >koff< >koff<

Sorry. I just choked on my whisky.

[ladybugjt68]

Are you kidding NO WAY !!! I would have never really known any of their music or see any of it live....I am blessed to have the old, and the new YES music in my life. Close to the EDGE Big Generator....whatever I love them !!!! i WOULD NOT KNOW WHERE I WOULD BE TODAY WITHOUT THEM.

[QuietInside]

I didn't vote in the poll.....neither of the options really fit what I think.

I would have preferred that Yes continued making those transcendental epics they did so well on CTTE, Relayer, etc....but at the same time, I wouldn't have wanted them just to call it quits. I hardly listen to the newer Yes at all....but on a few of the albums there have been songs that I've really enjoyed and that hearken back to the glory days. And if they'd call it quits, they wouldn't have made songs like Homeworld, Mind Drive etc. I don't see that they've 'died'....gracefully or otherwise, just that they changed direction. That direction doesn't gel overall with what I prefer Yes to be....but it's entirely their perogative to keep on keeping on however they like; and I respect that right.

[Xanadu93]

Nonononono!!!


90125 is definitely one of my top 5 Yes albums, and one of my favorite albums by any artist! Big Generator isn't bad at all, either.

[tidewater]

Noooooooo!!!!

[tidewater]

Just a question, would you rather that YES died after Tormato, or even drama, rather than become pop-sell-outs? I'm all for the guys making more money and everything, but what the 80's did to YES's image just wasn't right.(To me, of course). How can a band so sacred go from their best album, Tales from Topographic Oceans, and then turn around and make a peice of garbage called Big Generator? (No flaming, please :D)
Yes die with grace
Or ruin their Image with discraceful music videos like "Owner of a lonely Heart"
I understand your point of view,I myself being a fan of 70'sYES....but I am hopeful to see them live before it"s too late...:headset:

[ACK!]

"Died" is kind of an extreme term. Yes did cease to exist for a while in the early '80s and then came back via Cinema in 1983.

It may be time right now for Yes to call it a day. With Jon's and Chris's recent health problems, it may be a bit selfish for us to want them to keep touring.

If Yes resumes, I want Jon, Chris, Steve, Alan and (hopefully) Rick. But if Jon nor Chris are up to it, then maybe it's time for Yes to fade into the sunset.

[daniel sylvain]

Only 11% hoping for and end so far...
Yes is still alive and noone can deny that,
whatever form it may have taken, the remembering
never died....very often I keep saying, *It will be a good day*

[somissound]

Yes is still alive and noone can deny that,
whatever form it may have taken, the remembering
never died....very often I keep saying, *It will be a good day*

:beerchugr:

Yes should create as long as they are able and willing :headset:

This thread should die un-gracefully!:nutkick:

[YYY]

Well I said No only because I was a complete Yes no-show during the 80's and early 90s'. I only regret missing some of the early 90's concerts. Saw YES first in 72 and never thought I'd ever see anything like the likes of them again after Jon & Rick left. Also in the 80's I became very interested in the arrival and rise of the international music scene. Nigerian-Funk-Jazz like Fela Kuti, Juju of King Sunny Ade', Mali's Salif Keita, Brazil artist Gilberto Gil, Djavan, as well as the Funky-Punk of The Talking Heads, of course Prince and the many great reggae artist especially Steel Pulse. The 80's were full of great distractions from the declining Rock & Progressive Rock scene with the exception of Fripp, King Crimson, Gabriel, Eno, Kate Bush, Bruford and U.K. 'Owner' was the first song that caught my attention because of all the radio play. It was nice to see that YES were finally recieving some commercial success again but 'Owner' wasn't the YES I knew. It wasn't until the mid 90's and after having a hit of nostalgia that I started looking into information about my favorite progrock band. Still the new music was not on the level I'd once hailed. Not until MAG.

So I'm happy they continued to record and perform because it gave me a twice in a lifetime chance to relive my youth and see the best live music ever performed which I'd never imagined seeing again.

[shortexchanges]

You miss the spinal tap that is YES! The absurdities within the bands history especially Ricks return several times makes them so special.

In the movie spinal tap when the interview meanders to the fact that 37 people have been members of the band is hilarious because that is the yes story.

The great fact is Magnifaction has 2 or three tracks equal to the best in the catalog.

Every one ever associated with Yes is a consumate musician.

[ACK!]

You miss the spinal tap that is YES! The absurdities within the bands history especially Ricks return several times makes them so special.

In the movie spinal tap when the interview meanders to the fact that 37 people have been members of the band is hilarious because that is the yes story.

I never equated Yes with Spinal Tap, but you're right. Interesting analogy.

I'm just glad that Bill Bruford and Alan White never spontaneously combusted on stage!

[daniel sylvain]

Well I said No only because I

So I'm happy they continued to record and perform because it gave me a twice in a lifetime chance to relive my youth and see the best live music ever performed which I'd never imagined seeing again.

That is exactly it, exactly it...

[Ceasar's Palace]

1. I always liked the Owner Of A Lonely Heart video better than the song...
(which, by the way, is also the case with most Michael Jackson songs):aaa[1]:

2. The question is indeed: when should Yes have stopped?
1971, 1974, 1980, 1988, etc etc?

3. Some people say it's best to quit while you're still no.1 at what you
do, but I think that applies better to sports than to art. Yes may be (long)
past their prime, but there's still at least some great music on every Yes album.

4. Personally I'd rather have them make one last good
album and then quit, than touring for another x years without new music...
:headset:

[Mike Watkins]

Yes is basically The Yes Album thru Tales for me. I didn't buy anything else. That music was enough for me, and it hasn't died.

[90125yes]

Yes is basically The Yes Album thru Tales for me. I didn't buy anything else. That music was enough for me, and it hasn't died.

____

no going for the one

tormato

keys


have you been assleep

[CybrKhatru]

I've loved at least one song on each album, and VERY OFTEN more than one!


I admit, there is a part of me that wishes that 2004 had been the last tour. But who am I? It's their band, not mine/ours, and they can do what they will with it.

[Bo Locks]

I admit, there is a part of me that wishes that 2004 had been the last tour.Me too. I don't want it to be the last, but the memories of the plastic inflatables and the acoustic set would be enough, and better than a slow demise or a karaoke cabaret Yes.

It's their band, not mine/ours, and they can do what they will with it.Ultimately, yes. I hope they don't listen to us.

[90125yes]

Nonononono!!!


90125 is definitely one of my top 5 Yes albums, and one of my favorite albums by any artist! Big Generator isn't bad at all, either.

____


well said

[90125yes]

YES will probably be raised from the ashes when Jon Returns next year

fingers crossed

until then keep hoping

[STEVEtheYESman]

The acoustic re-makes of some of their beloved songs that they released 5 years ago still tell me that they have it in them to make more great music. Now, if they do, is another question. Yes is Yes. I have seen all of their incarnations since 1972 and I appreciate every time that they are able to play for the fans. I am pleased that each time it's a blast to go see them no matter what the line up is!

[rabinmovies]

I think yes should have handed in the towel after open your eyes. The first big signs of Yes going down hill was the Talk era. And i'm not talking about the material here, cause Talk is my all time favourite yes album but bad album sales (250,000 sold) a tour, which as you all know was disastrous with low attendance volumes, and bad promotion. A lot of people blames this due to Howe and Wakeman not being present. Myself, I don't agree with that. Keys, Open your eyes, The Ladder and Magnification all sold poorly and because of that, the band was restricted to playing smaller venues. Overall, in the early 90's I think the media was more interested in bands such as soundgarden, Nirvana, pearl jam etc and put Yes back to the dinosaur category. Also there was very little in promotion for albums after Union.
But Yes battled on with the Keys to Ascension projects resulted in a failure once again from album sales, promotion and even getting a major record deal. Soon after those releases i can remember thinking to myself, what can they do now to survive? Here was the classic yes line up but with no media interest. Open your eyes was then released shortly afterwards with new commercial material, and it was then i started to think that this band is really puzzling me. People slated Talk for the songs being too radio friendly and here was open your eyes which to me was following that same path. It was then i thought Yes should have called it a day.
But, however, it's not all about album sales and publicity, If the band enjoys recording and touring and giving fans enjoyment, then I fully respect them for doing that.
What makes me upset, is why bands such as genesis and Pink Floyd still has a huge fanbase, when Yes has had numerous single potential material but has always been ignored. The musicianship in Yes far exceeds Genesis and Floyd. Yes has never been given a chance, they have always been slated in everything they do from the critics!

[Roan's Lady]

What makes me upset, is why bands such as genesis and Pink Floyd still has a huge fanbase, when Yes has had numerous single potential material but has always been ignored. The musicianship in Yes far exceeds Genesis and Floyd. Yes has never been given a chance, they have always been slated in everything they do from the critics!

Well, your musicianship comment is arguable, but let's say that's the case. What's also the case is that musicianship has little-to-nothing to do with what turns out to be a band's fanbase and how viable they are commercially. Critics have not been kind to Yes, that's true, but there hasn't been enough done to counter that by way of promotion. In my opinion, the promotional angle is where the ball was dropped with Yes, unfortunately.

[BillGuitar]

Well, your musicianship comment is arguable, but let's say that's the case. What's also the case is that musicianship has little-to-nothing to do with what turns out to be a band's fanbase and how viable they are commercially. Critics have not been kind to Yes, that's true, but there hasn't been enough done to counter that by way of promotion. In my opinion, the promotional angle is where the ball was dropped with Yes, unfortunately.

...i.e., No.

:hearts:

[John Khatru]

wow.... this has been a weird and interesting thread to have read through.... my answer to the question posed is essentially no...

like most Yes fans around my age, 90125 was our introduction to the band... 90125 and Asia were my launching pad into the Yesworld and over the years I began to discover their glorious past and continued on to follow them to this day..

Yes has seen many changes over the years... not unlike life itself... and who am I to say what any artist/musician should do or not do.... I wouldn't want someone (be it an audience or some suit at a record label) to dictate to me into doing the same thing over and over...any dedicated artist/musician wants to branch out and try new things out.. In the pop music world there has long been a hazy line in being "true to oneself" and "selling out"

For anyone in the performing arts... change is often a necessity, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. In the pop music world and with any musician/band that has managed to last a long time, (40 years is a whole 'nother story.) change and the ability to adapt someway... is a must.

Be it Yes or any other enduring band/musician that's still around today, touring and recording..They've had their ups and downs, they've had to wade through all of the fickle trends and sycophantic media outlets...and in today's world, its that much tougher.

as to what the future for Yes is? I don't know. I don't have a problem with them touring as they are right now. It's not the first time they've performed without Jon & Rick... and right now they're "carrying the flag" and keeping the music alive.

I do hope Jon and Rick and perhaps other past members can return to the fold for one last go around.... everyone is still alive and the enduring music of Yes should be celebrated.

[Bo Locks]

The first big signs of Yes going down hill was the Talk era... Talk is my all time favourite yes album but bad album sales (250,000 sold) a tour, which as you all know was disastrous with low attendance volumes, and bad promotion.I was living in a musical vacuum when Talk came out - Norway, not the centre of the Rock n Roll universe but that's another story. I relied on UK magazines and advertising to find out what was what. I had to walk into a UK VirginMegastore (that's a place that sold elpees and ceedees before TshirTs and iPods were invented) and I heard Anderson's voice on something that could have been Yes. Sprinting to the Y section and rumaging I find Talk! Can you imagine my surprise? etc. Bad promotion? NO promotion for such a good album.

[YYY]

What makes me upset, is why bands such as genesis and Pink Floyd still has a huge fanbase, when Yes has had numerous single potential material but has always been ignored. The musicianship in Yes far exceeds Genesis and Floyd. Yes has never been given a chance, they have always been slated in everything they do from the critics!

Genesis were only Mega successful after Gabriel and Floyd with their brilliant more commercially viable 'DSOTM' which included a rock hit ' Money. YES never really went down the road of creating truly Blues oriented R&R material. They've always been a hard sell (save OWNER.) In fact I don't like it when they try.
That's why I didn't like most of their material during the 80's. They tried to simplify or strip down the material to make it more mainstream but were never as good at that as Genesis with Collins. Also Gabriel as well created straight up dance hits and was good at it! That's never been YES's forte. IMO

I guess that's what you get for being the best in a particular genre. It's harder to bring it down a notch without selling out or weakening the impact.

Finally the best thing I can say about the current line-up is:
As long as they keep playing together the better the chance the ultimate line up will eventually return

[90125yes]

i think that the future of YES will be determined if Jon comes back next year

also if they can do another classic YES album . roger dean and all - with Rick as well

i have not problem with Tours playing the classics but after a while you yearn fro new material , something different and in a way i am glad that Circa and Asia have had the sense to record new material which has kept the wider fan base happy

In it's present form i find YES rather predictable and that is sad -

i want something new fresh and exciting from them

[tidewater]

i think that the future of YES will be determined if Jon comes back next year

also if they can do another classic YES album . roger dean and all - with Rick as well

i have not problem with Tours playing the classics but after a while you yearn fro new material , something different and in a way i am glad that Circa and Asia have had the sense to record new material which has kept the wider fan base happy

In it's present form i find YES rather predictable and that is sad -

i want something new fresh and exciting from them

Then have JON AND BENOIT together!!:headset:

[rmig68]

The two answers are the same for Yes right now, aren't they? They've kinda been fading away, somewhat gradually, if not necessarily gracefully, the last few years. There's been no real shame for the effort they've put in the last few years, but...

...that's where they is.

[bjlevine]

If there is more new music ahead, carry on. Yet to be seen (and Aliens is a bit lacking...).

[BlueEagle]

This is probably not a popular opinion here, but unless there would be some new YES music- NOT Jon, Chris, Trevor or ? solo material or side project tunes with the YES name slapped on (and I don't see that happening), then they should fold the Yes logo flag and call it a day. Milking the nostalgia turkey is demeaning to the illustrious history of this band. Theyre supposed to be looking over the horizon ahead of them, not behind. Just my opinion.

[Roan's Lady]

This is probably not a popular opinion here, but unless there would be some new YES music- NOT Jon, Chris, Trevor or ? solo material or side project tunes with the YES name slapped on (and I don't see that happening), then they should fold the Yes logo flag and call it a day. Milking the nostalgia turkey is demeaning to the illustrious history of this band. Theyre supposed to be looking over the horizon ahead of them, not behind. Just my opinion.

Shared by more than one person reading, I'd suspect.

[rmig68]

Shared by more than one person reading, I'd suspect.

This is true for me. The very thought of a band that morphs, adapts, changes and evolves was always a huge reason they were so important for me.

Hero worship, sure, guilty to a certain extent, but really the idea and concept of a Yes that is able to change is really what always seperated them from a lot of bands that merely had just good music.

Two quotes I always believed:

Alan: "Yes has always tried to see over the horizon..."
Rick: "I believe there'll be a Yes long after I am gone..."

[rikensquire]

This is probably not a popular opinion here, but unless there would be some new YES music- NOT Jon, Chris, Trevor or ? solo material or side project tunes with the YES name slapped on (and I don't see that happening), then they should fold the Yes logo flag and call it a day. Milking the nostalgia turkey is demeaning to the illustrious history of this band. Theyre supposed to be looking over the horizon ahead of them, not behind. Just my opinion.

Then in a few years you'd be pining over why there's no one playing that music anymore. I just saw them the other night, some parts were painful, but I'd still want to go again next year, no matter what. This stuff isn't like the blues, it was an era, until the marriage between music and concept can be joined in that way again it's gone. Because of all the under 30 year old faces I saw in the crowd, there is hope that this stuff intrigues enough to merit some dabbling by the yutes of today. Some of Steve Howe's work is on a pedal Steel guitar, until they come out with a way to make that dishwasher look sexy to young girls, young guys aren't going to want to step up to that cribbage table. All the bands that have died gracefully have faded off into oblivion, only to be sold after 11pm on infomercials and heard on low powered radio stations which have a sparce audience. All Yes needs is a little fire in the belly, their talent and knowledge is just waiting for the party to get started again.

[Roan's Lady]

All Yes needs is a little fire in the belly, their talent and knowledge is just waiting for the party to get started again.

Some have been waiting so long for the party to start that they've, well, quit waiting and gone down the road to the party that's in full swing.

[CybrKhatru]

...or they've started their own party instead. :D

[Roan's Lady]

...or they've started their own party instead. :D

I hope I'm invited. ;)

[CybrKhatru]

I hope I'm invited. ;)


Absolutely! :D


Which brings up an idea... ya know, I've played with some really talented people here. And it's no secret that the talent pool is vast... kinda makes me wish we could start our own revolution. :D

[Roan's Lady]

Absolutely! :D


Which brings up an idea... ya know, I've played with some really talented people here. And it's no secret that the talent pool is vast... kinda makes me wish we could start our own revolution. :D

We all wanna change the world...:headset:

See, I'm learnin'...;)

[rikensquire]

OK, I'll add a wrinkle to the idea. When Aerosmith made a comeback, it was in a large part due to a number of fans sending in ideas for songs the band could record. For those who can do a decent job of writing a tune, come up with CD that you're willing to donate to the boys as ideas for the next BIG hit for Yes to produce and perform. You could test the ideas out on a thread in here. Just a thought.

[BlueEagle]

Then in a few years you'd be pining over why there's no one playing that music anymore.
Why would I? a. I have their music (studio and live) in every imaginable format and b. I'm tired of the bother and expense of going to live venue and fighting the throngs of happy attendees and c. Seeing them as they are now just makes me feel older than I already do. -SOME 70s rockers have not aged well;). If I ever did go see them again-cool. If I never do, no big deal-all things must pass.:shrug:

[Earl Grey]

Then in a few years you'd be pining over why there's no one playing that music anymore. I just saw them the other night, some parts were painful, but I'd still want to go again next year, no matter what. This stuff isn't like the blues, it was an era, until the marriage between music and concept can be joined in that way again it's gone. Because of all the under 30 year old faces I saw in the crowd, there is hope that this stuff intrigues enough to merit some dabbling by the yutes of today. Some of Steve Howe's work is on a pedal Steel guitar, until they come out with a way to make that dishwasher look sexy to young girls, young guys aren't going to want to step up to that cribbage table. All the bands that have died gracefully have faded off into oblivion, only to be sold after 11pm on infomercials and heard on low powered radio stations which have a sparce audience. All Yes needs is a little fire in the belly, their talent and knowledge is just waiting for the party to get started again.

Excellent post.

YES is better than no YES. Unequivocally.

The band has always had it's ups and downs. We've had our Trevors and our Downes.

I had friends, back in the day, who wouldn't listen to the DRAMA album: It wasn't the YES they were used to.

Now, I see these same friends leaping in the air for joy at shows, as the band is actually revisiting DRAMA. ...The same album that they once despised.

Everyone has their own favorite Yesyears. Tim Lutterbie, the man who started this website, became a Yesfan via the Trevor years. So all of the music is important. And all of these seemingly divergent musical roads lead to the same destination.

I have a little stick-figure drawing that Chris once scribbled on a piece of hotel stationary for me. It's a little figure in a wheelchair, and underneath, Chris wrote this acronym:

SIAWC

When I asked him what it meant, Chris replied, "It's 'Squire In A Wheelchair', and that's me. I'm going to keep doing this until they have to push me out on stage in a wheelchair. I look to the old blues players in their 80's and 90's.
There was no such thing as retirement for them.
And I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be the same way for YES.
I'm in this for the long run."

Whenever I get depressed, or feel as though the best of my own life is behind me, I look at Chris's scribble, and I can't help but smile. And I carry on in my own passionate endeavors.

We're truly lucky. Blessed with a band that carry's on, onward through the night, the day, and all seasons.

I wouldn't have it any other way. It's all good.

URLie:yesbird:

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[Roan's Lady]

OK, I'll add a wrinkle to the idea. When Aerosmith made a comeback, it was in a large part due to a number of fans sending in ideas for songs the band could record. For those who can do a decent job of writing a tune, come up with CD that you're willing to donate to the boys as ideas for the next BIG hit for Yes to produce and perform. You could test the ideas out on a thread in here. Just a thought.

So Yes records/performs music that's submitted to them, and then claims it as their own. Wow - that's a neat idea.
You must be kidding.



I have a little stick-figure drawing that Chris once scribbled on a piece of hotel stationary for me. It's a little figure in a wheelchair, and underneath, Chris wrote this acronym:

SIAWC

When I asked him what it meant, Chris replied, "It's 'Squire In A Wheelchair', and that's me. I'm going to keep doing this until they have to push me out on stage in a wheelchair. I look to the old blues players in their 80's and 90's.
There was no such thing as retirement for them.
And I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be the same way for YES.
I'm in this for the long run."



That's a heartening story, Earl. I hope it comes to pass.

[Gemini]

I say the venues better start installing wheelchair ramps for YES fans now.

I ain't quittin' till they do.
(Die gracefully my achin' hairy ass!)

[Earl Grey]

So Yes records/performs music that's submitted to them, and then claims it as their own. Wow - that's a neat idea.
You must be kidding.

~Much of the music from the DRAMA period had already been written and demoed by Horne and Downes before they had joined YES. This is no cheat. Same goes for Trevor Rabin. When the guys took him on as a member of YES, it was understood that the material he had presented would become part of the group effort. The guys knew he was a hands-on kind of guy. They accepted this, as it would lead them into new territories. The 'hands-on' element was a given, part of who Trevor Rabin was and is, and it was acceptable to everyone involved. Thus, Trevor's work became YES's work.

It's not a cheat.

That's a heartening story, Earl. I hope it comes to pass.

Thank You RL: I think it will, honest to God, we're seeing it now. It's harder for the guys to go on the road. They aren't teenagers any more, neither are we.

There are those out there who just complain and gripe that their favorite band, who are mostly all in their mid-sixties, can't play 4 hour concerts like they did back when. And I find that a little selfish.

Our favorite band is still out there, chugging away, playing beautifully, knocking us out again and again with verve and power. Truncated sets, sure. The days of YES Marathons are over I fear. So it goes.

But, they are still on top of their game, they are still bringing it to us, and we have much to be grateful for.


And the band played on...

URlie:yesbird:

[rikensquire]

So Yes records/performs music that's submitted to them, and then claims it as their own. Wow - that's a neat idea.
You must be kidding

How odd. I guess this is a sore spot for you, I've always had what I felt were open and accepting posts for my dillusional viewpoints, from you. It was, after all, just a thought.

[Earl Grey]

I say the venues better start installing wheelchair ramps for YES fans now.

I ain't quittin' till they do.
(Die gracefully my achin' hairy ass!)

Same here Gem.

I'm in it for the long run too!

Best,
Earl:yesbird:

[Roan's Lady]

~Much of the music from the DRAMA period had already been written and demoed by Horne and Downes before they had joined YES. This is no cheat. Same goes for Trevor Rabin. When the guys took him on as a member of YES, it was understood that the material he had presented would become part of the group effort. The guys knew he was a hands-on kind of guy. They accepted this, as it would lead them into new territories. The 'hands-on' element was a given, part of who Trevor Rabin was and is, and it was acceptable to everyone involved. Thus, Trevor's work became YES's work.

It's not a cheat.


URlie:yesbird:

Right, but Horn, Downes, and Rabin are pro musicians who joined the band, not "fans", as rickensquire said. "Fans" submitting music for Yes to twiddle with and make their next big rekkid sounds rather cheap. If the fans are good musicians, they should make music and call it theirs - just as Yes should make music and call it theirs - if they're capable of it.
If they're not capable of it, then imo it's time to fold.


How odd. I guess this is a sore spot for you, I've always had what I felt were open and accepting posts from my dillusional viewpoints, from you. It was, after all, just a thought.

Oh, okay.
GREAT IDEA, rikensquire! I LOVE IT!!

:rolleyes:

[rikensquire]

Every Little Thing

America

[rmig68]

It's funny how we keep thinking they're near the end, and yet, time after time, for better or for worse, through critical acclaim and criticism and personnel changes galore, through shifts in popular culture and technology we have a Yes that is now touring, with talk of perhaps a new album (even maybe involving classic members eager to return).

When they started, America was in the throes of the Viet Nam war and man hadn't landed on the moon. Before Kent State, and Jim and Jimi and Janis were all quite alive and popular. The Beatles still had a few albums in them. They have been around through what, nine US presidents, Watergate, Roe vs. Wade, The 70's oil embargo, a few other wars, MTV, emergence of AIDS, 9/11, and arguably the worst president in US history (who somehow served two terms). Some of you who started out as teens taking a few bong hits and a tab of acid or two, trying to understand what Close to the Edge and Tales were really all about, are grandparents and maybe even great grandparents now. Some Yesfans, no doubt, were born after Magnification....


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The entire Yes Planet rambles on through the cosmos like a giant ball of yarn, picking up experience and history, and, quite obviously a future we have yet to see unfold.

This is pure beauty and yes, you're all invited too.

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I've been a fan since 1972!



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"Yes is like a box of chocolates...you never know what you're gonna get."-rmig68 July 2009

[Roan's Lady]

It's funny how we keep thinking they're near the end, and yet, time after time, for better or for worse, through critical acclaim and criticism and personnel changes galore, through shifts in popular culture and technology we have a Yes that is now touring, with talk of perhaps a new album (even maybe involving classic members eager to return).

When they started, America was in the throes of the Viet Nam war and man hadn't landed on the moon. Before Kent State, and Jim and Jimi and Janis were all quite alive and popular. The Beatles still had a few albums in them. They have been around through what, nine US presidents, Watergate, Roe vs. Wade, The 70's oil embargo, a few other wars, MTV, emergence of AIDS, 9/11, and arguably the worst president in US history (who somehow served two terms). Some of you who started out as teens taking a few bong hits and a tab of acid or two, trying to understand what Close to the Edge and Tales were really all about, are grandparents and maybe even great grandparents now. Some Yesfans, no doubt, were born after Magnification....


"Yes is like a box of chocolates...you never know what you're gonna get."-rmig68 July 2009


Yes' passage through the years is quite astounding. I enjoyed how you laid it out for us, R. The images help, too. Thanks for providing us with this truly interesting perspective. :D

[rmig68]

Yes' passage through the years is quite astounding. I enjoyed how you laid it out for us, R. The images help, too. Thanks for providing us with this truly interesting perspective. :D

When I really thought about it, there have been some enormous events covering all spheres of human existence since the inception of Yes. I could go on for days reminding people of how far and how long, we've all come since then. Sure, the human race is still pretty slimy in the vast configuration of things, but hey, that doesn't mean there hasn't been advancements.

It just goes to show how far we have come in certain areas, when I forget to mention the election of the first black president and the impact of the digital revolution and personal computing (even that term is now archaic).

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http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/ipod_elderly.jpg

OK, maybe that's a bit premature, but it's coming....

[robusan]

YES are kind of like my other fave "live" band, U2 . . . After all these years and all the U2 shows I've seen, I always say "Been there done that - not gonna see them this time". Well, I always end up going anyways. They may be past their "prime" but I can't deny the "spine-tingling" moments that occurs with a band like U2. I can't deny that they hold a special place that no one else does for me.
That said . . . the same really applies to YES. I would rather go and hear an average version of "And You And I" than no version . . .

YES are the kind of band where although I have my fave periods of their work I'll probably always "check out" what they're up to. I guess I just trust the integrity of the players so much. I believe in their intent - even if I'm not always thrilled with the content.

[kirklott]

Anyone who votes for "died gracefully," is voting for breaking up after Tormato.

We would have missed a lot of great shows, and some good music too...

[Roan's Lady]

Anyone who votes for "died gracefully," is voting for breaking up after Tormato.

We would have missed a lot of great shows, and some good music too...

Are you saying they've been "graceless" ever since Tormato?

[Earl Grey]

Right, but Horn, Downes, and Rabin are pro musicians who joined the band, not "fans", as rickensquire said. "Fans" submitting music for Yes to twiddle with and make their next big rekkid sounds rather cheap. If the fans are good musicians, they should make music and call it theirs - just as Yes should make music and call it theirs - if they're capable of it.
If they're not capable of it, then imo it's time to fold...



A HUGE demographic of YES's fans are professional musicians. The music is so intricate, I'm sometimes a little amazed that the guys had the big radio hits that they had.

It would be similar if say, Miles Davis had had a #1 hit on the pop charts. This is one of the band's greatest strengths: To be on the cutting edge of musicality, and yet, to be able to present their work in a way that's palatable to the casual music fan.

Nothing short of genius.

There aren't any rules to creation. Any musician worth his or her salt keeps an open ear, and latches on to anything new and interesting. There's that creative spark, and the genesis of that can be as simple as a chord progression, a song title, a poem... anything from anywhere.

When I hang-out with Yesfans, I'm always amazed by the number of professional musicians I meet.

YES is music that musicians appreciate. There's a lot of creativity in this crowd.

I have no problem with where the band finds their inspiration. I'm just content with the fact that they are inspired.

I can't tell you how many song ideas I've culled from things my own kids have said to me. I wouldn't have written half the songs I've written if I adhered to an arbitrary set of songwriting rules.

Every song is a wonder. Every great song is nothing short of a miracle.

And there are no rules.

Hugs,
URLie:yesbird:

[Roan's Lady]

A HUGE demographic of YES's fans are professional musicians. The music is so intricate, I'm sometimes a little amazed that the guys had the big radio hits that they had.

It would be similar if say, Miles Davis had had a #1 hit on the pop charts. This is one of the band's greatest strengths: To be on the cutting edge of musicality, and yet, to be able to present their work in a way that's palatable to the casual music fan.

Nothing short of genius.

There aren't any rules to creation. Any musician worth his or her salt keeps an open ear, and latches on to anything new and interesting. There's that creative spark, and the genesis of that can be as simple as a chord progression, a song title, a poem... anything from anywhere.

When I hang-out with Yesfans, I'm always amazed by the number of professional musicians I meet.

YES is music that musicians appreciate. There's a lot of creativity in this crowd.

I have no problem with where the band finds their inspiration. I'm just content with the fact that they are inspired.

I can't tell you how many song ideas I've culled from things my own kids have said to me. I wouldn't have written half the songs I've written if I adhered to an arbitrary set of songwriting rules.

Every song is a wonder. Every great song is nothing short of a miracle.

And there are no rules.

Hugs,
URLie:yesbird:

Your kids are naturally inspiring, as they are, well...your kids. A poem, a sunrise, the ocean, loved ones, can inspire and allow one's creative juices to flow just as well. Believe me, I know this first-hand. I'd be happy if Yes tapped into a creative well that I'm hoping still remains (rather than a continuation of trotting out mostly their greatest hits), but I'd prefer they find that inspiration from within themselves and from the world as seen through their own eyes, from inception to completion, rather than through "fan submissions", as rickensquire described. To me, it would be a step down for them.

[Earl Grey]

Your kids are naturally inspiring, as they are, well...your kids. A poem, a sunrise, the ocean, loved ones, can inspire and allow one's creative juices to flow just as well. Believe me, I know this first-hand. I'd be happy if Yes tapped into a creative well that I'm hoping still remains (rather than a continuation of trotting out mostly their greatest hits), but I'd prefer they find that inspiration from within themselves and from the world as seen through their own eyes, from inception to completion, rather than through "fan submissions", as rickensquire described. To me, it would be a step down for them.

The songwriting process is like starting a fire, and keeping it lit long enough to cook. It truly doesn't matter where you found that initial spark. Artists are hunters and gatherers who know how to arrange things well.

Hell, I had a conversation with Chris about how UFOs might simply be human tourists from the future. We were drinking a bit, and riffing on ideas, and that was the thought of the moment.

I don't care where ideas come from. Art is in the way one embellishes an idea. Everything in the world that is of worth is a variation on a theme. We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us.

Ideas are up for grabs. You can't copyright a song title, you can't patent a stream of thought.

The art comes in the manner one approaches a concept.

A musical genius can write an amazing symphony based on 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'.

...Josef Haydn did it, in his 'Suprise Symphony'. It's simply amazing.

You can't create in a vacuum.

Hugs,
URlie:rightG:

[Roan's Lady]

You can't create in a vacuum.

Hugs,
URlie:rightG:

I do know that.

Hopefully, Yes will get to creating again.

[rikensquire]

What have I done? Roan's Lady has been very supportive to me ever since I joined the site, it amazes me the ire I've concocted by mulling over the catalist which propelled Aerosmith back into the limelight. If I genuinely, didn't care about ways to aid the boys in finding their groove again, I never would have dared to utter such blasphemy.

I'd tell them they needed a mid-life crisis and a twenty year old girlfriend with a smokin' hot bod to do the trick, but most of them have probably gone down that road a time or two already. I'd just like to see the guys have one more bite of success at the music game. I guess the fact that Elway had his moments at the twilight of his career may have influenced how I feel in this.

[Roan's Lady]

What have I done? Roan's Lady has been very supportive to me ever since I joined the site, it amazes me the ire I've concocted by mulling over the catalist which propelled Aerosmith back into the limelight. If I genuinely, didn't care about ways to aid the boys in finding their groove again, I never would have dared to utter such blasphemy.

I'd tell them they needed a mid-life crisis and a twenty year old girlfriend with a smokin' hot bod to do the trick, but most of them have probably gone down that road a time or two already. I'd just like to see the guys have one more bite of success at the music game. I guess the fact that Elway had his moments at the twilight of his career may have influenced how I feel in this.

You haven't "concocted ire" or "uttered blasphemy"; you've just inspired discussion based on two differing viewpoints. Just relax there, friend.

[Lifeseeker66]

I don't think there are enough poll options for me to bother voting in this one. To die after Tormato??? Certainly not! And yet, I'm not happy with the way things have turned out in the last year or two either! But I'm perfectly happy with Yes' evolution up until, say, In The Present. I believe the 80's and coming closer to a pop edge were instrumental (no pun intended) in prolonging the longevity of this band. People say "pop" like it's a dirty word or something. Nothing wrong with being popular at whatever you do!

So no, I would not have wanted a graceful death after Tormato (as if anything about Tormato was graceful --- as much as I personally love the album, you could tell Yes was trying to tweak some things to remain a viable vehicle for change in the music industry). I believe Drama was a very necessary stepping stone through the Asia/90125 era. I also believe the ABWH era was a necessary return to the progressive roots of the band.

[StarshipTrooper67]

I don't think there are enough poll options for me to bother voting in this one. To die after Tormato??? Certainly not! And yet, I'm not happy with the way things have turned out in the last year or two either! But I'm perfectly happy with Yes' evolution up until, say, In The Present. I believe the 80's and coming closer to a pop edge were instrumental (no pun intended) in prolonging the longevity of this band. People say "pop" like it's a dirty word or something. Nothing wrong with being popular at whatever you do!

So no, I would not have wanted a graceful death after Tormato (as if anything about Tormato was graceful --- as much as I personally love the album, you could tell Yes was trying to tweak some things to remain a viable vehicle for change in the music industry). I believe Drama was a very necessary stepping stone through the Asia/90125 era. I also believe the ABWH era was a necessary return to the progressive roots of the band.

HEY! Get outta my brain!
My thoughts exactly!!!

[BillGuitar]

The songwriting process is like starting a fire, and keeping it lit long enough to cook. It truly doesn't matter where you found that initial spark. Artists are hunters and gatherers who know how to arrange things well.

Hell, I had a conversation with Chris about how UFOs might simply be human tourists from the future. We were drinking a bit, and riffing on ideas, and that was the thought of the moment.

I don't care where ideas come from. Art is in the way one embellishes an idea. Everything in the world that is of worth is a variation on a theme. We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us.

Ideas are up for grabs. You can't copyright a song title, you can't patent a stream of thought.

The art comes in the manner one approaches a concept.

A musical genius can write an amazing symphony based on 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'.

...Josef Haydn did it, in his 'Suprise Symphony'. It's simply amazing.

You can't create in a vacuum.

Hugs,
URlie:rightG:

Earl's right. Again. :hearts:

Music is a combination of many things. And I'm convinced certain songs "grow" out of distinct life experiences. The people playing with you are a major catalyst, as well. I've managed to always create something that was really cool, and worth keeping with just about everyone I've ever jammed with. Even the "noise jams" I've been a part of, like The Waiting Room on LAMB, have been really worthwhile.

BUT - sometimes I also need to just make noise, not music. But if I'm lucky, I can take some of the noise's energy and turn it back into music, by analyzing it.

Appreciating it.

It is an "open-ness" of mind.
If that's not a word, it is now. A Bill-word. Blerd, if you will.
What the hell is a "thraak," anyway? Speak, Fripp. :lmao:

One of the really cool and amazing things about creating/arranging music is time. An idea/riff will be written decades ago, just festering in your brain vault. But on that one magical day, you'll play it, and THEN hear other things. New things. And you'll start adding to it, in a totally new way.

That's the magic.

Yes has that.

:thumbs:

[rikensquire]

I forget exactly which musician it was, but I remember a story about someone who remembered how musically rich their dreams were and kept a notepad and a keyboard by their bed in order to harvest some of those memories. A little kick start to the heart never hurt anyone, just watch The Agony and the Exstacy and picture your favorite Yes member with Rex Harrison up their bum for inspiration. Now there are those who may have been aroused by that, but I was speaking figuratively.


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[jayar2k9]

What the hell are you people thinking???
To even start this thread....
Granted, there aren't that many that voted "yes" but
Of who voted "yes, they should have died"...What the hell is wrong with you????

Look, I've seen so many of you that still have your heads stuck in the mud over CTTE & TFTO; alright, great, timeless material but if it stopped there, think about what would not exist. You've liked seeing all these young new fans coming in over the past 20 yrs, but you're gonna sh*t all over 2 of the albums responsible for bringing them in!!
I've always held Yes in higher standard than any other because of their natural talent and technical abilities, and in turn, (what should be) producing fans of higher musical standards and broader minds....
You've got no business following ANY band if youre not gonna except any growth or change from the music.. And some of you are musicians yourselves!!
No, this is unacceptable..:nono:

[Earl Grey]

What the hell are you people thinking???
To even start this thread....
Granted, there aren't that many that voted "yes" but
Of who voted "yes, they should have died"...What the hell is wrong with you????

Look, I've seen so many of you that still have your heads stuck in the mud over CTTE & TFTO; alright, great, timeless material but if it stopped there, think about what would not exist. You've liked seeing all these young new fans coming in over the past 20 yrs, but you're gonna sh*t all over 2 of the albums responsible for bringing them in!!
I've always held Yes in higher standard than any other because of their natural talent and technical abilities, and in turn, (what should be) producing fans of higher musical standards and broader minds....
You've got no business following ANY band if youre not gonna except any growth or change from the music.. And some of you are musicians yourselves!!
No, this is unacceptable..:nono:

Thank You.

I don't know... We've always had a very open policy here at Yesfans, where you can start a thread on pretty much anything, as long as you word it well, and aren't personally bashing another member of the site.

But, you know... It's not uncommon for members of YES to read things here.

I wouldn't change our open policy for anything; We're certainly not a 'we all agree about everything' club.

So, unfortunately, threads like this are going to happen. *sigh*

Personally I don't understand why anyone would want to discourage our favorite band in the world. I'm thrilled that we still have a YES to complain about.

I'm glad the guys haven't died gracefully. I'm glad that the band has gone through every sort of adversity, and yet are still out there playing the music that we love.

Most classic rock fans don't have that luxury. If we were, say, a Led Zeppelin fan site, we wouldn't have shorter concerts to gripe about. We wouldn't have the possibility of a new album some day. We wouldn't have anything except for what went on years ago, and our own memories.

I'm damned grateful for YES. I don't have any complaints. I can smile inside and say, 'See you at the next Yesshow!', and mean it.

I find this extraordinary.

Earl:yesbird:

[BlueEagle]

since nobody got the point of this post- NEVER MIND. :rolleyes:

[Earl Grey]

Wow guess we got told what's what. Serves us right for having an opinion about music. GET IN LINE AND SHUT UP!!!! NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK!!!

That's not the point I was making. On the contrary, I mentioned that we aren't a 'we all agree' club. And anyone can say pretty much what they want to about YES, politics, cabbages and kings.

I'm just stating my own personal opinion here. It isn't site policy. And every opinion is welcome.

That's just my opinion. OK?

Best,
Earl:yesbird:

[rikensquire]

Wow guess we got told what's what. Serves us right for having an opinion about music. GET IN LINE AND SHUT UP!!!! NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK!!!


Interesting debating style. Oh, you're upset that people aren't as passionate about your favorite band, they've offended you by mulling over the thought that they should have hung it up long ago. SHUT UP, YOU DARN ZEALOT! Are you sure you still work at the local 911 operations center?

Contemplating suicide? Hold please, you whiney beeotch.

I still enjoy finding someone who's willing to carry the Yes torch so high. I lost a little over the years, so I find it inspiring to see that level of fire still burning in others.

[Roan's Lady]

What the hell are you people thinking???
To even start this thread....
Granted, there aren't that many that voted "yes" but
Of who voted "yes, they should have died"...What the hell is wrong with you????

Look, I've seen so many of you that still have your heads stuck in the mud over CTTE & TFTO; alright, great, timeless material but if it stopped there, think about what would not exist. You've liked seeing all these young new fans coming in over the past 20 yrs, but you're gonna sh*t all over 2 of the albums responsible for bringing them in!!

I've always held Yes in higher standard than any other because of their natural talent and technical abilities, and in turn, (what should be) producing fans of higher musical standards and broader minds....
You've got no business following ANY band if youre not gonna except any growth or change from the music.. And some of you are musicians yourselves!!
No, this is unacceptable..:nono:


Using the word "died" might not have been the most even choice of vocabulary in the thread title, as it's a pretty charged word and obviously Yes hasn't died yet. I think what was meant was do we think A) Yes is just a shadow of what they used to be, riding on the coattails of past glories, and in that prerequisite thinking, does it then follow that B) Yes should have quit before they got to this point? It's a sort of complicated question - probably more so than YesForSure intended.
Some would say Yes has compromised themselves musically since (pick a time/album) and not everyone likes to see that. And if you're not of that opinion, you don't like to read it, sometimes to such a degree that you take offense in reading it (as evidenced in your post above, Jane). But it's a thought as valid as any other.

I've always held Yes to high standards as well, which is why I want to see them take full advantage of the musical creativity and desire to create within them - assuming these things still even exist within them. I'd imagine, too, that the manner in which a person follows a band should be strictly up to that person. :D

[Roan's Lady]

Wow guess we got told what's what. Serves us right for having an opinion about music. GET IN LINE AND SHUT UP!!!! NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK!!!

Interesting debating style. Oh, you're upset that people aren't as passionate about your favorite band, they've offended you by mulling over the thought that they should have hung it up long ago. SHUT UP, YOU DARN ZEALOT! Are you sure you still work at the local 911 operations center?

Contemplating suicide? Hold please, you whiney beeotch.


Jesus, you guys. This isn't the Britney Spears fan club. Go there if you want to act like eight-year-old girls having hissy fits. :rolleyes:

That's not the point I was making. On the contrary, I mentioned that we aren't a 'we all agree' club. And anyone can say pretty much what they want to about YES, politics, cabbages and kings.

I'm just stating my own personal opinion here. It isn't site policy. And every opinion is welcome.

That's just my opinion. OK?

Best,
Earl:yesbird:

I've always gotten that about you, Earl, and I appreciate it - especially knowing the passion you have for the band.

[BlueEagle]

Sorry Urlie. I was responding to Jayar2k9's mandate to keep our opinions to ourselves if we're not going to toe the "party line", not your response.
It's bad enough that we get this crap in the poli threads but I'll be damned if somebody is going to tell me their opinion has more merit than mine or anyone else's.

[jayar2k9]

Oh for God's sakes!!
OK, here it is, one more time; the simple factual, bottom line is:

If someone is going to go so far as to start a thread (on ANY Yes site) to get others to vote and/or vote themselves that "Yes should have died gracefully yrs ago" then that one's heart is not into this band anymore (hasn't been for some time), and therefore needs to just move on. There will be nothing they (the band)can do to please after one has decided they should have "died".

No psycho-analyzation needed, no breaking down posts and pulling them out of context, nothing, nadda...over, done.
There is nothing left for one to say once theyve tipped their hand on where their heart is..or isn't.
Have a good day >:)

[somissound]

Look at the poll results!

I am totally thankful the guys came through and I was fortunate enough to catch 2 shows with the Drama tunes, Astral Traveler, etc... Not the typical Yes show. Bravo YES! and... this thread should be featured at Nofans.com where all the Yeshaters lurk... imo

They just want to bring musical joy to those who are open... I'd be the first to tell you if it was not musical joy. It was great in Indio and LA. Especially the 2nd half of the set in LA ;) Actually I loved the whole thing! It's been quite a while, actually since Jon played Yes music with the SOR, which I enjoyed as well :yesbird:

Here's to 2010, and hopefully some NEW studio work :beerchugr:

[witeskyn7]

Oh for God's sakes!!
OK, here it is, one more time; the simple factual, bottom line is:

If someone is going to go so far as to start a thread (on ANY Yes site) to get others to vote and/or vote themselves that "Yes should have died gracefully yrs ago" then that one's heart is not into this band anymore (hasn't been for some time), and therefore needs to just move on. There will be nothing they (the band)can do to please after one has decided they should have "died".

No psycho-analyzation needed, no breaking down posts and pulling them out of context, nothing, nadda...over, done.
There is nothing left for one to say once theyve tipped their hand on where their heart is..or isn't.
Have a good day >:)


Yeeeooowwww!!!!! Zzzziiiinnnngggg!!!!!

((((((((JANE))))))))

You're right though, as is Amy in her post.

People will see this thread and maybe even some of the Band if not friends of....

As Amy kinda put it, the problem with such a Thread is that, it opens doors of peoples perception and is given into what ever opinion is there.
And Yes..I DO agree that this seems like a somewhat if not VERY negative aspect for Most yesfans to maybe even respond to, yet, some will.

Heck, I couldn't even vote...I was appalled. I admit it.

Dead after Tormato.!.(?)

"Yeah,...NOT," he responded with a somewhat quizzical abandonment
as if to be almost DARING anyone to say if not prove him different.


To those whom still love or like Yes....Just Relax.

[jayar2k9]

yea..I had my teeth bared on this one, but Geez...the blatentcy of it all...
I'm just floored!! Opinions dont even enter into it!!

Uh, I've also taken into consideration that the one who started the thread (can't remember the name off top of my head) might have done so just to stir the hornets' nest, and if that's the case, job well done. Damn sure got a rise outta me didnt ya??
And now, to go full circle with what I said earlier, you all can see, by my reactions, I've tipped my hand as to where my heart is!

[Gemini]

Anyone who votes for "died gracefully," is voting for breaking up after Tormato.

We would have missed a lot of great shows, and some good music too...

Splendidly put. :beerchugr:

[SoLrSaYlR]

Anyone who votes for "died gracefully," is voting for breaking up after Tormato.

How does that math work? Just because Jon and Rick left? There are any number of places in their timeline they could have mutually decided to retire- including after the last 2004 show. You wouldn't have missed much then.

[crotale2112]

Although poppy flowers die in the winter, it's not long before the magic of the sun tells them to rise once again. They will never die. Forever opening flower...

There will always be a yes..
rick wakeman

[Roan's Lady]

Oh for God's sakes!!
OK, here it is, one more time; the simple factual, bottom line is:

If someone is going to go so far as to start a thread (on ANY Yes site) to get others to vote and/or vote themselves that "Yes should have died gracefully yrs ago" then that one's heart is not into this band anymore (hasn't been for some time), and therefore needs to just move on. There will be nothing they (the band)can do to please after one has decided they should have "died".

No psycho-analyzation needed, no breaking down posts and pulling them out of context, nothing, nadda...over, done.
There is nothing left for one to say once theyve tipped their hand on where their heart is..or isn't.
Have a good day >:)

How do you measure or quantify where one's heart is, really?
Some might say that they love so much what Yes represented to them in their past; how in Yes' drive and passion for the music, in creating it as well as playing it, they inspired like little else, opening doors to possibility and hope; seeming to affect every atom of their fans' being and very outlook on and approach to life. There's a love and and a heart right there; HUGE love, HUGE heart, without it having to be RIGHT NOW. So, for those people, maybe it's legitimate to say that over the years, as the music changed and/or the making of it became less frequent, combined with how they as people have certainly changed (aren't we different middle-aged than we were as teenagers?), something did in fact fall away, a kind of "death" if you will. It doesn't mean the heart is gone. It doesn't mean they're cold and thankless. It does mean that Yes still has a place, but rather than it remaining all-encompassing in their day-to-day, as it once was, it's a warm and steadfast glow of memory. Maybe, although expressed a bit more coarsely, that's where YesForSure's heart was when he started this thread. I know it's where mine is.
And I'm thinking that's not such a bad thing.

[YesCarolinita]

I don't want anyone I love to die.
The more this thread appears on this site, the more my stomach gets sick even imagining Yes dying. May sound pathetic to those who are musicans posters here on the boards, but this is how I feel and it matters only to me. I wish this thread would die gracefully.

[YesCarolinita]

Although poppy flowers die in the winter, it's not long before the magic of the sun tells them to rise once again. They will never die. Forever opening flower...

There will always be a yes..
rick wakeman

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I love you Chris-you put the biggest smile on my face when I read this post muuuuuuuuwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!
I can't wait to see you in two weeks from today.
:hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

[90125yes]

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Although poppy flowers die in the winter, it's not long before the magic of the sun tells them to rise once again. They will never die. Forever opening flower...

There will always be a yes..
rick wakeman
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well said

well said indeed

[the greenman]

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.



Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.



Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.



Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.



And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


Dylan Thomas, 1951

in other words No! There's still fight in the boys & glory days yet to come (i pray).

[BillGuitar]

I don't want anyone I love to die.
The more this thread appears on this site, the more my stomach gets sick even imagining Yes dying. May sound pathetic to those who are musicans posters here on the boards, but this is how I feel and it matters only to me. I wish this thread would die gracefully.

[duplicate from another thread]

CherylLuv, you've got to remember that this is just the Internet. And many of us here talk the same as we would in person, just idly chatting. It doesn't really mean anything. It's just talk.

There were probably a billion conversations like this back when Bruford left. They just weren't online then, they were old-fashioned, like over a telephone! *brrrrrrrrrrrrring! brrrrrrrrrrrrring!*

Every single musical entity ever formed has constantly heard "breaking up" or "dying out" or "sold-out" comments. That doesn't change just because it's YES we're referring to. That's part of the music sphere.

And it's also true that most bands have a handful of must-have cds, but not their entire catalogue. That's also a music sphere reality. Different people like different things.

If I listened to every person who said "You'll never play like Steve Howe does" I would have given up trying, decades ago.

But I'm still here. And I'm still playing YES music, too.

:hearts:

[Earl Grey]

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.



Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.



Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.



Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.



And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


Dylan Thomas, 1951

in other words No! There's still fight in the boys & glory days yet to come (i pray).

I thought of this poem too. But You posted it! Good job, and 'spot on'.

URlieGee:yesbird:

[ant]

Surely Yes did die after tormato ... but was re-born shortly after and again several times since ! What happened happened. I would never of thought back in the 80s that I would be writing in 2009 that I have seen so many great yes gigs in the last 10 years. Ok some of the material they have put out since Drama was pretty poor but Magnification and The Ladder were pretty darn good in my opinion.

[spoukeego]

'fraid so. definitely not happy with the way things turned out.

[bsperduto]

I started out in 1975 with close to the edge, Roosevelt stadium with Moraz was my first show, Wow! Yes fan for life after that, No group compares . I practically listen to them every day. Especially the live shows. (Thanks to all who taped them) Close to the edge is my favorite album, then Fragile, Tales and Going for the one, but i always bought their new albums and still listen to them, my 12 year old daughter plays in a school band and the only thing they know of Yes is owner of a lonely heart, so if that is the way to get new yes fans then i am all for it. They play Firebird Suite in concert, which was my way of introducing her to Yes. The Magnification tour has become my all time favorite with the orchestra. As long as Yes keeps going I am all for new music .

[90125yes]

hopefully 2010 will bring the classic lineup together and we will all be happy

the great yes rollacoaster - so glad i am enjoying the ride !!

[Earl Grey]

It's good to enjoy the ride.

It's never the same. Always something different, even when the 'Classic Line-Up' pops out of nowhere and does a tour.

Who knows what is in store? It's all good, and you can count me in for it all!

:cheers:
Earl:yesbird:

[90125yes]

It's good to enjoy the ride.

It's never the same. Always something different, even when the 'Classic Line-Up' pops out of nowhere and does a tour.

Who knows what is in store? It's all good, and you can count me in for it all!

:cheers:
Earl:yesbird:

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agreed

:beerchugr:

[YesForSure.]

It will always make me laugh, reading through this thread and seeing how defensive some dyed in the wool yesfans can become.

It was just a simple question, and I was attacked on everything from my moral character as well as questioning my intelligence. that's alright, I still don't like most of yes's output past 1979 but I'm glad they continued making music even though the quality was vastly compromised. life goes on and so did yes. some of you needed to lighten up a little ;)

[PastPresentMover]

Well, I'm not feeling a lot of what YES has done since the early years, but I never ever think they should stop. For some, the 80's YES music is their best stuff. I have found some stuff in every era that I like. BUT DEATH????? NO WAY. I'm hoping for new collaborations from this group.:headset:

[90125yes]

yes -will never finish

there are too many gifted musicians in the fold

as rick wakeman said - " There wil always be a YES "

[ACK!]

I would rather Yes had died gracefully then remain in limbo like it has since last year. They need to decide if they want to continue with Jon as the singer or not.

If not, they should call it a day. Or, Chris, Jon and Alan should retire the Yes name if they want to continue with the Jon soundalike and Wakeman Jr.

[90125yes]

hopefully jon will return in 2010

[BlueEagle]

I would rather that this <- band had stayed together since 2004 and gone into the studio and created something as good as the material from the 70s.
But ya can't always get what you want.

[crotale2112]

When it comes to the death of yes this is the only thing I can think of.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HofoK_QQxGc

there will always be a yes... always..

[rabinmovies]

Personally, i would have rather Yes had wrapped it up after the Talk tour. I haven't really enjoyed any albums since.

[Roan's Lady]

Not sure that they're dying right now, but no matter - their lack of grace is still evident.

[ACK!]

Not sure that they're dying right now, but no matter - their lack of grace is still evident.

In a manner of speaking, Yes is dead. The classic lineup was quietly dissolved in a very bad way, IMO. Jon was cast aside and they're continuing on with a soundalike and Wakeman's kid.

They should have found a way to tour so Jon could have time to rest -- maybe do very short stints with long breaks inbetween, done the final Yes tour and ended it.

But money, greed and egos won out and now Yes fans are divided like they never were before.

[BillGuitar]

But money, greed and egos won out and now Yes fans are divided like they never were before.

We Are DIVI?

[Bo Locks]

The classic lineup was quietly dissolved in a very bad way...Yeah, it was, wasn't it? Early 1980. The tribute affairs of San Luis Obispo and 2002-2004 have just been retreads of old glories. I mean, where was the NEW MATERIAL...!!!???

What? KTA I & II (and the I & II boxed package) was "new material"? Well, I never... I thought it was just "Yes" kerching-ing it in?

[ACK!]

Yeah, it was, wasn't it? Early 1980. The tribute affairs of San Luis Obispo and 2002-2004 have just been retreads of old glories. I mean, where was the NEW MATERIAL...!!!???

What? KTA I & II (and the I & II boxed package) was "new material"? Well, I never... I thought it was just "Yes" kerching-ing it in?

Well, I was referring to the current dissolution of the classic line up, but yeah, I guess 1980 was pretty bad also.

[Apollo 77]

I decided not to vote on this one as I don't think any of the choices fully meet my views. I wouldn't have wanted them to stop, but I don't like the way things have panned out with all the name calling firstly from Jon and now Rick seems to have been getting into a strop recently (if the reports are true - I'm surprised that Wakey's#Fan hasn't had anything to say on it so far!). I've always tried to see something positive from all the various incarnations of YES even if I wasn't really sold on the 'Yeswest' line-up and despite the fact that OYE was dire (but each to their own). I'm looking forward immensely to the gig in Edinburgh with Benoit and Oliver and see it as another chapter in the story of YES, especially with the possibility of new material being recorded next year - yee-haah! Of course, I'd love Jon and Rick to be in the line-up, but I accept that there are very good reasons why they can't, however no-one should be putting obstacles in the way of those who want to take YES forward in the future - both live and in the studio.
I appreciate that I've gone off at a tangent somewhat from the original subject, but I just wanted to explain why can't pass an opinion on the poll.

[InverYes]

In a manner of speaking, Yes is dead.

That manner being "complete and utter bollocks".

Yes isn't dead. No matter how many times you keep telling yourself that, it won't make it true.

You have lost interest in Yes.

You don't like the current line-up.

You don't like the way the personnel changes came about.

But guess what?

( anyone care to supply the last line? )

[Frumious B]

T
You have lost interest in Yes.

What is really "complete and utter bullocks" is characterizing anyone who doesn't fawn over this band that is touring as having "lost interest in Yes".

[InverYes]

What is really "complete and utter bullocks" is characterizing anyone who doesn't fawn over this band that is touring as having "lost interest in Yes".

I'd agree.

Who's doing that?

It's equally as bad as describing anyone who is prepared to give the new line-up a chance as "fawning".

[90125yes]

i would rather this thread have died gracefully

[Frumious B]

It's equally as bad as describing anyone who is prepared to give the new line-up a chance as "fawning".

I definitely see a lot of what I consider to be hyperbole and irrational exuberance regarding the current band here so my use of the term "fawning" is a reflection of that perception. I'm more than happy to give any new band with Steve Howe and Chris Squire in it a chance regardless of their choice of drummer, singer and keyboardist and regardless of what name they're using. I do think it is silly for them to call it Yes without Jon Anderson for reasons I've all ready extensively covered. I also don't think this band has proven anything whatsoever except for their ability to play music that is 25-40 years old that was largely written in collaboration with a dominant creative force, Anderson, that is no longer there.

Those things said there is absolutely no doubt I'll listen to the new album if it comes out. If I like the music then I'll like it no matter what the band name on the cover says. If I think the new music is good and they play a bunch of it live then I'm also open to catching another gig if they come to my area. I definitely won't go to another nostalgia show unless Anderson is there to participate in the nostalgia. I might not go to another nostalgia show even with Anderson unless it is announced as a "farewell" tour.

[YesCarolinita]

Uggggg, this thread has died gracefully yet?

[kirk]

Ok guys, this is headed for " Shutup! No, YOU shutup ! " territory.
How about we split the hair, shake hands...?

Yes, as some know it and love it, is gone.
Yes, in some form, is still around.
Very few would actually choose this ITP lineup
over the classic, imo, but it's the only game in town currently.

If you approve, go shake yer booty.
If you don't, stay home and play yer rekkids.

We now have Troopers, Westies, and ITP eras.
You can be, and are still a YF, no matter which eras you
do or don't support.

K

[Roan's Lady]

Ok guys, this is headed for " Shutup! No, YOU shutup ! " territory.
How about we split the hair, shake hands...?

Yes, as some know it and love it, is gone.
Yes, in some form, is still around.
Very few would actually choose this ITP lineup
over the classic, imo, but it's the only game in town currently.

If you approve, go shake yer booty.
If you don't, stay home and play yer rekkids.

We now have Troopers, Westies, and ITP eras.
You can be, and are still a YF, no matter which eras you
do or don't support.

K

How Admin-like can you get? ;)

Nice post, K.

[daniel sylvain]

Ok guys, this is headed for " Shutup! No, YOU shutup ! " territory.
How about we split the hair, shake hands...?

Yes, as some know it and love it, is gone.
Yes, in some form, is still around.
Very few would actually choose this ITP lineup
over the classic, imo, but it's the only game in town currently.

If you approve, go shake yer booty.
If you don't, stay home and play yer rekkids.

We now have Troopers, Westies, and ITP eras.
You can be, and are still a YF, no matter which eras you
do or don't support.

K


I'm willing to support a new spring of Yes...after the winter of course....

[daniel sylvain]

Uggggg, this thread has died gracefully yet?

good point...lol...got me smiling.

[InverYes]

How Admin-like can you get? ;)


How Amy-like can you get ;)


:wavey:

[daniel sylvain]

How Amy-like can you get ;)


:wavey:

pretty good one as well

[kirk]

How Amy-like can you get ;)


:wavey:

Well...maybe with some highheels and a wig...
Whataya have in mind ?

K

[Apollo 77]

I definitely see a lot of what I consider to be hyperbole and irrational exuberance regarding the current band here so my use of the term "fawning" is a reflection of that perception. I'm more than happy to give any new band with Steve Howe and Chris Squire in it a chance regardless of their choice of drummer, singer and keyboardist and regardless of what name they're using. I do think it is silly for them to call it Yes without Jon Anderson for reasons I've all ready extensively covered. I also don't think this band has proven anything whatsoever except for their ability to play music that is 25-40 years old that was largely written in collaboration with a dominant creative force, Anderson, that is no longer there.

Those things said there is absolutely no doubt I'll listen to the new album if it comes out. If I like the music then I'll like it no matter what the band name on the cover says. If I think the new music is good and they play a bunch of it live then I'm also open to catching another gig if they come to my area. I definitely won't go to another nostalgia show unless Anderson is there to participate in the nostalgia. I might not go to another nostalgia show even with Anderson unless it is announced as a "farewell" tour.

I can't understand your logic. You appear to resent the remaining members of YES playing music that's partly written by Jon 25-40 years ago because he isn't in the line-up? What are they to do? Jon doesn't want to/can't be there. The rest of the band (HSW) want to work and have recruited two people who appear to care about YES music from the past and, hopefully, from the future. By your logic, the great orchestras of the world shouldn't be playing the great work of the likes of Stravinsky, Brahms, Beethoven or Strauss as they didn't write them!
Secondly, can you make up your mind about whether you'll go and see a new incarnation of YES with new material or not, as you've contradicted yourself in your last two sentences?

[Mind Driver]

Ok guys, this is headed for " Shutup! No, YOU shutup ! " territory.
How about we split the hair, shake hands...?

Yes, as some know it and love it, is gone.
Yes, in some form, is still around.
Very few would actually choose this ITP lineup
over the classic, imo, but it's the only game in town currently.

If you approve, go shake yer booty.
If you don't, stay home and play yer rekkids.

We now have Troopers, Westies, and ITP eras.
You can be, and are still a YF, no matter which eras you
do or don't support.

K


Great post, and I agree completely.

[JustAFan]

Just a question, would you rather that YES died after Tormato, or even Drama, rather than become pop sellouts? I'm all for the guys making more money and everything, but what the 80's did to YES' image just wasn't right. (To me, of course). How can a band so sacred go from their best album, Tales From Topographic Oceans, and then turn around and make a piece of garbage called Big Generator? (No flaming, please :D)
Yes die with grace, or ruin their image with disgraceful music videos like, "Owner of a Lonely Heart"


Damn, I voted before I read this insane post. Can I change my vote? I really liked the Rabin era. Talk, is one of my favorite albums.

I did vote that the band should have died gracefully. No new music, just a replacement. I did enjoy the show here recently, and I probably would buy a new album with this lineup. Wait, I know I would. We'll see. And so it goes.

[Lifeseeker66]

I voted "no".... Drama and 1980 was just a blemish on the face of this great band. The Yes-West years, while not their best, were pivotal years for the survival of Yes in a changing musical landscape. EVERYBODY was modifying their sound to the 80's... Genesis... Chicago... The Moody Blues... just to name a few. If you didn't sound more 80'sish you just weren't going to get air play.

On the other hand, I wish "Yes" had "retired" just before ITP, and the guys used a different name for this grouping. Since that hasn't happened, and Jon and Rick are obviously not happy with "Yes", I do wish now that they had died more gracefully. Thanks, Chris (mainly b/c he comes off as the spokesperson, so he has to take the heat).

[JustAFan]

After Led Zeppelin did their reunion gig a couple of years ago, Jimmy Page so wanted to tour, but Robert blew that out of the water. Anyway, John, Jimmy and Jason TRIED to find someone, ANYONE, including Steven Tyler to join the band.

Jimmy said that the band, WITHOUT Robert could NOT be called, Led Zeppelin. As everyone now knows, nothing worked, and the idea folded.

Heck, even the guys in Black Sabbath decided that without Ozzy, they could no longer use that name without him, so they are now, Heaven & Hell.

So, I kind of wish that would have happened here, that the guys would have just decided that without Jon, they could not be called, YES.

I remember people went bonkers when Paul Rodgers joined Brian May and Roger Taylor, without John Deacon and called themselves Queen + Paul Rodgers. I grumbled, too, but went to one of the shows and bought the new album, which is good, by the way.

And I'm still unhappy that Pete and Roger tour as The Who, and I wish that Genesis had not done their recent tour without Peter Gabriel, like they wanted to do in the first place. I went to that show, too.

I even remember way back that their was some kind of talk, it may have been rumors, I can't recall, that George, Paul and Ringo get the Beatles together with Julian Lennon. Now the reaction to THAT would have been like a nuclear blast!

I guess I don't know what the right answer is, I just know what I prefer.

[Frumious B]

I can't understand your logic. You appear to resent the remaining members of YES playing music that's partly written by Jon 25-40 years ago because he isn't in the line-up? What are they to do? Jon doesn't want to/can't be there.

We don't actually know that.

The rest of the band (HSW) want to work and have recruited two people who appear to care about YES music from the past and, hopefully, from the future. By your logic, the great orchestras of the world shouldn't be playing the great work of the likes of Stravinsky, Brahms, Beethoven or Strauss as they didn't write them!

An orchestra playing the the music of Igor Stravinsky doesn't bill itself as Igor Stravinksy.

Secondly, can you make up your mind about whether you'll go and see a new incarnation of YES with new material or not, as you've contradicted yourself in your last two sentences?

I haven't contradicted myself at all.

New band:

1. The new band puts out an album I like and showcases it extensively live. I'm there.
2. The new band puts out an album I don't like and plays most of it. Skip.
3. The new band either puts out an album and ignores it in the set or doesn't put out an album at all and just tours the catalog some more. Skip.
4. "Farewell" tour. Skip.

With Jon:

1. Good new album included in the live set. I'm there.
2. Bad new album included extensively in the live set. Skip.
3. New album not included in the live set or no new album. Flip a coin. I might go, but that decision would also be based on what selections are being played, the venue at which the band is appearing, the night of the week of the gig and the cost of the tickets.
4. "Farewell" tour. I'm there.


So there are four possible scenarios. I will only see the new band in one out of the four. I would definitely see the band with Jon in two out of four while there's a 50/50 chance that I would see them in one of the situations I outlined. There is also one situation under which I would definitely see neither lineup.

[relayeire]

We don't actually know that.



An orchestra playing the the music of Igor Stravinsky doesn't bill itself as Igor Stravinksy.



I haven't contradicted myself at all.

New band:

1. The new band puts out an album I like and showcases it extensively live. I'm there.
2. The new band puts out an album I don't like and plays most of it. Skip.
3. The new band either puts out an album and ignores it in the set or doesn't put out an album at all and just tours the catalog some more. Skip.
4. "Farewell" tour. Skip.

With Jon:

1. Good new album included in the live set. I'm there.
2. Bad new album included extensively in the live set. Skip.
3. New album not included in the live set or no new album. Flip a coin. I might go, but that decision would also be based on what selections are being played, the venue at which the band is appearing, the night of the week of the gig and the cost of the tickets.
4. "Farewell" tour. I'm there.


So there are four possible scenarios. I will only see the new band in one out of the four. I would definitely see the band with Jon in two out of four while there's a 50/50 chance that I would see them in one of the situations I outlined. There is also one situation under which I would definitely see neither lineup.


Frummy, I want you to put some thought into this. For God's sake, man!

;-)

[jjp735i]

Sorry I can't vote on this one. I think Magnification is a great album, but I could live without the lounge singer(Beniot), but we'll see what happens. Never did like 90215 or Big Generator that much, but they all have there place in YES history.

Your also leaving out The Ladder and Talk, Key to Ascension I and II - which are Great albums. So if they quit after Drama, wow we would have lost out on some great music.

jjp

[Mind Driver]

Your also leaving out The Ladder and Talk, Key to Ascension I and II - which are Great albums. So if they quit after Drama, wow we would have lost out on some great music.

jjp

Yep.

[MorningGlory]

Yes totally and completely rule and folks who are just using THIS site and WHO do-not qualify as genuine and legitimate YES fans will be escorted to a revolving door...........

[MorningGlory]

If I had To pick one (and I don't ) It would be TALK YES really Kant put out a bad album (let alone a song) I will listen to TALK forever but If I had to pick only one... The band had trouble with UNION but It's better ....






















TALK

[wolfhound]

YES for me is doing as well now as it was during those albums I still haven't listened to : Ladder (?) Talk(?)

Actually, I think I have the Talk CD around somewhere. I tried listening to it when I first got a hold of it. Almost pitched it. Skipped thru the songs a couple months ago. Don't remember if I finally did pitch it.

Magnification is a solid CD. Sorry it didn't sell better.

I'm used to Rick leaving once in a while. Just hoping Jon's health continues to improve.

The cover singer is better than the lead singer on Drama.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Is it really all about the current guys calling the group YES? Big deal. Again, they called it YES in Drama, right?

[wolfhound]

duplicate post.

[Apollo 77]

We don't actually know that.



An orchestra playing the the music of Igor Stravinsky doesn't bill itself as Igor Stravinksy.



I haven't contradicted myself at all.

New band:

1. The new band puts out an album I like and showcases it extensively live. I'm there.
2. The new band puts out an album I don't like and plays most of it. Skip.
3. The new band either puts out an album and ignores it in the set or doesn't put out an album at all and just tours the catalog some more. Skip.
4. "Farewell" tour. Skip.

With Jon:

1. Good new album included in the live set. I'm there.
2. Bad new album included extensively in the live set. Skip.
3. New album not included in the live set or no new album. Flip a coin. I might go, but that decision would also be based on what selections are being played, the venue at which the band is appearing, the night of the week of the gig and the cost of the tickets.
4. "Farewell" tour. I'm there.


So there are four possible scenarios. I will only see the new band in one out of the four. I would definitely see the band with Jon in two out of four while there's a 50/50 chance that I would see them in one of the situations I outlined. There is also one situation under which I would definitely see neither lineup.

I still don't agree with your logic, but what the hell, everyone is entitled to their opinion even if I strongly disagree with that opinion.
For what it's worth, I'd tend to respect your stance a lot more than the numb-nuts who actually paid money to shout abuse at the Drama tour. I still think you're wrong though!

[Frumious B]

I still don't agree with your logic, but what the hell, everyone is entitled to their opinion even if I strongly disagree with that opinion.
For what it's worth, I'd tend to respect your stance a lot more than the numb-nuts who actually paid money to shout abuse at the Drama tour. I still think you're wrong though!

I haven't been to nearly as many shows as a lot of people here, but I've seen Yes (Yes proper: 10 shows, ABWH: 1 show, Howe, Squire and White with Benoit David and Oliver Wakeman: 1 show) more than I've seen any other band. The next closest would be U2 and Rush with four shows each. To a certain extent I almost feel as though I've had my fill. Since I've seen what I consider to be the "real deal" as far as Yes is concerned several times why would I care about a gig with subs covering musical ground that I've all ready seen performed better than admirably by what I consider to be a more authentic lineup? Of course it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the new lineup will carve out its own unique musical niche as a Yes incarnation via new music, but they haven't yet and I'm not terribly optimistic that they will.

[Mind Driver]

The cover singer is better than the lead singer on Drama.

On this, we completely agree.

[kirk]

On this, we completely agree.

Benoit covers Jon's material better than Trevor did,
but again, it comes down to artistic contribution.

Trevor was reportedly brought in for writing chores even
before Jon left (Henry ? Are you lurking ?).

K

[bondegezou]

Benoit covers Jon's material better than Trevor did,
but again, it comes down to artistic contribution.

Trevor was reportedly brought in for writing chores even
before Jon left (Henry ? Are you lurking ?).

You mean in 1980? When Horn and Downes started working with the band, they were led to believe that Anderson was still in the band and would be appearing at some point, yes.

Henry

[90125yes]

wolfhound http://www.yesfans.com/bluefusion/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.yesfans.com/showthread.php?p=1864135#post1864135)
The cover singer is better than the lead singer on Drama.

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the cover singer is not a cover singer

he is the current lead singer of YES

[pianozach]

Would you rather YES have died gracefully?

I hope the new line-up releases several new studio albums before another line-up change . . .

[Gemini]

I'd rather this thread die gracefully.

[gathernear]

I'd rather this thread die gracefully.

Same here.