judar rhythm?

[RABARKS]

Maybe this was answered on the rethinking the Ladder thread, but I'm too lazay to read through it!

So here's my question. What's judar rhythm (Face To Face)?
Maybe it's because I'm Duch, but I've never heard of it.

And why was the album called the Ladder, and why is that the "subtitle" for Homeworld, and what does this Longwalker on Nine Voices mean?
It's quite an enigmatic album, for me anyway...

But it's good! I prefer it over Magnification. It's a shame Igor had to leave, he was incredibly versatile (is that spelled right?) and competent. The only weak spot is Hep Yedda. :headset:

[blitzjg]

I love your take on The Ladder and your asking the same questions I would, So i will wait for someone to answer. And I only found this topic because I was looking at the Lyrics to Face to Face and saw a word I didn't know and google linked me here with the first page. Lol i thought that was amazing.

and who is Igor?

and what do you mean Hep Yedda?

[pedro skychaser]

Longwalkwer Is Native American Mentor Of Jon's -hep Yadda Is Jon's Hip Yadda Yadda Yadda Take On Seinfeld-ladder Is Meatphor For Climbing Up To Self-knowledge--igor Was Dropped After Sexual Assault Incident--judar Rythm--got Me---i Dif This Album--so Joyful---always Play It When I Walk The 2 Miles To My Inlaws House--quite The Tradition---

[90125yes]

this thread is getting confusing ......

time for a yawn

[Rick N Backer]

You're fighting a losing battle if you think you're going to get to the bottom of the meaning of Yes song lyrics, album titles and song titles! They mean exactly what you want them to mean. Simple as that really. 'Craving penetrations offer links to the self instructor's sharp and tender love, as we took to the air, a picture of distance' anyone? Case proved!

Good luck trying though.

[blitzjg]

Noooooooooo!

[Sharp on Attack]

John Lennon met Yoko Ono in 1965 at her Art exhibition where she was showing a ladder going up to the ceiling. Hanging to the ceiling was a magnifying glass and a tiny inkspot. If you used the magnifying glass to examine the inkspot, you could read this miniscule word "yes".

[Sharp on Attack]

Homeworld was the name of the videogame associated to the song.

[rmig68]

File it right next to Khatru. Sounds cool. Sounds like something an enightened mind should know, but then again you may need to take a handful of mushrooms and find your own Khatrudar Rhythm of Love thingy wingy.

...let us know what you find, ok?
http://www.nation.com.pk/uploads/news_image/large/Psychedelicmushroomsdomagicforhealth_715.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x150/paisleyskyes/mushrooms.jpg

http://meaningfuldistractions.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/psychedelic_wizard.jpg

[blitzjg]

Khatru means winter, wtf...

[Rick N Backer]

John Lennon met Yoko Ono in 1965 at her Art exhibition where she was showing a ladder going up to the ceiling. Hanging to the ceiling was a magnifying glass and a tiny inkspot. If you used the magnifying glass to examine the inkspot, you could read this miniscule word "yes".

So? I think 'yes' was a word in the dictionary before it was assigned to a rock group. At this rate you could assign a Yes meaning or reference to every single use of the word 'yes' in the English language!

[rmig68]

'Craving penetrations offer links to the self instructor's sharp and tender love, as we took to the air, a picture of distance' anyone?



Wait a minute, I got it. I got it.

...I don't have it.

Oh well, it sounded very good, inspiring and important to my psychedelic mind many years ago. Don't know exactly what it means, but by golly did it have a profound affect on me, which lasts as a positively ingrained molecule and part of a blueprint for insight into my spiritual and mental outlook on my life and place in the universe, as was probably it's intention.

Hope that helps.:hippy:

[blitzjg]

Wait a minute, I got it. I got it.

...I don't have it.

Oh well, it sounded very good, inspiring and important to my psychedelic mind many years ago. Don't know exactly what it means, but by golly did it have a profound affect on me, which lasts as a positively ingrained molecule and part of a blueprint for insight into my spiritual and mental outlook on my life and place in the universe, as was probably it's intention.

Hope that helps.:hippy:

That was beautiful, I hope you won't mind if I use that in my descriptions of Yes =D

[90125yes]

all a bit complicated for me this thread ???

[rmig68]

That was beautiful, I hope you won't mind if I use that in my descriptions of Yes =D

Sure, have at it.:beerchugr:

[Sharp on Attack]

So? I think 'yes' was a word in the dictionary before it was assigned to a rock group. At this rate you could assign a Yes meaning or reference to every single use of the word 'yes' in the English language!


Don't you think that this could have given Jon an idea for the names of the last 2 albums ?

[RickyG]

Maybe this was answered on the rethinking the Ladder thread, but I'm too lazay to read through it!

So here's my question. What's judar rhythm (Face To Face)?
Maybe it's because I'm Duch, but I've never heard of it.

And why was the album called the Ladder, and why is that the "subtitle" for Homeworld, and what does this Longwalker on Nine Voices mean?
It's quite an enigmatic album, for me anyway...

But it's good! I prefer it over Magnification. It's a shame Igor had to leave, he was incredibly versatile (is that spelled right?) and competent. The only weak spot is Hep Yedda. :headset:

Is RABARKS still with us? It's only been over three years before anyone replied to his questions!! ;)

"Judar" means "Jews" in Swedish, though my first thought was that maybe it was the name of a middle eastern or Hindustani rhythm cycle, like:

dadra = 6 beat cycle
rupak = 7
jhaptal = 10
charchar = 14
ardha jaital = 6 1/2

maybe it's the name of a rhythm cycle in traditional Jewish music?

[RickyG]

You're fighting a losing battle if you think you're going to get to the bottom of the meaning of Yes song lyrics, album titles and song titles! They mean exactly what you want them to mean. Simple as that really. 'Craving penetrations offer links to the self instructor's sharp and tender love, as we took to the air, a picture of distance' anyone? Case proved!

Good luck trying though.

There's a thread somewhere in the TFTO forum a few years back where we had a great discussion about the meaning of lyrics from that album. There are pretty clear meanings to alot of the lyrics.... and many of them can mean what you want them too. It is not all as "simple as that really"... really!

There can be alot of joy and wonder and self-discovery found in attempting to get to the bottom of classic YES lyrics. That is part of their power and greatness. And yet the very idea that there is a "bottom" to get to is a bit absurd. That is also a part of their power and greatness.

You want to know what 'Craving penetrations offer links to the self instructor's sharp and tender love, as we took to the air, a picture of distance' means?

I'd tell you but you wouldn't hear me. More likely you'd mock me. And besides if you don't receive the meaning directly from the lyrics themselves, no one else can really help you.

For additional insight see Rmig68:
Don't know exactly what it means, but by golly did it have a profound affect on me, which lasts as a positively ingrained molecule and part of a blueprint for insight into my spiritual and mental outlook on my life and place in the universe, as was probably it's intention.

Hope that helps.:hippy:
Classic YES lyrics are intended to work like this, and will, if you let them.

[rmig68]

There's a thread somewhere in the TFTO forum a few years back where we had a great discussion about the meaning of lyrics from that album. There are pretty clear meanings to alot of the lyrics.... and many of them can mean what you want them too. It is not all as "simple as that really"... really!

There can be alot of joy and wonder and self-discovery found in attempting to get to the bottom of classic YES lyrics. That is part of their power and greatness. And yet the very idea that there is a "bottom" to get to is a bit absurd. That is also a part of their power and greatness.

You want to know what 'Craving penetrations offer links to the self instructor's sharp and tender love, as we took to the air, a picture of distance' means?

I'd tell you but you wouldn't hear me. More likely you'd mock me. And besides if you don't receive the meaning directly from the lyrics themselves, no one else can really help you.

.

It dawned on me that Jon's lyrics aren't one thing. They morph and bend and twist, become clear and distant in an instant. They warp and modulate, then solidify and direct, around various corners.

Seeing the lyrical vibe is part of it too. I know this is abstract, but hidden in the stream of consciousness are islands of very simple to understand, common words about everyday things. Easy for anybody to understand, but then comes another wave, which may make your mind wander and wonder about the interconnectedness of ideas and emotions.

Enjoy the trip!

[cinderella]

and who is Igor?



Igor Khoroshev played keyboards for Yes from about 1997-2001. Played on the albums Open Your Eyes and The Ladder and the live album House of Yes: Live from House of Blues.

He was fired later after a controversy involving backstage sexual harassment here at the Nissan Pavilion near Washington, D.C.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Cinderella528/Trevor/IgorKhoroshev.jpg

[Rick N Backer]

You want to know what 'Craving penetrations offer links to the self instructor's sharp and tender love, as we took to the air, a picture of distance' means?

I'd tell you but you wouldn't hear me. More likely you'd mock me. And besides if you don't receive the meaning directly from the lyrics themselves, no one else can really help you.



Funny thing the internet. I meant one thing and you got a completely different meaning from it. I don't want to know what the line from TFTO means. I've spent more than 30 years enjoying them for what they are. I was making what I thought was a witty comment, but it clearly overshot you. You make a bold assumption in your reply that if you were to give me an interpretation I would mock you. I'm not sure where in my post that came across, but it wasn't what I meant.

Sometimes the subtleties of fun, mischief, irony and wit get lost in translation on this forum. Try not to take it all so personally. It wasn't what was typed in.

I do stand by my original thought - and I rely on Jon himself to support me in this - that there is often no real meaning to his lyrics. They really do - often- mean what the listener decides they mean. He said this in a TV interview from the early 70s that was repeated only last week on a BBC documentary.

I've always looked at the lyrics as collections of words that sound good together regardless of whether there is a real sense of what they mean on every occasion. This has always been the one major thing that separates lovers of Yes from haters of Yes - the so-called meaningless lyrics. I am in the former category, not the latter, and for me, part of the fun of Yes are Jon's words. Sometimes they're not to be taken so seriously. Neither is every post you read on here.

[Rick N Backer]

Don't you think that this could have given Jon an idea for the names of the last 2 albums ?

I did note your use of the words 'ladder' and 'magnify' in the post, but, no, I don't think so! On the other hand...........

[RickyG]

Funny thing the internet. I meant one thing and you got a completely different meaning from it. I don't want to know what the line from TFTO means. I've spent more than 30 years enjoying them for what they are. I was making what I thought was a witty comment, but it clearly overshot you. You make a bold assumption in your reply that if you were to give me an interpretation I would mock you. I'm not sure where in my post that came across, but it wasn't what I meant.

Sometimes the subtleties of fun, mischief, irony and wit get lost in translation on this forum. Try not to take it all so personally. It wasn't what was typed in.

I do stand by my original thought - and I rely on Jon himself to support me in this - that there is often no real meaning to his lyrics. They really do - often- mean what the listener decides they mean. He said this in a TV interview from the early 70s that was repeated only last week on a BBC documentary.

I've always looked at the lyrics as collections of words that sound good together regardless of whether there is a real sense of what they mean on every occasion. This has always been the one major thing that separates lovers of Yes from haters of Yes - the so-called meaningless lyrics. I am in the former category, not the latter, and for me, part of the fun of Yes are Jon's words. Sometimes they're not to be taken so seriously. Neither is every post you read on here.

I made a bold assumption??
I was basing my comment on experience.
And I believe it was based on accurate memory recall of past interactions, though there are various other "Rick'n's" around here, like Rikensquire and others. Too many "Rick's".... how can one keep all of these "pretenders" to the great name straight?

But who's taking things too personally here? You might want to re-read what you just wrote.

Nothing "overshot" me, but unfortunately the tone of your reply gives weight to my bold assumption.

I think you might need to take a closer look at your own links to the self instructors sharp and tender love, you know what I mean? Just take a look somewhere between the silence and sold sources, down the calming stream, round by the corner. Your eyes just might be convinced by a younger moon attained with love...... it's far better than the all too typical guessing of problems only to deceive the mention! (That'll just take you halfway into the void...)

[90125yes]

we don't always need to know the meaning of the lyrics

just enjoy the music

[Rick N Backer]

I made a bold assumption??
I was basing my comment on experience.
And I believe it was based on accurate memory recall of past interactions, though there are various other "Rick'n's" around here, like Rikensquire and others. Too many "Rick's".... how can one keep all of these "pretenders" to the great name straight?

But who's taking things too personally here? You might want to re-read what you just wrote.

Nothing "overshot" me, but unfortunately the tone of your reply gives weight to my bold assumption.

I think you might need to take a closer look at your own links to the self instructors sharp and tender love, you know what I mean? Just take a look somewhere between the silence and sold sources, down the calming stream, round by the corner. Your eyes just might be convinced by a younger moon attained with love...... it's far better than the all too typical guessing of problems only to deceive the mention! (That'll just take you halfway into the void...)

I don't honestly know why I bother. A perfectly innocent post, no malicious intent, but you've managed to find some hidden meaning and assume that I (or not even me, someone else with a similar name even!) is going to attack you in some way. No mention anywhere of mocking, no intention anywhere of mocking, but now you respond with some comment that I need to look more closely at myself.

How on earth did you get all this from what was an ironic comment about some Yes lyrics? I don't want the answer, it was a rhetorical question.

If you misinterpret things here so wrongly, that's an issue you need to look at , not me I'm afraid. And further, if in the past people have given you a hard time here for comments made, whilst I'm sorry to hear that, maybe your complete and utter misinterpretation of my own post goes some way to explain it.

I do look at my posts carefully before hitting the send button. Sometimes my English sense of humour does go over some people's heads, especially on the other side of the ocean, but please don't take that as a personal attack!

Common sense be with you!

[RickyG]

I don't honestly know why I bother. A perfectly innocent post, no malicious intent, but you've managed to find some hidden meaning and assume that I (or not even me, someone else with a similar name even!) is going to attack you in some way. No mention anywhere of mocking, no intention anywhere of mocking, but now you respond with some comment that I need to look more closely at myself.

How on earth did you get all this from what was an ironic comment about some Yes lyrics? I don't want the answer, it was a rhetorical question.

If you misinterpret things here so wrongly, that's an issue you need to look at , not me I'm afraid. And further, if in the past people have given you a hard time here for comments made, whilst I'm sorry to hear that, maybe your complete and utter misinterpretation of my own post goes some way to explain it.

I do look at my posts carefully before hitting the send button. Sometimes my English sense of humour does go over some people's heads, especially on the other side of the ocean, but please don't take that as a personal attack!

Common sense be with you!

:Wow: ...shakes head in utter disbelief.... :jaw1: thinks "my God man, what is with this guy and where do these people come from?".... :dunno: :thinking: ....scratches head, leaves room, turns off light, closes door..... :shrug:

[rmig68]

Just to throw this out there. Rick N Backer and RickyG. You guys are just slightly missing each other. Rick N Backer; I too thought you were being somewhat literal when you asked about interpreting Jon's lyrics from TFTO. Sometimes, something that is assumed by the writer to be kinda rhetorical, comes off as literal. No biggie. I think RickG's response was to say that he believes he may know, but because we all interpret things differentl, that you'd laugh at his answer (mock) I don't think he was suggesting that his answer was above your thinking, I'm assuming (yeah we all know about assuming)that he meant that you (or anybody's) view might be completely different.

These interpretations of each post (forget about far out Jonny Anderson)has lead to your tensions.

This happens to all of us here at some point and respect and conversation in future posts sometimes calms the waters nicely.

Then again, I could be wrong.

[RickyG]

Just to throw this out there. Rick N Backer and RickyG. You guys are just slightly missing each other. Rick N Backer; I too thought you were being somewhat literal when you asked about interpreting Jon's lyrics from TFTO. Sometimes, something that is assumed by the writer to be kinda rhetorical, comes off as literal. No biggie. I think RickG's response was to say that he believes he may know, but because we all interpret things differentl, that you'd laugh at his answer (mock) I don't think he was suggesting that his answer was above your thinking, I'm assuming (yeah we all know about assuming)that he meant that you (or anybody's) view might be completely different.

These interpretations of each post (forget about far out Jonny Anderson)has lead to your tensions.

This happens to all of us here at some point and respect and conversation in future posts sometimes calms the waters nicely.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Hey rmig68 (I seem to have forgotten your name again, sorry), thank you for this very reasonable, accurate and perceptive bit of diplomacy.
(Though it really didn't matter to me whether or not R N'B was asking for an interpretation of those lyrics, actually I didn't really think he was, but it was put out there and I was merely responding to the idea that it has no meaning, because to me it definitely does.)


and PS to Rick N Backer, this following bit from a previous post was decidedly not meant to be taken seriously:

"I think you might need to take a closer look at your own links to the self instructors sharp and tender love, you know what I mean? Just take a look somewhere between the silence and sold sources, down the calming stream, round by the corner. Your eyes just might be convinced by a younger moon attained with love...... it's far better than the all too typical guessing of problems only to deceive the mention! (That'll just take you halfway into the void...)"

....but then maybe it did have meaning for you!

[blitzjg]

Thank god someone cleared that up. This thread is amazing, more void please.

[Rick N Backer]

:Wow: ...shakes head in utter disbelief.... :jaw1: thinks "my God man, what is with this guy and where do these people come from?".... :dunno: :thinking: ....scratches head, leaves room, turns off light, closes door..... :shrug:

I couldn't help noticing that you left the room, then turned off the light. Over here in England, the only rooms you turn the light off after leaving are bathrooms and that's because the switches are on the outside. This is for safety reasons. Apparently electricity and water don't mix. Do you have similar rules over there? Were you posting from the bathroom? Or did you forget to switch off the light after the head shaking episode? I could understand that.

You shook your head in 'utter disbelief.' I'm wondering, on the scale of disbelief, what comes after 'utter.' Is it 'total' or 'absolute?' because when that plane landed in the Hudson last week, I shook my own head in a similar utterly disbelieving manner. However, that was a truly momentous event, whereas my little internet post was an insignificant one (in the scheme of things), yet you found 'utter disbelief' from it. Wow. What did you think of the plane crash then and what words of disbelief were left for you to express that I wonder? The thesaurus must have been on overdrive.

As for 'where do these people come from' I'm from England. Goodness knows I've carped on about it often enough here. If that was your point, then I've updated my profile to assist in the future. If it was a more general thought about creation, I can't help you. There are several opposing views. If it relates to something more scientific, such as reproduction, then I would point you to Wikipedia. There are lots of entries on there. I'm sure if you Googled 'where to people come from?' you'll get some hits. Alternatively, I have a book that I bought for my daughter called 'Where do Babies Come From?' and that may help. I'm not sure of the relevance of any of this though.

So much from one line. 4.02 posts per day. Are they all this good? Sadly, my own average is much lower, although I seem to have been here longer than you. This is much easier to explain. I have a day job. It involves me going out to work and making a living, and occasionally, in between other things I have to do, such as 4 hours travel to and from work each day, I can make the odd appearance on the internet (or t'interweb as we call it over here). I could never hope to match an average of 4.02 posts per day. There simply aren't enough hours. What's your own secret to this amazing success?

(shakes head in mildly sarcastic manner, puts kettle on, make a cup of tea, rolls eyes in dismissive way then gets on with life).

Goodnight and God Bless you all.

xx

Kind regards and moist thoughts,
R 'n' B