Trivial questions about yesmusic that we kinda doubt have easy answers

[heishere]

i hesitate to start anything new since its probably somewhere on this site already, but here goes...

ever had a trivial question about a yessong? i do all the time, all the time, i guess cause i seem to live inside em alot of the time... maybe you whove read yesbooks or know them better can answer these, or else lay down right here your own puzzlers... i'll start with three from specific to general, but i could put thirty. if youve got one, lay it down!

1. are they real birds chirping, and what kind, before and after Close to the edge?
2. who is it that speaks in the middle of It Can Happen and what is he saying? whatever it is, it sounds so comforting...
3. have yesmembers always/ever had a say on their coverart?

[Orbert]

Useless half-answers:

1. I read somewhere about early Yes and these BBC sound-effects tapes that were somewhat ubiquitous in those days. The door slamming and running feet at the end of We Have Heaven are from these tapes as well. But I know I've read a reference to the numerous tapes of birds recorded in an aviary, which Eddie layered up for the intro/outro of Close to the Edge.

2. It's from some movie. That's something else I know I've read, and I'm sure it's in an FAQ somewhere.

3. You'd think, but probably not, knowing how involved Yes is in it's business.

[heishere]

Hey, thanks, Orbert! maybe halfanswers but enlightening nonetheless!

[podo]

Apparently the birds where recorded by Jon Anderson in sone riverside setting. What kind of birds I have no idea.

No idea what is said on It can happen, but I wish I knew

Yes, they have had a say. In fact the cover for Topograhic oceans is mostly on the basis of suggestions from the individual band members. I think the pyramid in the background was Jons request. Also, the snakes on Relayer are the request of Alan White, and the snakes are drawings of Alice Coopers snake

[Earl Grey]

Cover art is always an issue with the band. I've heard it said many times, that Howe is always first on the bus for another Roger Dean cover.

Other members of the band like to mix it up a bit, and so you get things like the GFTO cover from time to time...

I personally wish Roger Dean had done every YES cover, but that's just my personal opinion, and my opinion + fifty cents wont buy ya a cuppa joe! :ele::ele::ele:

[Silent_wings]

who is it that speaks in the middle of It Can Happen

http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/amy_faq.htm#misc

John Gielgud speaking in an extract from the play 'The Importance of Being Earnest'.

"Come, old boy, you had much better have the thing out at once." And then "Well, that is exactly what dentists always do. Now, go on! Tell me the whole thing."

[RickyG]

1. are they real birds chirping, and what kind, before and after Close to the edge?
As has been said, yes, they are real. What species they are in fact has long been one of my unanswered YES trivia questions!! I know I heard a bird once and identified it as being a CTTE bird... though at the moment I'm not sure what it was so I don't want to say what I think it might be, would have to re-listen. There must be some bird enthusiasts around here that have sorted this out!!! Sorry for this completely worthless answer!


3. have yesmembers always/ever had a say on their coverart?
In addition to what Earl Grey said about the temple on TFTO, there are desert markings from Nazca that were suggested by Alan. I'd tell you what the temple is, but it's part of a trivia quiz that I posted in the "GAMES" section that has been entirely ignored!! (A trivia quiz with a real prize of quality music no less - and it's still been ignored!!! :crybby: )

Also, Fragile cover: original idea from the band was to have a broken plate. And Roger's idea was to have a miniature world. So Roger compromises and creates a planet (round like a plate) and then breaks it on the back cover!

Tormato, original Steve's idea album title "Tor". Hence the actual picture of a tor in the background on the cover, and the topographic maps on the inner sleeve.

PS - I love this sort of trivia!! Please ask more of your 30 questions!!

[pedro skychaser]

tfto features members star signs in the constellations-is it a mexican temple?do i win a prize?looking forward to rogers books to come out+explain all!!



petermcguiness.tripod.com

[Bugeyes]

Rick said he didn't like the Tormato cover when he threw the tomato at it. :shrug: Maybe? He wanted his butt on the cover again. :lmao: Maybe?

I could happen, really, maybe.

No, I'm not serious. Sorry.

[RickyG]

tfto features members star signs in the constellations-is it a mexican temple?do i win a prize?looking forward to rogers books to come out+explain all!!



To win the prize you've got to go over to the GAMES forum, find the thread and answer all three questions!! And anyway "Mexican temple" would not be an acceptable answer.

Are Roger's books being re-issued? Unless he is writing something new, the old ones don't explain all.... but they do explain some.

[heishere]

thanks for the amazing and enlightening answers to my first three trivia questions. while we're waiting for someone else to ask a few, let me invite everybody to three more rounds on me...

1. Who's "Bobby Dread"? or who's he supposed to be? (Teakbois, ABWH)
2. In who's handwriting are the titles on Yes Highlights (The Very Best of Yes)?
3. Has anyone heard if John Lennon ever had any reaction to having his lyrics "All we are saying, is give peace a chance" in I've seen all good people?
4. And here's a real general one, that i confess i should probably know, but just don't: how can one tell who is the author (poet) of any given yessong, when the credits often include two or three or more yesmembers? could they possibly all have had a hand in the lyrics? (obviously the music itself is a group project, but the lyrics?) please forgive my ignorance

[The Whale]

3. Has anyone heard if John Lennon ever had any reaction to having his lyrics "All we are saying, is give peace a chance" in I've seen all good people?


Since Alan White was in the Plastic Ono Band when they recorded it I don't think he would have minded. Not to mention the work Alan did on the Imagin album, I'm sure John was happy about it.

[fovman]

1. are they real birds chirping, and what kind, before and after Close to the edge?

content.....a variety of bird species in a forest or jungle

Wakeman also double-tracks piano triplet trills (tonic-fifth-octave)
.....tape speed doubled

My guess is that the birds are from a sound library. Possibly the BBC Sound Library which I have. I listened to all the bird selections......some sound like CTTE.

I could sample a layered recording from that library that would sound like CTTE intro f/x

[Jackaranda]

I did a thread on #2 once....the "mystery voice".

[pedro skychaser]

1 bobby dread is the name jon uses to book into hotels(precious)
2 no idea
3 said to be fan of YES,as relayed by yoko to alan....macca was in studio to hear demoes of Rythm of Love
4 errmmm...only jon can write stuff like, "total mass retain"

[inside_out]

3. Yes, John was ok with it.

[pedro skychaser]

more trivia...

1. what band did rick wakeman tour australia with (besides YES)??
2. on the 2nd buggles cd,what is chris squire credited with??
3 what subsequently vanished off the cover of "the steve howe album"???

prize......a warm,inner glow.

[Mind Driver]

4. And here's a real general one, that i confess i should probably know, but just don't: how can one tell who is the author (poet) of any given yessong, when the credits often include two or three or more yesmembers? could they possibly all have had a hand in the lyrics? (obviously the music itself is a group project, but the lyrics?) please forgive my ignorance

I've read in several books on Yes music that Jon comes up with all of the lyrics, but that information is only as good as it's author.

......but who else could come up with those lyrics?

[Yescelt]

I always assumed he was referring to Bob Marley. You know "Dread" ..."Dreadlocks".
The song was recorded in Montserrat and has a Caribbean feel.
More Calypso than reggae tho'...

Regards, Brian


1. Who's "Bobby Dread"? or who's he supposed to be? (Teakbois, ABWH)

[umgekehrt]

Trivial questions about yesmusic that we kinda doubt have easy answers
1. Why did Peter Banks leave
2. How much keyboards did Tony Kaye play in Talk?
3. Does Steve really hate Trevor?

[InverYes]

Tormato, original Steve's idea album title "Tor". Hence the actual picture of a tor in the background on the cover, and the topographic maps on the inner sleeve.



, and not just any old tor either.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.go4awalk.com/userpics/walkphotographs/stephendawson31.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.go4awalk.com/userpics/stephendawson31.php&h=300&w=400&sz=29&tbnid=1rO9NqMt8c86ZM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&hl=en&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dyes%2Btor%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr %3D%26sa%3DG

[RickyG]

Originally Posted by heishere
4. And here's a real general one, that i confess i should probably know, but just don't: how can one tell who is the author (poet) of any given yessong, when the credits often include two or three or more yesmembers? could they possibly all have had a hand in the lyrics? (obviously the music itself is a group project, but the lyrics?) please forgive my ignorance

I've read in several books on Yes music that Jon comes up with all of the lyrics, but that information is only as good as it's author.

......but who else could come up with those lyrics?

I don't think it is possible to sort out, beyond the credits, unless you read something definitive in an interview with a band member.

So based on such interviews, it appears that Steve Howe sometimes provided the seeds or partial lyrics for many things. For instance, the line "close to the edge, round by the corner" was from a song that Howe had written, which was combined with a song Jon was writing, when they collaborated and co-wrote the "close To The Edge" that we know.

Another example being To Be Over:

Steve wrote 'we go floating down the river', Jon changes it to 'we go drifting down the calming streams'.

So from interviews with Steve it would appear that he was happy to write rough lyrics and then give them to Jon for re-writing.

Also, all of the lyrics for Tales were credited to Anderson-Howe. HOWEVER, on the Rhino remaster, if you check the credits you will see that the lyric credit for The Ancient has been expanded to Anderson-Howe-Squire.
So maybe it was Chris who came up with the mysterious "naytheet"!!!

Wakeman has said that he co-wrote four songs on Tormato with Jon. (Even though he only receives writing credit on three songs. My guess is he almost certainly co-wrote Circus Of Heaven, and possibly Rejoice. I'm talking about the music here, not lyrics.) The point is that Rick also said "never trust the credits, they are all political".

Definitely don't believe the banket statements of some book.

[RickyG]

, and not just any old tor either.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.go4awalk.com/userpics/walkphotographs/stephendawson31.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.go4awalk.com/userpics/stephendawson31.php&h=300&w=400&sz=29&tbnid=1rO9NqMt8c86ZM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&hl=en&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dyes%2Btor%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr %3D%26sa%3DG

Inveryes, thanks for the link. Of course it says in the Tormato liner notes that there is a 'Yes Tor'. What I've always wondered is was it named after the band, or was it named for a different reason??

[RickyG]

1. Why did Peter Banks leave
2. How much keyboards did Tony Kaye play in Talk?
3. Does Steve really hate Trevor?

1. He was kicked out wasn't he? To quote Jon: 'Peter had a unique way of playing guitar that I liked very much, but he couldn't for some reason, fit in after a while. It got to the point where he didn't converse with anybody, and we had to drag him to rehearsals because he was too busy buying clothes.'
(from the Dan Hedges book.)

2. Not much. As he is only credited with Hammond organ and there is only what appears to be Hammond on maybe three tunes. Having said that, it doesn't even sound like a real Hammond to me - sounds like a digitally sampled Hammond sound. I generally don't much care for the idea of "band" albums where the band doesn't really exist. "Where Will You Be" is probably all Trevor plus Jon singing. Even the percussion is sterile programmed generic digital samples. If Rabin wasn't such a meglomaniac he could have let White do his own percussion arranging on that tune. And some of the bass sounds like digital synth bass. I'd have to listen to it again to see if there are any possible signs of Squire on that tune. (I actually really like that song, but wish it was played by a band, not a machine plus guitar overdubs.)

3. No Steve does not hate Trevor! Steve is not a hateful person. There is no reason why he would hate Trevor or any musician. Which doesn't mean that he loves him either! But who knows, and who really cares?

Far, far, far too much is made of, and speculated about who doesn't like who and who doesn't get along with who, and so and so is only doing it for the money etc, etc, etc ad nauseum....

I am absolutely certain that the five current "classic" members are well aware that they are "soul" brothers, that they always will be, that they owe their careers to each other, and that they have a very deep respect for and connection with each other. And also, like any family, they will not always agree, may even have fights and long standing annoyances with each other.

[InverYes]

Inveryes, thanks for the link. Of course it says in the Tormato liner notes that there is a 'Yes Tor'. What I've always wondered is was it named after the band, or was it named for a different reason??

My wife's from Devon. Hold on and I'll ask her.....

[Orbert]

2. Not much. As he is only credited with Hammond organ and there is only what appears to be Hammond on maybe three tunes. Having said that, it doesn't even sound like a real Hammond to me - sounds like a digitally sampled Hammond sound. I generally don't much care for the idea of "band" albums where the band doesn't really exist. "Where Will You Be" is probably all Trevor plus Jon singing. Even the percussion is sterile programmed generic digital samples. If Rabin wasn't such a meglomaniac he could have let White do his own percussion arranging on that tune. And some of the bass sounds like digital synth bass. I'd have to listen to it again to see if there are any possible signs of Squire on that tune. (I actually really like that song, but wish it was played by a band, not a machine plus guitar overdubs.)
I've read that Talk began life as a Trevor solo album, and he was "persuaded" by the suits to allow them to release it as a Yes album, so that it would make them - oops, I mean everyone - more money. This would explain why it basically is a Trevor solo album with Yes on the cover.

[pedro skychaser]

1. Why did Peter Banks leave
2. How much keyboards did Tony Kaye play in Talk?
3. Does Steve really hate Trevor?


1 to free his time up to write poison pen letters
2 trevor let him unpack the hammond organ
3 not at all,he's hoping to reform GTR with him.

[The Whale]

3 not at all,he's hoping to reform GTR with him.


Is this your sick idea of humor or are do you just like teasing us?

[MrZuLu]

1. Why did Peter Banks leave
2. How much keyboards did Tony Kaye play in Talk?
3. Does Steve really hate Trevor?
When I saw Talk at the Gorge in George, wa Kaye played on every tune and then some

[Bugeyes]

I know why Wakeman wears a cape. Any challengers?

[MrZuLu]

The Druids mention YesTor... it is ancient

[Orbert]

I know why Wakeman wears a cape. Any challengers?
I heard (second or third hand) that it's because he thought he looked kinda goofy reaching around to play the various keyboards, and thought that a cape would not only add mystique (hey, it was the 70's), but also conceal most of his body movements, of which he was very self-conscious.

[Bugeyes]

Yes, that it's Orbert. Wakeman didn't like being described as an octopus.

[sniggly]

The Druids mention YesTor... it is ancient
The druids!!!

"In ancient times, hundreds of years before the dawn of history, an ancient race of people... the Druids. No one knows who they were or what they were doing... "-Nigel Tufnel

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[Orbert]

Of course we know what they were doing. They played guitar, and danced around little 11-inch models of Stonehenge!

[Steve St Thomas]

2. Not much. As he is only credited with Hammond organ and there is only what appears to be Hammond on maybe three tunes. Having said that, it doesn't even sound like a real Hammond to me - sounds like a digitally sampled Hammond sound. I generally don't much care for the idea of "band" albums where the band doesn't really exist. "Where Will You Be" is probably all Trevor plus Jon singing. Even the percussion is sterile programmed generic digital samples. If Rabin wasn't such a meglomaniac he could have let White do his own percussion arranging on that tune. And some of the bass sounds like digital synth bass. I'd have to listen to it again to see if there are any possible signs of Squire on that tune. (I actually really like that song, but wish it was played by a band, not a machine plus guitar overdubs.)

Yes, quite the shame, considering Rabin wanted the material rehearsed before going into the studio, making the backing tracks essentially ''LIVE'', rather than how it was all put together -- time constraints, management, red tape. You know....

3. No Steve does not hate Trevor! Steve is not a hateful person. There is no reason why he would hate Trevor or any musician. Which doesn't mean that he loves him either! But who knows, and who really cares?

Far, far, far too much is made of, and speculated about who doesn't like who and who doesn't get along with who, and so and so is only doing it for the money etc, etc, etc ad nauseum....

Good thing you're keeping it alive by this statement then
''If Rabin wasn't such a meglomaniac he could have let White do his own percussion arranging on that tune.''

Please refer back to Rabin wanted TALK to be rehearsed first before recording.

Apologies --- resisted for a day or so, then just went for it. Nothing personal. Was kind of disappointed with allmusic's summation of Yes's chart career, where BIG UP's are made of 'Classic Yes's' chart placings, but when it got to 90125 and Big Generator, no chart placings were mentioned, it was said they were successful, and Generator was moderately successful, and then the person zoomed in on GTR mentioning where it placed in the charts....

Completely leaving out 90125's and Big Generator's multi-Platinum status when they were issued. It took like, almost 25 years for The Yes Album to go Platinum. But to this guy at allmusic, all that mattered was that it made # in the chart. Ah well. History's funny like that.

[RickyG]

Good thing you're keeping it alive by this statement then
''If Rabin wasn't such a meglomaniac he could have let White do his own percussion arranging on that tune.''

Please refer back to Rabin wanted TALK to be rehearsed first before recording.

Well I didn't know that Rabin actually wanted to rehearse it with the band and record it with the band playing together in the studio. So now I do know that. (Assuming you aren't just making this up in your endless defense of Trevor!!! Laugh OK, it was a joke!)

Anyway, I didn't say or speculate that Trevor hated anyone or didn't get along with Alan etc... I simply stated that he was a megalomaniac!! Which he is. ("Feelings of personal omnipotence") He wouldn't do what he does if he didn't have a bit of that. Frank Zappa was a megalomaniac by his own admission. I am a megalomaniac when I create my own albums. It's not necesarily a bad thing. Only if you are supposed to be a band and you are not giving space to the other musicians to make their own contributions. Which is the way it APPEARS when you listen to that album and read the liner notes.

But please let's not ressurect the Rabin issues over here. (I should probably refrain from even making this post!!!)

[umgekehrt]

Rabin said in an interview (see YesYears) that when he writes a song and makes a demo of it, it's more or less finished. And he always has a certain idea of how the song should sound like. Of course the other Yes members would chip in and in some ways I think Rabin caved and incorporated some of their ideas, but mostly he would insist that the songs should stay his way and not changed too much. I think the other ones are just not so used to this method of work, that's all.

[podo]

Rabin said in an interview (see YesYears) that when he writes a song and makes a demo of it, it's more or less finished. And he always has a certain idea of how the song should sound like. Of course the other Yes members would chip in and in some ways I think Rabin caved and incorporated some of their ideas, but mostly he would insist that the songs should stay his way and not changed too much. I think the other ones are just not so used to this method of work, that's all.


He also said that when your a songwriter there are only two ways to do a song " Your way or the wrong way" Possibly true, but in a band situation thats reeks of meglomania.. Sorry, off topic..

[Steve St Thomas]

He also said that when your a songwriter there are only two ways to do a song " Your way or the wrong way" Possibly true, but in a band situation thats reeks of meglomania.. Sorry, off topic..

OFF TOPIC --

but he could have just as easily been talking about The Suits, or The Industry, more than working with Yes. Just a thought. I just know that Owner of a Lonely Heart Rabin demo sounds a lot different to the final version once Horn & Squire had a go. ;)

BACK ON TOPIC:
;)

[sniggly]

Sheesh!
you rabinites will sneak onto any board and lead the discussion that way!!
honestly sneak back on over to the other thread!

[podo]

no sneeking intended. Im a big fan of Rabin, and think the Rabin years of Yes are just as valid as the others. Not a big fan of Talk ( the Rabin solo album) but that quite rightly belongs in another thread

[umgekehrt]

The darndest thing is that when Steve said "Back on topic" we then see right underneath it the very picture of Mr. Haselhoff. How's that for going back on topic?

[Steve St Thomas]

The darndest thing is that when Steve said "Back on topic" we then see right underneath it the very picture of Mr. Haselhoff. How's that for going back on topic?

Yea! Ironic init!

But my answer did answer one of those trivial things related to TALK, and Ricky noted that he didn't know that thing, which may reduce the observation of megalomania in a particular past band member. But I just don't see how 4 people would actively stay in a band that had one megalomaniac in it. 4 against 1, I think they'd kick him out!!!! So he musta been doing something right. Back off on topic, praise Hasselhoff.

[fovman]

I know why Wakeman wears a cape. Any challengers?

Because his manager said it makes him look less clumbsy on on his feet on stage....a cape allows him to appear to flow.

[Bugeyes]

Yes, fovman, that is pretty much the reason. I heard Wakeman read a review where he was described as an octopus in the performance the night before. The very next night, he spent all of his money (the week's worth he had just received and was still in his pocket) to buy the cape from that evening's emcee.I heard (second or third hand) that it's because he thought he looked kinda goofy reaching around to play the various keyboards, and thought that a cape would not only add mystique (hey, it was the 70's), but also conceal most of his body movements, of which he was very self-conscious.
Yes, that it's Orbert. Wakeman didn't like being described as an octopus.

[pedro skychaser]

more trivia...

1. what band did rick wakeman tour australia with (besides YES)??
2. on the 2nd buggles cd,what is chris squire credited with??
3 what subsequently vanished off the cover of "the steve howe album"???

prize......a warm,inner glow.

too hard????here's an easy one.....
1. why has alan gone down to brazil?(seriously i'd like to know!!)


its a universal fact that rocks can float!

[Internaut]

more trivia...

1. what band did rick wakeman tour australia with (besides YES)??

prize......a warm,inner glow.

Rick toured with the English Rock Ensemble, and Sky

[pedro skychaser]

well done tecladista,ole!!!sky was the one,john williams is an aussie,rick played on ALL the royal golf courses&went on bender with uk actor for 2 weeks @ end....rick appeared on holst album by one of them too i think....anyhoo what leads alan to rio????
1 a cure for cancer in the amazon?
2 a new kind of drum?
3 a saucy,leggy mardi gras dancer?

[True Believer]

well done tecladista,ole!!!sky was the one,john williams is an aussie,rick played on ALL the royal golf courses&went on bender with uk actor for 2 weeks @ end....rick appeared on holst album by one of them too i think....anyhoo what leads alan to rio????
1 a cure for cancer in the amazon?
2 a new kind of drum?
3 a saucy,leggy mardi gras dancer?

I heard that his wife won a trip in a raffle.

[BrianD]

well done tecladista,ole!!!sky was the one,john williams is an aussie,rick played on ALL the royal golf courses&went on bender with uk actor for 2 weeks @ end....rick appeared on holst album by one of them too i think....anyhoo what leads alan to rio????
1 a cure for cancer in the amazon?
2 a new kind of drum?
3 a saucy,leggy mardi gras dancer?

A few corrections and clarifications

At the time Rick toured with Sky in 1985, John Williams was no longer in the group.
He appeared on Kevin Peek's Holst album which they recorded in Perth WA
He went on a bender with Robin Nedwell but that was after the Journey tour ten years earlier - 1975.

[Internaut]

well done tecladista,ole!!!sky was the one,john williams is an aussie,rick played on ALL the royal golf courses&went on bender with uk actor for 2 weeks @ end....rick appeared on holst album by one of them too i think....anyhoo what leads alan to rio????
1 a cure for cancer in the amazon?
2 a new kind of drum?
3 a saucy,leggy mardi gras dancer?

Perhaps Alan is there to cheer on his favorite football team, Flamengo. Maybe it is to see ther Rolling Stones concert on Copacabana beach next saturday... 1 1/2 million expected for the free show in front of the Copacabana Palace hotel!!!

Oh, I know it's almost Carnaval!!!

[heishere]

ok, three more:

1) just what is "judar" rhythm?
2) does a real harpsichord ever get used on any recordings, or is it all electronics?
3) what in the world is this CD I'm holding in my hand, titled "Anderson Wakeman Howe" with subtitle "original members of yes"? I bought it at dollar general for $5 new! and i swear its not jon, not rick, not steve. the cuts are roundabout, magic love (!!), going, going gone, and you and i , longdistance runaround, gimmie love (!), oriental iceman (!!!), it's all over now, baby blue (!!!!) and Merlin the Magician. The production quality is atrocious. Issued by "KRB music corporation" (isbn 7-41914-81172-5) it's so bad that the entire pressrun should be gathered up and used as skeet. how did it ever come to be?

[Orbert]

what in the world is this CD I'm holding in my hand, titled "Anderson Wakeman Howe" with subtitle "original members of yes"? I bought it at dollar general for $5 new! and i swear its not jon, not rick, not steve. the cuts are roundabout, magic love (!!), going, going gone, and you and i , longdistance runaround, gimmie love (!), oriental iceman (!!!), it's all over now, baby blue (!!!!) and Merlin the Magician. The production quality is atrocious. Issued by "KRB music corporation" (isbn 7-41914-81172-5) it's so bad that the entire pressrun should be gathered up and used as skeet. how did it ever come to be?It sounds like a cheesy ripoff album, not unlike the many "greatest hits" travesties that get released against the band's wishes because they have no power to stop them. Someone got ahold of some tapes and put them out there, but no way is it an "official" release.

On the other hand, it does sound interesting. I'd probably check it out if I saw it.

[RickyG]

ok, three more:

1) just what is "judar" rhythm?
2) does a real harpsichord ever get used on any recordings, or is it all electronics?
3) what in the world is this CD I'm holding in my hand, titled "Anderson Wakeman Howe" with subtitle "original members of yes"? I bought it at dollar general for $5 new! and i swear its not jon, not rick, not steve. the cuts are roundabout, magic love (!!), going, going gone, and you and i , longdistance runaround, gimmie love (!), oriental iceman (!!!), it's all over now, baby blue (!!!!) and Merlin the Magician. The production quality is atrocious. Issued by "KRB music corporation" (isbn 7-41914-81172-5) it's so bad that the entire pressrun should be gathered up and used as skeet. how did it ever come to be?

1) Where are you getting this "judar" rhythm from?? Sounds like it could a middle eastern rhythm cycle but that's totally a guess as I don't know the context you are quoting it from.

2) Real harpsichord on Madrigal. And also real harpsichord on Siberian Khatru studio version. Compare it to the live YESSONGS version and you will hear that early 70's Rocksichord keyboard version. (If memory serves, that is what he used live on that, not the clavinet.)

3) Judging by the titles it's a compilation of tracks from various AWH solo albums. I saw that once in a store too. I think Oriental Iceman is a Wakeman tune... All Over Now Baby Blue is of course Bob Dylan song. Howe did it on his Portraits Of Dylan album with Annie Haslam singing. Howe's Portraits of Dylan is a very good album, several gems on it.

What's sad is that the record labels have no respect for the music and musicians (what else is new?!)... and more importantly that they have to sign contracts that allow this sort of thing. (They don't HAVE to sign it... but maybe the labels won't give them contracts otherwise. Or they have weak lawyers...?)

[RickyG]

PS - Ok, I found the reference to "Judar rhythm" in the FACE TO FACE lyrics.... and I don't have a clue. A brief Google search reveals thousands of "Judar" references, many in foreign languages and many regarding Judar Pasha a military leader from the 1500's.

Someone else have any idea?? Or do we put this in the "unknown" file along with Naytheet??!

[fovman]

2) Real harpsichord on Madrigal. And also real harpsichord on Siberian Khatru studio version. Compare it to the live YESSONGS version and you will hear that early 70's Rocksichord keyboard version. (If memory serves, that is what he used live on that, not the clavinet.)

Rick used the "RMI Electra Piano & Harpsichord" on stage and studio in the early years. The RMI was used on the recording, "Cans and Brahms".

http://www.synthmuseum.com/rmi/rmiele30001.html

[RickyG]

Rick used the "RMI Electra Piano & Harpsichord" on stage and studio in the early years. The RMI was used on the recording, "Cans and Brahms".

http://www.synthmuseum.com/rmi/rmiele30001.html


Yes you are right - my memory only partially accurate. Though just for general info, the Rocksichord was also made by RMI and was an electric harpsichord too. And I am pretty sure there are credits for it's use on some early Wakeman albums.

The harpsichord solo on studio Khatru I still think almost certainly is a real harpsichord though.

[pedro skychaser]

Perhaps Alan is there to cheer on his favorite football team, Flamengo. Maybe it is to see ther Rolling Stones concert on Copacabana beach next saturday... 1 1/2 million expected for the free show in front of the Copacabana Palace hotel!!!

Oh, I know it's almost Carnaval!!!

thought astro was a seahawks fan?watched the copoacabana beach gig
on the net(thanks aol)and couldn't spot him sidestage checking charlie out.
will he bring back rumba rythms to match rick's cuban influence...i can smell some intriguing developments...steve plays vacchalia,jon does his "xfm spanish"heehee+fishy mixes margharitas...ole...new si album...todo terrifico...

pedro maginas.tripodi . comosara

[Orbert]

The harpsichord solo on studio Khatru I still think almost certainly is a real harpsichord though.
Sure sounds like it to me. I didn't think synthetic harpsichords were that good back then. Actually, they're not that good now. I've played the RMI, and it sounds kinda like a harpsichord, but mostly like a synthetic harpsichord. The way synth strings kinda sound like real strings, but mostly sound like synthetic strings.

[JL]

Sure sounds like it to me. I didn't think synthetic harpsichords were that good back then. Actually, they're not that good now. I've played the RMI, and it sounds kinda like a harpsichord, but mostly like a synthetic harpsichord. The way synth strings kinda sound like real strings, but mostly sound like synthetic strings.

In the one opportunity I've had to play a real harpsichord, I was amazed at how little the harpsichord settings on my Korg and Yamaha keyboards sounded like the real thing.

My Korg SP-300 has great, realistic piano and vibe sounds. The "harpsichord" setting sounds very nice, it just doesn't sound like a harpsichord.

[Orbert]

In the one opportunity I've had to play a real harpsichord, I was amazed at how little the harpsichord settings on my Korg and Yamaha keyboards sounded like the real thing.

My Korg SP-300 has great, realistic piano and vibe sounds. The "harpsichord" setting sounds very nice, it just doesn't sound like a harpsichord.
I suspect that there's more demand for piano and vibe than for harpsichord sounds, so they actually spend some time and money coming up with decent piano and vibe patches, while "harpsichord" just has to go plink! and people go "ah, harpsichord". Not because it sounds like a harpsichord, but because it sounds more like a harpsichord than anything else. Or because it sounds like a synth harpsichord (because that's what it is) and people recognize what it's supposed to sound like.

That was kinda my point with string patches. When you hear synth strings in a song, no one's going to be fooled into thinking there's a real string section playing, but if it sounds nice and rich and full, it doesn't matter. It evokes real strings, and that's all it has to do.

[heishere]

yeah i suppose but i know a guy who built a harpsichord from scratch and it really did go plinkplink and ya closed yer eyes and you were a couple centuries behind

[fovman]

Harpsichord is a simpler, easier and more realistic replication on synth or sampler than are pianos. Harpsichord has a uniform volume and attack and a short decay compared to piano which requires many multi samples for many ADSR variances and different volumes.

ADSR= Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release

[heishere]

new question: i seem to remember stephen hill's syndicated national hearts of space (new age/space music) radio program featuring yes music once... this would have been within the last three years... of course it could have been a repeat program... anyway, my question: anybody know if i'm right? or was i dreaming?

has yes ever made it into hearts of space?
(if it has, it raises numberous questions of genre, doesn't it?)
i don't remember the songs, just remember knowing it was yes...
if i'm right, wonder what songs...

[pianozach]

3 what subsequently vanished off the cover of "the steve howe album"???

prize......a warm,inner glow.
Ooo, oo!

It was the dead body floating in the soundstage pool!

I have original LPs of Steve's first two LPs. They have been played, but are otherwise in excellent condition. I also have orginal Jon Anderson "Olias of Sunhillow," (with the amazing 6 page cover) "Song of Seven" and "Animation."

How much are they all worth?

:1loudspkr

[Orbert]

I have original LPs of Steve's first two LPs. They have been played, but are otherwise in excellent condition. I also have orginal Jon Anderson "Olias of Sunhillow," (with the amazing 6 page cover) "Song of Seven" and "Animation."

How much are they all worth?
The best answer I've ever heard to that question is "whatever someone is willing to pay"

[pianozach]

The best answer I've ever heard to that question is "whatever someone is willing to pay"
Well, seeing as how "Animation" has STILL NOT been released on CD (and it's far superior to "Song of Seven," IMO), I'd say it could fetch a higher than average price.

Same with original artwork CDs ("the steve howe album", and "Olias of Sunhillow").

[pedro skychaser]

[QUOTE=pianozach]Ooo, oo!

It was the dead body floating in the soundstage pool!

I have original LPs of Steve's first two LPs. ...

congrats.Pzac....indeed someone moved the body,a case for hercule poirot???
remaining question...
what is chris squire creditted with on 2nd buggles album,"adventures in modern recording"+no,it isnt a heavy 4 stringed instrument.


BTW roger is getting experienced cartoonist to draw characters in "floating islands" as its not his strong suit.

[pedro skychaser]

BUMPITTY BUMP....
what is chris squire creditted with on 2nd buggles album,"adventures in modern recording"+no,it isnt a heavy 4 stringed instrument.

"the glasses lie smashed on the turf+vectors race across soundboards"