the revolving door

[Rabin105]

I figured I'd get some clarfication on a few different Yes related items

Bruce Gowdy i have seen yes pages that have him being the guitarist of a yes of Sherwood Kaye White and Squire in 89 i also have people saying he was just associate so honestly who he is has he ever played with yes and if so why was he repalcing rabin did Chris not want Rabin to do a solo tour or what?

Another 1989 question repordatly Yes tried out a lot of different voaclists I have heard Steve walsh (of kansas) was with yes for about a day and heard (again allegations and rumours) that Say Sherwood was 'sworn in' so to speak and became the third lead vocalist of yes aslo other have said Hodgeson tried out can anyone elaborate on this and were there any surving demoes of Sherwood singing lead vocals (also did they try them out on classic yes or new songs)


Steve howe repordatky said in 1984 "I've played with Trevor (rabin) before so i know what he's like he is fast I don't just mean a fast player but fast to pick up new ideas" so uhm hwo i mean heard the trevor was being considerd for the lead vocalist/guitarst spot in asia but i didn't think he evn tried out with the band also what involvment did trevor rabin have in ABWH

Did yes everpreform with Just Billy sherwood and was he brought in as rick wakeman's replacment or as another guitarist?

and there are rumours surrouinding tony's involement in Fragile, peter's involment in the yes album. are there any truth to these rumours or?


Thanks
Danny "a fellow Yesbuster" K

yesbuster a term for yesfans who dispell yes rumours much like mythbusters who dispel myths

[smatt]

Have no idea, about any of this ..... I guess you'll just you'll just have have to buy my book when it comes out when my book comes out. All of those all well as many Yes mystery questions will be answered .... ;)

[Rabin105]

Have no idea, about any of this ..... I guess you'll just you'll just have have to buy my book when it comes out when my book comes out. All of those all well as many Yes mystery questions will be answered .... ;)


thanks for the help anyone else

[BlueEagle]

After Jon left in 1987, for all practical purposes there was no YES until the misbegotten CINEMABWH (ONION) album.

[Steve St Thomas]

The Steve Walsh one I think is true. I think I read he confirmed that.
Bruce Gowdy. Hmmmm. Not sure about that one.
Trevor Rabin and Asia? That's true. ABWH and Rabin? Hmmmm.
Hodgson and Yes? Might have been. Songs came out of it, so the possibility is there.

Banks and Kaye? I don't see why not. It's very possible songs that showed up after their departure could have been begun work on while they were still in the band. I don't see that being a non-possibility.

[PO]

Hodgsen was asked at one point but turned it down.

Steve Walsh did meet up and play (1990) after Anderson left post BG. They even started writing a song! But, the record company didn't want an American singer. So, it was one day only.

Gowdy worked with the band (along with Sherwood as both were in World Trade) after Anderson left post BG, too.

[cinderella]

Trevor Rabin and Asia? That's true. ABWH and Rabin? Hmmmm.


Trevor's solo album Can't Look Away, came out the same time as the ABWH album. The song Something To Hold On To from Trevor's album was #1 on AOR (Album Oriented Radio.) Arista was worried there would be a competition between the two.

The only thing Trevor had to do with the ABWH album was that he bought it.


The one about Trevor being asked to be in Asia is definitely true.
I heard it right from the horse's mouth. http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/biggrin.gif

[Rabin105]

Trevor's solo album Can't Look Away, came out the same time as the ABWH album. The song Something To Hold On To from Trevor's album was #1 on AOR (Album Oriented Radio.) Arista was worried there would be a competition between the two.

The only thing Trevor had to do with the ABWH album was that he bought it.


The one about Trevor being asked to be in Asia is definitely true.
I heard it right from the horse's mouth. http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/biggrin.gif
trevor wqas part of ABWH twice he has said in interview Jon wanted him on the first abwh album but he fel;t wierd as it was Steve's band and Jon wanted him for the second alubm which woun up becoming union (why can't they preform miracle of life)

[cinderella]

trevor wqas part of ABWH twice he has said in interview Jon wanted him on the first abwh album but he fel;t wierd as it was Steve's band and Jon wanted him for the second alubm which woun up becoming union

Well the fact that Jon wanted him on the first ABWH project doesn't mean that Trevor had anything to do with it. At least that's my interpretation.

Trevor said that Jon called him during the recording of the second ABWH album and told him he was looking for one more song. Trevor said he took it as Jon saying they needed a single. Trevor came up with three. He sent a letter to the record company saying " Choose one of these songs if you so desire; otherwise, please send the tape back."

Instead they chose all the songs and then they (meaning the "suits" as Trevor called them) decided they should put a reunion thing together. Thus the birth of Union.

[cinderella]

Thus the birth of Union.
Which I might add is a great album and it is unfairly maligned.

Trevor said it had some good stuff on it, but it was why it was done and how it was done "from a nineteenth-floor decision kind of thing", that upset him and he says he should have fought that.

Maybe if Rick Wakeman would have kept his mouth shut, more people wouldn't have formed such a bad opinion of the Union album or the tour.

I'm just sayin'.....

:offtopic: Sorry 'bout that.

[new_sum_do_solve_ay]

Which I might add is a great album and it is unfairly maligned.



See my post in the Bill Bruford thread: Prolific Percussion Master. Silent Talking is one of the best Yes songs imaginable. Few people understand it. That's kind of like a lot on this album. Thanks for coming out and saying that Cindi. I have always loved Union. I was kind of shocked to join Yesfans and discover all the negative comments about it. Its really good, despite even what Trevor thinks, though his tracks are quality too.

[BlueEagle]

Which I might add is a great album and it is unfairly maligned.
Sorry Cindy but UNION is FAIRLY maligned! In spite of good material, the use of studio players and the packaging it as a collaboration between the two camps makes it a FRAUD. It should come with a consumer warning label. The fact of a subsequent tour with all the players involved does mitigate the the bait-and-switch aspect of the record but what else could they do? As Bill said, the record was done for all the wrong reasons.

[cinderella]

Sorry Cindy but UNION is FAIRLY maligned!
In spite of good material, the use of studio players and the packaging it as a collaboration between the two camps makes it a FRAUD. It should come with a consumer warning label. The fact of a subsequent tour with all the players involved does mitigate the the bait-and-switch aspect of the record but what else could they do? As Bill said, the record was done for all the wrong reasons.

See!!! You even said it yourself. "In spite of good material."

I'm talking about the music being good, not the politics.
When I listen to an album I don't say..."Wow those people sure went about this the wrong way." I say, "Gee great songs."

I could easily say I don't like Big Generator cause they were all on drugs.

Who knows what crap goes on behind the scenes when albums are made.
Most of which you never hear about. If we did hear about it, no albums would ever get sold.

[JL]

Which I might add is a great album and it is unfairly maligned.

I disagree. The sad part is that it could have been great. The songs and talent were present in an abundance rarely seen in rock history. something just went horribly wrong.

[cinderella]

Something went wrong, but it wasn't the songs.

[BlueEagle]

See!!! You even said it yourself. "In spite of good material."

I'm talking about the music being good, not the politics.
When I listen to an album I don't say..."Wow those people sure went about this the wrong way." I say, "Gee great songs."
Well you are one of many here who have said that. To me, according to that reasoning, ANY group of musician who call themselves YES can produce a reasonably listenable piece of music and you would think it was great.
There's a big difference between "politics" and false advertizing.
And here's another question. If the UNION concept was so great, why didn't it continue? Ask Steve what HE thought of the marketing of TALK as a yes album.

[cinderella]

The Union thing was a one time thing. They couldn't get along.
As Trevor said they hired roadies, but they needed referees.

As for Steve, he can't speak for the public. Rick hated Tales.
They all have their reasons. I simply think the music is good and that's it.

I don't care what they did to get the album out or who liked it or who didn't. It's what I hear when I put the headphones on that will convince me if the album is good or not.

But then I'm a girly girl.......so what do I know. ;)

[Rabin105]

Well you are one of many here who have said that. To me, according to that reasoning, ANY group of musician who call themselves YES can produce a reasonably listenable piece of music and you would think it was great.
There's a big difference between "politics" and false advertizing.
And here's another question. If the UNION concept was so great, why didn't it continue? Ask Steve what HE thought of the marketing of TALK as a yes album.
well then ask Rick what he thought of 90125 the thing is Union was going to continue but Victory wanted a 5 member yes actually they want Rick Trevor Chris Alan and Jon and maybe tony the thing is Bill and Steve wanted to do a yes ablum (possibly as abwh side of thoings felt mis represnted and figured after such a great tour maybe we should continue this) but Victory said no dam bastards I mean union is a brilliant idea get the troopers to stop complainging "I miss steve" and still has the edgness" that rabin fans love and as for me every one of my favourite members on stage no dead weight just the 8 of them playing amazing music I'm in heaven (Sadly matt i think that will be the only place i will get to see that) the only thing beter was if iwass 9 me and the 8 that would rock i would speech less

[cinderella]

as for me every one of my favourite members on stage no dead weight just the 8 of them playing amazing music I'm in heaven

I'm so glad I got to see the Union tour and to see them all on stage together. To me it was quite amazing.

[wolfhound]

Me too ! I saw Union at the Great Western Forum in LA, and it kicked royal ass. Jon has commented on how 'Awaken' sounded that night. It was remarkable. While listening, I looked at the thousands of people just leaning forward and breathing, taking in every bit of the miracle. It was the best concert I've seen in my life !

[smatt]

I wa there as well Phil, it was a stunning version of Awaken... That whole show was yet anothr special night in my Yes experience cannon.....

:band:

[wolfhound]

Matt, with all the shows you've seen, can you identify one as the best ?

[smatt]

Matt, with all the shows you've seen, can you identify one as the best ?


To be honest no I can't POhil... I can naroow it down to a top 10 though, and LA Union in the Round (first leg) is in there for sure!

[Rabin105]

so back to the current topic

[smatt]

Uhhhhhhh, Hmmmmm :thinking:


Oh who's going to be in Yes next....

Who knows.....